NHL Rumor Mill – January 11, 2017

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Could the Tampa Bay Lightning shop Jonathan Drouin for a top-four defenseman?

Reviewing ESPN.com’s trade season preview in your NHL rumor mill. 

ESPN.COM: Craig Custance recently previewed the NHL trade season for the Eastern and Western Conferences. First, here’s the Eastern Conference highlights (order is based on the standings as of Jan. 5, 2017)

Promising Columbus Blue Jackets goalie Anton Forsberg could be targeted by clubs seeking a good young netminder. 

SPECTOR’S NOTE: With Curtis McElhinney claimed off waivers yesterday by the Leafs, Forsberg’s not going anywhere. 

The Pittsburgh Penguins ability to trade goalie Marc-Andre Fleury depends upon Matt Murray’s health. 

SPECTOR’S NOTE: Since Murray was sidelined, Fleury’s played very well. That could boost his trade value after Murray returns. 

The New York Rangers could use another defenseman. If they’re to pursue St. Louis Blues rearguard Kevin Shattenkirk via free agency this summer, they could be reluctant to move assets to chase a blueliner now. 

The Montreal Canadiens could use a left-handed defenseman and another center. 

The Washington Capitals could use another top-four defenseman.

The Philadelphia Flyers could use another winger. Rival clubs could keep an eye on Flyers’ goalies Steve Mason and Michal Neuvirth. 

Ottawa Senators GM Pierre Dorion is in search of a forward. The Sens are a budget team and short on draft picks. 

The Boston Bruins could use a top-four defenseman. If that’s not possible, they could seek a scoring winger.

Toronto Maple Leafs left wing James van Riemsdyk could be attractive to contending teams. The Leafs are in need of a veteran defenseman.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: With the Leafs in playoff contention, I doubt they’ll move van Riemsdyk before the trade deadline. I can see them shopping him this summer for a top-four blueliner. 

The Tampa Bay Lightning need a right-handed offensive defenseman. They have depth in forwards to pull this off. Custance wonders if Jonathan Drouin could become trade bait. 

SPECTOR’S NOTE: Only a year ago, Drouin caused a scene by refusing to play for the Lightning’s farm team. He eventually relented and went on to become a reliable part of the Lightning roster.  Still, he could be a tempting trade chip,  but are the Lightning willing to part with him? Tough call for Bolts management. 

The Florida Panthers could use additional scoring.

The Carolina Hurricanes have the depth in salary-cap space, draft picks and defensemen to land a good young center. Problem is, there aren’t many available right now. 

SPECTOR’S NOTE: Colorado’s Matt Duchene could be ideal, but the asking price could be Justin Faulk, Noah Hanifin or Jaccob Slavin. 

The New Jersey Devils could shop pending UFAs P.A. Parenteau and Kyle Quincey by the trade deadline. 

The Detroit Red Wings could be sellers, shopping pending UFA such as Thomas Vanek, Steve Ott, Drew Miller and Brendan Smith. They need help on defense. 

Custance believes the New York Islanders should aggressively shop for a cornerstone piece to ensure captain John Tavares’ future with the club. 

SPECTOR’S NOTE: Unless GM Garth Snow is willing to offer up Travis Hamonic to Colorado for Gabriel Landeskog or Matt Duchene right now, he’ll have to wait until this summer to find that cornerstone player.  

The Buffalo Sabres could try to pick up assets by moving out expiring contracts, such as defenseman Dmitry Kulikov. 

And now, the Western Conference:

The Chicago Blackhawks could use a depth forward. They’ve been linked to Colorado’s Jarome Iginla but salary-cap space is tight.

The Minnesota Wild could also shop for depth at forward, perhaps a good young center if there’s one available.

Given the San Jose Sharks’ depth, there’s little reason for them to make any moves right now. 

The Anaheim Ducks are loaded on defense and in need of a scoring winger. 

SPECTOR’S NOTE: Cam Fowler will remain the defenseman most likely to be traded by the Ducks. Then again, they could pull a swerve and deal away Hampus Lindholm or Sami Vatanen. Only GM Bob Murray knows for sure and he could wait until the summer to make that move. 

The Edmonton Oilers have cap space and draft picks to make moves if they wish. They could add rentals at the deadline (trade speculation links them to Iginla). If there’s a hockey trade to be made, Custance suggests they could try to trade center Ryan Nugent-Hopkins for a defenseman.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: Actually, I think Jordan Eberle could be a more likely trade candidate to be dealt for a defenseman. He’s dropped to the third line, while Nugent-Hopkins has settled in well as their second-line center. 

UFA defenseman Kevin Shattenkirk has an uncertain future with the St. Louis Blues. They need a center and Arizona’s Martin Hanzal could be a good fit. 

SPECTOR’S NOTE: As long as the oft-injured Hanzal stays healthy, he could be a good fit for the Blues. 

The Calgary Flames could use a veteran winger.

In order to preserve their draft picks, the Los Angeles Kings could have a quiet trade deadline.

If sidelined defenseman P.K. Subban returns soon from injury, the Nashville Predators could focus on adding secondary scoring. If Subban’s out long term, they could shift to bolstering the defense. 

Vancouver Canucks winger Alex Burrows should fetch a third-round pick. The $6 million salary of goaltender Ryan Miller could be difficult to move.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: Canucks GM Jim Benning’s policy is not to ask players carrying no-movement/no-trade clauses to waive them. If Burrows or Miller get dealt, it’ll have to be because they asked to be traded. 

Perhaps the Winnipeg Jets will add a veteran goalie to take some pressure off Connor Hellebuyck. 

Goaltending is an area to watch for the Dallas Stars.

The Arizona Coyotes are expected to be sellers, with pending UFAs Martin Hanzal and Michael Stone the most notable to be moved. 

The Colorado Avalanche are open for business, fielding interest in forwards Matt Duchene and Gabriel Landeskog. Pending UFA Jarome Iginla is also expected to be moved, though he calls the shots with his no-movement clause. 







102 Comments

  1. Not Drouin. Affordable insurance for Stamkos.
    Johnson as proven, Point, Peca, Namenestikov & throwins & salary dump (Filpula) with four Canadian Juniors of note coming soon more likely to go for equally promising but unproven D. With he Stamkos & other injuries, play acquired youngsters for half a year and see how it works out. The Lightning want to make the playoffs, but the pressure is far less than the markets they’d be trading with — a year off wouldn’t hurt much as the Bolts base has bought into the Yzerplan.

    • Oh, they also have rights to Gusev, a scorer in the KHL

      • Since it’s a boring day st work here is some 2nd pairing D and what they were traded for
        Petry- 2nd and a 4th

        Stralman 3rd round pick

        Goligoski 5th round

        Gudbranson for a prospect 2nd and a fourth
        Jets got a handfull of later picks for Oduya…like the article Ray posted says 2nd pairing D that teams are likely to lose anyway as UFA or expansion. Casualties don’t cost players like JVR.

      • Lol stralman,petry gologoski all upcoming ufas great example!! Gudbranson was a terrible move by the panthers going with analytics instead of actual play

      • Yep UFAs a team was likely to lose for nothing kinda like the way some teams will be losing D men to an expansion draft for nothing…So if you are a team like the Panthers Wild Ducks Caps or a few more who have too many D to protect or have space to save a forward and can spare a D what do you think do you trade them or just let Las Vegas take a player for nothing? It’s the exact same thing.
        Sometimes bbb you try so hard to argue you look like an idiot denying the obvious
        The Leafs won’t be looking for a number 1 D they will move JVR for a decent 2nd pairing guy doesn’t need to be a big flashy trade.

      • Lol throwing those names out there is just stupid makes no sense what so ever of what jvr value is? Another dumb comment from you……….go figure

      • I’m sure the leafs are looking to trade jvr for a rental?? Lmfao typical comment from you

  2. By waiting for the summer to deal Van Riemsdyk for a Top 4 D the Leafs could find the pickings slim as, right above, there are 7 other teams supposedly in the hunt for that elusive position – NYR, Montreal, Washington, Boston, TB, Detroit and Edmonton.

    Since Van Riemsdyk will be looking for a healthy increase in 2018 from his current $4,250,000, anyone willing to part with a Top 4 D for offense could also be hampered by fiscal restraints and so maybe the best deals will involve high-end – and for the time being cheaper – scoring.

    • On the other hand his remaining season at very affordable 4.25 allows a team that could be closer to the cap for 17/18 and more space opening up the following year an opportunity to pick up a proven top line winger and have lots of time to work out an extension that works for both parties.
      Also not sure that your example isn’t in itself a little confusing of that list of teams that you have there looking for that same type D which one is able to give up cheaper scoring to acquire this D if cheap scoring is going to be so important do you not think that list of teams that are all currently very close to the cap going to give up what is likely keeping them under it for something that will put them in all likelyjood over it? No
      If the Oilers were looking to make such a move it’s likely Eberle they are looking to move who is no cheaper than JVR and has term to boot,

      • Depends on what goes the other way I guess.

    • George, JVR is currently a top ten producing LW in the NHL and is signed to a team-friendly $4.25 cap hit for this season and next.

      Teams can look for better options all they want, but the reality is that in a league where offense is increasingly hard to come by, production like that is rare.

      • So why are we even discussing his trade by the Leafs if he’s all that?

      • It’s not a question of whether he is all that, George – those are facts I laid out, you can check for yourself.

        The Leafs have a glaring weakness in the D core, particularly the right side they need to address and a surplus of scoring currently, with more coming.

        JVR is the player of the highest value who at 27 is at the high end or just outside the age bracket of the core group:

        Matthews and Marner (19), Nylander and eventually Kapanen (20), Rielly (22), Zaitsev (25), Kadri and Gardiner (26).

      • Teams are not going to give up a top 4 dman for a player with 1 year remaining on his contract. If your making that deal then you better know you can resign him. Having a year to try in convince him, isn’t a certainty top 4 dman is to much of a gamble imo.

      • I don’t think it has as much to do with age as trying to work out contracts for 11 players between 2018/19 including Mathews Marner Nylander JVR Gardiner Bozak Komarov…never going to be able to keep them all with their raises so it’s time to cut bait may as well move things with value to address other areas. Sacrifice some of that offence for D. That simple really nvm age of the core and all the rest of the fancy stuff. He is their best available trade chip to acquire what they lack the others will be cheaper in doing the same thing he does now maybe not quite as well but, they could very well decide to move a guy like Nylander instead but he will likely cost another team just as much if not more due to his contract status (don’t have to protect him in expansion and he is a little more cost controlled RFA) JVR is likely a goner just a matter of timing really.

      • Caper if your likely to lose a D in expansion for nothing you may not feel the same, yes others will be available no one here is saying JVR is the best and only winger out there. And as far as the age of the core mumbojumbo I’m sure if JVR would sign an extension like the contract he is in now there would be little thought of keeping him despite his age. Good room guy for the younger players by all accounts works hard does what’s asked etc.

      • Every gm knows the leafs won’t be able to resign him and only one year left on the contract doesn’t help either, don’t see a top 4 coming back

      • Ya bbb Leafs are likely going to have to either trade him for a 6th round pick or let him walk as a UFA no one will want him even if it means they have to lose a d to expansion for nothing and wait till they have to sign JVR for 6 million bucks they definitely won’t want him before then while he is cheaper every GM in the league is so much smarter than the Leafs you’re right argument over. Que the trash talk….and go.

      • I don’t see a top 4 D coming back either… at least not the type the Leafs are seeking.

        Unless of course Toronto is willing to package JVR with some other assets as well.

        He may be a top producer this season but look at his track record…. this is a player who has injury history, which should be concerning. Also, the player has finished with above 50 it’s twice. Otherwise, he has very average seasons but you can chalk that up to injuries and playing 1/2 a season. But as I mentioned injuries would concern me if I’m going to trade for him.

        Toronto is position to move JVR because his value is high… Leafs fans just shouldn’t get their hopes up that this top 4 dman savior is coming through the door for JVR.

        Just my opinion… I’m also not a Leafs fan.

      • What is the injury history exactly? He has had 1 real injury since being a Leaf playing nearly 4 full seasons and a broken bone from a Phaneuf shot he played 210 of 212 games got injured 1 time and has played every game since coming back. If 1 injury in 5 seasons = history of injury then just about every player in the league has a history of injury. I think people went out of their minds with the Hall for Larsson deal and its clouding their judgement of second pairing D.

      • Actually JvR missed 39 games 2011-12 4 years ago but I agree with you. the seasons prior to last year he played 82, 80 & 48; the full lock out season. Yes he may only have 2 50 point seasons but in the 2 years injured in the last 4 & the lock out season only injures & games played are the reason he didn’t break that threshold.

        This is a top 10 LW today & should be a solid top 15 for another 5 years. He has value & should easily return a top 4. Not a #1 or 2. Go look at teams #4’s. Anaheim Bieksa or Manson, Arz Murphy or Stone; UFA, Bos McQuad or K. Miller, Buffalo, McCabe or Kulikov; UFA, etc.

        I would think JvR with limited other compensation will easily return a #4 & should get you a decent young up & coming Dman that might have #3 or better potential with nominal other assets included. Example. Orlov? Oshie & Williams are both UFA’s as is Alzner. Kuznetsov, Burakowski & Orlov are all RFA’s Where is Washington getting the cap space to solve all those contract issues?

        JvR + for Orlov & ?

      • As I expressed in the summer before Orlov finally signed a 1 year deal I would have signed Orlov to an offer sheet at or around 5 mil per for 5 years. Compensation required should Washington have choosen to match, a 1st & 3rd.

        Orlov is right on the cusp of becoming a #2 Dman & in 2 more years may have #1 potential just not in Washington. Stuck behind Carlsson; a UFA the year after next, Niskanen his current partner on the 2nd pairing & 2nd PP unit.

      • Sorry. not to match

      • @chad you’re right it won’t be a top 4 the leafs are looking for, could be more off an older top 4 and yes topping 50 points twice isn’t anything to write home about

      • Who do you think they could trade JVR to for a top 4 D? I could see Anaheim or NYI maybe? I think JVR would be a dream come true for Tavares and the Ducks could use the scoring and could likely take the hit defensively better than the Islanders – assuming Hamonic goes the other way. I imagine Lou is staying put unless it’s a guy like Hamonic, Lindholm, Fowler, or Vatanen.

      • With Striker and Schticky. JVR should easily net a top 4.
        The Larson deal has skewed opinion if not the market, but he has a good contract and potential to grow into a 2 even though he is not today IMO.
        For what it is worth more than 2/3 of current #4 D-men were not drafted by there current teams.
        Half of 2-3 D men were acquired via trade of free agency. I am sure not every 3 -4 D men took a player of JVR’s quality to get. I would guess that most were acquired for less.
        The ones that are extremely difficult to find and costly are the #1 guys.
        Here is a link if you want the details.

        http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/top-four-nhl-defencemen-easier-acquire-think/

      • 485 games 310 points is around .6 points a game which is over 50 points a year avg. he is only just turned 27 no one is saying he is the greatest to ever play but that’s a pretty good left winger. No the Lockout season he did not manage to get 5o points in 48 games and yes last season he was injured and only played in 40 games or so and nearly put up 30 he has 33 this year so far on pace for around 65, so likely to be well over 50 again if he doesn’t get injured which is a possibility for anyone… to say well he only has 2 50 point seasons kinda ignores a lot of everything else but, ya he is a Leaf so.

      • Great post Ray but let’s not bring logic into these conversations ?

      • He also has more talent around him this year. It is not like the Leafs were offensive juggernauts the past few years.
        This is simply about finding financial room for the top guys up front and finding a high end D-man. My guess is MGT has not closed any doors or options as they have many. All depends what they get back for what they give up.
        Only exception would be Mathews as guys like him are very hard to find.
        If you get the D you need trading a Nylander then you keep JVR.

      • Looking at some underlying numbers ElDuderino I would think it’s a pretty good deal if it was Manson off the Ducks (who imo would likely be the one exposed) or one of the younger guys more than Fowler or Lindholm (lefties) and I’m not sure Vatanen is exactly what the Dr ordered on the right side of Rielly or Gardiner. I’m torn on Hamonic but I don’t think that there is any real worry about the Isles making a move like that. Brodin off the Wild perhaps maybe Petrovic?

  3. Would love to see the Islanders
    – Send Boychuk to the Leafs to bring Kadri back so they have a solid presence on the 2nd line,
    – Send Lee and Ho-Sang to the Ducks for Fowler
    – Send Strome and a 1st round pick to the Oil for Eberle
    – Then do whatever it takes to get Landeskog, maybe Leddy, Barzal a D prospect and two 2nd rounders.

    • Kadri is on pace for a career-best 30+ goals under Babcock – currently 8th in goals among C in the NHL.

      Not only that, he has been playing until recently a shutdown role against opposing teams’ top lines. He’s simply a way better player than he was before.

      We’re not trading him for a 32 year old Boychuk.

      • Danault patcioretty and radulov lit Kadri up

      • BigBruin, that was a back-to-back against the Habs with a Francophone ref. Our Leafs had a zero percent chance of winning that game.

        Kadri himself got mauled, no penalty call. Hyman gets shoved into Price on a dirty play by Emelin and then pounded by Weber – Leaf gets a penalty. On RDS Radio after, even they admitted that wasn’t a penalty. It went on and on like that.

        Anyway, one game – I don’t think a realistically winnable one – doesn’t define a player’s season. Facts are facts. Kadri is having his best year ever.

      • Oh geez lol ?

      • Aww man – don’t frag up that hoary old “Francophone ref” crutch. I though that s*^t died with the old hard-core Leafs fans who gut dumped upon every timed they tried to bring it up. It just doesn’t wash.

        Do you SERIOUSLY believe the Leafs go through an 82 game schedule where some of their players get away with missed calls? Give me a break.

      • Amazing ppl still use refs as an excuse

      • Kadri is absolutely in the doghouse this season with the refs. He used to draw among the most penalties in the league per 60 and this year he can’t buy a call.

      • BigBruin, thx for the link. I was using scoutingtherefs.com

      • That happens with most who are knowing for diving, make the refs look bad they will make you look bad

      • Np dan it really shows the which teams get the man advantage over the season

      • I threw up a little in my mouth at Kadri for Boychuck…if we’re trading like that then we probably could have tossed in Komorov in the Holland deal and gotten back OEL.

      • It’s like the ridiculous flames fans in this city…they all believe flames are getting treated differently because of the Wideman hit on Donny Henderson. Silly

    • Not sure about the rest of those moves, but no the Leafs aren’t trading Kadri for Boychuk. I am sure the Oil would be all over the Eberle deal though.
      Off season move as they need to make the playoffs this year.
      Those are quality assets that could be used to get a player that can help them right now.

  4. Justin Faulk – now that is a piece that as a Leafs fan I’d be willing to spend big for.

    Wonder if there is anyway to get that done without including Nylander, who I think is badly under-rated by the media in Toronto.

    0.65 ppg over 60 GP, up there with Draisatl, Ehlers and Pastrnak, and ahead of Fabri, Riehnhart, Bennet, etc.

    Nylander is the key puck distributor on the Leafs #6 ranked PP in the NHL. On the wing now, could eventually transition to his natural C position.

    Hmmm.

    • Not happening.

      • Not happening as in there is no way that the Hurricanes move Faulk or not happening as in we cannot get him without trading Nylander in a package for him?

      • not a chance

      • The Canes won’t move Faulk especially for just a young player like Nylander it would require so much more. Don’t fancy stat me save it I don’t wanna throw stats.back and forth it’s not happening for a guy who may have a bit of a hiccup year for a first year player there would be so many better offers.

      • Jeez Shticky, he was listed above as a piece that could potentially be available. I was merely pointing out that the Leafs would dearly love to have a player like that and asking whether a deal could be done without including Nylander – if that’s not fair game in this forum I don’t know where it is.

      • I didn’t mean it to come off that way dan sorry just I don’t need to see it in any other way than you presented it it doesn’t make sense for the Canes to trade their top D for anything let alone a Nylander or a package involving him. It’s the same as someone else saying wonder if the Leafs would give up Rielly for Sam Bennet? No not even in a package, it’s a top pair D assistant captain plays 25 minutes a night not going to happen pipe dream no matter how you look at it.

  5. What is the rush with JVR they should be looking at moving this time next year…All these needs and no action…LET”S GO !

  6. JT Miller for Vatanen. Kevin Klein goes to Vegas.Rangers sign Shattenkirk for much $

    Part of me prefer Rangers trade Zuc

    • You’re going to have to give up more than JT Miller to get Vatanen, a solid top 3 or 4D with high end offensive skill and a team friendly contract. A 1st round pick or another high end prospect would have to be included.

      • Agreed.

      • I think Kreider would be the player Ducks would want but cannot do that. Miller and Zuc fit West Coast styles.
        Shattenkirk rental could cost less and resign him after the Expansion draft

  7. RNH has settled in well as a 2nd line C? I sure expect more than 8 goals & 20 points in 43 games from my 2nd line C. Ideally his Face off winning % would be at least 50% not 46.8, nor would he have the worst plus minus on the team by a significant margin over the other regulars or even his own regular linemates.

    • Agree on RNH. Extremely overpaid, soft and his contract doesn’t end until 20/21. Yuck!

      Other than being able to get rid of the horrible Bobby Ryan contract, I wouldn’t trade anything from the Sens roster (my favourite team) for that. I wouldn’t be surprised if Edmonton bought that contract out within a couple years while they can at 1/3 the cost.

    • RNH has settled at the 2C because Draisatl has been playing on the wing with McDavid as that has produced the most offense for the top line. He is the best passer on the team and will be the 2C longer term IMO.
      The RNH thing is odd as he was their best 2 way forward when they sucked and it hurt his offensive #’s, or that was the theory.
      This year he isn’t scoring and his 2 way game has taken a step back as well.
      Always a slight build and always will be. But he was a smart 2 way player.
      This guy was the consensus 1st overall pick who was progressing and was a solid player.
      If Eberle and RNH were playing to there “potential” this team would be a force.
      They aren’t and Edmonton is battling for a playoff spot.
      Hate to give up on a guy like RNH, but how long do you wait and what do you get for him?

    • I wonder if he needs a change of scenery, when I was reading above I wonder if there is a deal there with Carolina. I have always been a fan of his and thought he has been underrated but so far this year he is looking overpaid and not as engaged as normal.

      • Ya something is up with him. Maybe he is playing hurt, misses playing with Hall, or does just need a change of scenery.
        You just know he will come back to haunt Edmonton, but it could be best for both parties to move on.
        The coach hasn’t been on him too bad though so maybe he is playing through something.

  8. How about Stone and Duclair for JVR? The Coyotes will have plenty of space to sign him (a proven scorer) long term after next year and the leafs pick up a right handed d-man and a player with a lot of promise

    • Not likely, Toronto has a surplus of wingers and Stone is probably just a rental, not exactly what Toronto needs at the moment.

  9. According ti tue Ottawa Cutizen, Dorion put a waiver claim in for former Sharks winger Matt Nieto, but Nieto was claimed by Colorado.

    It appears Nieto is the type if player Dorion is looking fill in a top 6 roll and add depth.

    • Top 6? The guy has 28 goals in 222 gp! Or was that sarcasm? LOL. If so, good one.

      • Yeah it was george. I pray he is looking for more than that. But….

  10. How can Washington need a top 4 D. They certainly don’t today. They may when Alzner walks as UFA this summer. Orlov is advancing & developing on schedule after having lost a full season to injury. Solid #3 Dman in the making potentially higher. Alzner, Carlsson. Orlov, Niskanen. Orpik, Schmidt. That’s 1 of the top 5 d in the NHL.

    I don’t think Edm needs a top 4 Dman either. Sekera, Klefbom, Larson, Russel, Benning; has played great, Davidsson; just back from injury & Nurse; injured. Montreal, Weber, Markov, Petry, Beaulieu, Emelin. Even Boston, NYR & TB are better served to wait until just before the expansion draft to potentially secure 1 when better options would be available, some following as it causes protection issues for them & Shattenkirk may be had for nothing more than cash. The D they have suffices today. The only team in serious need with expansion looming really from that group is Det.

    • Qualifying defensive contribution for Dman is difficult as overall team defensive play, goalie quality, level of competition faced by line match ups, etc. all factor in in some way. Very blurry.

      By shot suppression per game Bos sits 2nd, Was 5th, NYR 9th, Edm 13th, Mtl 15th & TB 8th. By least goals allowed per game Was sits 1st, Mtl 5th, Bos 7th, NYR 9th, Edm 16th & TB 25th. PK. Bos 2nd, Was 3rd, NYR 10th, Edm, MTL, & TB’s PK’s are terrible.

      Make of it what you will. Numerous other factors as well, games played, home & away, odd schedule variances, injuries, etc. I just don’t see many of those teams making a move at D in season. Simply to expensive & that significant change now may have a very negative effect.

      I’m with Ron MacLean. Boston bringing in Jagr moving Seguin off the Begeron, Marchand line in favor of Jagr may have cost Boston it’s 2nd cup. Better not to mess to significantly with what’s working. Some depth guys sure if the cost isn’t to extreme.

      • Agree on Boston Striker. Team defense has not been their problem. Not sure why you would spend assets on a short term fill in there.
        They need to let the young D play next year. Carlo and C Miller have to get good minutes if they are going to continue to progress. MacAvoy has a real shot to make the team, but will likely start in Providence if he decides to leave school.
        He will need minutes too as he will get to the big club eventually next year.
        Playing the young guys will cost points, but it is the only way they improve and is the right thing to do long term. Why trade assets that get in the way of the young ones you already have.

  11. Carolina is deep down the middle and have good centers playing wing now so the Duchene rumors just don’t make sense to me. They also have Roy in the pipeline.

    I keep thinking Carolina could use a 20 goal forward with some grit but the young skilled players are holding up to the physical play pretty well.

    Drafting Bean with the defensive depth they already have is an indication that Francis understands the supply and demand part of Hockey and is thinking long term. The Canes wont make any major moves during the season unless it fits the Ron Francis long term master plan.

  12. In a perfect world Toronto would find away to retain JvR but with all the kids looking at significant contracts down the road, the pipeline still having solid young forwards coming & the need for a solid top 4 2 way Dman something has to give. JvR & Bozak are the obvious players moved to try & address such but there is no rush. Both have another season remaining on their contracts & they don’t effect Toronto’s protected list come expansion. Toronto has room to protect them comfortably.

    JvR should easily return a top 4 Dman. Not a #1, 2 or solid #3 but a decent #3 or a younger Dman close to being such. Sure other minor asstes may move but JvR has a ton left in the tank & his contract in the short term has appeal. Yes concerns exist at future cost but JvR has earned a solid long term contract from someone. Should easily get 6 mil per for 6 or 7 years from a multitude of teams when the time comes.

    • That’s kinda what I think some are missing…do they really think as a UFA someone is not going to give him his money? Yes he had only 1 year left but if you are getting him for a player you can’t protect anyway then really he is costing you nothing and you are getting a year of service at roughly 20% less than what you will resign him for anyway. No one is saying it’s a top D he is returning, but people saying injury prone and well he will need a contract and on and on it’s not any different than any other player in the league. They all need contracts and remarkably they get them maybe someone will be interested in JVRS while his is still cheap since your going to likely going to lose a player anyway.

      • I agree. I would prefer JvR to Landeskog. JvR will get nominally more than Landeskog on his next contract but you get the benefit of JvR’s contract today & next season if you were to buy him now.

        I’m with Lyle. It’s not that these trades don’t happen mid season they are just very rare. It makes more sense for most teams to address these types of trades in the off season.

        If Toronto wasn’t looking like a playoff team Boston & Toronto might have a fit. Not in the short term for Toronto but with all the good D prospects Boston has it fits Toronto’s rebuild timeline. Toronto addresses the short term need at D in the off season via the UFA market.

        Even though Toronto is playing great I say stay the course. Ship out the Polack & Hunwick for picks & or prospects, maybe even the Bozak or JvR depending upon where Toronto is at as we approach the trade deadline on March 1st if the right trade is available.

        There is a significant possibility Toronto experiences some regression next season. Some 2nd year players are susceptible to sophomore slumps. With so many kids playing assuming at least 1 doesn’t regress is unlikely & if veterans like JvR or Bozak are moved out to allow for more youth this summer that may hurt Toronto’s ability to win games but still serve them better long term. We are in year 2 or 3 of Toronto’s rebuild depending upon how you wish to look at it. Do you want them to cut the plan short now?

      • Sorry again Shticky. I tried to keep it shorter. Struggling to get my view or opinion across in less words.

      • IMO you would be nuts to prefer jvr over Landy? Landy brings so much more on ice than jvr that’s an odd comment

      • The only people saying JVR doesn’t have significant trade value are the trolls like BigBruin who would find something negative to say about Matthews (or any Leaf) who is exceeding lofty expectations.

        Actually, almost forgot, BigBruin did already find a problem with Matthews – he’s weak defensively. So there you go. The trolls will be trolls.

      • Landeskog brings so much more what? It’s not offense, BigBruin.

        You know in the era of stats, where you measure things that are quantifiable, things that actually exist, people can speak to contributions players actually make instead of talking out of their ass like you do.

      • Jvr has had 2 50 point seasons dan and that’s all he brings! Landy brings so much on the ice the jvr ever will. All you do is troll how good the leafs are based on half a season? Besides the contract there is a reason why Landy is getting WAY more attention than jvr. Look at all your comments today talking about leaf players if they are as good as you say WHY in the heck are they battling for a playoff spot? Lmfao wake up

      • Aside from being 3 yrs younger than JVR and carrying 4 extra yrs on his contract at 5.71 mill. Landeskog doesn`t beat out JVR out in any area, Offence or defensively. If you`re a fan of analytics JVR blows the doors off of Landeskog. Why do you make these stupid comments. Can`t you once have an intelligent conversation with anyone. Have you ever flunked an I.Q. test bigbear.

  13. I’m surprised this hasn’t surfaced up a bit more in rumour mills but there were fairly credible rumblings that the reason Bobby Ryan got scratched the other night is that he was asked to move his NTC to go to a team that was not on his list of possible destinations and he did not take it too well… it would fit in well with why both player and management seem to side step the issue after.
    Should we be surprised to see management try and move Bobby Ryan? No.
    Should we be surprised to see Bobby Ryan not want to move to a team that’s not on his list and get upset about it? No.

    I’m a little surprised that a team would show interest in Bobby but hey, the history is all there and if teams have taken the bait on Danny heatley twice than why not Ryan.

    Just a little food for thought on where that could be.
    Is snow getting desperate for a winger Tavares could feed?

  14. Could the Canes and Rangers deal?

  15. People forget JVR was a #2 pick. If a team needs a scoring winger and the Leafs need a top four dman then the value is about equal. There might be some minor pieces or a salary dump thrown in. Right now the Wild (Dumba or Brodin), Jets (Trouba), Ducks (Fowler or Linholm), Flyers (Proporov), Hurricanes (Hannifin), Coyotes (Stone) and Flames (Hamilton) are some of the teams that can afford to move a young Dman for JVR. There are others out there. Depending which one the Leafs get will depend what gets added to the deal. They should not go after anyone older than 25. It will be interesting when he gets dealt because the big picture is more important than the playoffs. Personally I like Brodin or Proporov but who know what Lou can do? Never thought they could move Enroth and that just happened.

    • Yakupov was a number one pick

      • Lol now JVR is a Yakupovian bust. Didn’t take you long to prove the point I made a minute ago about you being an unhinged troll…

      • Just saying where the pick was taking doesn’t mean anything

      • Correct…..one worked out and so far the other has not!

  16. For reference, even though its a leaf website

  17. JVR is considered a first line winger. He may not be a superstar but the draft position and how he turned out is relevant. The point is if your team needs a scoring winger and you have a top four dman it is a pretty good deal. This isn’t a twenty-five goal scorer for Duncan Keith but an established winger for a good defense man with an upside.

    • Jaime benn was a fifth Rd pick gms aren’t calling up saying well he was a fifth Rd pick so he isn’t worth as much as he on ice play might say??

      • Well, everyone is entitled to there educated biased or unbiased opinion! Time will tell and our NHL Gm’s will give us our answer on whether Jvr is worth it or not as bbb has hinted he isn’t.

      • No he should probably just retire because no one will want him now that he’s been a Leaf. All GMs are smarter than taking a player like that. Lou will by lucky to get someone’s 7th D for JVR.

      • I agree fd to each his own as far as opinions go too many leaf fans on here think their opinion is the only ones that matter when they are wrong the majority of the time, you know who you are! Lol

      • It’s great to have an opinion and all bbb but there opinion and then there’s reality, how come in your opinion it’s only Leaf fans that have this issue? Ray Striker TSN Sportsnet Lyle fans from other teams and media all kinda agree that it’s likely (not for sure but likely) that JVR is likely moved for a top 4 D so if all these different outlets all say close to the same opinion what makes you think yours is right? and why don’t you include all these other outlets as overvaluing a player? because it obviously more than just Leaf fans. What exactly have you ever been so right about to be pointing out how wrong everyone else is? lol
        You go on about opinions so tell us in your opinion what happens to JVR give us some names wise one who does JVR go for?

      • Chad caper both don’t think he’s a worth a top 4?

  18. Again you look so hard for an arguement that you make yourself look stupid when it comes to reality. Your opinion could be the sun is green or blue it doesn’t mean it’s valid. Lots seem to think top 4 seems about right if you don’t that’s fine but I’m not sure how you seem to be calling out ESPN Sportsnet TSN Lyle and others in the media as crazy Leaf fans and overvaluing their players. Sure it’s your opinion but if your opinion is that far off a lot of other competent hockey people pretty sure it may make some question your opinion.
    If he is not worth a top 4 D who is JVR worth?

    • Still waiting in your opinion If JVR worth if not a top 4 D and its so overvalued and you’re always so right enlighten us you’ve been arguing it all day you must have some idea or are you just arguing for no reason?

    • Chad caper both don’t agree with you are they trolls shticky?

    • 1 bad trade means everyone is going to make one? What does Larsson and Hall have to do with anything you realize both were under completely different circumstances right? Or this part in the article that says “Each team has a different circumstance,” said an assistant GM who wished to remain anonymous.
      So I’ll ask again if JVR isn’t worth a top 4, and Larsson who is currently barely playing 20 mins a night in Edmonton and is on the third pairing is worth Hall are you saying no D men will ever be moved for a forward?
      Come on big bear I’m not using stats tell us in your opinion what’s JVR worth? You’re not answering anything by saying Hall for Larsson. What are you saying JVR won’t get a bottom pairing guy now? That seems to be what that article is saying. lol if the Leafs move JVR they are likely looking at a second paring D is my opinion what’s yours? 3rd pairing ? A late draft pick? Some guy in the AHL? Tell us genius, don’t talk around the question, little doubt JVR eventually gets moved let’s see who’s closer. Everyone is always wrong and you’re always right so let’s see. What is it?

      • Again you didn’t read the article yes its sports net saying jvr won’t get as good of a return as larsson lol and as you said larsson is playing on the third pairing then what does that mean the leafs are gonna get back? Lol or do you know more than the scout? Lol I think he gets a pick and prospect