Latest on Dustin Byfuglien, Jonathan Drouin, Jiri Hudler, Loui Eriksson and more in your NHL rumor mill.Â
Highlights from TSN’s “Insider Trading.”
Jets reportedly still trying to re-sign defenseman Dustin Byfuglien.
TSN: Pierre LeBrun believes Winnipeg Jets defenseman Dustin Byfuglien will remain atop the list of potential trade bait as the Feb. 29 trade deadline approaches if he doesn’t re-sign with the Jets. Among the teams interested in Byfuglien are the Los Angeles Kings, who would love to have him fill the gap on their blueline left by the departed Slava Voynov. LeBrun believes the Kings, who lack a first-round pick, could offer up players and prospects to entice the Jets. He also believes the Dallas Stars have interest.
Darren Dreger reports many NHL GMs consider the Jets as the primary domino to get the trade ball rolling, perhaps within the next two weeks. If they cannot re-sign Byfuglien and fellow UFA Andrew Ladd, both could be shopped.
SPECTOR’S NOTE: Tim Campbell of the Winnipeg Free Press reports talks have stepped up between the Jets and Byfuglien while negotiations with Ladd seemed to have cooled. That’s why I think for now it’s Ladd, rather than Byfuglien, who’s the most likely to be dealt. Of course, that could change over the next two-three weeks, depending on contract talks. In addition to the Kings and Stars, Byfuglien’s also been linked to the Washington Capitals and Florida Panthers in recent trade speculation. I’m sure that list will grow if the Jets decide to deal him before Feb. 29.
Bob McKenzie reports there’s nothing on the table that would warrant the New York Islanders honoring defenseman Travis Hamonic’s request to be dealt to a Western Canadian team. If that changes between now and the deadline, it’s still a difficult trade to make. The Edmonton Oilers and perhaps the Winnipeg Jets (depending on what happens with Byfuglien and RFA Jacob Trouba) could be in the mix.
SPECTOR’S NOTE: Isles GM Garth Snow reportedly wants a comparable blueliner in return. Unless he changes his mind, trading Hamonic won’t happen until this summer.Â
McKenzie claims it’s all quiet on the Jonathan Drouin trade front. Tampa Bay Lightning GM Steve Yzerman continues to make phone calls but there’s nothing imminent. Interest from the St. Louis Blues in Drouin seems to have cooled, though that doesn’t mean they’re not still in there with other teams.
Dreger claims there’s interest in Toronto Maple Leafs defenseman Roman Polak. He also feels other players on short contracts, like forwards Shawn Matthias and P-A Parenteau, will likely be on the move.
LeBrun claims some teams have interest in Calgary Flames winger Jiri Hudler, but the Flames want to see if there’s a chance to reach the playoffs in the next couple of weeks. LeBrun doubts that happens and expects the pending UFA will get traded.
TSN 960 (VIA TODAY’S SLAPSHOT) Dreger also feels the St. Louis Blues remain a primary contender for Drouin. The Montreal Canadiens also have interest, but Dreger doubts the Lightning trade Drouin within their division.
Highlight’s from Friedman’s latest “30 Thoughts.”
SPORTSNET: Elliotte Friedman also weighed in on the Byfuglien and Ladd contract speculation, believing the Jets want to re-sign the former but the sticking point remains contract term, while things seem to be at a standstill with Ladd.
There were reports claiming Drouin was demanding a top-six role with a new team, but that doesn’t appear to be the case, as he simply wants a fresh start elsewhere. Friedman also believes the Blues seem the most interested in Drouin, but they first want to see how left wing Jaden Schwartz performs when he finally returns from an ankle injury
The Anaheim Ducks are overflowing with defensemen. The Stars would like to add a blueliner, but it remains to be seen if GM Jim Nill pursues one. The Minnesota Wild still want to add a scorer, while the Calgary Flames control the goalie market. It remains to be seen what the Vancouver Canucks blueline will look like after the deadline.
Friedman suggests Flames winger Jiri Hudler might be a good fit for the Wild, though they prefer size too.
SPECTOR’S NOTE: The Wild are reportedly willing to move a defenseman (perhaps Jonas Brodin) for a scorer, but I don’t see them doing that for a rental player like Hudler. Perhaps for a winger that can stick with them beyond this season. Â
The Montreal Canadiens won’t make any short-term moves until they know when goalie Carey Price (sidelined by a suspected knee injury) will return.
SPECTOR’S NOTE: . With the Habs in free fall, they’re not dealing from a position of strength anymore. Rather than quick-fix deals, maybe they should focus on cutting some dead wood and look toward rebuilding this summer. Price’s absence has exposed the Canadiens weaknesses, particularly at forward.
A few GMs expect the Washington Capitals to make one more big addition.
Latest on the Bruins and Blackhawks.
NBC SPORTS: Boston Bruins right wing Loui Eriksson said his 14-team trade list, which by the terms of his contract he must submit to management at the start of each season, remains unchanged. Â There’s growing speculation the Bruins could trade the pending UFA if he’s unsigned by the trade deadline. The Bruins have made a contract extension offer to his agent since Christmas.
SPECTOR’S NOTE: The Bruins, however, won’t just give Eriksson away simply to avoid losing him for nothing. They’ll need a return that helps them now and in the future, so a draft pick and a prospect won’t do. If they can’t find a suitable return, they’re better off retaining him for a playoff push.
CHICAGO TRIBUNE: Chris Hine reports there’s talk around the league the Blackhawks want to add a top-four defenseman or a top-six forward, preferably a left wing to skate alongside Jonathan Toews and Marian Hossa. It appears they’re leaning more toward a forward to beef up their offense.
SPECTOR’S NOTE: The Blackhawks are third in scoring this season, but the bulk of that is coming from Patrick Kane’s line. GM Stan Bowman’s been busy in the trade market this season and could be again near the deadline.Â
Dreger’s main source of info from the Leafs was cut off with the departure of Dave Nonis so presumably he’s getting that info from other teams. No surprise there is interest in Polak and he will be dealt. I suspect Parenteau will also find a new home along with Grabner.
The ones I think are less likely are Matthais, Boyes, Winnik, Spaling due to weak play and other factors. It’s possible that Komarov moves as well, and even though everyone loves him and the intangibles, I’d pack his bags for a late 1st or package of a 2nd + B prospect.
Think a second and a b type prospect seems like about all we should hope for. 1 goal last 10 games scoring touch (him amd Bozak both) seems to be disappearing. That seems to be a reasonable over payment for a 3rd line guy.
Polak will probably be the best return, unless they move someome and take back a salary dump, or move a more unexpected guy like Gardiner.
Nobody expected the +20 SH% to last forever so I don’t think this recent lack of production changes things. What we’ve seen is the guy is a real solid, consistent worker that can play a two way game and score when given opportunities. He can also play with skill and finish. All those things make him a 3rd line + type of player that can play up or down the lineup. So, I don’t think it’s unreasonable that we could get a better return than a typical third liner, in fact, I don’t think he moves for that type of return – it pretty much has to be an over-payment.
I question the “finnish” he has as its never proven to be true prior to this year but I agree on alot of the rest you say. I think Winnik got an overpayment last year and that is what realistically is probably about the best outcome for Komarov aswell. With all his attributes and the benefits of minutes pp time and all the other things that contributed to his crazy success this year how much has the team with the least wins in the league really benifited? I dont think Komarov is the missing piece to any puzzles. Good 3rd liner on anyteam (I really like the guy and how he plays), but I dont think he drastically changes much, as some let on.
All players have hot & cold spells. I assume you mean 1 goal in 10 games before last night? Seguin just broke his cold spell. He’d been brutal for 10 games as well & he’s a superstar playing with far better talent & by no means am I comparing Komorov to Seguin except to say everyone has hot & cold spells.
I have Komorov with 2 goals & 4 points in his last 7 games. I only went back far enough to find his 2nd goal. Came up 30% short of 10 games so I assume you meant before he scored last night.
These #’s are far more important to me. 49 games, 17 goals & 16 assists for 33 points. That’s good enough for a tie at 32nd in goals in the NHL with Spezza, Brassard, Tavares, Backstrom, O’Reilly, Parise, Atkinson, Doan, Hartnell, Jenner & Anisimov. That would make him the best 3rd line winger in the world. His 33 points rank him 69th tied with Larkin, Zetterberg, Nash & Barkov.
Now using that math again. If each team has 2 wingers per line & there is 30 teams & Komorov’s a 3rd line winger that would be 4 wingers; 1st & 2nd line wingers per team, X 30 teams equals 120 wingers better than Komorov!
I don’t think you can sell me on that. Quantity & quality on ice time coupled with skill & opportunity to play with better players is a huge factor in production. Take this a way from any player & they will struggle to produce. See Clarkson & hundreds of others.
Komorov sits at 153 NHL games played, 47 from my break out point for forwards. He’s playing as the 1st line RW in Babcock’s system getting 2nd line power play time & producing because of it. quanity, quality, opportunity & decent skills. Not a supertar, not a star an average player who’s getting all the other things needed to produce.
Trading him makes zero sense unless the offer is to good to refuse. You need not worry. He won’t be moved for a 2nd & a B prospect. His production based on every player in the NHL, all skaters has him as the in a tie for 32nd in goals & 69th in points. A 2nd & a B grad prospect give your head a shake. At 2.95 million for this & next season that is incredible value & Babcock loves him.
None of Toronto’s prospects will be ready to replace him for years.
Excellent points, Striker.
Its 2 goals in his past 20 games Striker despite pp time and a tone of minutes…its not a cold streak its what he is Striker normally about a 9% shooter who doesnt shoot much, got on a hot streak. Not getting into the untouchable third liner who speaks different languages and has a cute nick name debate. Comparing a 40 goal top line center not scoring in 10 games to Komarov who freqently will not score much in 10 games is the height of grasping at straws
Komorov will make a great leader & role model for the kids coming & as they are ready to move up the line up, Komorov will move down. When he is dropping out of the top 6 then maybe you trade him. His contract demands after this contract will determine his future with Toronto.
He is signed for just 1 more season, realistically how many “kids” you see on the big club next year? Personally I think 4 max. And some of them wont be all that “kid” like.
Nylander is a hockey brat whos dad played in the league for year Im prettty sure after playing in with him in Sweden and liviing that type of life as a kid he has an idea whats in store.
I assume your picking 20 random games Shticky, as the last 20 games takes us back to Dec 17th. In the 20 games following Komorov has 7 goals & 8 assist for 15 points.
Point of interest. In the 10 games you started with Toronto as an entire team had only scored 9 goals. Komorov accounted for almost 25% of those.
Maybe your using the metric system! Because using standard math, 7 goals & 15 points in his last 20 games when Toronto can’t score to save their lives is pretty impressive to me.
Shiticky. I assume your randomly selecting 20 games or perhaps your using the metric system! 20 games takes us back to Dec 17th. In the 20 games following Komorov has 7 goals & 15 points in 20 games!
Using your last 10 & that counts the 4 they scored last night Toronto has scored 9 goals. Komorov accounting for almost 25% of them.
Last 20 games 7 goals & 15 points. Are you using the metric system?
Great points Striker and you’re right. He is a heart and soul player who is a fantastic fit to this hockey team. He bangs and plays hard and has scored his way onto the top line. (He also gets no credit on the score sheet for the game winner last night that he helped produce in front on the net, PP.) In order to build a quality hockey team you need quality players. You can’t trade away every player that succeeds or else what do you have left? And whose job is he taking away the coming years? He provides way more than SH% to the Leafs.
I have no idea how many rookies Toronto is looking to add to the roster next season. If it’s 4 I’ll be shocked. That’s 25% of the starting roster. I would think 2 out of the gate possibly a 3rd by the All-Star break.
Toronto has said they are going to build properly. That means a slow introduction starting on lower lines slowly learning their roles & responsibilities & working their way up. Sheltered minutes to allow for proper mental development.
I see Toronto adding a bunch more veterans this off season on 1 or 2 year deals to flush out the roster.
Developing prospects usually means maximizing their junior eligibility, then at least 1 full season in the minors but usually closer to 2.
I don’t claim to have a clue but teams that try to introduce 2 many rookies at 1 time have a history of failing miserably & hurting those prospects development.
bang on arnie… you don’t just move leo cause you can the guy brings so much more to the table besides stats! some people fail to realize that
2 goals 17 games apollogies…lol jeez striker its still 2 goals since prior to christmas, and earlier in the year he had 1 goal in 13 games so its not like he is persistantl scoring when yo look at it whats more likely the guy who has 3 goals in a 30 game span, or the one whos put up 14 goals in 19 games Id say thats pretty inconsistent with a guy with “touch” and more consistent with a guy with a hotstreak getting a tone of bounces.
Tagreed possibly 4 max and yoire right not all 1 time so who are all these “kids” that Komarov is going to be so invaluable too next year? Again I dont think a team thats building properly signs a 31 year 3rd liner to an extension.
12 goals in his prior 104 games…2 goals last 17 games, 1 other “cold” streak of 1 goal in 13 games…its beyond me how people dont realize Komarov at best is a 10-12 goal guy..
Jees is right. You can’t just pick the worst scenario possible & use it that way you do to paint a desired picture. I assume you looked at how many goals Toronto scored in those 17 games prior to last night?
The NHL season is made up of 82 games. Not 17, not 10 & not 20. I just debated your #’s as your painting the wrong picture & your #’s were beyond wrong & totally misleading. Now if for what ever reason you want to look at 17 games he has 8 points in that time frame on a total of 28 goals scored by Toronto.
Now here’s a # for you. Since Toronto lost it’s best forward, JVR 9 games ago, they have averaged 1 goal a game, that’s right 9 goals & this is a team struggling to score when everyone is healthy. Komorov has accounted for almost 25% of them.
komorov is a 3rd liner on most teams in the nhl!! nothing more nothing less. guys like him are great for rebuilding teams cause he doesn’t take a shift off and works extremely hard
Striker you are using a guy shooting over 20%for a 17 game saying he can score goals and I am painting an inaccurate picture?
shticky babcock just raved about komorov does that mean there is no way they will trade him? kinda like you say about kadri or that doesn’t matter cause babcock isn’t helping your argument? lol
I think it has more to do with you not understanding player development which isn’t age related but related to NHL experience.
This is Komorov’s 3rd season in the NHL; again he’s played 153 NHL games to date, his 1st season was the lockout shorten season & then he left to return to the KHL for a year.
80% of all players follow a standard development curve, 200 games to break thru offensively in the NHL for forwards, 400 games for NHL Dman & forwards 6’3″ & larger. The other 20% are the exception to this rule in either a positive or negative way. Again this boils down to the 4 things I listed in a previous post, skill, opportunity to play with really good players & quality & quantity of ice time.
We don’t really even know yet what Komorov is yet as although he may well be 29 years old, just like a rookie NHL’er entering the NHL at 18, 19, 20, 21 what have you, there is an adjustment period regardless of age & that’s in or around 200 games. Being older he’s more mature so he might be able to accelerate that time line.
Time will tell us what Komorov truly is as frankly I have no clue & neither do you. What he appears to be potentially is a very good top 6 NHL winger who does everything you want a player to do.
I proposed this last year but now might be a better time since it’s so close to the TDL.
Simple Head to Head competition between Striker and Schticky, whoever gets most answer correct wins. We can pick some topics at random, for example:
1. Will stamkos test free agency, if not, what will he sign at.
2. What is Polak’s value?
3. What will Drouin fetch?
4. Is edmonton going to move one of their young guys?
5. What goalie get’s moved?
Feel free to add to this.
Let’s settle this debate once and for all
2 more years for Komorov after this season Shiticky not 1.
Komorov has 2 more seasons after this year Shticky not 1.
Having some trouble posting comments here so apologies if there is a repeat. Any reasons Lyle?
I proposed a friendly competition last year to settle the never ending Schticky & Striker debate. How about each of you make a few predictions and the accuracy will determine who just shades the other in trade related knowledge. A few examples of predictions;
1. Will Stamkos test Free agency?
2. What will Drouin’s price be?
3. What will polak get traded for?
4. Will it be Ladd traded or Buff? What is the return for Ladd?
5. What are some goalie predictions, movement and/or price?
Feel free to add suggestions to this.
wow man, write a book next time
There is a time lagging or vetting issue. I have the same issues. I often assume they vanished into cyberspace but 3o 40 mins later they just appear after you’ve tried reentering numerous times, leading to the same basic post eventually showing up repeatedly.
Remember Ryan Smyth being a great leader and example to young players. Or Gionta, or Ferrance, or Georges, or Bolland yes younger guys can benefit from vets and their leadership, but the question is how m6ch benefit? The Leafs are currently the team with the least wins, may have a few young guys in the line up next year but its not going to be bursting at the seams with 18 year olds.
If you go by Babcocks interview, you’ll never get Komorov for that price and for Bozak would fetch, the leafs would be better off keeping him
Babcock did a lot of tire pumping early into his tenure in Toronto – I don’t think that’s what you go by. Having said that, I think we all agree that Komarov is a priced piece to the Leafs at their current stage because of the intangibles and it’s going to take an overpayment to get him. Whether that’s a 1st or a 2nd + A/B prospect or whatever is another question.
Were wasting allot of time talking about a player that Toronto won’t be moving at this time or even next season, possibly in 2 years as we approach the trade deadline if he can’t be signed for monies acceptable to Toronto.
Shanahan, Lou & Babcock have all been preaching building properly. This type of player is essential to the new work ethic & structure Babcock wants to play. He isn’t going any where unless the offer is ridiculously lopsided in Toronto’s favor.
Were wasting our time beating this dead horse but again anything is possible just not for the returns your talking about. I don’t see Toronto moving Komorov unless it’s a solid 1st; 10 to 18, & a decent B grade prospect. His salary of 2.95 for 2 more seasons & his on ice contribution are simply to valuable to the rebuild & that contract provides a ton of cap flexibility.
@Dan39 You can’t trade everyone and Komorov isn’t an easy player to replace as some people suggest. He has a lot of qualities that aren’t normally found in one player. If he continues to develop his scoring you have a gem of a player, regardless of his age. To give him away as a couple people suggest is crazy. I’d rather gamble his scoring ability continues. Plus you notice no rumours where he’s going, even Kadri is linked to the wild. Wideman suspended 20 games I heard
good post about komorov yogi he brings so much more! 20 games wow!
I think if anyone offers up a 1st for a 3rd liner you laugh your butt off and run to the bank. Keep in mind that he’s a 3rd liner on a bottom third team. Part of his production stems from the playing time and opportunities he gets because there isn’t a lot of talent in his way. If the Leafs value him as more than a late 2nd or early 3rd I doubt he moves.
I watched the insider trading piece and Dreger actually said there will be interest in Polack, not that their was interest. Not sure Polack gets all that big a return either unless there are very few sellers at the deadline.
Perron was on an 11 goal / 41 pt pace the year he was dealt for a 1st.
Komarov is on pace for 28 goals / 55 pts.
Dan39-How would you know that Dreger’s Leaf source is only Nonis. I get a kick out fans who question the likes od Mackenzie, Dreger, and Freidman-the most well connected in the industry.
Scott, I’m glad you’re having a chuckle this afternoon, but the Dreger-Nonis relationship is as well established as it possibly could be. In Toronto, serious fans know that they are cousins.
Even without that, you look at how he was in on every scoop with the management opinion (not players) through the various signings and negotiations it’s pretty clear.
In fact, it is so clear that articles were actually published on the issue. Look it up, not pulling your leg.
Dan39-Glad you can read Wikipedia (that makes you a serious fan)-that you know they are cousins-still doesn’t tell me he has no other connections
The Bruins need D Zone help ASAP….waiting until trade deadline isn’t the right move…..package Eriksson with a 1st rd draft pick for a Dman
Well after his showcase last night, I think Polak would be available for thst price 🙂
Shticky, we could easily have a pair of picks for Polak. These solid, hard working, durable guys are exactly what you want to add for depth to your playoff run. I mean, Polak is like the posterchild for that kind of TDL acquisition, especially on D. I’m starting to get more excited about this TDL.
I agree just kidding around mostly here. Polak has been great this year and will be an excellent addition for someone looking for this type of guy.
Suspect you could get a couple of picks for Polack. Perhaps a 3rd and a 5th?
No thanks, I watched that game. I wouldn’t offer a trade for Polak.
im starting to agree caper unless your team has some injuries on defense polak is a 6 dman
Hey look big bear its the guy who gets lost in his own end thats not very good defensively. Ended the night plus three with a goal and assist
Nazem Kadri absolutely crushes Brad Marchand ?
https://t.co/7vKyFScReI
Shticky, at last you have something to hang your hat on. Kadri had a very strong game. As I said keep Polak, don’t want him.
why don’t you bring up the last 10 games shticky….nevermind I forgot you only use stats and games that help your argument( as shown above with what your doing with striker)lol
Was just kidding around with Polak to Boston. Dont think he is an answer or really much of a fit there.
exactly caper one strong game in how many?? lmao. oops bad move by me shticky is gonna start throwing out stats like crazy
Bigbear, nobody is arguing that he’s a top 4 D. He’s a depth D, but a solid, responsible, durable one – perfect for a playoff run. It’s possible he could net the Winnik return of a 2nd +.
If ya actually watched games big bear I wouldnt need to throw stats at ya, Kadri is leading forward in icetime is a +3 3rd amongst forward for block shots 2nd in hits over 50% on draws and has 9 goals 3 in his last 4 games and 20 points in the last 25 all while drawing 2.7 penalties a game …not bad for a team that cant score according to Striker this isnt even getting in to posession type numbers like last niht he was a 75% posession player against Bergeron
dan39… I think he will get traded im just not sure how much he is gonna get in return but your right he would be a good guy to have around incase of injury. and shticky lol about the stats
Leading up to last seasons trade deadline 9 Damn moved.
Zidlicky for a 3rd.
Michalek for a 3rd & Letunov.
Petry for a 2nd & 5th.
Coburn for a 1st, 3rd & Gudas.
Yandle & a 4th for Duclair, Moore, a 1st & 2nd. Arz eating 1/2 his salary.
Gleason for a 4th.
Timonen for a 2nd & 4th.
Sekera for a 1st.
Franson & Santorelli for a 1st.
Polak has been playing as the #5 Dman in Toronto averaging 19:15 TOI/GP. He’s 3rd in the NHL for hits by Dman, his 87 bs’s are good for 34th for Dam he leads Toronto for Dman in both catagories. His plus 10 leads all Toronto Dman by a significant margin. The next closest is even Hunwick is the worst at minus 7.
Polak should garner a late 2nd early 3rd & a B grade prospect. Most B grade prospects don’t even make the NHL for more than anything but a cup of coffee. I wouldn’t be shocked to see Toronto bring him back next season as a UFA after he’s moved at the deadline this year. Similar to what Toronto did with Winnik last season. Moved him to Pittsburgh for a 2nd & 4th & then brought him back only to be flipped again either this season or next.
Polak would be a great fit for either Chicago or Washington & their 2nds are essentially 3rd’s.
After last night’s game and this entire season, I wouldn’t mind the Rangers blowing this team up and starting over.
I watched the Rangers game last night. They played well enough. No Nash, 1st game back after a long break, gave up 2 power play goals Lundquist could have played better. It’s not clicking like the previous 2 seasons but I’m not a proponent of blowing it up. NYR is integrating several young players, Kreider, Miller, Fast, Hayes, & Lindberg playing key roles & there are growing pains.
Boyle & Yandle will both be moving on next season & if Kreider doesn’t break through soon he may well be moved but being a big body 6’3″ he takes a little longer to develop, more like Dman but he & Hayes have disappointed this season. Hayes is another big body that is unfortunately experiencing the dreaded sophomore slump to some extent.
When you have so much money committed to 9 players it makes it hard to flush out the rest of your roster. Don’t give up, the Rangers have the pieces to get on track. All that really has to happen is Lundquist does his usual 2nd 1/2 heroics.
Been a hard core Rangers fan for 30+ years now, the last 3-4 seasons have been absolutely incredible to watch, they finally had a system and identity that made them a formidable opponent and it has but great watching them. This year, right from game 1, they seem to have completely abandoned everything that has made them successful over that time, they went from being a defensive powerhouse (top 3 in the league)to a team that has a hard time getting out of their own way. Lundquist looks average at best this season (I knew the early season heroics couldn’t be maintained for 82 games) and the D-men in front of him can’t contain the opposition for some reason this year. Hoping they can turn it around real soon, but if this is how the team is playing for the remainder of the regular season they may end up missing the playoffs or if the sneak in get bumped in the 1st round. Not sure that trading away anyone at this point would help because it’s the team as a whole (other than J.T.) that seems to be having issues.
Agreed although Lundqvist 2nd 1/2 stats are compelling & I’m not betting against those odds. The issue for me is that Girardi & Staal just don’t look like the players they were even as recently as last season.
While we’re in the business of trade fantasizing, I wonder if the following might make sense (even if it never happens):
– NYI trade Hamonic to the Oilers
– EDM trade Eberle to Minnesota
– MIN trade one of their D to NYI
Every team get what they’re looking for in that scenario.
Seems like the Isles need it to be a(n always unlikely) three-way trade. Not sure how they’ll get Hamonic-like player for Hamonic in a 1-for-1 swap, otherwise.
Makes sense to me. Eberle’s cap hit could be problematic for Minny with Zucker, Dumba & Kemper all RFA’s & Spurgeon’s 5.188 contract kicking in next season. It could be done if the right Dman’s contract is moved out.
Oilers would need to get a bit more in return. but for the most part its a solid deal.
So many dmen potentially available the Oilers have to grab someone. Buff, Trouba, Hamonic, Hamhuis, Vatanen, Lindholm, Fowler, Dumba, Scandella, Brodin, the list goes on. Not too sure about trading Eberle though. McDavid and Eberle haven’t had much time to play together due to mutual injuries but they looked great last night. Draisaitl and Hall seem to be a good pairing so looking like its time to trade RNH. too bad he was injured that totally screws over the Oilers right now. Maybe in the off season they can trade RNH for Lindholm. or for Hamonic+
If I’m Snow I’m not moving Hamonic for Eberle.
Hamonic has 4 years left under 4 mil and is a top pairing D man. If I’m Snow I’d agree to take Eberle if he was carrying the Oilers 1st rounder in his pocket. Same with RNH. Too injury prone, badly overpaid and not enough production.
Eberle isn’t worth a D-man that’s in the top 4. Way overpaid for his production level. Oilers would need to add something significant to get that conversation started. The D Minny are dangling are mostly prospect types who need more time so not sure they actually fit the need the Isles have for a current D.
I think the Isles could get what they want if they moved Okposo in a deal for a D man (Shattenkirk?). Not sure what else would need to go in either direction. Then move Hamonic for another piece.
Striker, if your comparing Jones/Murray to Krug and Yandle my proposal would be for the bruins to sign Yandle, then trade him along with Krug to Columbus for Jones. That’s the type of dman I’m looking for. you know what Chara use to be. That’s why I would of liked Seabrook and now I’m holding out hope for Byfuglien. I want a guy who can score and play with an edge. Maybe a deal with WPG for Trouba if they resign Byfuglien. As far as Danglers go we have Krug, Morrow and C.Miller; 2 of them not established yet but with god potential. We need a stud and Yandle isn’t it. Keep the money, package a deal and get a stud. and trade CHARA!!!!!
Not comparing them at all. Just a money reference. How teams are paying their D’s.
Its one in the same, you cant you that comparison unless your using like skill set.
I have no idea what Morrow is yet. Miller won’t be ready for a full time role as a top 4 Dman for another 3 or 4 years. Boston can’t afford another 7 million dollar plus Dman who’s going to want 8 years at 31 years of age. If you don’t like Chara’s declining skating ability you will like Buffy’s less & we’ll be having this same conversation about Buffy in 6 years.
Boston is in a rebuild, young players are being worked in at both forward & D. I’d love a Jones to, so would everyone but by far the hardest asset to find in the NHL. Your best hope is to draft 1 & develop him if you can even pick high enough to get 1 or lucky enough for 1 to drop into the later rounds which is really just luck unless your Nashville a breeding ground for NHL Dman most drafted late. By late I mean 2nd round or later. As few players not drafted in the 1st 45 picks even make it to the NHL as regulars & the few that do are in a very small minority.
Boston’s Top 4 is set for the next 2 years. Chara, Krug, Sedenberg & McQuad. The 3 kids will keep rotating in & out so all continue to develop. I assume Miller will resign.
Boston could trade for a top 4 Dman on a short term deal, no more than 1 more season & send C. Miller down for the remainder of this season. He would have to clear wavers next season as Trotman & Morrow do now. None of these 3 kids aren’t getting claimed on wavers. I’m not adverse to moving Sedenberg just not certain what is gained. His salary, contribution & role work for me. Solid defensive Dman. Not a pugilist unfortunately nor is he punishing anyone but he hits & blocks shots, he just hits clean & not to hurt.
Striker, I think that you sometimes watch a hockey game , and you say gee looks like he had a good game and this guy look good also. Then you hop onto your computer and start looking at all the fancy stats and come back and say “no he was terrible last night and the other guy wasn’t as good as I thought either.” What I’m simply saying is I bet you a $1000 that I could put a team on the ice, that would compete with any team you put together using your fancy stats. Fancy stats are used to help evaluate but by no means are they the end of a debate.
thank you caper!!! that’s all fancy stats are but so much more goes into how good or bad the team is who they play with what system the coach plays etc etc etc. one player good have great stats on one team and terrible ones on another
I would hope everybody already knows this. GMs and scouts say it all the time. They wouldn’t have all the people on hand if advanced stats and numbers analysis was a be all end all solution. Maybe in the far future it is, but we are far from there.
Striker isnt using analytics…those are kind of simple stats, and for something thats so useless, kinda curious why all these teams are hiring up all these analytical types and setting up analytical departments. Not sayimg they are the be all and end all, but some people who actually watch alot of hockey actuality use them to explain things. No one is saying they are the end of a debate, the debate over stats generally comes from people who dont understand them. “Eye test” can be just as biased and way more random. Its fine to have an opinion but if you cant back it up by using any example or anything factual whats the point? “This guy is terrible cause I say so… ” then argue along providing no reason youll excuse some of us if we
question that there are a whole bunch of professional
scouts posting here on Spectors Hockey, if you
disagree that’s fine but imo it seemd kinda dumb for a person who cant back an opinion up with anything, to turn around when some one actually can and say well stats dont really matter…lol really your biased opinion does? Im sorry you got your agents license or job scouting ftom who? If you dont like people who try to provide reason for their view than quit hitting replay to their comments instead of saying their wrong and that stats font matter.
I rarely disparage players as I respect their accomplishment just getting to the NHL even if only for a cup of coffee or like a John Scott. I only made it to Canadian University after 3 years playing what is now essentially Jr B. I played D my whole life & when my university coach recruited me he sold me on moving to center as he thought I’d die playing D at 5’7″. No scholarships, no glamour just an opportunity to keep playing is what he promised me.
I said as much. I have no clue what Komorov is. Nor Morrow. Time will tell.
I did share my views about Chara’s play with you from seeing them live against Vancouver recently. That was 1 game. Anyone can have a bad night. Hockey players are no different that the rest of us. Are you at your best everyday at work? I think not.
I don’t look at any fancy stats except zone starts. I use the eye test & old world stats. This isn’t rocket science. I do use stats when people make claims that they can’t support factually. #’s don’t lie. They are far from perfect & almost all have flaws but they do provide reference.
I’m not going to let Schticky state false information. I’m going to provide the real #’s & you guys can make your own assumptions & derive your own opinions. I’m going to make my assumptions based on the data I believe in. Skill; eye test required, line mates, quality & quantity of ice time & years of development.
For me it’s that simple.
Here’s my team.
Ovechkin, Toews, Kane.
Benn, Kopitar, Stamkos.
Geaudreau, Bergeron, Tarasenko.
Hall, O’Reilly, Wheeler.
Spares. Pavelski; can play all 3 forward positions.
Doughty, Keith.
Burns, Karlsson.
Oliver Ekman-Larsson, Weber.
Spares. Faulk & Subban.
Goalies. Holtby & Crawford.
Jezzus man it was 2 goals in 17 games instead of 20 I wasnt staring at a chart it was recalling something off the top my head…lol. fact is the same he had 2 goals in almost 6 weeks prior to his goal last night and thats not unusual for Komarov as he has gone long periods of not scoring many times before . Again my apolligies for this grevious deception.
the thing is shticky that’s all you do is read the stats! look at phil kessels stats 30 goal big point guy they are gonna get a great return for him and NO WAY!! they would ever have to retain salary! and don’t try to twist what you said around about kessel he is a prime example of how stats are only a minute part of the game! anyone who watches phil kessel knows he doesn’t try at all on defense and isn’t a great teammate. and your only way of backing things up is too google some sort of stat you obviously don’t watch all that much hockey when all you do is hit the computer back something up
K Big bear this is it last time Im gonna replay to this ridiculousness over Kessel. No I didnt think they would hold salary but its just over a mill which is not holdimg much of 8 mill a year, you on the other hand said they would have to hold half, which is 4 so for the full comtract that would be 30 million dollars comared to 9 who was closer? Phil kessel bad teammate? According to who? Name someone that said it from boston or Toronto. Maybe you are right but I dont believe a guy who stuck up for his captain, goalie and others to the media would be a bad guy in the dressing room.retty sire JVR didnt have much of a problem with getting career type goals and assists wouldnt have much to say about him, the interviews from guys on the US olympic team were all very positive things said about Kessel, so how do ypu get bad team mate from watching games? Are you in the locker room? Did you play college hockey with him? What according to watching hockey in youre opinion ssuddenly make this guy a bad team mate? Its your opinion and thats fine….I dont agree but if thats your opinion good for you. Phil Kessel is not Bergeron everyone knows this no one is saying he is, because someone is not great defensively doesnt mean he is not trying. Maybe it just means he is not great defensively. Its like saying a guy who gets 10 or 12 goals isnt trying because he didnt get 30. These to me are ridiculously biased opinions that are not backed up by anything factual.
Generally there are 2 games on a night in my house, sometimes Ill pvr a game besides that I go to games NHL and OHL, I go to games. Ive played coached watched and can read stats…things I post are an opinion of a guy who watches alot of hockey and can read a stat sheet, I make no claims of being somekind of scout or employed by the NHL you dont agree with them thats fine, but again you will have to excuse me if I dont believe you are somekind of wonder kind scout, and your opinions that cant be substantiated by any factual are just some biased opinion of guys you dont like. If you can back things up with something Ill admit that Im wrong I do it all the time, but if you can’t well then maybe just maybe its because its not true.
lol twisting things around again I said 2 million! telling your captain to stfu that’s a great teammate lol floating around the blueline not helping out in your own end…great teammate again it always doesn’t mean cause hes a nice guy! half the stats you put on here are wrong anyways and just try to help your argument
I really hope they have god potential. But I’m settling with good.
McDavid had god potential, the rest had good potential.
The hockey Press is giving eklund a run for his money as far as outlandish trade suggestions.
here’s a couple from today
byfuglien for Hamonic – was shot down a long time ago
eriksson and chara to dallas for Julias Honka, Stephen Johns, Roope Hintz, and High NHL Draft Pick
from sunday
jvr, phanuef and parenteau for ladd, trouba and draft picks
crazy stuff
Marchand got crushed large last night…..and Boston need defence badly!
If the Caps are in the running for Byfuglien, then they would need to move salary. The Caps are slammed against the cap. Bringing in Byfuglien’s $5.2M hit would require similar cap hit going out. THe ballpark players would be Laich or Orpik.
I would like to see Calgary trade Hudler to a team for a good young right handed Right wing. Calgary could trade him to Chicago for another run and take a player like Ryan Hartman. Calgary lacks right wings and Hatmsn could be a very good player with Bennet or Monahan.