NHL Rumor Mill – February 12, 2018

by | Feb 12, 2018 | Rumors | 116 comments

Updates on the Oilers, Senators, Penguins and Islanders in your NHL rumor mill. 

The Boston Bruins reportedly have interest in Edmonton Oilers winger Patrick Maroon (Photo via NHL Images).

OILERS

NBC SPORTS BOSTON: Joe Haggerty reports multiple sources claim the Boston Bruins have interest in Edmonton Oilers winger Patrick Maroon. Oilers VP of hockey operations Craig MacTavish scouted a recent Bruins-Sabres game while Bruins executive director of player personnel John Ferguson Jr. has scouted the last two Oilers games.

Haggerty feels the 6’3″, 227-pound Maroon could provide the Bruins some veteran help and size on the wing while the Oilers are looking to stock up with young players and draft picks. The Bruins are willing to improve their roster but they don’t want to mess too much with their lineup. 

EDMONTON JOURNAL: David Staples notes Sportsnet’s Nick Kypreos suggested the Oilers should look at trading forward Leon Draisaitl if they think they can get a big return. Kypreos’ colleague Elliotte Friedman disagreed, as does Staples, who believes whatever pieces the Oilers got back may or may not turn out, whereas Drasaitl is averaging 0.96 points per game. 

SPECTOR’S NOTE: The Bruins play the Oilers on Feb. 20, which could explain why the two clubs are scouting each other. The Bruins could be interested in Maroon but it’ll depend upon the Oilers’ asking price. Boston management has stated they don’t want to move their good young players or top prospects. 

As for Draisaitl, Kypreos seemed to be simply musing out loud over what moves the Oilers should make to improve going forward. Draisaitl’s not going anywhere unless he wants out of Edmonton and there’s no indication that’s the case. 

SENATORS

OTTAWA SUN: Bruce Garrioch reports Senators GM Pierre Dorion is expected to ramp up efforts to make deals leading up to the Feb.26 NHL trade deadline. It’s believed Dorion won’t be moving Erik Karlsson, Mark Stone and Thomas Chabot. Inquiries about Colin White were rebuffed, center Matt Duchene isn’t going anywhere and it’ll take a significant offer to move Jean-Gabriel Pageau.

There is interest in forwards Mike Hoffman, Zack Smith, Ryan Dzingel and Derick Brassard, but Garrioch would be surprised if Brassard is moved given the difficulty in finding a center. It’s believed the Los Angeles Kings have circled back on their prior interest in Dion Phaneuf. Veteran blueliner Johnny Oduya could help a contender. Garrioch doesn’t feel it’s prudent to move blueliner Cody Ceci right now. 

Garrioch cites league sources saying the Tampa Bay Lightning have called about Karlsson and Ceci, but the Sens can’t decide on the latter until there’s a decision made over Karlsson’s future. St. Louis, New Jersey, Carolina, San Jose and Buffalo are thought to have interest in Hoffman, while Calgary, Vegas and San Jose were linked to Smith. 

SPECTOR’S NOTE: The Lightning may have inquired about Karlsson but GM Steve Yzerman isn’t feeling pressured to make a blockbuster move at the trade deadline. It doesn’t sound like he’s keen to overpay, pointing out such moves do not guarantee a Stanley Cup championship. Indeed, the Bolts are reportedly unwilling to part with youngsters Brayden Point and Mikhail Sergachev, two players some scribes feel must  be included in any offer for Karlsson or New York Rangers blueliner Ryan McDonagh.

If the Senators make a deal or two at the deadline, Hoffman or Smith could be the likely candidates. Both have regularly appeared in the rumor mill in recent weeks. Moving Phaneuf could mean picking up part of his $7-million annual cap hit or taking back a toxic contract. 

PENGUINS AND ISLANDERS

TRIBLIVE.COM: Jonathan Bombulie lists Minnesota’s Matt Cullen, New York Rangers center David Desharnais, Edmonton’s Mark Letestu, Florida’s Jared McCann and Carolina’s Derek Ryan as five potential trade targets for the Pittsburgh Penguins. While Riley Sheahan has performed well of late, Bombulie still feels the Penguins need to bolster their depth at center. 

SPECTOR’S NOTE: The Penguins third- and fourth-line center roles have been the subject of almost constant chatter in the Pittsburgh media. GM Jim Rutherford could look at bringing in one of the players on Bombulie’s list to center the fourth line. 

NEWSDAY: Brian Heyman suggests forward Brock Nelson and goaltender Jaroslav Halak as two players the New York Islanders could move at the trade deadline. While Nelson is playing well of late, Heyman feels he’s not part of their young core and could be a useful trade chip if the Isles wish to improve their goaltending or defense. He thinks the Isles should consider moving Halak in a package deal for his replacement. Given the way Thomas Greiss has played, Heyman thinks they might trade a middling draft pick for a new backup goalie.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: The Isles carry two picks in the first two rounds of this year’s draft. They could dangle one or two of them as trade bait but GM Garth Snow seems reluctant to do that. If so, he’ll have to move a good roster player in order to improve his defense and goaltending. That could make Nelson a worthwhile candidate. Unless they tumble further out of wild-card contention over the next two weeks, I don’t think they’ll move Halak. 

 








116 Comments

  1. Penguins trading for Mark Letestu – not the best idea. Letrstu’s goal stats the past two seasons: 2017 – 16 goals (11 of them were power play goals), 2018 – 8 goals (3 of them were power play goals). Letestu doesn’t score as many goals even strength. When was the last time Letestu scored a goal??? Penguins also don’t normally trade for former Penguins. Better quality centers are likely available.

    • Totally agree. The only guy on that list worth bringing in is Cullen.

      • Cullen gets healthy scratched in Minnesota. He’s not an upgrade.

        If they got Derek Ryan, I’d trust that their pro scouts saw something, but I doubt he solves anything.

        Letestu and Desharnais, hard no. Hang up the phone no.

        The one guy who is mildly intriguing on that list is Jared McCann. Young, big, strong, fast, shoots hard. He has legit talent but he might need a lot of “coaching up” to put any of it together.

        The other thing that is mildly intriguing with him is that he plays for the Panthers, so you might be able to get them to toss in another really good player in exchange for already taking a good player from them.

      • Ryan would be worth it if price is right

      • Is Carolina going to be selling? They are currently sitting in a playoff spot with 2 weeks till the trade deadline. With new ownership might Francis be allowed to spend some money?

        Carolina could afford to move their 1st & 1 of the bounty of Prospects they have. Not enough room at the inn for all these kids coming in the next 3 years.

      • Carolina trading Ryan makes even less sense now that Kruger was sent to the AHL. Strikers right Carolina is not a selling.

        Ryan is like a younger version of Cullen, I could see Rutherford being interested.

    • I never really liked LEtetsu or whatever his name is… Penguins would be better off trading for Trevor Daley if they want to get a player ;). He is on Detroit now I think, so sure they would be ready to ship him out ;). I just don’t really think the Penguins problem is at forward or where they need to upgrade. I’d rather take a run at Mr. ENG Grabner who has like 7 or 8 of them already :).

      • James?

  2. Draisaitl in year 1/8 of his new deal is still producing .96 pts a game , slightly better than last year . Is a positive player on what has been a bad negative team this year . Has split time both on mcdavids Wing and at C with little help on his wings , has struggled with the group on the pp and yet it all adds up to .96 pts / game and a positive player . Faceoff percentage 53%. No gm is making the offer that would be required to pry Leon out of Edmonton .

    Striker , I haven’t seen that slice of humble pie gobbled up yet .

    • I could see the Rangers interested in Leon. But why the Oilers would trade him makes no sense

    • As I told you I won’t get a chance to go back until Wed, when I’m trapped in the airport for hours with nothing to do.

      Don’t worry about Draisaitl he isn’t going any where, Kypreos is a joke.

  3. Unpopular opinion, but where pundits keep trying to move Nash to the Jackets, I think the smarter move would be trading for Brassard, or a similar #2/#3C. Such a move would solidify the Jackets’ center corps with Dubois, Wennberg, Brassard (or similar center) and Sedlak down the middle while allowing Dubi to move to the wing where his style would be more suited to the Jackets’ needs.

    • Why would that opinion be unpopular? It’s correct.

      Jackets have enough power forward type wingers. That’s why they traded Saad.

      What if they had Josh Anderson playing with a top playmaker like Brassard instead of a plugger like Dubinsky?

      I hope they never figure it out and trade a boatload for Nash instead personally, but…you are right.

    • Would you give up the asking price for Brassard with 1 year to UFA status? lebrun has it as a 1st a top prospect & a 3rd piece?

  4. It took a bit for them to fit into the system but Rutherford absolutely nailed the two trades he’s made this year.

    Oleksiak has been solid on his worst nights and an impact player on his best. Much more skill in terms of passing and skating the puck out of trouble than advertised and he’ll drop the gloves and pummel a guy if he needs to do so. An absolute steal for a 4th.

    Sheahan has really played well for the past month. He’s either a top 4th line center when he plays with the grinders or a solid checking and shooting center when paired with a playmaking winger like Guentzel. The Guentzel Sheahan Kessel line has great chemistry. A little bit of everything on that line.

    • Agree. Two solid acquisitions . The Sheahan, Guentzel , Phil line did click well…. so with that in mind and when Hrn returns (Mallon centerimg the Swedish duo); then focus on acquisitions should be speedy winger for ’87 and maybe another depth D for security against injuries. Under no circumstances go after Patches …. cost high when return is a risk. No to Kane …. high reward possibility but also a risk of not doing much. Can we please please pretty please get rid of Hunwick…. he was brutal for my Leafs and now brutal and constraing for my second fav team …, Pens

      • Preaching to the choir. While everyone else was bemoaning Niemi and Reaves, I was asking why we gave a 3 year deal to Hunwick.

        I’d gladly trade him for a 7th to clear his contract and then trade a 3rd or a 4th to get someone better. Would be worth it.

      • Who are you getting that’s better than Hunwick at 2.25?

      • Ian Cole at 2.1, Andrey Oedsn at 750K, Frankie Corrado at 750K are all much better options than Hunwick. Ruhwedal too. Maybe Babcock wants Hunwick back?

    • Should be Malkin and not Mallon. Siri needs a butt kick.

    • & he acquired these 2 players for virtually nothing.

      I like Sheahan. I think he has untapped offensive potential & Pit should get him signed long term 5 years or so at very reasonable money to play as their #3 for years. Sheahan being 6’3″ or taller falls into a different develpment curve for me which is 400 NHL reg season games. He has now played 340.

      • He’s found his new home … and not only 6’3″ … but over 220. Hunwick can only be offloaded in a multi-piece deal or Pen’s must eat 1/2 Sal & Cap (maybe????)

      • Hunwick makes chump change for a Dman playing 18 mins a night playing on the #2 PK. Cole apparently wants 4.5 on a 3 year deal as a UFA. Is he twice the Dman in cap hit that Hunwick is?

        Hunwick was signed to bridge the cap issues Pit faces with their roster. He’s a cheap solution for a guy that ideally plays on a 3rd pairing but can play 2nd pairing if injuries dictate.

        These are the hard choices team like Pit that are pressed right against the cap have to make. Pit has serious cap issues & even with the cap going up a decent amout next season Pit is being forced to make hard decisions.

      • Pengy.

        That is aprt of it for me as well.

        My opinion is that forwards 6’3″ or taller & or 215 lbs + take far longer to develop than normal players, 400 NHL reg season games. Very similiar timeline to Dman. They need to grow into those frames, that bone mass.

        Normal forwards 200 games. Dman 400 games. I call it the 80/20 rule. For 80% of players give or take a few % points year to year. The other 20% swing wildly either just stepping straight in & being great or the opposite end just never make it at all.

        Most here don’t buy it but the #’s hold. There is a trend developing where some players are now taking even longer even though the game is getting younger but sample size is to small to be a trend.

      • Cole is worth the 4.5 AAV (whether the Pens can afford it is a different question).

        Cole is ten times better than Hunwick.

        You win with guys like Cole, he’s a warrior. You fill out the roster of a bottom feeding rebuilding team with guys like Hunwick.

        Cole and Sullivan don’t get along so this won’t happen, but I’d try my best to dump Hunwick and use the increase in the cap to keep Cole.

  5. I would be curious to know your opinions on a Carey Price vs Draisaitl trade.

    • I would hope PC hangs up the phone.
      Agree that Talbot hasn’t been great, but either has Price. Both play for bad teams which is adding to the problem.
      Price has been to good for too long not to expect a turnaround, but that contract is scary.
      If the Oil are going to make a move in the off season their best position of strength to deal from is C, but I would guess they move RNH not Draisaitl as he has a way higher ceiling.
      As always depends on the return.

    • Not happening.

    • I read through and tried to remember when I proposed this NHL 18 trade…yeah…

      I can’t imagine anyone would trade for Price at all, let alone give assets. His is the NHL equivalent of the Pujols or Cabrerra deals in MLB. HOF’ers that you couldn’t give away with their contracts.

      • I’m just not paying any goalie that kind of money. Nor can a team flush out it’s roster properly if they spend that much money on a goalie.

        No position better reflects a teams D & the ability of the forwards to play a 2 way game than in net. Price looks pretty average playing behind the D Mon is being forced to ice. Did he just lose his skills? How about Schneider last season, or Edm’s goalies for years. Lehtonen looks much better now playing behind an actual decent D.

        I have been making this argument for years. Put a stud goalie behind a bad D & you get a bad goalie.

    • mg….i agree 1000% you win with guys like Cole he is playing lights out has for the last two years …especially in the playoffs. Why he fell in to Sullivan’s doghouse i don’t know glad he is out… Hunwich is ok Cole is way better!

    • See Rick Dipietro to see how the Price thing will work out… Only way he ever gets traded will be if Montreal picks up half his salary for rest of his career… Maybe Price for Dustin Brown or David Clarkson would be more realistic expectation of return for him :)…

    • Price isn’t going anywhere.
      Leon and the Oilers 2018 1st round pick might get the Habs vaguely interested but I doubt it!

  6. Unsure why Heyman would want the Islanders to move Nelson. He slots #3c or winger. He is also an RFA , unlike Bailey who is a UFA. He says that Nelson is not part of their young core. Well JT is 27, Bailey 28 and Nelson 26. SO is he suggesting they do not resign Bailey? Hickey is 29 and a UFA…so trade him? Boychuck 34? so trade him? LOL and so on and son on. Nelson is good, affordable depth. I would assume they would want to add to make a run in the playoffs to show JT they are serious about contending. Trading Nelson at the deadline, and Halak (according to Heyman), will only show JT they do not care about contending……all IMO.

    Besides that they have 8 UFAs and 5RFAs at season end. Lots for JT to think about

    • When did Heyman start writing about professional sports? He’s been an amateur sports guy for decades, college & high school. The other 1 that surprised me today was Bombulie. We are digging deep today I guess hockey is making some inroads with people in the US.

      I can’t wait until stupid season ends. I hate the lead up to the trade deadline. Most of the players we are discussing aren’t being traded before the trade deadline nor this summer.

      If they were we would have stepped outside the box significantly from the norm which was set after the 2004-05 lockout. We get shocked occasional but it’s rarer than winning the lottery which at least happens weekly.

    • I just saw Brock NElson get a Hat Trick when Barzal had that 5 point night in the last win NYI had… That amazing comeback against Detroit when they were down 3-0, then they get a 5 minute major to take lead 6-5 only to let in a late goal to win in OT 7-6 :). I know he isn’t producing as expected but it seems insane to ship him out. He has potential to be a really good player as if he isn’t already. Then again this is the team who traded Niedo Nidermayer for nothing since they spited him not letting him play in NHL or whatever :).

  7. wow poor kessel—gets stuck on lines that are subpar and ie. blozak and sheahan–3rd line—and still getting the job done and close to leading the nhl —-doesn’t get the credit he deserves

    • KESSEL is the penguins leading scorer he isn’t poor kessel..He has been the most consistent forward on the team all year. he plays with malkin he plays with Sheahan, he plays on the power play with Crosby..number # 1 power play in the NHl..kind of rich if you ask me… i get it though and he is so underrated.

    • I always gave him credit. He does well on that line bc 2 of those guys play defense and he does the offense lol…….so it works very well. They guy can flat out shoot. Always acknowledged his skill but his personality is more dry than mine. Loved it when he posted the hotdogs in the cups picture…..that made me laugh and happy for him.

      • I have defended Kessel for years & since arriving in Pit I have said he’s better served not to play with Crosby or Malkin as he likes to carry & rush the pcuk which negates Crosby & Malkin. Kessel doesn’t need to play with superstars to be a superstar, never has, he has 1 of the best pure releases the game has ever seen. He is a superstar & has been since he developed in the NHL. He followed the standard development curve perfectly.

        2006-07. 70GP-11G-18A-29Pts. Rookie season.
        2007-08. 82-19-18-37. 152 NHL games played.
        2008-09. 70-36-24-60. 222 games played.

      • Does he have warts. Oh yeah most have some form. Kessel doesn’t ofetn commit to back checking but he certainly did when it mattered in Pit cup runs. He isn’t paid to play a 2 way game really, he’s paid to score.

      • NICE…I HATE CROSBY…

  8. Agree. Two solid acquisitions . The Sheahan, Guentzel , Phil line did click well…. so with that in mind and when Hrn returns (Mallon centerimg the Swedish duo); then focus on acquisitions should be speedy winger for ’87 and maybe another depth D for security against injuries. Under no circumstances go after Patches …. cost high when return is a risk. No to Kane …. high reward possibility but also a risk of not doing much. Can we please please pretty please get rid of Hunwick…. he was brutal for my Leafs and now brutal and constraing for my second fav team …, Pens

    • That’s Malkin not Mallon …. Siri needs a butt kick

  9. I want the Penguins to go after Brassard or Plekanacs…. no one else one of those two makes the penguins extremely dangerous..

    • Rumor – Penguins are one of 2 or 3 teams inquiring about Brassard.

      • Pit doesn’t have the assets to get Brassard.

        They are easily outbid by numerous teams. What top prospect is Pit giving up? Their best prospect is Sprong & he’s not elite & could take years to learn to be an NHL player.

        I can see Pit enquiring but you need to lower your expectations.

      • Striker, according to a source this past week Penguins are talking with Senators about trading for Derick Brassard. As far as available Penguins’ assets to acquire Brassard: NHL winger, a draft pick, a prospect, etc. Jim Rutherford is sometimes creative with trades.

      • inquiring and actually serious are two different tings…LOl The Pirates are in on every one Its all smoke they don’t get anyone…LOL
        i like Brassard the asking price is too high Plekanacs is a better option FOR THE PENS!

      • What top prospect? The Penguins have the best goalie in the world not in the NHL. They can offer Anthony Angelo, a 6’5” centre playing for 1st place Cornell in the NCAA at almost a point per game and very good defensively. They have Jordy Bellrive, who has 73 points in 54 games in the OHL. The have Zach Lauzon, the next ME Vlasic. Jeff Taylor, Teddy Blueger, Alex D’Orio, Tomas Di Pauli. One of these guys plus a first should be more than enough. You’re overvaluing Brassard who is just starting the back 9 of his career. I have little interest in Brassard but to say he’s not aquireable is ridiculous. The Penguins have a very good track record for finding late round and undrafted streals.

      • And we’ll see about Sprong, he has an elite shot which is lethal. He could easily become an elite goal scorer. Stick to your own team Striker, you don’t know jack about the Penguins and it shows every time your interject. I remember arguing with Sticky on this very site for weeks about whether the Pens had the assets to aquire Kessel and boom they got him and gave up less than even I thought they would. Brassard ain’t no Kessel.

      • Wow. Did you work for the pens in the dark era? I’ll bet you came up with ads for RICO fata guilliame levevbre dick tarnstrom Milan Kraft and konstantin koltsov!

      • I think if jarry is in the deal the penguin could get brassard specially if they have room to take on a bad contract. Yet moving brassard would be tough for the Sens. They need to improve or wull be forced to give colorado an early 1rst round pick.

      • Any of you expecting Ottawa to take prospects for brassard give your head a shake. Dorion will be looking for a hockey deal. With the prospect of finishing low this year the Sens need to improve so they don’t give colorado an early 1rst round pick next year.

        Brassard for a 1rst round and prospect out side the nhl wont get it done. Ottawa will be better next year with brassard. If the Sens decide to rebuild it will wait a year. If a goal tender who can play now is In the deal the pens may be able to get Brassard. But Ottawa will need to find a way to shore up.their centre position. Perhaps a follow up deal with edmonton over the summer for RNH.

        Dorion has a tough job ahead of him. To retool this team. It will be tough to m9ve players in key poaitions like centre or D. He needs to win the deals or not to make em at all.

  10. I’ve said it before, the sharks best options are someone like Domi or Hoffman. Maybe Patches. IF they have to give up DeMelo and a pick to get one of these players that’s okay. Heed is waiting and is a suitable replacement.

    If I were to go out on a limb I wouldnt even mind maroon. Anything to get hansen off the 4th line. that guy is a liability.

    • Demelo & a 1st wouldn’t get you Domi, Hoffman or Patches.

      What do you think Demelo is? He was drafted 7 years ago in the 6th round, he’s a #6 Dman today may have the ability to be a #5 & that’s a soft maybe, he could play in a 2nd pairing role in a pinch. Now he is only 24 but the clock is ticking. His pedigree limits his value in trade. It pains me that Demelo is getting to play ahead of Heed & if SJ wants to secure 1 of these players it would have to be Heed or Ryan moving a 1st & some other very solid assets.

  11. Will Chiarelli deal with Boston? do I see Maroon as a fit in Boston? I think he could play with Krecji, simply because Krecji game isn’t about speed, it’s about pace and control, often you’ll see Krecji slow down the pace, not speed it up. Not sure what the ask is, but never like giving up assets for a pure rental.

    • No thank you. Which LW is coming out of the line up to make room for Maroon? Marchand, Debrusk or Heinen?

      • I have no problem moving either Heinen or Debrusk. I would be putting Maroon on the second line with Krecji.
        I don’t believe the Bruins at present have enough to win the cup. The second line could use an upgrade. I would put Krecji between Maroon and Backes, Spooner between Debrusk and Heinen.
        In short is Maroon an upgrade over some players already in the lineup and for me that answer is yes.
        My only concern is cost, if the cost is too high, then walk away. But I wouldn’t simply be hanging up the phone.

    • I would prefer Bos do nothing to be honest. I don’t want to mess with chemistry, nor see young players pushed down or off the roster. If injuries hit call up the prospects in the AHL.

      The last time Bos was confronted with the same choice them brought in Jagr, he bumped Seguin to the 3rd line & I believe that cost us another cup & in part lead to Seguin’s departure that summer.

      • Bos solid on grit, speed , chemistry …. acquisitions (if any) should be for reasonable depth to protect against injuries …. depth acquisitions won’t kill chemistry

      • I agree, cheap depth assets; spending no more than 1 2nd & 1 3rd ideally spread out over 2018 & 19, but there are some logistical business issues in play. Teams are limited to 23 man rosters until the regular season ends. Getting 1 player onto the roster a depth forward is easy enough but to get a depth Dman on as well would mean having to waive a player or sending Grzelcyk down.

        Boston is still transitioning & I want Boston to stay the course & not block anyone out.

        I’m also curious to see if Boston can lure Khokhlachev back before the playoffs start. He could potentially return when the KHL season ends. He’s still Bos property & can be signed with out having to clear waivers. Julien & Chiarelli are gone so he might be willing to start fresh.

      • I don’t know if he is actually allowed to play in the playoffs. The NHL CBA is very complicated on this kind of stuff & we get misreports from broadcasters & journalists constantly.

        I have an enquiry into several sources now about offer sheets as I may have been incorrect.

      • striker i agree Boston is rolling no need to add…

  12. Segechev and point should be named in a Karlsson deal but a macd deal don’t think it takes either one. A top prospect a 1st and maybe a minor third piece is a good deal for both sides

    • Totally agree on that one. Sens should move him now, get that return and focus on next year. With those two, they not only help their depth, lower the salary commitments and more than adequately replace Karlsson.

      • hold up… let me rephrase. not both point and sergachev… one or the other with some other less stellar pieces. Karlson just not worth two top young players.

  13. Does Nick Kypreos have compromising photos of his bosses? How has this moron achieved the position he has? All of his “sources” are Sportsnet folks feeding him info. This idiot probably speaks into the wrong end of his smartphone.

  14. Here is my two cents: Nash will be a bust wherever he goes, Maroon is a poor man’s Lucic, McD will be overpriced and be injured by end of March…there is really very little in the market that would make a difference on an already contending team, or make the differnece between almost ready and ready to fight for Cup…Pens might tweak a bit but not with Domi-why wold anyone want him right now? Bruins too smart to fool much with the current lineup and certainly won’t give up Carlo for a short term fix for a problem that is not there. Don’t sell Leafs short if they have to play either TB or BB…but obviously they are not a favorite in either match up. The good news is its all worth following and being excited by, since the Cup chase is wide open. The dark horse trade? Ranges really blow it up and make a huge multi-player deal-but that is more likely to be summertime not February!

  15. I think Caper is so right never give up assets for old slow rental

  16. I think this would help both teams:
    To NYI:
    -Pacioretty
    -Lindgren
    -Jordie Benn
    -Joe Morrow
    To MTL:
    -Both 2018 1st
    -3rd in 2018 OR a 2nd in 2019
    -Kieffer Bellows OR Ho-Sang Or Dal Colle

    • This is another Habs fan or valuing their players and dreaming in technicolor. No way NYI do this deal. Maybe one 1st and one prospect for that package.

    • Ha-ha!

      Whoa.Thank god we only have 2 more weeks of this.

      • Striker what do you think is wrong with this? Overpayment on which side? This would give the Islanders a young up and coming goalie, another top 6 forward to play with either Barzal or Tavares, and some D depth. And best part is it doesn’t kill their cap, so they have the room to give Tavares the monster contract we all know he will get, plus some cap space on the side. For the Habs they automatically reset the organization, and stock the bare shelves, as this would give them 3 1st, 3 2nds and 2 3rds this year, plus another high-end prospect.

      • To Striker– Re Khovalchuk …. I must have missed a trade earlier in year… I thought he was still NJ property until Jul 1st? Did Bos trade something to get his rights?

      • Pengy, you are correct but that not who Striker said, he said Khokhlachev known as Koko in Boston. Two different people

    • Hehe maybe Islanders would trade a 1st along with 2nd rounder w/ Ho for that package… Though only Max would probably help them out of those players anyways who could get for less assets :). You must have Snow confused with Jon Snow from Game of Thrones :). Also its not back where Islanders had to dump talent for trash for salary reasons or whatever :). Now they are trying to win or field a competitive team for the new arena they have built (2020?) in Belmont or whatever :).

  17. Oh My G no not Maroon too slow The name of the game is speed and the bruins finally after all these years have come to realize that fact it’s been right infront of them for year starring at them in the face and the’ve finally achieved it guys like Marchand, Debrusk, McAvoy, Spooner, Krug etc you lose that edge when you start stocking up on slow pokes like Maroon pass!!

    • To Caper
      Thanks… I didn’t know of kokhlachev. My Bad

  18. Well I really don’t think Ottawa needs to trade everyone they have a good team… they shouldn’t be where they are in the standings especially after getting M.Duchesne …. Another team the Habs shouldn’t be where they are in the standings and shouldn’t be rebuilding they have a good team but they should invest in 3 things …. 1. Drafting better and getting some A prospects in the pipeline and 2. a health and fitness coach these players are always injured … if it’s not price it’s galleghar if it’s not him it’s Galchenyuk if it’s not him it’s Weber if it’s not Weber it’s Shaw the list in years goes on and on and on….. 3. A Bloody 1st line Centreman someone age 27 and younger …. if they could fix these 3 things Montreal will be contending

    • If Montreal wins the draft lottery, everything changes. If Ottawa wins the lottery, everything changes. Dahlin is that good.

      • Yeah look how good it went for Oilers getting the 1st overall pick so many times… I mean Neil Yakupov is playing in Colorado who has less goals than waiver wire Neito’s 10 ;). Hall, Eberle, they really stuck around there… Now their new teams have a better shot to make the Post Season while Oilers can STrome their return for those trades ;).

  19. to STL: NASH (50% retained) & Mac Truck

    to NYR: Bouwmester, Kostin, Kyrou, & 2019 or 2020 1st

    STL is a legit cup contender. STL gets depth on the wing w/ Nash….potential to resign next season. Get Mactruck who can pair with Peitrangelo on the 1st pairing. (stud pairing there) Mac is also 6 years younger than Jay-Bo

    NYR gets 2 top prospects and a 1st for Mac along with a 1 season stop gap Dman in Bouwmester. Allows them to trade away Holden & Kampfer, then try to move Staal & Smith. Bouwmester can play the left side to SHatts next year. They have some familiarity from their days together in STL.

    Not that I want to trade Mac but this gives the Rangers back top prospects along with a 1st.

    • macd definitely an improvement over meister… but not enough of one to give up all those futures.

  20. So… Macd and leafs… leafs could really use another top 4… he’s not a rental. Lets also say the leafs aren’t willing to give up the big three youngins… is their a deal possible? McDermott, Kapanan, 1st get it done? Do Leafs have a good center prospect?

    • Leafs do not need a top 4 defenseman right now. If they do need a top 4 defenseman, it will be in 2 years when we are truely ready to contend and have a very good idea of how good McDermott and Kapanan are. This is not the Leafs of old, chasing the dream and parting with their young talent way before they know what they have. Especially not for the pipe dream of winning the cup this year. Yes, anyone making it can win and yes the Leafs using that framework can win without any adds. BTW Chrism, that amount of talent for MacD I can’t imagine any team offering – but stranger things have happened.

      • waiting could hurt the leafs just as badly… ELC time is almost up… wait two more years and the ability to add a piece like macd could be no an option. Beware leafs fans… if you swing too far the other way, from youth dumpers/old geezer signers to youth hoarders you end up in the same place… not on the cup.

        I’m not sure its enough for a legit top 4.. borderline top 2 d man. I do know if I’m the leafs I am going hard after macd or faulk.

    • I have not seen McDermott play but that may be a conversation starter from what I have read about his potential. Only slight is he is undersized and we have that in Gilmour, Pionk, DeAngelo and so on….. I do not believe Kapanen is a game changer to me. Trading Mac would require someone who can play top minutes and I see Kapanen as a weak 2nd line ford and reliable 3rd linder. With TML being as good as they are….that would be a weak 1st rounder too….so the pot would have to be sweetened for NYR MGT….IMO. They would wait if that was TML braintrust’s offer.

      • McDermott? That a new clan? Try Travis Dermott.

  21. I think it’s way too high for a guy that in one year or so will be demanding 9+. I would rather have Reilly/Zaitsev combined for 9+ and have two others for 9+ that will have been developed internally or strategically added. These are the things the Leafs are doing. I very much disagree with your comment on waiting could hurt. Buying into the wrong guy is worse. I like McD, he will be a FA in a year or so and someone will overpay. McD is not my guy as a 1-2 guy so why would I pay the price you proposed? i think it’s way too much or better put not in line with where the Leafs are heading.

    Tampa may pay as they are much closer right now, but they are not paying what you proposed – 2 firsts and a 2nd. One of which is NHL ready now, the other a short time away and both look like tremendous prospects. Not happening.

    • Always interesting to see the mindset of different types of fans. Much like several teams now that cling to hope that their aging team will get it done there are the fans that prefer to hoard youth because hope for the future, while not as good as hope for a championship, is better than no hope at all.

      • Chrisms. I have no idea why you reference aging team in a conversation about the Leafs and your references around hope are very misguided especially when associated to what you think McD will get NR. There is no team giving you that much talent for the privilege of paying McD 9+. If a team gave that much talent for him, they will held hostage and have to pay the 9+ asking. He will remain a NYR for a long time and it will be NY paying 9+.

        My hope is for a championship and I have clarity on how to get there – and it doesn’t start by ponying up all that and having to pay a guy 9+.

      • He’s making less than 5 for 1.5 more years? Thinking more than that ahead is where mont buff etc should be. Not the leafs. Also 9 mil if the cap keeps going up is about right though I doubt he is that much. Leafs in two years, if they ain’t traded.m, gonna have 20-25% of their cap in three forwards. Now is a good time to make a move

    • I understand the payday logic and fitting $$ under the cap strategy, however, he is definitely a #1 and easily a #2 D-man. How i read your post “not my guy as a 1-2 guy” is rather strange to me. MacTruck is better than any TMLeafs defenseman. Reilly has 92 pts the last 3 season along with 33 this season. MacTruck has 109 pts the last 3 seasons along with 26 this year.

      Reilly has had a ton of sheltered minutes during his development. MacTruck takes ALL of the top assignments. Has played with Girardi (buyout), Klein(europe), Holden(really??), and Staal(buyout candidate), ooooh and Smith (demoted to the AHL).

      Mac also plays in all situations both PP AND PK. When get hets to play with a decent defenseman in Skjei, he shifts to play the right side to allow his other partner to play their comfort level. Reilly has had significantly less difficult assignments. Not slighting Reilly but MacTruck would be TML’s best defenseman.

      • I actually remember (barely) sitting on my dad’s knee watching ’67 Leafs cup win… it’s been a long time… I want another cup in my kids (now in their early mid 20’s) lifetime… I’m good with 5 year plan. Leafs have such a very very little chance of getting by the first round… extremely little chance… they are guaranteed 2 playoff gates, maybe they get 3…, no need to hone up now and trade futures needed next year and beyond …. if the have no inentions of re-signing any of their UFAs… trade for some picks …. still getting 2 maybe 3 home playoff dates … nothing changes this year

      • Crossby Hater, you don’t need McD to win a cup. NYR haven’t won one with him. Your comments on Reilly are misguided, he plays more then enough hard minutes. His skaking and offensive skills are far better then McD has ever been at, and I get there is more to go on the defensive side – he will get there.

        I don’t disagree that McD is a better then what we have right now, but he is no where near better enough to mortgage that much and expect to pay him 9+. Once again, we are not playing for this year, we are playing for 2 years from now. We have tons of young D talent that need to be properly vetted before making any major moves.

        You guys really need to get a better handle on the business of hockey. Organizations don’t trade a ton of talent so they can pay a guy 9+, unless he is 21 and Connor McDavid.

        Once again, we have no need or want for McD not for even a straight up first rounder – Leafs don’t make that deal regardless of what he is worth as he doesn’t fit what we need.

        I hope you guys get what you think he is worth, it’s not coming from Toronto. I honestly don’t think any GM ponies that up – JMO

      • Faulk would be another good pick up. Buy a little low. Kapanen 1st maybe a third little asset.

      • Chrism\Crossby Hater, when i reference 9+ – i’m talking today’s cap. Anyway, let’s just agree to disagree on McD. Lou ain’t dealing for him, move on to other targets.

        Have fun

      • Mcdonagh won’t be seeking 9+. The only way I see him getting that kind of a deal is from a Doughty, Karlsson loser sweepstakes’s.

        That being said…. who knows where he ends up? People talk about Mcdonagh like he’s Cole for christ sake!

        No question, Today, he would be the best d-man in Toronto..

        All that being said, I see Tampa as the better Trading partner.

        I think NY is better off waiting until the offseason to talk to teams. Then they can negotiate with everyone rather than just playoff teams.

        Mcdonagh will return at LEAST return 2-1sts and a solid prospect. Or a great prospect and a 1st…. I rarely throw out anything when it comes to trades. But they aren’t throwing Mcdonagh away here.

      • Thanks Trekkie. It’s good to meet a man who knows when to throw in the towel… much like you want the leafs to do! Booom!

  22. TO should trade Bozak, Soshnikov, and Polak to Pits for Sheehan and a 1st with TO keeping as much money as they can. This helps Pits for the playoff run while Sheehan gets to grow with a growing team. If he can not cut it as a 3rd line center he becomes a 4th.

    In regard to defense if TO cant make a trade right now for a top four right hand Dman they should go after Phaneuf as long as Ottawa holds at least 2 million salary. His skill set is what they need and now he wouldn’t be the focus. He only has a couple years left but with a 4.5 million cap hit he can be moved as young guys develop.

    • tugboat you want a defenseman for your Leafs? how about Nash (50% retained)or Grabner & Smith for Bozak?? =) lol

    • If you take hunwick back hell yes

  23. How about Anaheim sending C Sam Steel & D. Josh Mahura to Montreal for Pacioretty and a 3rd.

  24. Why would any team want Nash for playoff run? Lol, the guy couldn’t even score a goal in a roller hockey playoff game.

    • How many playoff goals have come off the 10 million dollar Eichels stick? How many off the 7+ O’Reillys? How many off Okposos? Hmmmmmm? Without looking I’m positive Nash has more than all 3 combined!

      But don’t let that stop you from the same rant day on day out.

      On a good note, Eichel has played 81 games once… three years ago. Seems a tad fragile since no?

      • Nyr4Life…DILLY DILLY!!!

  25. I guess the Kings still want sloppy thirds to get Phaneuf :)? I’d want the Dion from when he could score 20 goals not this current version of him though :). Unless it involved trading Forbort for him I don’t think he would be an improvement for their left side… Idiot Kings would likely go back to playing 4 or 5 left shot D-men then wonder why they can’t win a game :). Even if they shipped out Forbort don’t know if it would help them much. I guess he would play on 1st or second pairing w/ Drew or LaDue maybe Folin?

    Maybe they can trade dirty trash like Dustin Brown straight up for Dion Phaneuf… Nobody needs some cheap shot artist who would do knee to knee hits on purpose… So he will end a guys career or change their way of life for rest of it? I’m starting to think what he did to Hertl was on purpose. Before that injury he looked like the Finnish Flash 2.0. Hell he had like 4 or 5 goals I think vs. Rangers even some between the legs one against King Henrik… That might have been a preseason game though.

    There are Kings fans, then there are Dustin Brown fans, don’t ever confuse the two :). It will be interesting to see how Blake does things… The old GM would be making a bad desperate deal every deadline… Out of all the trades Lombardi did he only won maybe 5 of them short/long term… CArter, Gaborik, McNabb, Williams, and Vinny L/Luke Schenn. All the other trades the Kings lost long/short term in including the Mike Richards, Sekera, Versteeg?, whatever that losers name on Flames is ;). The Iginla deal wasn’t bad, he lost out on the LUcic trade losing Miller/Jones two players better than most on the LAK current roster :). Least Vegas is doing well having McNabb and Miller ;).

    • make an offer to OTT for a Phaneuf/Ryan combo? say Gaborik & what?

      • Hmmm Bobby Ryan has a pretty bad contract too so that would make it easier to get Dion. I’d say Kings if they traded Gaborik in that deal would have to include Dustin Brown or a D-man like Forbort, Gravel, maybe Martinez. There could be some prospects or other draft picks mixed into that too.

        I’m just not sure at this time if Pheaneuf is an upgrade over Muzzin or Martinez for a top 4-6… He is probably better than Forbort who besides that 3 assist night recently is really offensively anemic… He can’t clear the D-zone, can’t keep the puck in the offensive zone or make it back to touch up for hybrid icings.

        Bobby Ryan seemed to produce better in California when he was on the Ducks. Maybe he could do better if he went to LA in that deal. Gaborik only needs to play 1 more year then a buyout would be pretty affordable on the 6.5M or so left in final 2 years. That would be low risk, Senators could shed almost 15M in cap space depending who comes back etc.

        I seen some rumors they would include that – named draft pick who had two moms in a trade recently. They got a few other prospects who could be involved in any trades too. Maybe they can pick up Wideman the right shot D-man for some insurance from SEnators too. He had a few goals playing limited time so would give some depth behind LaDue and Folin… Especially if Drew Doughty ever got hurt missing some games etc.

  26. So Bobby Ryan and Phaneuf for Gaborik and Gravel is your offer??

    DEAL!!!!! I do not think OTT needs anything else. =)

    =) the money saved can go to Dorion’s new contract extension

    Hoffman/Duchene/Gaborik line works….

    $$ saved can go to reworking the rest of the roster.

    • Cool I was mostly trying to guess what the Kings would have to give up :). Bobby Ryan would probably be on the 1st line w/ Kopitar or the 2nd line depending… They can move Brown do the 3rd line… Then Dion could pair with Drew or LaDue on the D. Kings still have a small window to try to win w/ aging Quick and Carter… So for them it might not be so bad while Senators it would free up lots of $$$ :). I figure Bobby Ryan can least produce the same amt of points or more as Gaborik for LA. Maybe he can’t score 30+ goals anymore but 20-30 is realistic. Though they might have to trade Forbort over Gravel since that would be about 7M in the Gaborik/Forbort contracts to help offset the 14M+ coming LA’s way :).

      • You’ll need a backup plan for the games that Ryan spends on the IR.

      • BCL injuries are always a risk for certain players like Jeff Carter or Gaborik anyways. Both of them have missed a fair amt of time, though Carter helped win first Cup in 2012 when he came back from an injury… While in a way Gaborik helped in 2014 after having his own injury issues. They already had Quick miss a good amt of time from injuries. So not like expecting the guy to be totally healthy or they have the cap space to do the deal. I seen most reports having them target Phaneuf so don’t think they would go after Ryan but its possible. At most I think Kings got another 2-3 years to try for the 3rd Cup before a massive rebuild. IN about 5 years many of the current players will be gone maybe even Drew will be on a new team while others retire or fade. When Kopitar signed his contract I figured year 6 or so would be the buyout for him :).

  27. Do not want any forwards or Smith. If Pens want Leafs to take Hunwick they are going to have to add a second and take Moore.

    If Sens want to send Ryan with Phaneuf they are going to have to keep max salary cap money and add a second round pick. The Leafs would send Bozak, Neilsen or Valiev, Rychel or Lievo, and Bracco or Johnson. TO might have to add a late pick or another prospect? Ryan is a big body that can play center but he needs better gloves to protect his fingers. I expect Lou would move Ryan after the playoffs. Sens move out some salary, get a center that they can resign or trade, and get a few good prospects. The Leafs get depth for the playoffs and clear out some bodies to reduce the number of contracts. There are a lot of moving parts here so I would prefer just taking Phaneuf.

    • Well looks like Senators won this trade getting rid of Dion for 25% retained… While they got Nick Shore along with GAborik… Who will free up more money one way or another. I think the Kings lost this deal, they will screw up playing 4-5 left shot D-man like idiots now. Unless this means they ship out Forbort it seems pretty done for them. Instead they will pair Martinez at RD where he sucks w/ Muzzin killing the pair… Dark Days for LA it seems for next few years or more…