The latest on Joe Thornton, Patrick Marleau, Ryan O’Reilly, Milan Lucic, Andrej Sekera, Jeff Petry, Zack Kassian and more.
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Sabres interested in Ryan O’Reilly?
TSN.CA: Pierre LeBrun believes Florida Panthers forward Sean Bergenheim could be traded by Monday. The Montreal Canadiens, Winnipeg Jets and Vancouver Canucks are interested. The asking price is a third-round pick, which the Canucks lack in this year’s draft…Darren Dreger reports the Jets are willing to move a blueliner for Bergenheim or Toronto Maple Leafs forward Daniel Winnik. They’re also willing to trade the rights of forward Alex Burmistrov, who’s spent the past two seasons in the KHL…Bob McKenzie reports the Los Angeles Kings, New York Rangers, Tampa Bay Lightning and Pittsburgh Penguins have interest in Carolina Hurricanes blueliner Andrej Sekera…The Edmonton Oilers are trying again to re-sign defenseman Jeff Petry before the trade deadline…LeBrun claims the Buffalo Sabres are keen to acquired Colorado Avalanche forward Ryan O’Reilly and are willing to offer up their other first-round pick as part of the deal.
NICHOLS ON HOCKEY: LeBrun reports there’s no talk of the San Jose Sharks shopping Joe Thornton or Patrick Marleau. Until they ask to be traded, there won’t be any further discussions on the matter…Vancouver Canucks GM Jim Benning appeared on TSN 1040 and admitted he’s spoken with several teams regarding winger Zack Kassian, but he’s not actively shopping him.
SPECTOR’S NOTE: If the Jets are willing to move Burmistrov’s rights along with one of their extra defensemen it could fetch them a good top-nine forward…I’ll be very surprised if the Oilers re-sign Petry. Hey, good for them if they do, but I just don’t see it when he has a chance to be dealt to a contender and perhaps sign with one in the offseason…The Sabres had better ensure they can re-sign O’Reilly to an extension before trying to acquire him. He’s one year away from UFA status and could bolt for greener pastures…Thornton and Marleau control their fates. If they don’t want to leave, they won’t. Sharks management have themselves to blame as they agreed to re-sign the pair to contracts with full no-trade clauses.
Latest “Short Shifts” from Jim Matheson.
EDMONTON JOURNAL: Jim Matheson wonders if the Boston Bruins might trade Milan Lucic, who’s on pace for only 45 points and will earn $6.5 million next season before his eligibility for UFA status…The LA Kings spoke briefly to the Edmonton Oilers, possibly about defenseman Jeff Petry. Matheson believes the Oilers could try to acquire goalie Martin Jones this summer from the Kings, even if it means taking a contract back from the cap-strapped club…The Columbus Blue Jackets are taking calls on forwards Cam Atkinson and Matt Calvert. They could entertain offers for defenseman James Wisniewski, though they’ll have to take a salary back…Matheson believes Arizona Coyotes blueliner Zbynek Michalek or San Jose Sharks defensema Scott Hannan could be good fits alongside New York Rangers rearguard Dan Boyle…The Pittsburgh Penguins aren’t overly high on Robert Bortuzzo and seek a third-pairing defenseman.
SPECTOR’S NOTE: If the Bruins decide to trade Lucic it’ll happen in the offseason, not the trade deadline. They’re still battling for a playoff berth and won’t move a key player like him now…The Kings might be unwilling to move Jones but could consider it if, say, the Oilers or anyone else was willing to take on Mike Richards’ toxic contract…Atkinson and Calvert are restricted free agents so the Blue Jackets aren’t in any hurry to move them right now.
Late1st, McCabe, and Grigerenko for ROR. Book it.
I know there is a lot of talk about how good / bad or overrated ROR is by some. But if they trade ROR I think they will be looking for immediate help on the blue line. McCabe, Grigerenko can’t land a roster spot on the worst team in the NHL (today). Maybe they have a lot of future potential, but that doesn’t really help them now. I think it won’t be enough.
Totally agreed. Not that St3’s package is unfair, it just doesn’t address the Avs’ biggest need: help on defence now.
Ryan O’Reilly will get a good return but it won’t be a 1st round and two prospects like McCabe and Grigerenko. You’re saying two first round picks and a second for him – really?
Rick Nash was a player that got that type of return and Ryan O’Reilly isn’t close to him at this point in his career.
Ryan O’Reilly is a solid/young player, but a career -15 doesn’t deem that type of return. How you’re a -15 on Buffalo I understand, but not on a good team like the Av’s…
1st round pick (our late pick), Cody Hodgson and Andrej Meszaros is more like it..
Overpayment again ROR what’s his average goals like 10 to Gonna mortgage their future again. Sabres would be seriously lacking depth on defense getting rid of another. They will become the oilers all forwards no defense
can’t wait tell the March 2 deadline! i love reading these rumors! going to call in sick and Enjoy trade deadline day! its alot better then the July free agent signing!
hope my Pens make the right changes!
LOL I book trade deadline off every year. Tell my boss I have a religious observance to attend. She laughs at me and books it off. One year she even asked me what day do the Hockey Gods deem holy this year? Was too funny.
Though I have no inside information on this I tend to think their will come a time when Jones will want to be a Starter. If the Oilers can get him even taking up a toxic contract I am all for it. However could they do something larger say move Eberle and bring back perhaps Toffoli and Jones. Soemthing like that.
would nt the oiler be better suited to try to get either riemer or bernier from Toronto since quote there going into a rebuild mode … jones is what bernier was before Toronto adquired him …just sayin
hes not proven as a starter at least I think you know what you could be getting with either reamer or bernier …plus both have to prove that they can be number 1’s
Well they already have a toronto tender. I don’t like the idea of them picking up another tender and repeating Toronto’s failures. I also have no faith that Reimer is a starter. I do realize that he may have improved and could very well be a starter but since he belly flopped during that epic collapse in the playoffs against boston and had a season where Bernier went down and he was net they plummeted out of the playoff losing something like 14 in a roll. I am not one to take a chance on Reimer as a starter. Like I said I could be wrong but he has not proven to me he can handle the pressure.
Now the same can be said of Jones. Being unproven. But he is unknown to me. I stated before that I believe Jones and Eddy Lack are the two back ups poised to become starters. I like them both. Those are the two goalies I would be going after if I was a team looking for a starting goaltender that wasn’t quite proven. Both have shown they are capable in the limited roll they have in Vancouver and LA.
So being aware that Jones and Lack may very well flop as starters and that Reimer may very will have improved beyond what I think I would take the chances on the two guys I personally really like and think will be starters.
Bernier is different. He is a starter. I am Ok with the Oilers going after him over Lack or Jones. However being a starter I am assuming he’d cost more and perhaps going for someone Like Jones or Lack who are back ups right now would be more cost effective with a huge upside if they do become starters.
The Boston collapse was far far far from reimers fault… he can only do so much when it was 5 v pylons out there for 10 minutes
At what point do we just move on and admit that the game 7 collapse was actually just the Leafs kind of getting kind of lucky for a few games… Kessel and Reimer getting hot for a couple games and the Leafs got beat in the first round by a better team. First round loss. Not like the Leafs were up 3-0 in that series, they were lucky to see game 7.
You guys have valid points but he was in net and that last 5 mins he was on his stomach the most of it.
I do admit in both circumstances it was solely Reimer’s fault. Which is why I do make statements like I could be wrong. That he could very well be better than I give him credit for. However he is still a back up who was involved in some epic collapses and I won’t risk my good assets on him. Let someone else try it out.
In Edmonton’s case they already have Scrivens. Toronto had Scrivens and Reimer. It didnt’ work. Where is the wisdom of Edmonton doing a Scrivens and Reimer combo again. Why doesn’t Edmonton jsut trade Scrivens back to Toronto for Bernier?
Oh and Schticky the point at which I will move on from Reimer and the collapse is when someone gives him the chance to be a starter and he succeeds. However I am not that someone to do that.
ah poop. I have a typo.
I admit it wasn’t all Reimer’s fault. The conjugation didn’t make it out in the type. Sorry to cause confusion. In fact it may have nothing to do with Reimer at all. I just am not the person to give him the 3rd chance.
No, Matt, they wouldn’t
Jones is and has played better than Bernier, and his career record so far is nothing short of impressive.
The Oilers have no interest in Riemer. They have had the chance for many years bnow, and keep opting for guys like Scrivens, Fraith and Bryzgolov of Reimer.
Jones looks to be a solid goalie, and a future top starter. At this point, with the way Bernier and Reimer has struggled in Leaf land, I don’t see how their game would improve in Edmonton with a defense that is just as bad.
So no, they would not be better off to acquire one of those two.
I would say that Jones upside is above both the Toronto’s goalies upsides…and Jones hasn’t been playing for a powerhouse team…the Kings have only just gotten into the playoff picture.
In the 30 games Jones has played in his career, he has 7 shut outs.
Bernier has 9 shut outs in 157 games, and Riemer has 11 in 164 games.
So Jones is at 23% of his games are shut outs.
Bernier is at 5%, and Reimer is at 6%.
I don’t think they are close. Please remeber that the Kings have struggled to make the playoffs in their Cup winning seasons…..so not a regular season powerhouse.
Gary while you’re comparing, did you even stop and think…hey are the Leafs and Kings compatible and similar enough to make your “valid” observations?
@Gary,
I’m not so sure using Jones shut outs is a fair statistic. His numbers are similar to Cam Talbots in NY playing limited games. His (Talbots) numbers as a backup this year, 11 gp, 2.16gaa, .926 save%,3 shut outs. Since having to take the reigns, 8gp, 3.10gaa, .895 save% 0 shut outs. NY has not played very well in front of Talbot, but those are some alarming differences.
While I think Jones could be a starter eventually, I think you’re jumping the shark in using his stats to argue he’s ready to be a starter now. His stats wouldn’t look nearly as good if he were playing for, say, Edmonton or Buffalo. LA has a fantastic team in front of him
My favorite is comparing a guy at 30 games to a guy at over 150 games and drawing conclusions from it.
Agreed. I don’t get how people have all this respect for Jones or Subban, the latter never having played a single game in the NHL, and crap all over guys like Bernier or Reimer who haven’t exactly had any help in front of them. I think too many people try and simplify the most difficult position to build / and mature in the NHL.
The Sens, for example, would take Bernier or Reimer in a flash right now if they find out they have to go any deeper into the season with Hammond in goal.
I was just pointing out that they have had 2 seasons now to bring in Riemer, and have decided guys like Bryzgalov works better from them.
The shutouts are important, as it shows a maturity and confidence in the net at a young age. He isn’t just playing back up, but playing very well when given the chance to play instead of Quick.
I honestly don’t think the Oilers have any interest in Riemer…if they did they would have already gone down that path.
They would probably have a higher interest in Bernier, but it is still unknown if he is even available.
I still don’t think shutouts mean anything….look at Talbot as shown above. Ultimately, he is a back up. Quick has been in no way shape or form threatened by the chance of Jones taking his spot. But much like Talbot, his numbers were outstanding in the role he was given, Jones is unproven. Like I said, NY has played pretty bad in front of Talbot. It seems they have abandoned their d-game all together. But Talbot doesn’t exactly look like a starter either. Sample sizes don’t mean anything in that position. Patrick Lalime, James Carey (Vezina winner) etc. Honestly , I think it is the hardest position to develop in the NHL. Total crap shoot.
Bobrovsky……
Aye Aye…look at reimer and bernier now compared to when traded for. You just never know the outcome. A proven track record typically is less risky.
Pretty sure you and just about everyone else myself included, were slaming Dubnyk for about a year and a halfnow that hes put up some shut outs in Minnesota mean he is the next great starter? A string of shutouts in a very small sample size is pretty tough to make conclusions off of.
Gary nice point on Jones and shutouts..god I miss them
Well said , if a goalie blankets people consistently on a great team, its within reason he be good on another
As a Kings fan, who liked and still likes Bernier, I can tell you Jones has proven way more than Bernier did at this time in his development. If I had to choose between the two, I would pick Jones hands down. The guy has a nice blend of size (6’4″) and athleticism, he will be a great pick up for someone but the Kings won’t just give him away neither, they know what they have.
noel last time I looked the kings to not have the cap space to take on eberle even if they buy off Richards they have 2-3 key resigning they have to make before they take on eberle’s contract
just sayin
Yeah I guess I left my thought a bit blurred.
I was thinking that perhaps they could get Toffoli and Jones in some kind of larger deal using Eberle.
other pieces can be added or taken away. Say Richard’s toxic contract. Edmonton adds a prospect or draft pick. Some other dollars are moved. It may happen no matter what they do the dollars don’t line up. I am just of the opinion if Jones is available you try and get him if you need a starter like the Oilers do.
Just saying.
I hope the Sabres don’t go all in for ROR. Outrageous salary, a problem to sign; isn’t Problem Child E. Kane enough of a potential headache without signing a certifiable one?
Must be nice to have all those resources to just set them on fire like that, I am not sure ROR is all he is cracked up to be and as you mentioned with E Kane?
This either makes Murray look like a fool or a genius, not sure there is any middle ground. I think these 2 trade havethe potential to blow up in his face, pretty quickly. (Not saying they will but…)
statements like this keep me on the fence with ROR well actually I am moving towards being against Ottawa picking him up. Oh their I go again.
Ottawa needs a headache-in-waiting like ROR like they need a hole in the head. He is not now, never was, and never will be a # 1 C. They already have an O’Reilly type in Turis and Pierre McGuire is on record as saying Turis is quicker and more skilled.
Not saying Shticky is right or wrong. But why would other peoples statements sway you either way? Don’t you think watching a team or player and drawing your own conclusions is a better way of forming an opinion rather than being swayed by someones opinion? Just a thought.
I’m not pig head enough to think that I have all the answers. What i see and feel is right may in fact be in correct. so unlike someone like you who seems to have the ego of a God. I know at any moment I can be wrong. I just have an opinion.
I really Like Jones and Lack. I don’t like Reimer. It’s just my opinion. I realize that Reimer may prove me wrong and be a starter and Jones and lack may bust the moment they become starters. If someone points out a fact that I did not think of myself. Or perhaps I simply did not see I will listen. i will not be close minded and assume I am NYR4life and can not be wrong.
I think Hall is worth what I state. Top pick top 5 forward, Top 4 defense. I think Kessel is worth similar
I thought and still do Lehner is not ready to be a starter. I am still proven right.
I thought Ottawa would sign Bobby Ryan. I was right.
I thought Minni picking up Dubnyk was a good pick up. It turned out better than I thought.
I thought Edmonton would be better. I was wrong. Yet it turns out when they acquired a 2nd line Centre as I deduced was the problem they improved dramatically. Having Hall injured hurt their play but they seem still able to hold the 500 hockey.
I haven’t seen ROR play much. The little I have seen and the stories I read of him I use and add the thoughts of those of you here I respect the opinion of. It leaves me right now thinking he would be a bad fit for Ottawa.
I actually thought spending more than 4.5 mil for Methot was too much but realise the risk of losing him and am ok with what the Sens did sign him for.
I don’t think Edmonton are going to trade their top 3 or the 1rst round pick. However things like Jones may be available makes me hesitate.
I do think that the Tabloid Media in Toronto is hindering their ability to acquire players. We debated this and a article was released supporting my belief and people like you, instead of discussing the merit of the article or its topic decide to place question on my person.
I did not think Winnipeg or Calgary had a chance at the playoffs when the season starter. I was wrong on that. They obviously both have a chance at the playoffs. Accroding to you that is flip flopping.
I thought Dallas would be a sure bet to make it. I was wrong.
I thought Toronto would make the playoffs or at least be in that 9th place spot. I was wrong.
I do not believe Toronto needs to do the full fledge rebuild. They look to be going that route. Now I discuss options for them in that regards not because I believe they should do a full blown rebuild.
Now I think Ottawa building a rink in the Lebreton Flats area is a great Idea. Over the coarse of this debate as time goes on pros and cons will come apparent. I may change my mind as it is public land that could be used for other things.
Unlike you NYR4life (AKA Mr. Troll) I am not so conceded or pig headed to know or announce I have the answer for everything. That is one of the reason I Log on here to discuss my thoughts and hear others.
I was also wrong in my belief of calling someone with a different opinion of yours and Idiot. I am ok with that now.
“I know at any moment I can be wrong. I just have an opinion.”….Obviously you don’t have an opinion….you use others opinions, and base yours on theirs….no WONDER you are so often conflicted!…… You forgot one thing in your novel……
Jeff Noel on December 2, 2014 at 8:28 pm
Hey hey I got something right for a change. It turns out he isn’t old and washed up with no body wanting him. Take that NYR4LIFE
LOL
I jest in good fun all.
NYR4LIFE on December 2, 2014 at 9:17 pm
We’ll revisit that statement in a month, when you do a 180 on him…lmao
“I was also wrong in my belief of calling someone with a different opinion of yours and Idiot. I am ok with that now.”
…LOL. I think that came right before you insinuated everyone here was a “child” ……but whats one more flip-flop in a long list of flip-flops….. We’ll see if tomorrow brings a different opinion. But in the mean time, try not to fall off your high horse. I wouldn’t want to see you get hurt. That is a LONG fall!
***meantime****
I don’t get you.
Of coarse my opinions are influenced by others. My whole life is influenced by others. I try my best in every aspect of my life to place around me people I can trust to give me their honest opinion on any given topic.
Right now the big thing in my life is I am having a child. My first one. I have been discussing with my wife the various aspect of how to raise said child.
I have my opinions on how to do it. I also realise I have good people around me who know more than I. Who have experience. So I ask them and If they cause me to change my thoughts on this than I don’t consider that conflicted. I consider that being human.
You think that the only opinion in the world that counts is your own. That it can not change. One moment your dry, it’s a nice sunny day. I tell you your wet. You insist your dry. I throw a bucket of water in your face and state your wet. Nope you can’t flip flop. Your still dry. You will be dry if I chucked you in the Atlantic with weights on your feet.
Things change. Circumstances change. Only fools disregard that. To think one opinion is the end all and be all is you not me.
I understand Lyle’s position. That he’d prefer his predictions to come true as he runs this sight and tries to give from all he knows the likely outcome of any trade scenario.
I am not his position. I am here to discuss the game of hockey. Give my thoughts and learn. Unfortunately learning form a moron like you is difficult.
There is a difference though when I call you an idiot compared to when others call some sports writer they only read a few articles of what he thinks of hockey.
I am interacting with you. Attempting to explain things and despite all my efforts your stupidity prevents the knowledge form sinking in that ego.
Thus I can properly deduce the idiocy of your being.
Honestly, I think you are an extremely confused person! Opinions you “trust”? LOL….Do you personally know ANYONE on this site? As far as me being a “moron” ….please…. Look to your grammar before throwing out ANYONE here is a moron….. I’ve seen 7 year old children with a better vocabulary and use of words than the garbage you spew here. Most 7 year old children know the difference between they’re, their, and there….Not you!!!. Although it is a personal pet peeve of mine (Grammar) I normally don’t call people out on it…..It is a little petty……but when you call me a moron…..? GAME ON!!!!! As far as you becoming a father….well congrats……. I only hope your opinions of raising a child are a little more steady and your convictions more steadfast than opinions you have stated here. But I’m pretty sure if 3 people you never met in your life told you to raise your child different, you’d jump all over it.
“There is a difference though when I call you an idiot compared to when others call some sports writer they only read a few articles of what he thinks of hockey.
I am interacting with you. Attempting to explain things and despite all my efforts your stupidity prevents the knowledge form sinking in that ego.
Thus I can properly deduce the idiocy of your being.” ……………….
……………………………………..The biggest difference is……. I am an educated man. I can speak more than one language fluently…..you can’t speak one intelligently! But keep on……. The more you talk, the more that failed 8th grade education shines!!!
Lol
Bottom line is this guy who can’t spell and lacks grammar and speaks one langauge is wondering why you even bother making comments on his post. You don’t like my post, you don’t take me seriously, you don’t agree with me as to why one should come onto sites like this and clearly you are a knob who can’t let a person place a comment with out attempting to tear him down a peg to satisfy your ego.
Couldn’t resist telling me you speak multiple languages and are educated, dude means nothing to me. My wife speaks two languages and only has high school. Speaking two languages is the plan for my kids but it doesn’t equate to ones education. I have years and degrees over her In regards to education. Yet she and I are intellegwnt, she is much wiser than my educated as in some areas. No matter how many languages you speak or how much education you try to accumulate you can’t teaxh stupid. An idiot is limited in their capacity to grow but you got an ego fix attempting to impress me.
Lmmfao. Perhaps you should have her proof read your posts! Lol. Your poor child! Please educate him/ her. The way I see it, he/her will pass you by 2nd grade!
Maybe have the infant proof read your garbage! Honestly a drooling infant may have better grammar!
Yeah, I am right there with you. Giving up all those assets really handcuffs you if even one of them doesn’t pan out. Even if the players Buffalo is giving up don’t pan out either, they should be used as currency in more of judicious way than going all in on players that have red flags in some form.
ROR is only the most adaptable, 2 way player on the Avs.
On 26 other NHL teams he would either be first or second line. ROR has the same skillset Toews has. Yeah you’re right. .. you don’t want him.
Only problem is ROR is craving to be given his opportunity to be a star.
Hungry driven players are very bad to have on a team.
Not sure I agree its not like he is playing with a bunch of nobodies thr past couple years Duchene Landiskog Stastny McKinnon Tanguay Iginla, ya the defence is kinda weak but if he is such a defemsive guy why is that? Big guy gets no penalties and wins the lady bing dosent scream physical to me, playing with all that talent how many seasons over 40 points? 2? 6 mill for 10 goals and 20 assits Corsi isnt anywhere near a Toews for the most part or Kopitar Datsuyk or any other good defensive centers…not saying he wont be a good player but currently vastly over paid 2nd liner. You can romanticize him sll ya want.
That being said if there was more of a “hockey deal” (a team thats has a D man that needs a top 6 guy that contracts kind of match up, something like that…) he would be a guy worth looking into but burning futures on him trying to jump start a team…not so sure Id do that. Just a difference of opinion, you place more value in potential than I do I guess.
The problem with ROR is that his next contract will be over $6M and with term due to his current RFA final year pay. ROR’s numbers/play has declined compared to last season, but to be fair so has many of the players on the team but as a GM, you are have to think about how would you feel or is it worth the risk if ROR was to only top out as a 2C and taking up over $6M+ with term on your cap and took the price many believe it will take to acquire him.
I think ROR certainly would be a great pick up for someone but just not my Sens. I am not sure how much of an upgrade he is over Turris and if he isn’t that much of an upgrade he may require to large of a cotract to keep signed and if signed said contract may burden the Sens who are budget minded to much.
Things like this make me wonder if he is suitable to my Small Market, Self capped team.
Its my understanding Kane and ROR have the same agent who is good friends with tim Murray.
TM may have some inside knowledge here.
Not sure about the same agent. Not 100% sure on that but both are Newport guys.
same agent
Decided to look it up…not same agent.
Pat Morris is RORs agent
E kanes is Craig Oster
same agent
How do you figure? 1 guy with 2 different names? An agency is like a law firm, you have a lawyer from that firm doesnt mean you hired everyone who works there.
NHL deadline needs top the NBA(not a follower) trade madness.
Last year Burmistrov tied Peter Kontinola for 23 in KHL scoring race and we all know how well Kontinola worked out right? This year Burmistrov is 120th in the KHL scoring race….no thanks Ill pass on the rights to Burmistrov.
The Kings are not trading Toffoli or Jones. Why do people keep posting dumb comments that have them shipping Tofolli off in a trade. Never going to happen.
I sorry. I didn’t mean to be dumb. I was just thinking Eberle would replace him nicely. They could ditch a possible toxic contract and perhaps use two great assets in Toffoli and Jones to bring in other great assets and help deal with the cap. But yeah if you don’t think Toffoli is touchable I understand that. However I have to think one day Jones will want to be a starter. Or his contract demands are going to push him into the unaffordable back up position.
Wouldn’t say the comment was dumb at all. I also highly doubt the Kings trade Toffoli (budding star, under $$ control).
However, I would say Jones is very good trade bait – he’s not supplanting Quick any time soon.
And as for Toffoli, while it’s unlikely he’ll be moved, cap space is a huge issue in today’s NHL. So if trading Toffoli also meant they could get rid of Richards’ contract, I would say a trade would be very unlikely – but not impossible. Because the trade wouldn’t be Eberle for Toffoli & Richards (for example), it would be Eberle + some cap relief for Toffoli & Richards. And that has to be taken into account.
Keep the comments coming, as far I’m concerned, Jeff! 🙂
Lombardi has said recently that Pearson and Toffoli are untouchables, end of story.
Now why would one say make this trade for cap relief and include a guy you want to sign but it’s touch to do it because if cap space? I mean if the trade was to happen, a team won’t trade away a player they are trying to sign in a deal which will give them cap space to sign said player? Not too bright there, eh?
Well, in this scenario, because Eberle would cost less than Richards + Toffoli by a few million bucks. So they still end up with one excellent winger on the roster for a few millions dollars cheaper.
Like I say, I don’t think this will happen at all. But does it make some sense? I think it does.
I think that the big player at trade deadline will be the penquins as they can see with there lineup they can not beat the capitals and realize how big a factor orpik and neal where …..kunitz has tanked because neal isn’t there ….wont be bit surprised if they make a big trade to get some wing support for Crosby aka Kessel
once u get by Crosby and malkin they are not scary at all to defend against and come playoff time will the new or old fleury show up … (no backup ) so I think they will go after an experienced backup aka reimer
just sayin
I think Kessel would fit great in Pittsburgh. But I can’t see a realistic way to make room for that cap hit. With only 800k available, they are going to have to send a ton of $$$’s the other way.
Malkin! Sorry couldn’t resist
Pittsburg needs a jump-start from a role/big/grit player that will make a star-like presence anywhere on their team during playoffs and prevent them from getting beat up…neill, winnik, polak
As much as Pitts fans say different, Pitts needs d and goal tending. Glaring hole in the playoffs the last few years.
I like Kessel and even if the Pens could make him fit somehow I think its a bad fit….only so much puck to go around, and again to make the cap work the Leafs would be brining back big contracts that dont help them and its not like the Pens have a first round pick (Perron) or really anything of note to make it worth while. It doesnt make sense for either team imo. Especially the Pens.
Yeah, Not sure having 26-27 million locked up in 3 players would be a brilliant move either way.
Orpik is a non-factor and the overall defense is better with Johnston’s system. Neal trade may had an effect on Malkin but it’s a business and Geno needs to get going, although his chemistry with his linemates have been lost do to injury (as always). Kunitz did not play on Neal and Malkin’s line although the loss of Pascal Dupuis this season has made a huge difference for the Crosby line. Never know, but age does have its factor too.
Why are all the experts keep saying Pittsburgh is looking at defense? PP is horrible with Malkin only having no PP goals in 27 games! They don’t shoot enough and are looking for the high light pass. Crosby has not been the same since 2011. The defense has been more than adequate and Fleury could not play any better. Enough of needing more defense. Ridiculous penalties, the PP and 5/5 offense is horrible.
Time to trade Malkin and/or Crosby?
Malkin to Ottawa for Ottawa’s 1rst. Zabinajad and (Stone or HOffman)
lok
Nice start. I would rather have Turris of Zibinajad (although I have liked his play as of late.
Stone or Hoffman? Tough call as both show promise.
Also, add a few more 1st rounders.
I’d keep Hoffman if I had my choice. He is plus 20. I know I complain of the ludicrous of the plus minus stat. But every once in a while you see a guy on a bad team and go wow. How does he have a plus minus of 20.
Hoffman has 20 goals, not one on the PP, +/- of 20 and like 8 penalty minutes. I would like him to be able to hit more and get productive on the PP but I have a hard time giving him up.
Stone has great hands but lacks skating speed. he shows flashes of great production but normally the result of being the beneficiary of gelling with his line mate. He doesn’t really do it on his own like Hoffman can.
Oh and I would hate to give up Turris. But if this sole called scenario I posted more as a joke did happen I would give Turris up for a true number 1 starting Centre. But you wouldn’t get multiple picks form me.
Not happening
Speaking of trading Malkin or Crosby….I think the Pens will have to look at that scenario harder if they don’t have a deep run this year. As a Canucks fan, I was hoping the Canucks could have used Kesler as a bargaining chip in a trade for Malkin last summer. But that was wishful thinking….
How about Scheifele plus in a deal for Malkin?
Edmonton has issue with management that cant pull the trigger like most GM’s would do in a heart beat. Find you want another one draft pick but give something to give you this #1
Second issue, they use a patch job for goalies on there team.
not one goalie has ever looked like a number 1. But everyone listened to the that Dallas guy who is a blank for words. moving forward
they have a lot of good players they have drafted but have they built them to be ready to be NHL players.
right now Eberle is the only player that might get moved for a good goalie name Subban, but they need to include at least a defense man in this deal for Edmonton to say yes.
again they Edmonton team needs management that is willing to give up draft picks for defense mans … they have a chance at the start Chicago and Boston gave up good defense man to the Islanders and look at this team now. They are playoff team today
if you have to take a terrible contract like bone head lucic do it, with subban included. Eberle is proven goal scorer – I dont like this trade one bit
but then trade Hall to them and take three players for him – I have never been a fan of T Hall since he was drafted I figured a player that needs talent around him wouldnt be good for the Edmonton team – the proof is in the product on the ice, he would be great in Boston some talent on that team. Sequin should been drafted by the Edmonton team because he played with little talent on his team and helped them make the playoffs on his own! thats a kid they should have taken in the first place – look at his track record with Boston and Dallas right now.
Drafting right is the first problem the Edmonton team has always had since day one they have been in the NHL.
I am sorry I am a fan of the Edmonton Oilers since they came to the NHL but the only GM that has every pulled the trigger on big deals was Glen Sather and he still does it with the New York Rangers and it wont change
So to Craig MacTavish – its time to fix the problems you have caused and its time to give up Taylor Hall to Boston for a great prospect and get some good talented defense men around him to make him into your number 1 goalie of the future
The largest problem edmonton has had is shipping all its vetran leadership out so when hard times hit the kids don’t have that experienced voice getting them back on track.
Edmonton needs defense that is no secret. Get Nurse and Klefbom going from the start of the season next year and things should start turning around.
The largest issue is not listening to idiots and panicking making knee jerk reactions.
Edmonton had Dubnyk… Thats what panicking does for you.
No talk here about my beloved, but horribly collapsing, Ducks. Losingplayers the calibre of Andersen, Vatanen, Belesky & Lindholm—-all within a short period of time—-would cripple most teams. Still, thus team needs to improve beyond just getting those guys back—-and I’m not even sure how serious sime of those injuries are.
You guys are pretty knowledgeable. The Ducks need a 1st line left winger and a gritty, top four, right-hand shooting blueliner.
Two questions:
1. How likely is it that they could even pull this off?
2. Can you see Bob Murray mortgaging the future to make one or two significant deals?
I can see the ducks moving smith pelley, etem or even Theodore but they would have to be getting a good return for them
what, habs cast off bourque isnt working out? lol
thank you for that trade.
Your welcome, and how is Bryan Allen working out at your end ? He has got to be the perfect replacement for Ryan McDonagh who habs traded for Scott Gomez.
the habs kept the bettr of the 2 dmaen that the rangers wanted in that deal in subban and don’t sit there and tell me macdonagh is as good as pk is because he’s not even in pk’s league…. as foir bryan allen it worked out really well because it freed up more capspace for this deadline and even more for july 1st
Ducks also need defense.
Tim Murray would be out of his mind to acquire ROR. The guy clearly rode the coattails of Statsny (offensively speaking.) 2-3 years down the road he will probably be one of the more expensive 3rd line centers in the league. We already have Grigorenko, Reinhart, Compher and Girgensons. Add one of McDavid or Eichel to that equation I just don’t see any room down the middle for ROR. He’s more suited in Toronto as he’d easily be their #1. But that’s my opinion.
like I said …..dion for ROR what ever it takes its win , win
Toronto has to take some of the contract back but they get his contract off the books plus if they don’t resign ROR ….more cap space making Clarkson contract more pallable
Ya that’s my thought as well. Toronto will probably have to eat up
around $2 mill a year on Phaneuf’s contract.
I think buffalo is in the perfect position for the draft this yr and at trade deadline … they don’t have to prove anything unless there not close to finishing last then u might see them saricfice a stewart or even a moulson (doubtfull)or Neuwirth ……from what I see they have no up and coming goalie in there system so they might be in a position to trade for a goaltending prospect ( they wanted Subban) mayne they look at the avs Pickhart who looks to me better then lack or jones
just sayin
“sacrifice a Stewart”???? How is trading that monumental underachiever a sacrifice?
How is he an underachiever? Like I’ve said many times before even the top end players in the league would be underachievers on this team. Stewart’s been our best player since January. He’s turning it around.
Stewart has played 439 NHL games and has accumulated 124 goals and 126 assists for 250 points – not the stats you want to see for someone with a $4,150,000 cap hit and probably seeking more as a UFA.
We have no reason to go after Pickard, Jones or Lack. We already have a better goalie then those three coming to Rochester next season in Linus Ullmark.
Lack is horrible. He’s like the next Reimer, maybe worse. Just an over glorified backup.
Pickard had one hot streak so far. I’d like to see more games before trading for him. IMO Ullmark will be better, no point in trading for him. Also the Avs will probably want a defenseman in return and if that defenseman isn’t Ruhwedel then I’d walk away.
Jones is a backup in LA. Just like Bernier. His numbers aren’t as good as they seem IMO.
Goalies we should be looking at is Subban, Saros, Fucale or Vasilevskiy.
George I might of said the wrong word what I was referring to was buffalo trying to finish last so they might have to trade away players for less then they should get so they can finish last
Um… You guys do know that O’Reilly had his most productive season playing on the wing right? I just wish non Avs fans who barely watch any of their games talk about a player without watching him on a consistent basis to see what kind of real value that he brings to a team…
Please explain to me why O’Reilly has a career -15 on such a good Av’s Team?
Buffalo fan here trying to figure out what this guy is really worth…
Not sure you are helping your argument Hilch, I mentioned he was a top 6 guy but if you consider him a better fit as a winger I definitely wouldnt be giving up a first and good prospect(s) and taking on a 6 mill long term hit (atleast once you extend him) for a guy who while playing with some pretty decent centers is putting up around 15 goals and 40 -45 points (this year). He is an ok possession player on a bad possession team. He may have had his best year as a winger but if thats the extent of his value…no thanks. I wouldnt give up futures and all that cap space for him with out a chunk of cap going back the otherway.
If your an Avs fan you should know by now that he was riding Statsny. Without him he has dwindled from a 60 point player to a 40 point player. Statsny made O’Rielly.
If he was so successful as a wing then why hasn’t Roy switched him back? Roy can’t be that stupid. You guys have three very capable centers in O’Rielly, Mackinnon and Duchene. So if he is so good at wing wouldn’t you think Roy would have put him back on the wing already with Mackinnon and Duchene as your top two centers? Seems pretty logical to me.
If someone is going for a 40 point winger that price your setting is way to high. Maybe a 2nd and a mid level prospect is all I’d give up for ROR.
Let’s hypothetically say Malkin would be available to move. First off it would be around draft time that mover would happen. Second, most teams don’t have enough assets to land Malkin. Take into consideration that most trades of this caliber burn the team that is trading the huge asset. This being said history still shows how bad (and I mean horribly bad) the Jagr return was for the pens. This being the blueprint used it’s safe to say at least two high first round picks in this years draft would be the front of any trade talks to start if not top ten pick and teams top asset on hand. And keep in mind this just gets you to the table it would take more just to win that once in a lifetime bid. We are talking two or three first rounders, top player on team, top prospects in organization and when all said and done a package of 5 to six players just to land one multiple hart trophy winning, build a team around player. This is what it would take for Rutherford to move Malkin and not get murdered by the fans in Pittsburgh.
Multiple Harts? He’s had one Hart Trophy. He’s had 2 Art Ross’ though.
I wouldn’t give that much up for Malkin. Since he’s won that Hart (what 4 years ago) he has had one season where he has reached 70 points.
That’s the going rate for a player you build a team around. After all how many hart and Ross trophy player’s out there plus on your team?
Plus under a very cheap team friendly contact For quite a few years.
Big game for Leaf / Car fans. Who will play worse hahaha.
Difference between 4th and 5th pick.
Looking at 2015 (top 5) picks (most likely impact players)
The leafs options look average if they can’t get (Dman)hanifan (3rd) and (Centre) strome (4th)…everyone is likely 2nd rate, non-positional needs, or small and offensive (marner) (I don’t follow junior)
2016 is worse because there is no centres and only 1 dman in Top 5 (early mock draft) all wingers….have fun selling small centres and offensive wingers a 2nd time as a rebuild!
Based on that, I would suggest… if the leafs don’t move to at least 4th this year, or 2nd next year, and don’t somehow trade Kessel/Dion (maybe JVR) for #1 C/D, and don’t sign Stamkos as a free agent….then they are truely screwed for minimum 5 years!
Help ahahaha
Lyle or anyone else with this knowledge,
Any team trading with col for ROR isn’t able to negotiate a extension until this summer right ? As you can only extend a player with one year left not 2? I may be wrong here but I thought that was the rule
MacTavish wants to keep 80% of his roster for next year. Does that mean the Oilers only want to retain 75% of their fan base?
Trade Hall for similar returns (or better) than Winnipeg got for Kane.
Lyle,
Do you know if a team can actually sign ROR to an extension during this season (upon being traded of course) ? I thought only when a player was in his last year of contract could an extension be discussed or signed …
http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=26366
RENEGOTIATION OF CONTRACTS
Will Clubs be able to renegotiate contracts with players?
No. Player contracts will not be renegotiated (upward or downward) during their term. Extensions may be negotiated but only in the final year of the contract and only if such extension is for an amount that can be accommodated in a Club’s upper limit for the current year or as computed for future years.
Thanks. So any team wanting to trade for ROR and wanting to make sure he resigns will have to wait till summer.
here is what person said about fucale versus subban
At least Subban has hope. He proved it throughout his junior career. Unlike Fucale who is almost the worst goalie this year, after having McKinnon, Druion and Ehlers shield him for his 1st two years.
He new team, the Ramparts, after being traded there isn’t even playing him. They don’t trust him in goal.
I seem to remember him winning gold this yr with the jr. and I watched him in the glory yrs of mooseheads and he was very very good
but im curious to what you guys think which you would trade for first and why