Latest on Taylor Hall and Zack Kassian, plus updates on the Devils and Red Wings.
Trading Taylor Hall could do more harm than good for the Edmonton Oilers.
ESPN.COM: Rob Vollman lists the reasons why the Edmonton Oilers would be crazy to trade left wing Taylor Hall. Vollman also suggests such a move would be comparable to the Boston Bruins shipping Tyler Seguin to the Dallas Stars in 2013, believing the Oilers (like the Bruins in the Seguin trade) will only get two or more lesser players in return). Unless Hall demands a trade, Vollman believes it’s in the Oilers’ best interest to retain the talented winger.
SPECTOR’S NOTE: As Vollman notes, Hall’s been catching some blame lately for the Oilers “sagging work ethic” and their culture of losing. Hall isn’t perfect, but the whispers he’s “uncoachable” or somehow directly responsible for the club’s woes are ridiculously unfair. If the Oilers are dumb enough to trade him, they’ll regret it for years to come, just as the Bruins front office probably regrets the Seguin trade today.
THE PROVINCE: Jason Botchford reports teams are inquiring about Vancouver Canucks winger Zack Kassian, who was a healthy scratch during the Canucks 3-2 loss to the LA Kings. Canucks management insists they’re not actively pursuing a trade. Botchford claims the Dallas Stars sent a scout to a recent game to watch Kassian and wasn’t pleased that he wasn’t in the lineup.
SPECTOR’S NOTE: Though Kassian has yet to blossom into a reliable power forward, there is apparently interest from clubs who are willing to take a chance on him for the right price. It’ll be interesting to see how first-year GM Jim Benning handles this situation.
ESPN.COM: Craig Custance reports New Jersey Devils GM Lou Lamoriello isn’t ready to give up on this season. Though veteran winger Jaromir Jagr recently said he wouldn’t object if Lamoriello wanted to trade him if the move was in the club’s best interest, he’s also not willing to throw in the towel on the season. If Lamoriello does go into sell mode later in the season, Custance suggests pending UFAs like Jagr, Michael Ryder, Martin Havlat, Steve Bernier, Bryce Salvador and Marek Zidlicky could become trade candidates. Teams could also have interest in young Devils blueliner Adam Larsson, who’s struggled to establish himself as a full-time NHL defenseman.
SPECTOR’S NOTE: This month should tell the tale for the Devils. If they struggle through January and remain near the bottom of the Eastern Conference standings, Lamoriello will start fielding trade inquiries.
MLIVE.COM: Ansar Khan, responding to questions from his readers, acknowledged the Red Wings ongoing need for a top-four defenseman with a right-handed shot. He believes Buffalo’s Tyler Myers and Washington’s Mike Green could prove too costly to pursue, as would Arizona’s Keith Yandle, who’s a left-handed shot. Khan believes if the Wings make a move it’ll be for a second- or third-pairing defender.
Boston doesn’t regret it at all. Seguin wasn’t going to play center in Boston. And if you remember, they traded Joe Thornton for pretty much nothing, and at the end, it worked out pretty good
Being a Bruins fan both of those trades have killed me. Yes they got lucky on the Thornton trade, received no 1st tier talent but got some guys with good character. The Seguin trade, well lets just say Chiarelli should look back in Bruins history and see what happened to the last Bruin Manager to trade a superstar.
It was Chiarelli himself …..who traded superstar Phil Kessel. What came later ? A Stanley cup of course.
Trading Seguin wasn’t stupid; trading Seguin for Ericsson was stupid.
If you truly believe the bruins don’t regret that trade then I would like to get a pair of your rose color glasses. It was a bas trade the moment it was made. Top center who is fast and can score also under a team friendly contract. We got lucky to get him in the first place otherwise the Kessel trade would’ve been laughable. To make this trade worst PC buts everything that he see wrong with Tyler out there hence depreciating his value, couldn’t get a ninth overall pick (Calgary) for him. I bet Dallas wouldn’t give up Seguin for 3 first round draft picks today. That’s what the Boston management done. I won’t get into the Boychuck trade. Disgusted!
That’s a very talented and young player to give up without getting equal talent in return. No doubt that Seguin will be a top 6 forward for a long time.
True, there’s no top center minutes in Boston for him now, but he would have filled Krecji’s role nicely when it’s time for David to move on.
the seguin trade was bad but they did get rielly smith who by no means makes up for seguin but still its something! PC might be gone if boston doesn’t make a deep run cause of the seguin,boychuk trades
You guys are viewing the trade through the window of history. As I remember at the time the Bruins were trying to win another Stanley Cup, Seguin was struggling to remain on the teams Roster and Boston decided to move him for help for the present not the future.
Yes I agree Boston probably regrets the trade but hindsight is 20/20 and from all accounts there were few in Boston who thought highly of Seguin so trading him was logical at the time and with full support of the members in management Nd ownership he was moved. I find that hard to beleive to be an action that will cost The GM his Job after coming in and constructing a Stanley Cup Champion.
As for the Kessel deal, at the time Kessel was not a superstar, simply a budding star and he was traded for two other Budding stars. Seguin and Hamilton.
Chiarelli has done a fantastic job over the coarse of his tenure, if he ever does lose his Job it will simply be do to the lack of production and high expectations. Something that is inevitable. Eventually even the best teams decline, but to this point non of his moves will cost him his job.
And hindsight.is 20/20
Jeff, are you kidding me! Seguin was not being shopped for another cup run. Without Seguin we (Boston) don’t get by Tampa in the Cup run. He was already a 20 goal scorer not playing his natural position. Everybody knew his talent that’s why it was Taylor or Tyler draft. The Bruins we extremely lucky in the draft because Toronto was not expected to finish as low as they did in the draft. Boston got luck and then blew their good fortune. Yes Hamilton is a keeper and will be a strong #1 Dman. The Seguin trade was bad I said it from the beginning therefore its not 20/20 it was obvious.
Everyone knew Yakupovs talent to, just like they did Seguin but his draft year it was fail for Yail. It is always the top picks thhat are hyped they don’t always make it and Boston doubted Seguin.
I disagree. The Bruins would be a legitimate powerhouse team if they had Thornton, Seguin, Wheeler, and Boychuk. Nobody in the east would compete with them.
Is that because of all the playoff success Thornton has experienced and all the time he got his name on the cup.
Could be would be should be…they would also be over the cap. Chia even with questinable trades has made the Bruins a contender for the better part of a decade, windows close on championship contenders its just part of the business. Not saying he should or shouldnt be fired, but to look back on some of these deals like Wheeler and Thornton Kessel as examples or excuses as to why is dumb.
I just don’t believe in trading a top six forweard or top 4 defensemen unless you are getting equal value in return. These are core players. Seguin was a kid with a few things to work out, but you could see the potential. You are also getting a player in the front side of his rookie contract, cap relief while he grows. Deal is done and that’s history, but B’s fans need to balance the short term gains with the long term implications.
I have either gone to or watched on tv the last few Oiler games and I think they are getting better. What you see in Hall is a player that never had a lot of veteran presence or influence around him. He makes the same defensive mistakes over and over. I would never question his work ethic. I think with the last couple of moves the Oilers have made you will start to see them moving forward.
As a Flames fan, I really hope ownership agrees with you… That whole team is terrible and it’s run even worse. It would be great if they stay the course.
Yes I would be very happy to see that rivalry get back to what it once was. Those games were epic.
Not really what I meant…. The oilers aren’t really improving at all. The only reason they’ve looked remotely like an NHL team a handful of times this year is because other teams don’t consider them an NHL team and take them lightly. I love watching them do this bad over and over because they constantly strive for last place so they can get a high draft pick but the thing is, that’s all they do. They don’t know how to win anymore and it’s great!
I’d love to see the BOA become relevant again but as long as the oilers are run by the “old boys club” they’re going to be a bottom feeding team.
Paul I feel the flames are playing over there heads they have won more games in the third period and over time just remember what Colorado did last season and yes we all know the oilers bad but don’t think the flames are going to win the cup
I know the Flames aren’t going to win the cup but let’s put things in perspective here. The Flames are in year 2 of a rebuild and they’re competitive. They win games in the third because they out work the teams and that comes from everyone buying in to the system not having spoiled kids play the way they want like the oilers. The Flames year 2 of their rebuild looks better than any of the oilers last 7 years of their rebuild.
The Oilers and Flames records are both somewhat misleading IMO. The Oilers have lost most of their games by a small margin. Better goaltending and an improved powerplay could swing many of those losses in the other direction. Both goalies are having career worst years and the powerplay has the skilled players it needs and has been good in the past (pre-Eakins). They are far from looking remotely like an NHL team.
The Flames on the other hand are winning over 60% of the games they get outshot, winning virtually every OT/Shoot-out game and are getting top-notch performance from veterans Hudler, Giordanno and Hiller. None of those veterans will still be around when they have any chance to develop into a contender. The Flames will likely finish 9th or 10th and get back to their cycle of being a threat to make the playoffs but never being a contender. The Flames are battling Nashville for this year’s overachievers like Colorado was last year.
@Mawman,
I have to disagree on the Oilers being in close games most of the time. 10 of their 22 regulation losses have come by 3 or more goal deficit. They are -49 (29th in the league) in overall goal differential. They do play some close games, but I wouldn’t say most of the time.
@NYR4LIFE
Fair enough. I really don’t believe that that have been uncompetitive in many of their games however. For a team that has lost 30 games and won only 8, you would expect them to be getting blown out a lot. A 5-15 record in 1GG (+ 5 EN goals that are usually 1GGs) is a significant impact on the record that could potentially be improved with tweaking and a little more luck. Trading Perron isn’t going to help change that this year however.
@Mawman,
I agree, trading Perron for Klinkhammer and a 1st does not really help them at all. Just what Edmonton needs….yet ANOTHER 1st rounder to destroy!
Trading Perron shows the Oilers are priming themselves for tank mode.
The last game had intensity. Starting to look like more of a battle atleast.
I think you will see some bold moves this summer but by then Bob Nicholson will have a GM and a new Coach in place.
I have been toying with the thought of would Washington move Ovie in exchange for Hall and then it comes to mind which side adds… Ovie is 29 … Hall is 23. Ovie gets 10 M a year Hall gets 6 M.
I do know McPhee is not happy with the general direction of his Washington team… Does he make a bold move now to change the culture?
McPhee is not the gm anymore.
Brian MacLellan is the gm.
Hey Mr. Troll
I can use numbers and statistics aswell but in my case I won’t use them to mislead
The Oilers have played 38 games. 20 of those games were won or lost by 1 goal. 15 of those 1 goal games were loses. If the oilers won have of those lost games 7 or 8. They’d have 14 or 16 more points. Which would put them a win behind Boston and florida and ahead of Ottawa, Dallas and Minnisota in the league over all standings and that is not taking into account removing the points from the 15 teams who beat them by 1 goal
No one is suggesting the Oilers are a playoff team but yes their is merit in the belief that the Oilers could easily have improved their position in the overall standings by playing a little bit better hockey and a little bit more luck. Perhaps having a 2nd line Centre??.
They only won 1 game out of the 9 OT games they played!!!!!
The Oilers could easily of had many more points this year and the games are closer than the standings show.
But yes they have had many a night of blow outs. But that does not negate the fact that half the year the are in close games that they ultimately lose.
@Flip flopper….. Now we are going off of “If’s”…LMMFAO!!!! You just lose more and more creditability as you go along! If only the Rangers won 4 games against the Kings they’d be the defending champs!….I’ll hang my hat on that! Edmontons -49 goal differential doesn’t at all tell the story?…..Hold on …a 4 game win streak “the oilers have been steadily improving over the last few years”…..an 11 game losing streak “the oilers suck …I’m officially off the bandwagon”…..present day 1 week later….”the oilers play close games “put me down for back on the bandwagon!!!” LMAO! You are hilarious!
Oilers record is 8-22-8. Losing a total of 30. Of those 30 loses. 15 have been one goal games. You are correct that they have lost by 3 or more in 10 games. But the 8 overtime loses are obviously one goal games.
You all lose ‘creditability’ based on your grammar and inability to make sense.
LOL….@ Chester…. Where is my grammar lacking? And where do I not make sense?
Oh, I see…Credibility………genius …. If I counted the misuse of your, You’re, They’re, their, there on this site, I guess I’d knock a bunch of people down…… Get a grip! Typo…..Not illiteracy!
I admit that I am generally kind of picky with spelling and grammer, but on a hockey thread where 99% of everyone posting here uses shortforms and phones with auto correct? If you are judging peoples intelligence and credibility on their spelling and grammer (here on this site or just about anysite like this) and believe that what others have said is more “credible” because they spell better, i have some property for you.
My English, sucks, my French does to. But it is not do to being uneducated. More laziness.
****due to **** not Do to…..but hey….who’s counting… ; )
Well said. The Oilers are bad, but not as bad as they appear.
Again something that is told to me when buying a dilapidated building…”its not that bad, little bit of paint, a new roof, furnace and rebuild the foundation…its as good as new!”
In all fairness they have won 2 of their last 24. I see good things for them. They are on pace to win at 3-4 more games this year. I agree with Paul here. I think they should stay the course. Management has shown brilliance and creativity like I haven’t seen in a long time.
Judging from the moves they’ve made over the last few years, the Oilers’ management are definitely dumb enough to trade Hall.
NYR4Life:
LMAO!!! Happy New Year to You! 🙂
A Flames fan putting down another team, that takes nerve!
Thank you HazelNuts you are not alone. I watch the team as well and feel they should have a batter fate this year. The biggest problem being an incomplete roster by having no one to fill the 2nd line centre position. Hopefully Roy improves that.
The Oilers lack confidence and are easily rattled but I to believe they are better and all those who claim Hall can’t play defense the last game during the over time loss the Oilers defence did an horrible change resulting in a 2 on 1 and the loss, who was the last man back trying to defend. Hall.
I do not understand the evaluation of Taylor Hall, he is a great player. The team became apathetic with little veteran leadership to guide them. Winning a few games will do wonders and hopefully it happens, but they do looks better.
Critics would say it doesn’t take much to look better.
Did you just again for the 3rd time in a month and a half flip flop again? And sorry, but Hall being back 1 time on a 2 on 1 isn’t going to change the minds of many he is a good or even decent defensive forward. I’m sure Pavel Bure and Gaborik were in similar situations at one time or another. But one or two defensive aware plays wasn’t or isn’t leading anyone to a Selke!
If you mean by my believing the oilers were better than they are at the start of the season. Then learning they sucked big time. After which taking the time to figure out while and coming to the opinion the main reason was the lack of a 2nd line centre resulting in icing an incomplete roster.
Then the team fires their coach brings in two more players hopefully solidifying the Roster after which I think they are playing better and even stating that it doesn’t take much to play better when it comes to them.
Oh and That I agreed they easily could be deserving of a few more wins this season means that I am flip flopping then fine. It could also be the simple fact things change over time and I am pointing out he changes and at times things could be different.
Like Ottawa’s last few games where they could easily of had a few more wins playing better than their opponents in Detroit and Washington but still losing,
Now it looks like Perron who I like has been moved to Pittsburgh for a second and perhaps he oilers are going to truly and apparently actively tank. Time will tell if that move was wise but as far as Puttaburgh picking him up its great for them.
I am curious NYR4life why you do not like me and have the erge to constantlly Troll.
Just my curiosity feel free to enlighten or hold your peace,
It’s kind of funny you think that Jeff. For the most part, I have basically ignored most of the things u put up here unless it has directly or indirectly involved me. But then you come out with some ridiculous disclaimer paragraph statement a week or so ago directly egging me on. (About how your opinion may bother some people….blah blah blah). Then you come out and put words in my mouth in another conversation about Halls trade value…… “Datsyuk and Zetterberg don’t kill penalties, They must be awful players”…..I ask….”where did I say Hall was a bad player” and like you often do disappear when questions get tough.
Honestly it’s hard to take you at all serious. You do tend to flip around a lot on opinions from week to week. And have even stated things like “well I’m not going to bother looking up actual statistics….It’s just my opinion” even when faced with statistics that completely discredit your opinion, you either ignore them all together, or wait a week to throw a punch.
You may want to go back over the last week or two to see who is actually doing the trolling. I’m pretty sure you will see things in a different light.
I liked Perron as well, but as much as I liked him and hate to see his competitiveness go. I have to wonder if with Pouliot coming back, Perron’s value being high after a career season where he stayed healthy, his frustration as of late, and him not being in the long term plans. If it wasn’t a chance to sell high with Perron, and get a second 1st round pick for 2016. Raising the likely hood that the Oilers 2015 1st round pick could be in play to make that big deal on or near draft day. For the addition of an immediate impact player for the Oilers.
This is not a prediction, more of a musing.
Oh I see Mr. troll
The difference is I discuss the topic you being up. Like for instance I did not know it was you who said Hall doesn’t kill penalties I didn’t care who said it. The fact someone was using that fact to discredit the value of a player when great players don’t kill penalties was something I was attempting to point out,
I will never say things like. Oh now your flip flopping, you disappear, you have no credibility. Your stupid. Your grammar sucks cause I am using your instead of you’re.
You talk as if their are right answers to what we debate. That confounds me. We are all giving opinions as to why we think something. I am simply pointing out counter arguments,
Edmonton who I am watching right now as I actually epwatch them unlike you and therefore have more credibility are heading to their third straight over time, in a game that has been pretty close,
You’re a Troll and yes I am trolling you.
@Jeff…again,,,, when insulting me get it right… “you’re stupid”…..not “your stupid”…..And seriously….”you didn’t know it was me”? Now you go from 3rd grade grammatical errors to flat out not being able to read the name of someone commenting? NOT buying it …Troll!…..btw…I will never say things like. Oh now your (You’re) flip flopping, you disappear, you have no credibility. Your(You’re) stupid. Your grammar sucks cause I am using your instead of you’re.
You talk as if their (there) are right answers to what we debate……..( right answers?….Yes, some call them……. statistics) . That confounds me(so does tying your shoes I’m guessing). We are all giving opinions as to why we think something. I am simply pointing out counter arguments,(Counter arguments, that you have admitted you are too lazy to back up with any actual facts, references, or statistics?)…..yeah….
Edmonton who I am watching right now as I actually epwatch…(epwatch?…really? now we just make up words…?) them unlike you and therefore have more credibility are heading to their third straight over time, in a game that has been pretty close,(A game in overtime is close? Brilliant beyond words!)
You’re a Troll and yes I am trolling you………………..When you cannot even get Your, you’re, there, their ….straight…..confound is too big of a word for you!………..As it turns out…I’m not an idiot….You’re an idiot!!!!
I wouldn’t put the blame on Hall for the Oilers struggles. Its a poorly constructed team in general and it does not allow Hall to play the way he needs to be successful. With that said Hall may present the best possible way for the Oilers to get some better pieces. Yes you are going to get lesser players in return but you will get multiple players that are still very good players to fill a couple holes. They could look at teams with a couple higher priced but quality players to move Hall to. They would jump at the chance to get Hall and clear out some cap space at the same time which means the Oilers can also get a better price for him.
Teams ready to “jump at the chance to get Hall and clear out some cap space at the same time …” would have to get Edmonton to take a couple of pretty high-priced players in order to “clear out cap space” since Hall is a $6 mil a year cap hit to 2019-20. It’s hard to figure who, exactly, would fill the bill as “quality” players who together add up to at least $6 mil (or more if the idea is to ‘clear out cap space”). I mean, if they are young players currently in the $3 mil + range each, chances are they are not signed long-term at those prices and are probably approaching RFA/UFA status themselves, which means the Oilers would have to talk contract extensions with each. It’s a nice theory, but reality suggests Edmonton just isn’t going to get that kind of return. From anyone.
Well, i will be the first one to say it then: Jagr to the Pens!
Not the first…Eklund has been at it for a while.
Makes way more sense to the Pens than Lupul…..and Jagr with Crosby would be a treat to watch, even though I am not a Crosby fan at all.
Didn’t that relationship get a little scorched when Jagr chose Philly over Pittsburgh? Not a Pens fan. But I’d like to see him finish his career in Pitts.
I for one think that would be a great ending for #68. they would embrace him and he would create space for the stars
if the pens injury woes keep going the way the are jagr could be on the radar
scratch that they just got perron from edm for klinkhammer and a 2015 first so I don’t think jagr will be in pitts this year lol
Awww shucks! I still have the dream of seeing Jagr out there with Crosby and Malkin. Got so excited at the posibility when he came back.
The NHL needs a good story line.
Darren Dreger-who has oiler connections- was the 1st to report that Hall is not untouchable. I believe Oiler mgt floated this for a wake up call to Hall.
Darren Dregger is an eastern reporter with no connection to the team. Never seen him in a local broadcast, let alone in Edmonton for a broadcast.
He worked the oilers broadcasts for years. He is also good friends with Buchberger-grew up together in Sask.
He was with sports net and now with TSN. He does a radio show in Toronto. He does his work from the sports net and TSN studios in Toronto. He is not in the arenas at the games.
Keep typing and proving your stupidity
I really doubt Zach Kassian will ever be a top 6 power forward in the NHL. Most of the predraft reports had him projected as a 3rd liner, maybe 20 goals. So the fact that he hasn’t “blossomed” yet really should not be a surprise to anyone. He’s a decent NHLer.
Just tossing this out there,how about Krejhie,Lucih,Svedberg and Flyers 2nd pic + perhaps Spooner (I like him but Julian for some reason seems not to) for Hall, Eberlee and a backup goalie (you pick) and sorry for the spelling of names here
imo the oilers will only move one of those 2 if they move anyone at all
Yet now that they got that late first round pick they will move that plus? So a late first round pick was the missing piece of the puzzel to get MacT to go out and get a “younger D man with term thats played a few years in the nhl” to come and help the Oilers? Now they have that 26-32 pick over all is every one in play?
Please enlighten us.
That offer might get you Hall or Eberle but never both.
Its a nice package though.
As a General rule, any trade scenario involving five or more players (count picks as players) is highly suspect and very unlikely to happen.
Lmfao
You do like to show your self-acclaimed superiority in the most mundane base ways, don’t you?
Would take more or all that for just hall. Sick of fans overrating there players
Why is Lucic, Krejci, Spooner and a pick not good compensation for Hall & Eberle? It’s fantasy but it’s not bad? Sick of fans over rating players? Maybe you are over rating Hall and Eberle. I’ve listened to a lot of fans say Hall is worth a boatload? Why is that, what has he ever done? Krejci has led the playoffs in scoring twice, a #1 Center and probably gets 80 pts on a more wide open system.
I think, Mark, the reactions are based upon what you yourself say i.e., “Maybe you are over rating Hall and Eberle.”
If that is indeed the case, why would Boston want them for Krejci and the others if Krejci is an 80 point guy in a more wide open system? Wouldn’t going to Boston and its concentration of defense first put a severe crimp in the offensive talents of Hall and Eberle?
Jersey has nothing. Should look at moving Larsson before people forget his first round selection status. I like the idea of Jagr to the Pens. Oilers will not pull the trigger on any deal of any consequence. Their only concern is “Jack or Mac”
Yes, which one will we ruin next….
Patience is called for with young D, especially a European player learning the North American game.
Chiarelli made 2 horrible deals and he knows it,just look at the on ice product right now.He also is responsible for their cap problem not only this year but next.Santa did not leave a scoring right winger under his tree apparently,I doubt he will make a move unless he can absolutely steal somebody now.Might be February before he does anything at all.This squad is a black and white,vanilla flavored product at best.Five hundred hockey is all they are capable of going forward.Time will tell but I think they are out of the hunt this year and massive changes will be needed this off season.They cannot score and they have no gravel.
regarding the B’s. They traded Thornton right before the cap came in. They didn’t think they could win a cup with him because of his attitude and work ethic and they new Chara was going to be available because of PC’s time in Ottawa. They got him and needed the cap space to do it. They thought the same of Kessel and dumped him. Bad attitude and work ethic. Can’t win with those guys leafs are now in the same boat. It appears they thought the same of Sequin. Time will tell with him. It takes more than scoring talent to win, you need to keep it out of your net too.
In the cap era you can’t win and keep everybody, just the way it is. Chicago has kept their core and filled in the rest through drafting and developing less expensive (young) players.
We will see if PC can do it in Boston.
As for this year. They haven’t had their #1 D-man and #1 center. Rask has not played as well as he has in the past.
They are healthy now, Rask has proven capable so I expect him to get it going and they are playing better as a team. PC will add a piece (scoring RW) at the deadline and give it another run. The time is now before Chara is too old.
If they miss the playoffs? It will be an interesting off season.
klinkhammer and a 1st 2015 to edm for perron! decent trade for both teams
I beleive Perron is going to Pittsburgh for simply a 2nd.
No lol. Why would you believe that? reports are 2015 1st round pick, and Klinkhammer.
Oh hey got a 1rst rounder for him. Thinking that solidifies the value of Hall, Eberle and RNH. It will take way more than simp,y a 1rst rounder to pry those guys out of Edmonton.
ya they might move the pens 1st plus for a younger dman with a bit of term! ( no leaf fans not gardiner ) lol
Ya, I think you’re right. More moves to come.
Perron wanted out.
As bad as he has been and even tho hes been frustrating to watch I wouldnt trade Gardiner for that late of a pick, so…why trade a guy at a low point? Klinkhammer is a ufa Id be surprised if he stayed. Cant see anyone trading a “younger” d man of any kind of value for a pick that comes in the bottom 5 or 6 of the first round… honestly not a great deal for Perron really imo. Not bad but I like it alot more for the Pens.
@Shticky,
I think J.Moore for Gardiner straight up! Both players will become the next Weber and Doughty with “a change of scenery”!
Im not sure thats fair Moore is taller, so it would probably require a swap of 6th round picks to balance it out.
Who is trading young D man who is locked up with term on an affordable deal for the 25th pick? Thats backwards.
just spent 2 or 3 years developing them might as well give them away for a pick…perfect sense!
plus* please read shticky and your very dumb if you wouldn’t dump gardiner for that pick! but you are a leaf fan so maybe you might get weber or doughty for gardiner?? maybe go cry and explain to lyle what a troll is when you are the really the troll!! lol
R.I.P. …..sarcasm……..4000 b.c. – 2014
lol
Plus? Plus what Jello? A goat perhaps a live chicken?..teams dont deal younger D men away that are locked up with good contracts for late picks and spare parts, they have value.. think about one that has been dealt, guy like MDZ perhaps? If they add a second its not really increasing the vealu overly, and adding Yaks isnt either. They definitely wont deal this years first and I would be willing to bet you your whole allowance from what ever system your in that they will not deal Eberle Hall or RNH. Therefore plus dosent really mean much…you think Petry and Pits first is netting a “younger D” “with Term”
lol do you really want me to list the 40 young dmen out there that would help the oilers?? why guess? they don’t need a late 1st pick but that was the best they could get for perron! they need defense I could list a bunch of random dmen but would probably be wrong just like everyone else on this site!
name a younger D man with term on his deal that would be available for a late first round pick and the package it would take to get him…you sit there and scoff and are whitty about others ideas but its funny these generic trades you mention…anyone can name D men that may help the Oilers but thats not what you said now is it?
You said a younger D man with term for a late first rounder “plus” after for weeks sitting here saying they wont trade Hall Eberle or RNH…so what does that leave? They dont have a second this year, you think they will trade 2 firsts? There are not many younger D available with some term, unless they are guys like Gardiner who teams may think its time to move on from.
A low 1st rounder and a pending UFA 4th liner have set the tone for Hall, Eberle, and RNH? I can’t say I’ve seen anyone suggest a 1st rounder was anywhere near enough to pry any of those 3 away from Edmonton.
Lol Mr. Troll. (the Lol I just typed is because I think your post is funny. I am not being derogatory.)The Mr Troll is how I believe I will refer to you for now on unless I flip flop.
What I mean if any one thought a 1rst rounder and prospect or draft pick would pry the three top guys out of Edmonton then by the oilers receiving a 1rst rounder and player for Perron should negate that view and solidify the view point that I, Lyle and others have that in particularly Halls case it is going to take a large package of quality players to get them and perhaps even a 1rst rounder for each one.
And I will refer to you as Flip flop……But anyway….If a low 1st rounder and a 4th line/depth forward can land a 2nd line winger….I guess by that logic it would take a mid/high 1st rounder a 3rd liner and a prospect to land Hall , RNH, or Eberle? It seems like you are thinking Pittsburgh got fleeced in this deal somehow? NOBODY….including myself said the 3 above mentioned players are coming for anywhere near what you suggest, On the flip side of that coin I seriously doubt any NHL team is giving up 3 roster players, pick and prospects to land one of them!
Pittsburgh didn’t get fleeced but I am impressed that the oiler got a 1rst for Perron and now they got thhat they will say to oher teams we got this for him we want way more for Hall.
They will want more for Hall than Perron? More than a lower round 1st? …. Nostradamus is that you? Brilliant!!!! Absolute brilliance!
BTW…. You are pretty impressed they got a 1st rounder out of Perron????? That is about all they got…..Thank god you aren’t a GM!!!!!
Were you not the guy saying a top op line player top pairing D man and a starting goalie?…still no.
Pittsburgh didn’t get fleeced but I am impressed that the oiler got a 1rst for Perron and now they got thhat they will say to oher teams we got this for him we want way more for Hall.
Yes and I was also the guy thinking Perron won’t get them a 2nd line centre or a 1rst round pick. They not only got the 1rst round pick they got a 4th line player to boot.
Who said Hall wouldn’t get a 2nd line center and or a 1st? I am starting to think you have ADHD? Or simply cannot read at all…? Or do you just make thing up as you go along?
Another way to explain to your trolling mind of what I was saying is the trade of Perron has not set the tone for the trade for Edmonton’s top guys like you say. It solidified the tone and leaves little doubt as to what the lower limit Edmonton will want in return,
I stand corrected…. A pending ufa journeyman 4th line / depth player, and a low 1st rounder for a 2nd line winger shows that the Oilers managements knows a thing or two about value. I mean Klinkhammer is probably another guy in need of a “change of scenery”. I guess it took 5 teams in 5 years, but I’m more than sure Klinkhammer is going to shine for Edmonton!, Probably a future 40 goal guy!(sarcasm…. I know you like to be told when I’m being sarcastic) BRAVO Edmonton!!! Another brilliant display of managements absolute dysfunction at its finest! Stanley cup here we come!!!!
Let’s put it this way. The pens areally not done making moves and I truly believe they are going to make a run this year.
As a Bruins fan I hated the Seguin trade and also said on here Boychuck was the best defenseman at the time of the trade. Chara was slowing and Siedenberg was coming off major surgery. So Trading Seguin was dumb with Krejci’s contract ending after this season Seguin could be the number one now Krejci is resigned for way too much. I would’ve moved Krejci for a top line wing like Eberle or Ryan which I know Bobby Ryan for Krejci was rumored.
I’m Glad Boston didn’t trade their first rounder for Perron.
Pasternak coming soon to ride along with fellow Czech Krejci.
Agreed. Seguin trade was a little short sighted. I am an Oilers fan obviously, and I am ok with the return on Perron. A 1st round pick fot a2nd line winger isn’t bad. We traded Panjarvi and a second round pick for Perron, and Perron was known for being injury prone at the time.
Panjarvi just cleared waivers, and we got a 1st for Perron. And we shed cap, and probably a contract. I doubt Klinkhammer gets resigned unless he shines. Who knows. But I think a 1st round bottom 10 pick in a draft year where there is good depth, isn’t a bad return. And a Keicji Trade for Eberle probably would have been a good trade for both teams.
As much as I’d love the idea of Pastrnak playing full time on the Bruins as a top 6… my gut feeling tells me the Boston organization won’t let it happen. I know it’s rumored that he’s going to return to us after the WJC but I can’t foresee the Bruins burning a year for an 18 year old who needs at least another year in a professional league such as the AHL. As much as the Bruins would like to fill these enormous holes in the lineup with their own AHL players… it’s almost a slap in the face to its fan base because this is a team that should be competing for a top 3 spot in the Conference and certainly a cup contender, but almost halfway through the season they’re definitely not either of those. They’re a team who will compete at the bottom of the bracket and grab a 1st round entry into the playoffs against a much finer tuned team. As a fan I’m not interested in my team squeaking into the playoffs and “hoping” for a run… I’d much rather prefer a team who knows who they are as an “identity”, and have the players they need in order to win a Stanley Cup… which they most certainly don’t as of right now. I’m definitely not holding my breath for a jaw dropping trade by Bruins management, especially a deadline blockbuster because as history would say, Chiarelli has been less than average in deadline trade day deals.
Damn…I would have liked to see Perron in Vancouver….
I’m sure that Edmonton is saying the same thing after this trade!!! They wish Perron was back home!!!