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Avs willing to listen to offers for O’Reilly.
Avs willing to entertain offers for Ryan O’Reilly?
SPORTSNET: Elliotte Friedman reports the Colorado Avalanche are willing to listen to offers for center Ryan O’Reilly leading up to the NHL Draft (June 26-27) in Florida. Friedman says there’s no guarantee O’Reilly is dealt by the draft, if at all, but Avs management wants to consider its options. It’s assumed the Avalanche will want defensive help in return.
SPECTOR’S NOTE: It’s possible the Avs could shop O’Reilly this summer, but that could depend upon what’s being offered and what other players are on the trade block.
O’Reilly’s contract status next summer is apparently the issue. He has a year remaining at an annual cap hit of $6 million, after which next summer he’s eligible for UFA status. Some pundits doubt the Avs will pay O’Reilly more that Matt Duchene (who’s earning $6 million annually on a long-term deal). They must also ensure they have sufficient cap space to re-sign forward Nathan MacKinnon, who’s an RFA next summer. O’Reilly will easily get over $7 million per season next summer, perhaps more.
While some of you might doubt that O’Reilly can get that much via free agency, never underestimate the power of NHL GMs to overspend for what little talent is available in the UFA market. We see it every year and next year won’t be any different, especially if O’Reilly is the best player on the market.
Updates on Phil Kessel, Eric Staal and Mikhail Grigorenko.
TSN.CA: Bob McKenzie reminds us that “Boston; Chicago; Los Angeles; Minnesota; Montreal; New York Rangers; Philadelphia; and Pittsburgh” are believed to be acceptable trade destinations for Toronto Maple Leafs winger Phil Kessel, who has a partial no-trade clause. McKenzie suggests, however, the Leafs could ask Kessel to expand that list if there’s a deal to be had with another club. Kessel can also submit a new list at the end of each year on his contract.
Carolina Hurricanes GM Ron Francis met last week with agent Rick Curran, who represents Hurricanes captain Eric Staal, but it was only a preliminary discussion and no decisions have been made. Staal is entering the final season of his contract and is eligible next July for UFA status.
The Buffalo Sabres are waiting to find out if there’s any truth to recent speculation claiming young forward Mikhail Grigorenko intends to sign a contract with a KHL team. Grigorenko is coming off an entry-level deal. The Sabres want to re-sign him but not to a one-way contract.
SPECTOR’S NOTE: Interesting to note the Nashville Predators, St. Louis Blues, Florida Panthers or Calgary Flames aren’t on Kessel’s current list of acceptable trade destinations. Earlier this week there was some talk suggesting those clubs as possible suitors for Kessel. Of course, one of them might end up on his revised list…Contract discussions could pick up regarding Staal over the next couple of weeks. What he seeks to remain with the ‘Canes could determine his future in Carolina…Wouldn’t surprise me if Grigorenko bolted for the KHL, as he’s struggled to land a full-time spot with the Sabres.
Comparing Lucic and Sharp.
THE BOSTON GLOBE: Fluto Shinzawa reports if the Boston Bruins decide to put left wing Milan Lucic on the market, they could face competition in the trade market from the Chicago Blackhawks, who could shop winger Patrick Sharp in a cost-cutting deal. If both hit this summer’s trade block, Shinzawa suggests they could be the left wings with the highest value. Both earn roughly the same cap hit ($6 million), though Sharp has two years left on his contract compared to Lucic’s one. Lucic is younger and plays a more physical style while Sharp is an experienced skill player. Shinzawa suggests they could “command good young players” or a “bundle of futures.”
SPECTOR’S NOTE: Lucic might have the edge in trade value, especially from potential Cup contenders seeking a more physical presence.
Updates on the Rangers, Devils and Blackhawks.
NEW YORK POST: Larry Brooks wonders if Rangers GM Glen Sather might target Arizona Coyotes captain Shane Doan, noting Sather has tried to acquire him in the past…Brooks cites “well-placed sources” claiming there’s “significant” interest in Rangers backup Cam Talbot, suggesting Talbot could be dealt at the upcoming NHL Draft…Defenseman Dan Boyle won’t retire or seek a trade. He has a year remaining on his contract with a full no-movement clause…If Martin St. Louis decides to continue his career, it won’t be with the Rangers. Brooks wonders if Montreal could be a destination.
Long-time New Jersey Devils forward Patrik Elias hasn’t been asked by new Devils GM Ray Shero to waive his no-move clause and has no intention of seeking a trade. Elias has a year remaining on his contract.
16 teams – including “Pittsburgh, Boston, Colorado, L.A., Dallas, Detroit, San Jose, St. Louis and Vancouver” – have disqualified themselves from pitching an offer sheet to Chicago’s Brandon Saad as they traded away 2016 draft picks required as compensation for a player of Saad’s caliber.
SPECTOR’S NOTE: For now, Doan has given no indication he wants out of Arizona. Perhaps that will change before the season starts, or (depending on the Coyotes performance next season) by the trade deadline…There’s a report claiming the Oilers could be prepared to part with the 16th overall pick in this year’s draft for Talbot. It’s also believed the Oilers are willing to move Nail Yakupov as part of a bigger deal…Looks like Boyle returns with the Rangers next season…
Montreal currently has just over $5 million in available cap space and must re-sign Alex Galchenyuk and perhaps Torrey Mitchell and Brian Flynn. I doubt they’ll have sufficient space to sign St. Louis to a bonus-laden deal with a low base salary. If the Habs add offense it’ll be via trade and I expect they’ll want younger talent…Some of those teams are also disqualified from sending an offer sheet to Boston’s Dougie Hamilton. I expect Saad and Hamilton to be re-signed by their respective teams.
Lucic and Sharp are not trade comparables and their availability won’t impact one another at all.
Lucic could bring 1st rounder + top prospect + roster player. He’s valued beyond his point production.
Sharp has been discussed as bringing in 2nd rounder + mid prospect + ?. The improved performance of Sharp in the latter part of the SC cup finals might increase the return slightly.
O’Reilly would probably fetch a lot in a trade, and get overpaid on his next contract as well. He’s just 24 y/o, GM’s will be all over that, as usual.
Is this the year Doan will be traded? A couple of years too late, but heck, why not if they won’t spend to contend the next couple of seasons? For Arizona, there’s danger in not being competitive as fan interest needs strengthening. But maybe bottom line financials will take a front seat this upcoming season?
I think you are undervaluing Sharp and what he would mean to teams like NJ Florida and possibly even the Pens.
Wouldn’t mean anything to NJ… getting him would make them lose a couple of places in next year’s draft and at a cost they shouldn’t be willing to pay.
I see Lucic having more appeal than Sharp as well but not significantly as money will be a factor. Lucic is going to want a raise & probably pushes into the 7 to 7.5 range on at least a 5 year deal if not longer, which for those intangibles may be more than most clubs want or can afford for that type of asset.
I don’t see Sharp being moved that cheaply. His contract having 2 more years at a 5.9 cap hit will appeal to a great many teams. He should garner at least a later 1st & a mid tier prospect. Thinking something along the lines of Washington’s 22nd pick & a prospect like Riley Barber. I think a great many teams will be interested in Sharp. Anh, Arz, Cal, Car, Dal, Flo, Mtl, Nas, NJ, NYI, Ott, Pit, SJ & Win.
I can’t wait for the season to end as I like many people see this off season as the 1st off season in at least a decade where there could well be major trades. Hoping were not disappointed.
sharp will get less back than lucic for the Blackhawks sake sharp picked a bad year to have a bad year lol
Slats could have drafted Doan but took Jason Bonsignore instead !
Actually Slats took Steve Kelly just ahead of Doan.
After Ottawa took Bryan Berard 1st, followed by the Islanders selection of Redden 2nd, L.A. picked the non-entity Aki-Petteri Berg 3rd, followed by the decent but hardly monumental Chad Kilger 4th by Anaheim, then the serviceable Daymond Langkow 5th by Tampa, and then Kelly 6th by Edmonton, After Terry Ryan went 8th to Montreal, Kyle McLaren 9th to Boston, and Radek Dvorak 10th to Florida, tere was a guy named Jarome Iginla sitting waiting for Dallas’ pick at # 11, who then promptly dealt him and Corey Millen to the Flames that December for the negotiating rights to Joe Nieuwendyk. Seems there were quite a few scouts asleep at the switch in 1995.
Sharp is more valuable than Lucic.
Milan could fetch a 2nd rounder+b-prospect but Sharp should return a 2nd rounder+roster player and a c-prospect.
lol no
Lucic brings a ton of attrition to a hockey team. If Boston’s giving him up, teams that keep choking (Washington, St. Louis) are going to bid and well.
Sharp doesn’t bring Lucic’s attrition to a team… he’s probably a little better offensively, but there are a lot of Sharps out there and only a couple of Lucics.
Thanks for the reality check. It’s needed sometimes.
If those are Kessel’s 8 teams he’s willing to accept a trade to it appears he may be trying to block his movement out of Toronto as 6; Bos, Chi, LA, NYR, Phi & Pit, of the 8 teams on that list have the biggest cap issues in the NHL.
The only team on that list that could potentially make the money work is Montreal & even then Toronto would have to take back significant salary to facilitate a deal if Beregevin were even interested. 2 of Parenteau, Desharnais or Emilin would need to be shipped out to be able to take on Kessel’s contract & none of those players meet the rebuild concept. There would have to be some significant picks & prospects included & other than Fucale Montreal’s prospect cupboard is pretty bare.
Any team can make it work. They just have to get creative.
Yes but how realistic is that of happening with this type of asset for any team. That’s like saying anything can happen. As a Guru you should be able to provide a more sound argument or evaluation of the possibilities & options. Haha! Sorry just messing with you. Yes anything could happen but what do you think might happen?
I still believe Dallas is the best fit.
Minny could trade Vanek and any combo of Cooke, Nino N, Brodin, Scnadella. Cap works, Minny gets stung in the long term but they want a cup now so……..
Just an example. I also think they do not need to move him unless its a sweet deal.
Good luck TO
Agreed on both counts but in the case of Minny it needs to be lower salaried younger player coming back in a potential deal for Sharp. 1 of Zucker, Neiderreiter or Spurgeon.
For example. I can see how Pittsburgh would have interest but to accommodate Sharp’s salary they need to ship salary out so unless it becomes a 3 way deal Chicago won’t move him to Pittsburgh as they will want futures. Chicago can’t afford to take salary back, their going to want picks, prospects or very cheap players & Pittsburgh has few of those types of assets that they would be willing to let go. I don’t see them moving Kapanen, Maata or Pouliot. Maybe Chicago would consider 1 of the the D prospects; Harrington, & 2016’s 1st round pick but then Pittsburgh is in cap hell & doesn’t have the money to fill out their 23 man roster unless someone else on a fairly significant contract is moved out. Perron, Kunitz, Letang!
That’s not entirely true. If the Penguins for example sent Scuderi and Kunitz or Dupuis then Kessel would only be adding about 500 000 to the Pens cap. Not only that but that’s is the ideal situation for Kessel, a place he’s not the first option, has no expectation placed on him to be a leader or defend. His job would exclusively be to put pucks in the net and he would have PP time and 2 of the best centres in the world setting him up. That potentially turns Kessel into a 40-50 goal scorer, and with Hornquist in the crease tapping in rebounds his assist total would be threw the roof as well. If I’m Kessel I’m asking my agent to do whatever it takes to make this happen.
But that makes no sense for Toronto. How do any of those assets help Toronto’s rebuild?
look at the spezza,seguin and kesler deals tho its not like boston Vancouver or Ottawa hit one out of the park on the return! in different ways those 3 are as good as kessel if not better everyone in the league know the situation in Toronto and its not unlike those 3 situations I think they will get around what those trades got well taking back a bad contract or retaining some salary
Agreed. Toronto needs a prospect or 2 or a young player with tons of upside. Pittsburgh is thin at the prospect level so it would be a tough deal to make.
Kessel and his contract being out of Toronto helps Toronto – clear case of addition by subtraction – we can’t have Kessel’s terrible habits rubbing off on our young rebuilds
I can’t see the Leafs wanting any part of Scuderi and Kunitz, let alone for an elite goal scorer. That’s a terrible trade for Toronto. I agree Kessel would be a fantastic fit there, but the necessary assets it would take to land him would be too costly. I don’t see a fit at all.
I think you might be surprised(sad) what the return is for kessel the whole league knows the leafs want to move him
It’s not as if they need to trade him. Some deals are the best you don’t make. So if it’s crap offered why would they ?
You’re right… it’s a troll list. I think he listed 8 teams they’d have a hardest time moving him to.
All I know is, I hope I’m wrong and Kessel is dealt somewhere – anywhere – just so we don’t see his name pop up like spring dandelions in every “rumor” column.
scherbak,hudon andrighetto,maccarron,reway gregoire,crisp,bozon,audette,lehkonen,dumont,evans,bournival,thomas,fournier,macmillan, thrower,tinordi,dietz,lernout beaulieu,sullivan,nygren,bennett,didier
cupboard pretty bare eh? looks like it’s stocked
You can go into ANY team’s roster of minor leaguers and list a slew of names. And that’s all you’ve done – list a slew of names.
Hamilton could ask for 6 mil a year & at that point the Bruins could trade off player or players to sign him or the other option is to trade him & get the most in return at this point …if he does get a offer sheet and Bruins get draft picks there’s nobody to slide into his spot thus they will have to make a trade for a couple of top 4 DMen because they are short one now even with Hamilton ….Sweeney has a lot of work to do this off season……..did see this trade option according the Boston Herald Oilers get Hamilton,Eriksson & Kelly for Eberle and either Kiefbom or Nurse & a high draft pick
Definetly sounds like a Boston news paper all right. Because that trade makes no sense here in Edmonton.
what trade for Hamilton to Edm does make sense in your opinion?
Spooner + Hamilton for Draisaitl + Klefbom.
now that’s an Oilers view; from a bruins perspective; your nuts! I wouldn’t give Hamilton alone for them two. Hamilton 3yrs in only 21, gotten better every season, potential to be a number 1 dman plus Spooner, for two prospects. No thanks. From my point I wouldn’t do Hall for Hamilton straight up. Number 1 dman are too valuable. Bruins must keep Hamilton. Prime example most would take Toews over Keith, for me its no contest it be Keith over Toews.
That’s not an Oilers point of view, that’s a neutral point of view.
Klefbom doesn’t have a whole lot of experience and Draisaitl is still green, but Draisaitl is a potential #1 Center and Klefbom could theoretically climb to first pairing.
I “kind of” agree that you shouldn’t trade NHL players for prospects, but Hamilton is being “nursed” in Boston. He’s a -2 first pairing and the Bruins didn’t make the playoffs this year, so he’s not bonafide first pairing, yet.
Spooner doesn’t have the upside Klefbom and Draisaitl have, so that’s what leveled the deal, and potential #1 C are even more valuable than 1-2 d-men.
Draisaitl is a very strong prospect… now, this deal would be lopsided for the Oilers… in about a year, the deal could be lopsided for the Bruins.
To Caper, No doubt you would trade Hamilton for Hall lol. That would be an over payment.
Not one involving Klefbom or Nurse. Nurse will be everything Hamilton is and more. And Klefbom is going to be top 4 at a minimum. Trading either away hurts you in the same position you are trying to improve in. Ericsson and Kelly does nothing to improve Edmonton. Kelly is past his prime, (Boyd Gordon is the same type of player) and Erikson is not the gritty power forward that Edmonton needs. It’s would be a nice salary dump for Boston, but neither are needed, nor would they improve Edmonton.
Not sure what a trade would look like. But I don’t see either Klefbom or Nurse being traded.
Douggie would be a nice player to get. But not in a trade like that.
I agree, that Kelly and ericksson does nothing for the Oiler. To say Hamilton isn’t a first pair dman, means you don’t watch Boston games, because he played first pairing and has the best corsi numbers among bruins dman. With that said the Oilers need a goalie and d; it will be interesting to see what PC does. He won’t trade Hall, he was trying to get him for 3 year, but anyone else up front is available.
I never said Hamilton was not a top pairing D man. Where did I write that? Learn to read.
Did some Boston reporter write that? Anyone else but Hall is available lol.
Those teams that Kessel has as his trade teams is not good most are in cap he’ll.I think he will have to put up some more teams for this to work.i am not sure there is one team on that list that looks like it would be a fit.Maybe he is pulling a Sundin and wants to stay in Toronto. If that is the case the first thing I would do is ship out his buddy bozak and see how he feels after that.
no doubt phil wants to stay he wouldn’t have signed for 8 years! the way phil is like I cant see him adding more teams its not like he has too he is getting paid no matter what I know id go to a place I want to go to especially when im getting paid regardless
When asked about the possibility of being traded last February, Kessel said “I go where they want me. I love Toronto. But [if] it’s not here, it’s not here.” Hardly sounds like a guy that will dig his heals in if Shanny asks him to expand his list.
the thing is its his future cant see him wanting to go to a Carolina,devils, or phoenix and go thru a rebuild? those are the teams that would probably give the best return but phil is gonna go where he wants to its not like it only for 2 3 years its the next 7 years!!
Who said it has to be a rebuilding club? The Islanders, Blues, Panthers and Preds have all had rumoured interest in the past, and have the assets/cap potential to carry his contract. The Leafs are starting a rebuild so I think the best scenario for both parties is to trade him, but only for a good return. Trading him for peanuts does nothing. We can easily afford to keep his contract if the trade value isn’t there.
do you really think its a good idea to ask a player to accept a trade that’s not on his list and he says no and than keep that player? we need to move phil and expect a kesler,seguin or spezza type return
I think I’d end up using my leaf jersey as a diaper genie bag if you were ever hired as gm.
id do the same if you were! lol hold on to kessel during a rebuild while holding onto kessel waiting for an unreal return for a very one dimensional player
durt do you really think kessel has more value than spezza,seguin or kesler? explain yourself if so?
I think Big bear has a hard time seeing the forest through the trees the Sens got relieved of the contract Nick Paul is an excellent prospect Guptil will be a serviceable NHLer a second round pick, it did exactly what these trades are designed to do….get younger, Kessler got a first round pick a swap of 3ds a younger 2nd C to replace his minutes and a young D man whodespite a kinda rouh season is an NHL level D man that is relatively young and will play top 4 minutes…so he brought back 4 nice pieces for a team that wanted to start to get younger….these guys are getting traded for pretty much exactly what their GMs are wanting to move them for. Younger deeper more affordable pieces.
Well considering Boston and Ottawa both got screwed in those deals, I hope so. Kesler got fair value for a second line centre I’d say. How about more fair examples like..
Carter (Voracek, a 1st and 3rd)
Nash (Anisimov, Dub, Erixon and a 1st)
Kane (Bogs and Myers cancelling each other out) for (Stafford, prospects Lemieux and Armia plus a 1st)
Mike Richards (B Schenn, Simmonds and a second)
I’m not expecting the moon and stars, but I am expecting a good prospect, a first and a decent player to possibly flip later, or else I’m keeping Kessel.
even you 2 differ in those trades shticky says each gm got what they wanted durt you say boston and Ottawa got screwed? lol I think we can all say we have no idea what is gonna happen we just have opinions
its funny shticky didn’t mention seguin trade tho lol
In what what did Ottawa get “scrwed” in the Spezza trade Durtmchurtt? (I assume that’s the deal you’re talking about). They got Alex Chiasson, Nick Paul and Alex Guptill along with Dallas 2nd round pick in this year’s draft. Guptill is a non-entity – likely a career AHLer, and while Chiasson is still an NHL work in process, the real key was Paul – 6′ 3″ 200 lb LW. As for this year’s 2nd round pick – who knows? But way too early to say they got “screwed.”
As an adjunct, I suppose – given your fierce support for Kessel – that you thought Boston got “screwed” when they sent him to TO in Sept 2009 for their 1st and 2nd picks in the 2010 draft, and their 1st in the 2011 draft. Of course, I don’t suppose at the time that Burke thought for a fleeting second that they were going to wind up 2nd last overall in 2009-10, and only marginally better in 2010-11.
@bigbear You seemed to be under the impression that Toronto is desperate to trade Kessel. The list of 8 teams that every one is talking about is from last year. Toronto is yet to ask Kessel for an updated list, so they can`t be too desperate can they. If you take Shanahans word as gospel, the tear down could take a couple of years alone and Shanny said they wouldn`t retain any salary for either Phil or Dion. Toronto will probably have to retain salary for Lupul or Robidas if they can find a taker for him and it`s good to have that option available to you at the trading deadline. Shanny seems to have a plan and for now is sticking to it. You guys make it sound like Shanny is running out of time and he has to move everybody in a hurry. Until Toronto asks Phil for a new list nothing is going to happen. His new list may have 8 totally different teams on it from the last one he gave.
yogi… everyone thinks the best time to trade him is at the draft the list of teams he gave lasts till june 30th! if they wait till after free agency opens other teams will use up cap space which means taking back a toxic contract or retaining salary! he might not move but if has another not so great year the return wont be as good next year that’s for sure
George, Ottawa got screwed because they could’ve gotten more. I remember years ago when I pitched Kadri (only two years removed from being a top ten pick) and a first for Spezza and getting laughed at by Sens fans. So ya, if that was your fan base’s expectation of a return, than you got screwed. We’re all outsiders looking in but public perception of that trade wasn’t good for Ottawa. Not one sexy prospect or even a first rounder in a package for a decent first line centre. Nobody in that rag tag list of players will ever be as good as Spezza.
As Toe Blake once so eloquently put it “predictions are for gypsies.” Since you have no idea who they will select with that 2nd pick this year (or perhaps even include it in a pre-draft/draft day trade)it’d best not to venture out on a thin limb. Mark Stone was taken in the 6th round – 178th overall – and is now a Calder finalist. Mike Hoffman was picked 130th in the 5th round and wound up with 27 goals. Nick Paul elevated both his size and his game this year in the OHL and is now regarded by all pundits as a “blue chip” prospect. No one knows for certain what the future holds.
Maybe Kessell’s list isn’t all that bad. Trade him and Percy to Boston for Hamilton and their first? It is less than TO could get from teams not on the list but both teams get something they need and the money is close to the same if the numbers being thrown around for Hamilton are accurate. Boston might have a bad contract they want to throw in.
Same kind of deal could work with Philly. Their 1st, both Schenns, and if another bad contract like Umburger is included then something has to be added by Philly?
cmon tugboat… Hamilton no way boston gives up Hamilton for kessel I doubt the bruins even want kessel back they have been thru that
I find it interesting that Boston is on Kessel list. Long been a Kessel supporter but the bruins don’t have the salary room and secondly not that I think Phil is over paid for the first few years of his contract, its the last 3yrs of the contract that would concern me.
Chicago moved Ladd for essentially a 2nd round pick to Atlanta, Ladd’s best season to that point was 15 goals & 49 points, the season prior to the trade 17 goals & 38 points.
Chicago moved Byfuglien to Atlanta with Sopel, Eager & Aliu for Reasoner, Morin & NJ’s 1st & 2nd rounders previously acquired by Atlanta.
Chicago moved Versteeg & Bill Sweat to Toronto for Stalberg, Didomenico & Paradis.
Chicago moved Bolland to Toronto for a 2nd & 2 4th’s.
Chicago moved Brouwer to Wasington for a 1st rounder.
Chicago moved Campbell to Florida for Olesz, moved Kopecky to Florida for a 7th.
These were all salary cap trades Chicago was forced to make to stay cap compliant. They essentially took, picks, prospects a toxic contract; Olesz, to do what was necessary to stay cap compliant.
Moving Sharp will be done in the same way. Picks & prospects. Surely Sharp will garner as good a return as Brouwer? I think Bickell will be sent packing as well. Chicago may have eat some of his salary to accommodate a trade or take a bad contract back for less dollar value. Say in the 2 million range. Tallon has interest in Bickell apparentl. Say Thornton at a 1.2 cap hit for 1 more year & a 3rd for Bickell? With Kopecky being a UFA they could use a heavy weight like Bickell to protect the kids in Florida but Bickell also makes Thornton expendable & the cap savings in Chicago would help tremendously. The nice thing is Thornton will accept being a healthy scratch on most nights. In Chicago he would be purely a depth player/enforcer who only plays when injuries or opponents dictate.
By moving out Sharp & Bickell Chicago gets 9.9 million of the books & their cap issues are solved. They still have to sign Saad, Kruger & Nordstrom all RFA’s & moving these 2 assets means resigning Oduya would be very possible.
Yes, that is realistic. Sharp could get back a low 1st or early 2nd rounder + prospect. Bickell will be more of a salary dump IMO. He doesn’t have much value after his recent performances.
I revisited Hawks salary cap situation here a few days ago and also concluded that they are presently fine by shedding Sharp and Bickell. They’ll probably do what it takes to retain Seabrook also. I deduct that from them letting Leddy go, as well as financials ultimately being feasible if Seabrook’s contract ends up at $8.5M annually.
Striker, I am a former Mathematics teacher and I can’t see how the Blackhawks can resigned RFAs Marcus Krüger and Brandon Saad, AND also resign JonO (Johnny Oduya) to a reasonable deal.
If Petry signs at that sky-high salary, how does Oduya takes so much less, or EVEN IF he agrees to what HE MAKES now, I don’t see the CAP SPACE.
By moving out Sharp & Bickell they get 9.9 mil in cap relief. My example only showed them taking back Thornton at 1.2 so 7.7 saved. Add that to the 6.2 million they already have.
Saad gets a bridge deal around 4.5 for 2 years, Kruger excepts his qualifying offer; 1.55, & Oduya takes a home town discount to stay in Chicago at or near 4 million on a 3 year deal.
That gets Chicago to 17 players with about 6 million to spend. Nordstrom accepts his qualifying offer at 750K & 5 players to go. A 4th line LW & a 13th player at forward & a #7 & 8 Dman. Surely 5 million is enough to add these remaining assets?
won’t disagree with your numbers because I’m not going to check it out. I don’t see Oduya taking any sort of discount to stay and then to sign Seabrook next year. Toews and Kane certainly didn’t take a home town discount why should they?
Yeah, past history shos that Bowman and most teams always like around 2 mil of wiggle room. And the short sightedness of bridging Saad for a couple is just that. You are taking a short term solution and Bowman will be thinking towards a Seabrook resign. JohnO might love to stay, but then a another third player goes because Saad GETS a big deal and Oduya needs to feel he is being treated like more than a part, because I think the league knows he is a valuable commodity and also every player knows when the last big contract is on the horizon.
It just is sort of naive to think this is an easy two player tade and presto it is fixed.
Bickell is not a replacement for Thornton. Bickell isn’t much of a fighter at all. Most he has ever had is 2 fights in an NHL season and most of the time he loses his fights when he does fight. If Florida did make that trade for Bickell, it wouldn’t be to protect anyone on their roster.
With the Flyer history of taking risks on underperforming talent (Daigle, Gratton, Brendl) and even as far back as John Leclair, I can see them making a play for Yakupov. Depending on how the draft plays out-A D-man, centre or winger, I can see them shopping some of their current young talent along with the Tbay #1 for Yakupov.
cant really see a deal between oilers and flyers both teams are in need of dmen
Forwards can still be shuffled for age preference or to move a high risk high reward player for someone of the same age who is more surefire but more of a role-player. Philly has a few role players that Edmonton could entertain moving Yakupov for, like Sean Couturier. With Philly, you just never know.
In order to get Yakapov, it would have to be something that the Oilers really need. They don’t need another 1st round pick. If Philly had a top 2 d man in his prime they wanted to trade they might be able to get him in some type of deal. But not for a 1st and some young talent. It’s not what the Oilers need. Makes no sense from this side.
I agree oiler if yakupov is moved its for defense depending on what quality could be the 16th pick as well
It’s too difficult to evaluate a fair deal for Yakupov in terms of a defenseman.
Name a d he could be traded for, and I could probably tell you something wrong with the trade.
ya I could tell something right about it? this is an opinion site nobody is ever right on here about anything lol just a bunch of armchair gms saying what they think
No suggestions? Okay…
Spurgeon from Minnesota.
Ellis from Nashville
chara,oel,subban,doughty,klein,emelin,phaneuf,beuchamin,stralman,hedman,klein,gardiner,rielly and hamhuis breakdown everyone of those guys and give me a detailed evaluation! lol
Ellis…
JAOF, you’ll soon find out that your new GM under values his own players while over valuing others.
Lol. We will see. The Seguin trade had a lot of dimensions.
Lets remember that this list of teams which Kessel chooses/updates every year is a GUESS by bobo and in no way the actual list…however if bobo is correct or close with his guess, it clearly shows Kessel wants input where he ends up. It seems he is happy to stay however like he said, if they want to move him he’ll go but you bet he’s gonna have a say and I think that’s not reasonable for anyone to want.
I agree ron kessel will have his say for sure its 7 more years wherever he ends up
Pen’s don’t need another overrated winger like Kessel, we already have Kunitz and Perron and Dupuis, But GM Rutherford is the worst GM in the NHL so it could happen
That he is. I just hope they don’t let Cole walk and re-sign him to a respectable contract. Would be a solid 2nd or 3rd pairing to replace scuderi. Hes younger and plays with a defensively responsible, physical edge – both things we need more of on the backend.
Am I the only one who thinks that the 16th overall pick is to much to give for a goalie that has yet to prove he can handle a full season as number 1? And was the part of a bigger deal with yakapov was that with nyr as well ? If so this is what I propose just spit balling here so please be kind I havnt looked into any cap hits so I have not taken into account
To nyr 16th overall pick and nail yakapov and ben scrivens
To EDM talbot and stall
So in essence Staal for Yak and Scrivens…
Stall just signed a long term deal with Ny. What do you think the odds are of #1 their desire to move him, #2 he is willing to go to Edmonton and waive his nmc? I think slim on both sides.
Another thought….Why does NY want to add $1 million (scrivens)more than they are paying Talbot?
I think it is clear that Brandon Saad wants to stay in Chicago, but thinking a team doesn’t have all their picks doesn’t shut them out…To acquire Kessell didn’t Burkie get the Balckhawks to return Toronto’s second rounder to him? He them went a different direction and didn’t use the RFA and struck a deal with the Bruins, but sure all those teams are out by virtue missing the picks, but they can try and reacquire…just saying.
Edmonton better not make the same mistake they have made it seems like hundreds of times by trusting a back up goalie to be the next great starting goalie and trade the 16th pick for a back up.
Ottawa and Vancouver have 3 goalies and based on cap space they would be willing to move Anderson or Miller for a song. Edmonton needs 2 times top pairing D which are going to be difficult to require. Plenty of goalies available via trade or free agency that they should trade the 16th and other draft picks for better D.
At least they have good management in place to make it happens and not those clowns.
Colorado arguably did that and Varlamov is now their starting goaltender.
The way Talbot played in New York to end the season, they might actually be able to meddle out a 1st + 2nd next year or a first (16-30) + a 4th this year.
Charelli isn’t giving up the 16th pick for a 27 year old goalie with 52 games of NHL experience.
Bruins are talking about getting back to Bruin hockey if so how could they possibly trade Looch. Loui or Seids maybe but not there physical leader.
To me, this is true. I don’t see why this is being entertained.
I could have sworn Sweeney said just the opposite. They want to play a faster more aggressive puck pursuit game defensively & open up a little bit more to generate offense!
I do not see Doan going anywhere at this stage of his career. His effectiveness is behind him.
would rather see the Oilers move the 16th pick for Craig Anderson or John Gibson but Cam Talbot would be a solid pick up. then sign Ramo and trade Scrivens.
i would like to see:
Eberle/Scrivens/prospect to Anaheim
for
John Gibson/Hampus Lindholm/prospect.
Cam Fowler will move before Lindholm.
Anaheim isn’t moving either Gibson, Fowler or Lindholm. Anaheim has set themselves up to compete for the cup for years. They have tons of cap space to boot. This is the most well structured cap team in the NHL.
Lucic or Sharp on the left. side with Tavares and Okposo would be nice , Isles will want to make a statement with the move coming next year.
I agree… That would be a nice line going into Brooklyn. Sharp/Tav/Oko. Then go out sign Johnas Gustavson as a backup to Halak.
Then the harder trade… go after Dougie Hamilton if Bos is looking. If not theres a few you can go after. A little toughness on D. Barrett Jackman, Phaneuf, or someone like that.
But the biggest unpredictable trade would be Eric Staal on the wing of Taveres… that would be crazy.
Since the Oilers hit the jackpot with McDavid I have had the displeasure of listening to them banter on about trades and my god, you lot are the most one eyed, over/undervaluing bunch of ‘fans’ i’ve come across. You make Habs fans a pleasure to talk to.
I know you’ve put up with years of suckiness but god please just stop. The trade proposals you lot come up with are absolutely horrendous and one sided. Anyone would think the Oilers have been winning cups the last 5 years with the value you lot put on your players.
Here’s some info from an outsider
Hall is a great player no doubt….But he misses huge chunks the season every year due to injury, no GM is gonna overpay for him, thats why he’s still in Deadmenton. He’s played 70 games once in his career and hasn’t hit 30 goals yet because he’s made of glass and can’t stay healthy.
Eberle is a silky skilled sniper who is great at putting the puck in the net or setting up team mates….but hes a box of Kleenex that floats around cos he doesn’t like the physical stuff. That’s why the ‘Eberle to Boston’ rumours stayed rumours, because they weren’t going to send a roster player, 1st rounder, and a good prospect in return for a powder puff that makes $6million.
Yakupov has been a complete failure yet anyone would think hes been top 10 scoring league-wide since he was drafted by the way you guys talk about whats ‘fair’ value for him. Im all for a little bias but its getting a bit out of hand.
Now saying Draisaitl is more valuable than Dougie Hamilton is just absolute rubbish. Please wake up! There is a reason Edmonton have been crap for so long even though they’ve picked 1st, 1st, 1st, 7th 3rd, the last 5 years. They don’t know what Defence is, you should be sending your ‘valuable’ players to get help on the blue line. McDavid isn’t gonna save you guys if you haven’t got any defence everyone knows this.
Filing that under “I wish I said that!”
Striker on June 14, 2015 at 9:31 pm
I could have sworn Sweeney said just the opposite. They want to play a faster more aggressive puck pursuit game defensively & open up a little bit more to generate offense!
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exactly what Sweeney and Neely both said
if the Bruins end up trading away Looch then I would like to see them move up in draft and draft Crouse….who could fill his spot in a couple of years. Trading Lucic and not signing back McQuaid will really make this team soft so they may as well see if they could move Seindberg also and really clear cap space…….Lot of decisions to be made in Bruin land