The latest on Cody Franson and Jaromir Jagr, plus updates on the Coyotes, Ducks, Bruins and Senators.
Stars, Ducks interested in Cody Franson?
NICHOLS ON HOCKEY: SPORTSNET’s Elliotte Friedman believes the Ducks are expected to make a move for a defenseman and have been linked to Toronto Maple Leafs blueliner Cody Franson. TSN’s Darren Dreger reports he could see the Dallas Stars having some interest in Franson…Bob McKenzie believes the Arizona Coyotes (Antoine Vermette, Zbynek Michalek, possibly Keith Yandle), Anaheim Ducks and LA Kings could be ready to deal leading up to the March trade deadline…Pierre LeBrun believes the Ducks and Nashville Predators are worth watching as the deadline approaches…
SPECTOR’S NOTE: Franson would be a good rental player for the Stars or Ducks. If he plays well, whichever teams acquires him will have his exclusive negotiation rights leading up to the start of the UFA period on July 1, giving them the inside track. I also believe the Kings will try to get into the bidding for Franson, hence their attempt to shed Mike Richards via waivers…The Coyotes will be sellers between now and the trade deadline, with Vermette and Michalek the most likely trade candidates.
NORTHJERSEY.COM: Tom Gulitti reports New Jersey Devils winger Jaromir Jagr knows he could be among the players GM Lou Lamoriello could move leading up to the March 2 trade deadline. Though Jagr lacks a no-trade clause, he expects interested teams will likely wish to speak to him before completing a deal.
SPECTOR’S NOTE: Despite his age, the almost 43-year-old Jagr could still be effective as a second or third line winger on a playoff team, providing considerable experience and leadership.
CSNNE.COM: Joe Haggarty responded to reader questions regarding possible moves for the Boston Bruins. He doesn’t believe they need to find a third-line winger. Haggarty feels they should pursue “a veteran right winger like Chris Stewart, Michael Ryder or Jaromir Jagr to man the right side with David Krejci and Milan Lucic”, which would allow rookie winger David Pastrnak to slip down to the third line. He believes Buffalo’s Drew Stafford could also be a good acquisition. He doesn’t believe the Bruins will put in a waiver claim for LA Kings center Mike Richards, citing his expensive contract and the Bruins limited cap space.
SPECTOR’S NOTE: That limited cap space could prevent Bruins GM Peter Chiarelli from making any bold moves leading up to the trade deadline. While I expect Chiarelli will do something it’ll likely be a bargain deal.
OTTAWA SUN: Chris Hofley reports long-time Senators Chris Phillips and Chris Neil have spoken with GM Bryan Murray regarding their futures in Ottawa. Murray recently said he’d consider trading Phillips or Neil if the right deal presented itself at the trade deadline. Neither player was willing to look too far down the road.
SPECTOR’S NOTE: If the Senators fail to gain significant ground in the Eastern Conference standings (where they’re currently 10 points out of playoff contention) Murray will become a seller. Phillips or Neil, as well as pending UFA blueliner Marc Methot, could be shopped.
I fully expect Franson to go on and play well somewhere else…they all do once they leave (except Raymond), *fingers crossed for Ritchie from the Ducks*
Ritchie from the Ducks??? Might as well as for a first rounder too! Franson will stay with the leafs because they’re asking too much for him and then he’ll leave for nothing in the summer. I think the only way the leafs get anything for him is if they lower their asking price or if they trade his rights between the draft and July 1st.
The leafs and their fans severely over value their players. The leafs are slowly becoming the oilers of the east.
Has nothing to do with the Leafs and more to do with how sought after d-man seem to be this year. Franson and even Phillips will be expensive. Every year teams always pay it.
No need to argue about it last week we were arguing trade partners for Richards and what it would cost to get him, turns out L.A couldnt give him away.
there will be a bidding war for franson I don’t think they will get Ritchie but emerson etem would be available
ritchie or emerson? hahaha, keep dreaming. there might be a bidding ware but doesn’t mean bidding war escalate that high. i could see a second rounder and another lower pick being offered. maybe a mid level prospect but you don’t for a second think they will trade their better prospects for a rental. geez, overpaymet batman!
ritchie or emerson? hahaha, keep dreaming. there might be a bidding war but doesn’t mean bidding war escalate that high. i could see a second rounder and another lower pick being offered. maybe a mid level prospect but you don’t for a second think they will trade their better prospects for a rental. geez, overpaymet batman!
broken… im not a leafs fan etem hasn’t been able to bring it to the nhl that’s why a say etem no picks with that just etem
So you think no one will call but 1 team that has a guy that wont be any decent in the NHL?
@ Dino
Yes it is a matter of Leafs fans over valuing their players. Top line defensemen like Myers and Yandle are sought after and will command a top prospect like Ritchie in return. Franson would get something like a late first (20’s somewhere) plus a mid-level prospect like Kevin Roy from Anaheim.
I agree completely that is exactly what Franson will go for, Late first rounder + mid to low level prospect.
no offense, but myers yandle and franson are all bums (OK players) and really only worth a high 2nd to late 1st pick. None of them are worth a high 1st rounder unless its going to put a team over the top. With those 3 that’s a big if
And Id argue this year 1st round pick is worth more than Ritchie…again not trying to over value Franson. That package is probably a higher value..but let the choir sing lol
Fasterway to move up in the draft…Nik Ritchie and a first round pick or 2 first round picks in the top 20 this year?
Beyond dumb to argue the package you just said the Leafs could get for Franson is not worth more than Ritchie. You are just arguing because Franson is a Leaf and you have heard the name Ritchie before.
I guarantee the Leafs get very good value for Franson.
1 quite a few teams looking (increased bidding)
2 top 4 D man
3 top 20 D in points over the past 3 years.
4 right handed
5 size
6 affordable short contract
he either gets a very good prospect, or a decent prospect and a good pick.
I doubt I am overvaluing Franson as much as you overvalue Ritchie.
@shticky and if you’re wrong, you’ll take a week off from posting? In the end he’s a rental, some one might very well over pay as they often do, then you look at what Montreal gave up to get Vanek at the trade dealine last year and it wasn’t much.
No guarantee that its Ritchie but ya I d be willing to take a week off posting if Franson doesnt get a pretty good return similar to what I said, what are the haters willing to put up? lol lets make it interesting…
I want in on this action.
A top 10 pick who has lost some value this year, how did he look as 1 of the biggest guys at this years world JRs? like 1 of the 10 best?
He looked like Brad Isbister- nuff said…deal I do seeing going down is Lupul to NYI…now that Okposo is hurt..
If he’s so damn good, why don’t the Leafs keep him?
Cant afford another long term deal?
@Schticky
1 – Always quite a few teams looking
2 – He’s a 3-4 defenseman at best. Lets not sugar coat it by saying he’s top 4.
3 – Not including this season so far Franson has only been in the top 20 for scoring for defensemen once I believe. Which was the shortened season.
4 – RH handed shot is also a good plus.
5 – Definite plus on the size
6 – Of course it’s a short cheap contract. He’s UFA. Usually everyone dealt on deadline day is a cheap UFA contract.
He WON’T get a very good prospect because hey you aren’t dangling Yandle in front of these guys. Your also dangling a guy who doesn’t wanna be there anymore so in all honesty you may get lets say from the Ducks their first rounder next season and mid-level prospect. Nothing more. Like you aren’t going to get Ritchie unless you plan on giving them a 1st along with Franson.
wow you are an idiot. while i completely agree sometimes leaf fans overvalue their players but come on. franson is 14th in points, more pp point, hits plus minus and total points than, pieterangelo, doughty, keith. i’m not saying he is better than any of those but dont make it seem like he is worthless. he is worth less than those players but how much less? i assume you give up say, a first and a op prospect for any of the three i named? so assuming that a first round pick this year ad one last year are about the same value, is franson worth half of the people he is statistically better than this year? i would just love to hear your argument.
i think richie for franson is perfect.
He is also -12 in the last 10 games, and only 1 goal in that span.
His numbers where padded earlier in the year when the Leafs where in the playoff picture.
Being a ufa, and a high price to retain…I can’t see a great prospect, but you might get a second round pick for him.
Hmmm 3 year sample size or the past 10 games…..hmmm
matty….he is a UFA at the seasons end that means no guarantee the team that trades for him is gonna have him long term!! look what the habs gave up for vanek last year!! a 2nd and a prospect that doesn’t look like he will ever play in the nhl
True but that was after he had already been traded and after the playoffs…what did the Sabres get for Vanek? Not saying thats what Franson would cost but….1 single prospect is along way off a steep price.
shticky….all im saying is there is a very low chance they resign franson and all the other gms know that. perron got a first but he has another yr after this one and franson wont get a ritchie I think more like an etem but that’s with no picks included
forget it man. you can’t argue with leaf fans and the void of logic. I love when they bring out statistics to compare players and what their value is. it’s very vy in terms of evaluating talent. thank goodness GMs do their due delignece. stats can be padded and depending on how players are being utilise they can also have their stats make them appear to be much better than they are. remember Bergeron the Power play specialist? he had great stats but he could barely find NHL work. the fact that players are also evaluated for their overall play and the extra they bring to the game is the real value of a player. armchair GMs with their trade proposals from looking stats up on TSN should try ad watch real games and make inteligent proposals or comparisons.
I’m sure there will be a bidding war for franson but people equate that to overpayment. it probably means that a GM will be offering 2ND and a mid level prospect that is better then another GM’s 2nd and his other prospect. it won’t escalate to a top prospect. if someone gets really desperate they might tag a 2nd turns into a conbditional 1st if resigned.
Seen Ritchie play this year? I have… more than few times now, if he is the Ducks “top prospect” Id say they better start rethinking their prospects..he is a decemt prospect but not in the likes of many of the other top 10s last year. I think he fills a need on the Leafs, but he is not even currently in the top 30 prospects in the league…a long way off many of the others who went in the top 10 last year like Ehlers Nylander Dal colle Lazar Weinberg and others….before you open your mouth about stats, some actually watch the players and base their opinion on the player from seeing him comparing him to others in a game) then using stats to make up their mind about their opinion…Ritchie is a decent prospect who has looked not great this year but fills a need and still hasnt played a game in the NHL…who is over valuing who?
broken…totally agree the leafs are dealing at such a disadvantage its kinda of pathetic! so far from a rebuild but so far from a contender! whatever they think they can get it will be less
shticky…how can you put nylander on there as playing better than Ritchie?? the world juniors nylander played ok against the weaker teams but he was no where to be seen against the stronger teams?
The NhL list Ritchie at 35 among prospects, he didnt even make the top 30 on Hockey prospectus he didnt make top 50 in hockey future….He is 6’3 220 lbs playing 17 year old Kids considerably smaller than he is the majority of them will never see a pro game…Nylander is top 30 in just about every scoutin source top 10 in a few, is the same age as Ritchie 20 30 lbs lighter and is playing professional hockey against men, who plays the easier competition?
Not sure what deluded world you live in jello but when your dealing a right handed big dman at the trade deadline you are dealing at a massive advantage…
lol I don’t what deluded world you live in darcy but he is a ufa!! the whole league knows the leafs have a very slim chance of resigning him they are dealing from such a disadvantage its not funny! keep dreaming leaf fans you’ve done it for 48yrs and the leafs are not even close to becoming a contender or a rebuild cause of the stupid contracts they’ve signed but you guys are right look at the numbers these guys have put up they are gonna fetch a boatload!! lmao its too bad other gms don’t just look at the stats rather than the overall game cause if you traded all the big contracts you might even make the playoffs other than a shortened season!! wooohooo
How is Nick Ritchie a “boatload”? I didnt say they were goi g to get a load of picks and prospects I said 1 prospect who many dont think is even a teams top prospect for that mater even in the top 3 prospects of the Ducks when you look at theur goalies…Rakell, Noesen Bobkov and Gibson are all generally ranked higher than Ritchie…but feel free to rant on some more.
shticky…lets put this in perspective if the leafs were in anaheims spot would they trade nylander for franson(a ufa)?? nylander taking 2 spots before Ritchie!! both still young and unproven? now take the rose coloured glasses off and answer honestly!
Perspectove is Ritchie isnt the Ducks “best” prospect, If the Leafs were wamting to make a run for a cup, yes I would trade a guy in the OHL who hasnt yet seen an NHL game to get a top 4 D.
lol I asked if you would trade if you would trade nylander? lets be honest shticky neither nylander or Ritchie are proving just potential! so would you trade nylander for franson? simple question
you say cause nylander is above Ritchie in rankings for prospects that he is better well Jacob markstrom was ranked very high for prospects for years and where is he now? there are MANY others
@Jello, Doesn’t that last statement contradict everything you are arguing? If Nylander has the possibility of not panning out, and is ranked higher than Ritchie……Couldn’t the same be said about Ritchie and his value?
jello it depends on the team and finance.
Switch it around. Its actually a sound business /financial decision to not have term unless you want the player long term, even at the cost of losing assets because its for playoffs and additional revenue. That’s the whole point of trades at this time (before salary cap)
Lets say LA needs a Dman for a cup run and has no cap space next year or just doesn’t need that player during regular season (ie. Mike Richards)… then a no contract is better value because u get the cup run ($$$) AND don’t play salary afterwards, which means more profit for you.
I understand your view, but just wanted to point this out in case its not being considered
Don’t forget most owners prefer money than players (leafs lol).
If we were owners and it was Richie or miss playoffs ($5mil a Round or whatever) then bye bye ritchie
Perspective is at the World Juniors Ritchie and Guathier played on the same line produced close to the same are both first round picks and if the Leafs were in the Ducks same position needing a D man yes Id give up Gauthier…Ritchie is not the Ducks best prospect.
Ya of course you do. Your a Laughs fan right. Next we will be hearing Phaneuf for McDavid.
Jes youre a Sabres fan…really slaming another fan base? You realize the Sabres have been bad a long tme too right and have as many cups as the Leafs have in the past 44 years?
And the degradation continues. I will change the world one day. Haha
another drunk non hockey fan
I’ve seen worse players get a first rounder. Hence paul gaustad to the preds for a first.
A top 10 pick-I think you may be dreaming.
I am not a Ritchie fan but would really wonder if they could land Shea Theodore instead. Pipe dream maybe- but I agree with you they aren’t trading franson for a 2nd rounder from a contender which is a late pick and a B prospect. Its either a 1st or a better prospect. Side note- haven’t been this excited for a deadline day as a Leaf fan in ages…we have never been sellers…like this.
ha!!!! They’ll stand pat, and say they think they can still make the playoffs.
lol Dont think that thought hasnt crossed my mind too
….Nonis is an idiot, but I have a bit of hope still, that the new guys are not.
Ritchie isn’t going anywhere but as a Ducks fan I would love to see Franson on the point because he would be an excellent fit. If the deal would go down I would expect the Ducks to give up some youth and depth which will help Toronto build
Ducks: CODY FRANSON
Leafs: NICOLAS KERDILES/MAT CLARK/LOUIS LEBLANC/IGOR BOBKOV
Those are the types of players Toronto could use to help them get the kind of depth the Ducks have.
Leblanc will likely never be more than a 4rth liner if he even makes the NHL.
Most likely someone like Etem + a 3rd round pick.
Don’t forget he is a rental
agreed alforducks!!
as mentioned in article…teams that own ufa’s have the 1st chance to retain services prior to ufa hitting open market. that has value
Lol Ritchie in exchange for Franson? Are you friggin nuts Schticky? Wow Leafs fans try to be within reason. Ritchie was taken 10th overall in a real deep draft bud. Asking a top 10 pick in a real deep draft for Franson is pretty astronomical for a 30 point and minus defenseman. He hasn’t really shown any signs of improvement to be worth that type of price. Keep those fingers crossed. All you guys will get is a late first. Not getting a highly touted prospect. Lol…
jes….bang on
As doubtful as it is that franson will get the leafs Ritchie, Ritchie was NOT taken in a deep draft, it was one of the weakest drafts in years where the majority of first rounders aren’t expected to be more then role players and 2nd liners at best, and even though Ritchie is man sized, he played in a league with kids and was only ok
No sense trying to talk sense Bmac…funny thing is Jes is saying Franson could probably get a first and a prospect this year…in otherwords as long as there is a name associated with the pick noway but a first in the best draft in years? Ok!….
He currently has 29 point in 49 games…111 points last 180 games…thats aways off a 30 pont D man pace, closer to 45-50 point D man over the past 3 years if you look at games played…Jes why dont you tell us what Tyler Myers +/- is overthe past 3 seasons and his point totals if they are such importance dosent he have 38 points in thst same span and a minus 42?…something like that? What was the excuse again?
Bob Murray is far too competent to let a prospect like Ritchie go for Franson.
Why would Boston want Richards they already have the center position filled. I don’t see Stewart as an upgrade but also haven’t seen much of him the last couple years. Bruins are healthy make your run now and if March 2nd you feel you need some help then maybe see what’s out there. Boston needs to start playing there young players and let a few older players go.
Richards of course not. No cap space.
I would keep Pasternak on that top line for a bit longer. Just starting to get some chemistry. I would like to see Jagr or Ryder for some third line duty and fill in for Pasternak if he slows down. Just wouldnt over pay for them no first rounder and not Philadelphia’s second. I Think this team is just starting to play well together. Defense looks good. just need a bit more scoring fourth line needs an upgrade. A guy like Stewart or Stafford could help out the third or fourth line RW. Caron should be in the AHL.
How Caron plays on this team with so much talent in Provedence is beyond me. Not that the talent down there is so great but he has had way more chances than any drifter should have!
The Bruins need at least one right winger that can put the puck in the net. Krejci is one of the best playmakers in the game. He needs somebody to score for him. Losing Iggy was massive. And as fas as Caron goes… he should try a different sport. He’s just awful and has had far too many chances. But I have zero faith in Chiarelli so probably nothing will change and it will be a first round exit… IF they make the playoffs.
Agree Scott losing Iggy and waiting all summer and fall for some kind of trade and still waiting for Chia to do something. I don’t know why he didn’t package Boychuk and some picks or prospects and salary for a top right wing. I Still think Eberle could be acquired for a longer term move. I Wouldn’t move Pasternak but I would do Subban with picks,prospects and salary.
Krejci one of the best play makers in the game? LOL that’s funny considering he’s averaging half an assist per game at 7.25 million per season. Maybe future Mike Richards?
One would think L.A. moved Richards to the Waiver wire in order to free up room to make a trade. Yandle, Franson?
As I understand it,with Richards clearing waivers and being demoted to the AHL, the Kings have effectively freed up $900,000. Don’t know how much that helps. More moves to come?
Still shocked Richards is on waivers, hope Calgary grabs him for nothing.
Franson has huge trade value, if Buffalo is asking for a first rounder and a prospect for Stewart then Nonis is probably up and around there for Franson. Would figure a 1st rounder will get it done.
Actually might fit ok there for a while…good guy for Bennett and Monahan to be around. Not sure about going down the road but for a couple years could be worth it.
I think this motivates the heck out of him, if he gets claimed that is. Would think he has a lot of pride, Bennent and Mony could learn a lot from him. Don’t see his cap hit being a problem for the Flames.
ya, great guy to have around to show them how to ruin your body and game with the excess of life. why do you think he was run out of philly? why do you think his play has gone down so much past s game? has there not been enough made about his off-ice activites? that is not a guy you want molding your superstars.
Holy I see someone woke up and guzzled their Hate-A-Rade.
I dont think he would harm the youth on any team, I think this is going to be a huge wake up call for him. Either that or he should just retire before he turns into Wade Redden down in the AHL.
Maybe a good fit for Calgary if the Kings hold back $2.3 Million per year.
Calgary has a lot of space for a few years, I am sure if they talked to the Kings they didnt want to take on all that money. But it also might open up some other doors for them to make other moves. But the truth is the 5 year term is a killer for any team picking him up.
I’d be disappointed to see the Leafs move Franson. However if the return was a top prospect and a 1st round pick they would have to jump on it. Even a first round pick is do-able. They should just tell him that the door is open after July 1st and if he wants to come back to hold off before re-signing anywhere. If Franson is able to fetch a 1st and prospect, Phanuef should get at least as much regardless of his contract. Franson is still at this point playing as a top 2 “Complimentary” dman, which is what the consensus on Phanuef seems to be as well. 7 million dollars aside, there are teams weak on D that have the cap space to take Phanuef and the assets to land him. Leafs may need to either take a contract back or retain some $$$ but if Nonis is committed to unloading Franson before Phanuef then Shanahan should be stepping in and firing him now. At least with Franson the Leafs have the opportunity to sign him to a lower cap hit and shorter term (5/5 or 6/5) and should get comparable value. It could easily be argued that Florida is further along in their rebuild than the Leafs, and swapping Phanuef for Campbell would basically be a $ for $ swap but Campbell only has one more full season under his deal. Florida gets a much younger better Dman and the Leafs are free from Phanuef’s cap hit.
At this point realistically the Leafs are 5 years off from being a possible contender, and Phanuef and Kessel will not be the same players they are now and have more value as trade chips than players. If the Leafs think they can plug a few pieces in and make this team a contender then history has taught them nothing.
Bernier is also a very strong trade chip right now. Yes he isn’t having a season like he did last year, but as a young goalie and RFA, any team that is on the bubble or has made the playoffs despite questionable goaltending would benefit greatly from Bernier. If a rebuild (IF) is the road the Leafs are going down, then Reimer is more than up to the task of manning the net for the next 3 seasons. Bernier could fetch a top prospect or potentially another 1st round pick.
Kessel might go somewhere at the draft when clubs have the space. I personally think that although he is an elite talent, he doesn’t do anything to make THIS team elite. Will the Leafs get fleeced in the deal? I guess that depends on who the GM is at the time and whether or not Kessel has decided he wants out.
So I guess what I’m trying to argue here is that without making any unrealistic trades (O’Reilly/Landeskog/Ekblad/Weber etc) is that if the Leafs want to re-tool, and still have enough players to ice a hockey club next season, moving Bernier, Franson and/or Phanuef, and is where I believe they should start.
Richards to the Flames makes a lot of sense. As for Franson, I really hope they keep and re-sign him – lots of other trade candidates to choose instead.
The value for Franson isn’t as high as you may think it is. He obviously wants to leave Toronto. I know some people will say he said he wants to stay. But in all honesty all UFA’s to be say that. So knowing that other GM’s will take advantage. Murray has his price too high for Stewart in the beginning of the season because hey prices are high at the beginning of the season. Prices will drop. That’s probably why Franson is still with the Leafs and Stewart is still with the Sabres.
Richards to NYI, would be ideal – team could use him up the middle, and with OKO out it provides stability and scoring on the 2nd line… will provide great experience and leadership to a team i think can go far in the EAST this year!!
As a Ranger fan you think I’d be all over the Islander making a huge mistake. But I have to say, the Islanders would be CRAZY to pick up this contract. They already have Tavares, Nielson, Nelson, Cizikas down the middle. And a handful of other guys like Strome, Graboski and Lee that can play center. Mike Richards will not provide any scoring stability at all in NY. Hence why he is on waivers in LA.
I would not be surprised if someone picks up Richards and finds out he is a steal. Perhaps the Kings would not able to trade him as other teams knew they would put him on waivers to make another move to bring in help with a higher price ticket. Aka, Franson or Yandle.
I am just speculating though. Yet Richards was a key contributor to the Kings past cups and has been asked to play many roles on the team and always agreed to do whatever he was asked.
He could very well be picked up and surprise us all and become a 2nd line centre again or one of those 3rd line guys that does key plays at key times to push a team through the playoffs.
I am not convinced the Kings placing him on waivers was because no one was interested in him, they could of known he go to waivers and they could get him by giving up nothing. If he doesn’t get picked up well then the situation would be evident.
That is an awfully large/long term commitment for a guy “that may return to form”. My honest opinion is he will not return to form. I am more than sure that there was interest in Richards. Ultimately, teams had to decide if now “maybes” were worth the long term risk. It appears that answer was no, he isn’t. Realistically, (as someone mentioned yesterday) There are probably 6-7 teams that could have taken on his contract. But out of the 6-7, most are teams looking to shed dead weight/contracts, or teams like NYI, that have to deal with UFA’s RFA’s in the off season. And dealing for Richards would have not been beneficial long term.
yeah your right. that is a lengthy contract to take up. It would suck for Richards to be relegated to the minor leagues due to the length of his contract. Yet I am sure he can buy a nice mattress and Blanket if he has trouble sleeping cause of this.
I still think he could be traded. But LA is going to have to take a bad contract in return (more than a pending ufa in term). Either way like you say, I doubt Richards loses any real sleep over living out that contract in the AHL. Not a chance he walks away from that deal.
Isles would be crazy to pick Richards up. They don’t need him. Only team that could actually use him are the Oilers.
Maybe the Oilers grab him for Petry straight up?
Richards will clear waivers if any gm were to pick that contract up should be escorted out the door. Term and money too long and too costly. LA would have to trade him for nothing or another bad contract and eat half the salary.
your are 100% correct..
If the Ducks think this is the year for them they will do whatever it takes to land what they need, even Ritchie for Franson. They could negotiate a conditional pick if Franson does not resign with them.
I think if any team could take Richards it would be Buffalo. Sabres could ask LA to take either Torrey Mitchell 1.9 million for balance of this year or Cody McCormick 1.5 million for 2 more seasons after this one. Either way the Sabres should also ask for one of the Kings second round pick. They own two, one from the Leafs and one from the Sabres. LA should keep the better pick for themselves trade the other (it will be close, HA HA!). Kings get out from that contract and free up 3.75 to 4.25 million to pick up another contract. Kings can ask for a 3rd or 4th round pick to make the deal palatable to both teams. Sabres have the cap space and they will be unloading Stewart somehow and possibly not resigning Stafford or Kaleta, so may need some help getting to the cap floor. They have a ton of first round draft picks but still will not be contending for another 3 to 4 years, and Richards would be a great mentor along the lines of Gionta (now 36 with 2 years left on deal after this year) and Josh Gorges. Richards could be the veteran to help see them through. When you look at the UFA market for forwards this summer, Richards is as good if not better than most, adding 2 recent Stanley Cups experiences to the room. He would be the only one on that team. Bash away!
It makes absolutely no sense from a Sabres prospective to get Richards. They are already loaded with a lot of talent down the middle that will be ready in the next two years Girgensons, Compher, Ennis, Hodgson, Grigorenko and who ever our first rounder is this season. Sabres will not bring him in. It’s the exact reason why they don’t need ROR. Neither of these guys play offense at all which the Sabres desperately need. They are good defensively however but lack offense. Offensive wing is what we are looking for. The only centers on Murray’s mind right now are McDavid and Eichel.
Can’t wait foe Compher . Sand – paper!
Well he cleared, maybe there is still a trade in the works. Wonder how long he stays in the AHL.
Sometimes I feel bad for the Leafs lol, sometimes. Franson is a good player and one that I think would be a great piece for them to keep around. Everyone makes mistakes out there but I think he’s been the team’s best D and he’s just coming into his prime. This is a perfect example why the GM should take some of the blame for this team. He inherited a bubble playoff team and has made zero improvements and they are getting worse. Plus signing the Clarkson contract, taking significant money away to sign good young players like Franson. They are pretty handcuffed cap wise as everyone knows and I think they would resign him if they had the space. If he gets traded, I think he will thrive with his new team and Leafs fans will once again be knocking their heads against a wall asking why their GM traded him.
At the time of the Clarkson signing and the other Free agents and trades most Leaf fans thought that they had signed the depth to balance the talent on the top 2 lines. Its not Fransons fault, but he will be traded because he will want 5 or more million per year as a UFA, and someone will give it to him, but not the Leafs because they cannot afford it. I hope Franson earns it, because most guys playing for a contract fall back somewhat, save for a few exceptions.
I’m with Shticky on the whole Franson thing. He can get a decent return (good but not great prospect and a 2nd-3rd round pick). Look at any trades in the cap era involving top 4 defensemen. They’re highly sought after. Remember when the Leafs flipped Beauchemin for Gardiner (who was at one point considered a good prospect) and Lupul?
Don’t let the fact he is a rental fool you, or use the Vanek trade as a starting point. Bergevin knew Snow had to recoup something for Vanek before he walked. If Nonis plays his cards right he can get a decent return.
Ps- I am not a Leafs fan.
Didnt Vanek also get traded with minutes to go before the deadline?
Probably had something to do with the low return.
the only reason vanek went for nothing cause every gm knew he wasn’t gonna resign that’s the only reason same with franson the leafs wont be able to afford his cap hit next yr so they have to trade him and the gms know that! he could get more than vanek but he might not he is a ufa that is gonna demand 5plus how many teams are gonna take a chance giving up a lot for a guy that might not resign?? the leafs are behind the 8ball and the league knows it!
Close Jello, but Everyone knew Vanek wanted to go play in Minny thats why the return was so low.
As for Franson, they will more then likely allow teams to talk to him first so they could get an idea of what he is looking for extension wise. I still stand by my original post that Franson’s return will be big, even bigger if he agrees to an extension with his new team.
jello on January 27, 2015 at 5:57 pm
broken… im not a leafs fan etem hasn’t been able to bring it to the nhl that’s why a say etem no picks with that just etem
How sure are you jello that Franson wont get more than a third round pick? Or a player that wil never be any good in the NHL but not both? Ill bet that Franson at least gets a second and a decent prospect, or a good prospect and no pick. You bet that he is worth no more than a third. Loser dosent post here anymore? Want to take that bet?
He said Etem + 3rd rounder.
I say Franson atleast gets a 1st minimum this is a top 4 dman who can rack up points and is having a fairly good year on a so so team.
I think the part leaf bashers are missing is that the fact he is a rental is also what makes him appealing..no ties beyond this year- if he does well they have time to sign him- if he does poorly- cost us a prospect and pick and they walk away…This is a day and age where many GMS would consider dealing a 2nd just to get rid of a bad contract.! The rental isn’t always a bad thing…and I agree with schticky and actually believe they may even land a 1st…I doubt Leafs take a 2nd from a top 5 team (55-60 overall) and a decent prospect..
lol I’m getting old and maybe my reading comprehension is going but in the thing I copied and pasted it says Etem and no pick..and Etem hasnt brought it to the NHL…blah blah blah. I’m willing to back up what I said…is Jello? (For once)
alforducks said Etem and 3rd, jello responded with agreed.
shticky… where did I once mention a third?? I said etem and a third? what about Ritchie shticky?? lol you’ve already flip flopped as usual!!
and shticky I have too much fun hearing you complain to lyle that I shouldn’t be allowed to post on here!! lmao what are you 8?? lol
Ya no idea why Id complain about trolls and mention you as probably the biggest example on the site…anyway guess Ill take your backtracking pussyfooting around as a no? once again Jello just rambles on…
wah wah wah lyle shticky isn’t agreeing with MY OPINION!! please kick him off he is constantly trolling me that’s what trolling is right disagreeing with my opinion? lol shticky just rambling on…..
jello on January 27, 2015 at 4:58 pm
shticky….all im saying is there is a very low chance they resign franson and all the other gms know that. perron got a first but he has another yr after this one and franson wont get a ritchie I think more like an etem but that’s with no picks included
Im sorry jello….you were saying something about flip flopping?
lol ok flip flop you said ritchie
Holu smokes youre a tool, I know I said Ritchie…I still am. Ritchie for Franson is not a bad deal. That is the least Id want from the Ducks.
wow you are dumb!! no way ducks give up Ritchie for a ufa! that’s the reason the leafs are bad and ducks are good cause they don’t do that!
ya jes but if you want that new car but don’t want to pay that much and maybe if you wait the price will drop…opps nope sold.
could go either way – franson would garner 5 teams serious interest…serious people usually will offer a little more to beat the next person.
All depends on if teams WANT him or not.
I’d compare Franson’s price ending up like what Andrew MacDonald got for NYI last season. Maybe a 1st from a desperate team but nothing like Ritchie.
Jeezus jes have you seen Ritchie play? At the world Juniors he was on a 4th line with Fred Gauthier, (Leafs first round pick prior year) they played pretty well as a pair defensively, his ceiling is maybe second more likely third liner Ritchie has some time with Gauthier and Ive seen quite a bit of him in JR hockey this is why I like the kid…no one is trying to rob the Ducks of some duper star player… he is never going to be some goalscoring machine…he is not some premium prospect the same as Gauthier is not…how many people here would be all over a Leaf fan for suggesting Fred Gauthier for a top 4 d man is nuts? And Gauthier is a center.
I don’t buy the Richards for Phaneuf deal. I would be more inclined to guess LA was looking at Franson. Would there not be some tension between Sutter and Phaneuf given their history? LA has a solid room, would it help to introduce a nimrod like Phaneuf?
lol good laugh.
my neighbors name is nimrod or at least that’s what ive been calling him and he hasn’t complained
Brodeur retired. I guess that puts a nail in that rumor coffin! Thank GOD!!!!
Not until he finally works for the Devils…lol
Marty to NJ for the stick boy and a 4th?
All you guys bashing leaf fans….do yourselves a favour and go look at the last 10 years at trade deadline time. Tell me what any top 4 dman went for,..rental or not. Franson will most likely end up in Nashville, Anaheim or Calgary for a mid level prospect and second or third round pick.
It’s too bad he isn’t a left handed D-man. If the cost is only a 2nd and a mid level prospect, I’d LOVE to see him in NY! Being a right handed guy, I can’t see it happening. I could see Detroit making a serious run at him.
CALM DOWN BUDDY!!!!
We are all saying he goes for that; but there are people on this board that think Franson will go for a highly touted prospect like Nick Ritchie and a pick. Which is extremely laughable. You guys will end up with most likely mid-level prospect and a 2nd rounder. If you are lucky that 2nd rounder could become a 1st.
@Jes,
is “CALM DOWN BUDDY!!!!” Your favorite line from a movie or something? I don’t get it, nobody appears to be over excited other than yourself?
If Franson brings the return everyone thinks-I would expect more for Brayden Colburn.
Dreger has Lupul potentially going to the Blues…not any prospects in St. Louis that would hold much interest for the Leafs. Maybe a 2nd round pick?
How much of that contract are the Leafs picking up? Because no one wants a $5.25 million band-aid.
While I’d say there are some Leaf proposals on here that are twisted and reaching. I’d also say that some here under value ANY Leafs players simply because they are a Leaf player. Granted, the Leafs have some players that are difficult to move. Phaneuf, Lupul and Clarkson…..and even Gardiner. But not every Leaf player is a useless turd. And in fairness…..I’ve seen PLENTY of people over rate players from NYR’s, NYI’s, Sens, Ducks, Canadians, Philly, Buffalo,LA etc. etc. etc. And come up with insane one sided trade proposals that wouldn’t even happen in on your Xbox. People in glass houses…….
” that wouldn’t even happen ON your Xbox.
GMs trading players hoping somebody will panic, blink and overpay in advance of the deadline just to get the upper hand. Or just be stupid, like trading Forsberg for a medium prospect and a washed up winger.
Prices will come down as we get closer to the deadline. A rental is a rental, to be driven hard for a short time, then you turn the key in to the next owner.
Schticky – thanks for throwing the Ritchie for Franson deal out there. It is intriguing to say the least. It is a great target for the Leafs because you’re right his value isn’t that high right now. Great size, can move, shoot the puck, but he doesn’t utilize those skills enough hence his value isn’t that high and there are questions regarding his willingness to do what it takes to be a good NHL player. Big guys do take longer. High possible risk or reward as he could flop or be a force.
The Ducks have a real chance to win now, that doesn’t happen often and they may just do it. As a Bruins fan and my B’s still paying Iggy’s bonus I get that. At least they gave it a go.
None of us really have a clue what deal the Leafs will make but this idea is at least interesting.