Updates on Marc-Andre Fleury and Alex Chiasson, plus the latest on the Red Wings in your NHL rumor mill.
Could the Wings use Tomas Tatar or Gustav Nyquist as trade bait to land a defenseman?
MLIVE.COM: Ansar Khan responded to readers’ questions about how the Detroit Red Wings can improve their defense corps this summer. He doesn’t believe they can pry Dougie Hamilton away from the Calgary Flames or Jacob Trouba from the Winnipeg Jets, speculating the asking price would be center Dylan Larkin.
If they pursue St. Louis Blues rearguard Kevin Shattenkirk, they’ll have to give up a valuable asset to get him, perhaps Tomas Tatar or Gustav Nyquist. Khan doesn’t believe the Wings would trade Nyquist solely for the sake of moving him. The Anaheim Ducks have a plethora of young defensemen and could part with Sami Vatanen.
As for forwards, Khan believes Chicago Blackhawks left wing Andrew Ladd and St. Louis Blues right wing Troy Brouwer could be atop the Wings list of potential free-agent targets. Anaheim Ducks left wing Jamie McGinn would be a “Plan B or Plan C type”.
SPECTOR’S NOTE: While the Wing only have over $15 million in cap space next season, that could increase by $7.5 million if they can find a taker this summer for Pavel Datsyuk’s contract if he heads to Russia for next season. Should that happen, they’ll have lots of cap room to pursue a top-six winger and a top-four defenseman. They could certainly be in the bidding for Shattenkirk or Vatanen if they’re placed on the trade block leading up to the NHL draft weekend late next month. They could also look at potential free agent options such as Keith Yandle, Alex Goligoski or Brian Campbell.
NBC SPORTS: Mike Halford reports Pittsburgh Penguins goalie Marc-Andre Fleury is putting his focus on his club’s quest for the Stanley Cup and not upon his future with the franchise beyond this season. Fleury lost the starter’s job to rookie backup Matt Murray. With a possible expansion draft on the horizon, speculation is growing suggesting he could be traded this summer. During the Eastern Conference Final, Penguins GM Jim Rutherford praised Fleury’s handling of this situation and rejected the notiont that the veteran netminder no longer has a future with the club.
SPECTOR’S NOTE: If there’s an expansion draft next summer, the Penguins will have to choose between Fleury and Murray. Given the latter’s youth and performance in this year’s playoffs, it’s obvious they’ll want to protect Murray. While reports suggest players with no-movement clauses must be protected in an expansion draft, Fleury’s no-movement clause only covers waivers and demotions, as he has a partial no-trade clause. Therefore, It’s believed he can be exposed in an expansion draft. If that proves to be the case, the Pens could try to trade him this summer.
THE HOCKEY NEWS: Dhiren Mahiban reports agent Kent Hughes, who represents Ottawa Senators winger Alex Chiasson, confirms he’s expecting his client to be moved this summer. “I think that’s a potential scenario, but I don’t know if you ever really know if anything materializes until it happens,” Hughes said. “But yeah, (a trade) wouldn’t surprise me.”
SPECTOR’S NOTE: In his two seasons with the Senators, Chiasson never played up to the promise he showed with the Dallas Stars. He’s coming off a one-year, $1.2 million deal and is eligible for arbitration this summer. The Sens could attempt to trade him or perhaps simply decide not to qualify his rights, thus enabling him to depart on July 1 as an unrestricted free agent.
I know I’ve already said it but Fleury to Dallas for Niemi or Let-em-in with 1.5 retained, Julius Honka and Dallas’ first this year would be the perfect deal. If Murray goes down to injury the Penguins could bring up Tristan Jarry or Casey Desmith and not ever have to worry about playing one of Dallas’ slunks and then they could put whichever out to be available for the expansion draft since you have to put out 30% of the teams cap anyways. A new team doesn’t want either of them and if they do then good riddance. If not they could buy out tha last year of eithers contract and then have the cap space to re-sign Brian Dumoulin and Derrick Pouliot as their contracts are up.
As a pens fan even I think that is too much for MAF. Still a top ten goalie and one of the greatest people ever in the room the pens have the risk of losing him for nothing and that effects his value. Couple that with the fact that the coming market is going to be swimming in potential goalies for teams (bishop, reimer, ward, anderson, MAF, elliot/allen, howard…etc etc) and only a handful of teams looking for a starter it is a buyers market. A replacement back up that isnt overly expensive (such as niemi with salary retained) and a good prospect OR number 1 pick would be in the realm of reasonable expectations. Unfortunately the expansion draft has hit goalies value hard… bad luck for my pens.
Goalies have always been difficult to deal. Bad luck for the Pens. Look at what Ottawa got for Bishop and Lehner. Nothing huge although Lehner is viewed as a bit of an over payment and if that is an over payment the general return for a tender isn’t much. Schneider got Vancouvers 9th pick. Can’t really remember what Luongo got. Did Buffalo trade Miller or was Vancouver simply able to sign him as a free agent. Goalies are tough to move. Don’t expect huge returns when they are.
When is the last time a goaltender was traded for anything beyond a c prospect or draft picks? I’m being serious here. Because in recent history . I can think of zero.
Oops wrong place for that comment.
I agree it would be perfect. Perfect for Pittsburgh perhaps. Dallas isn’t giving up Honka their 1st round pick 14th overall from 2014 for Fluery. No slight to Fluery. Dallas’s D has huge holes & Honka is part of the long term solution.
Jim Nill has serious issues to address at D in Dallas. Goal tending isn’t the 1st prioroity. If Nill can’t resign Goligoski or Demers or replce them with the same assets or better it won’t matter who plays net in Dallas. This isn’t a good defensive team as a whole & the goalies aren’t as bad as there #’s dictate. Dallas’s run & gun offense is fun to watch but doesn’t bode well for the goalies.
Fleury is a potential solution just not at that cost.
Teams are required to expose 25% of their salary from the seasons cap the season prior to expansion.
The goalie market will be slightly depressed due to expansion looming. How much who knows but supply & demand swings in the favor of teams in need currently. There are more teams that need to move a goalie than need 1.
We seem to agree that the cost will be down but not that down. Goalie is easily Dallas’s top problem. Sure they have lots of UFA d men but resigning them or replacements shouldnt be to hard for a potential stanly cup contender. MAF would be worth a good prospect like Honka or one of the other prospect d-men in Dallas… they have a few. certainly not worth in this market honka and a 1st.
Pens would have to undersell MAF but if its to much of an undersell they are better off holding him and making a run at back to back cups with the best goalie tandem possible and lose him for nothing in the expansion. depending on expansions teams needs he may not even be selected…
Chrisms, I would never trade Honka for MAF, not in a million years. There has been serious discussions on MAFs abilities, especially in the playoffs the last several years.
Honka on the other hand is regarded as a very good puck moving d man, and will be a nice option for Dallas on the 2nd pairing behind Klingberg.
At this point with MAF’s cap hit, the fact teams know they are choosing Murray over him, and the expansion draft nearing, MAF is a borderline salary dump, the days of him landing top talent over OVER!.
I think you will eat those words. Whether its maf or one of the other top goalies its going to cost Dallas a decent asset to upgrade unless the sign reimer. Honka or their first etc. Personally I’d rather the pens dealt with someone else… Little to no interest in honka.
Agreed on the goalie dynamic but not on Honka. Not untouchable just not moving in a deal for a goalie & would be shocked to see him moved in any deal.
The market for Goalies like Fleury will be a 1st & some other asset. Just not Honka quality & again Nill isn’t moving an asset like Honka to try & solve the problem.
Dallas had better hope they can get Goligoski signed. Lossing him would be a serous blow. He’s Dallas’s #1 or 2 Dman & Klingberg’s safety net. No other Dman like him available as a UFA & you can’t trade for this type of asset unless the deal is to good to refuse for the team that might be willing to move 1. Solid 2 way Dman that accepted his role as more of a defensive Dman as oopposed to an offensive 1 since Klingberg’s arrival in the NHL.
I don’t care who plays net in Dallas. There #’s are going to suffer due to Dallas’s style of play & that’s based on last seasons team. Dallas needs a #2, 3 & 5 Dmen as we speak. Johns, Honka & Lindell are all solid young Dman but none are ready for 2 of those 3 slots.
Where is the money coming from to sign those Dman? A #2 & 3 will cost over 11 million combined. Goligoski is getting 6.5 from someone in a walk. Demers at least 4.5 both on 5 year plus contracts.
Canadianking.
MAF is still a very good goalie with a decent contract & term. He will return reasonable value. More than was paid for Lehner, Jones or Talbot last season.
A 1st at a bare minimum but even in this market more than that. Pittsburgh will get some other asset as well.
Striker… I guess we just disagree over honka… I see him as a b prospect at best. Plus pens probably need forward prospects more. Benn’s contract is going to hit soon so young dmen are going to have to step up. There are a good amount of dmen UFa so maybe cost is slightly down. Cap supposed to go slightly up.
Sorry I won’t be eating anything, Honka will not be traded for MAF. Pens have zero leverage in any MAF trade. If I’m Nill or any other GM looking for a goalie I would rather just sign a ufa like Reimer or Enroth for FREE. Or if I’m forced to trade for a goalie and its going to cost a valuable piece or two, then its for Bishop not MAF.
I don’t see the Penguins getting that great of a return for Marc-Andre Fleury either… part of the main reason is as Striker pointed out (expansion draft). Could the Penguins get back a mid-late 1st round pick, quite possibly. I could also see a team giving up a prospect that still may need some years to develop but what I don’t see a team doing is putting together a big package of assets for MAF, nor do I see a team moving an established high value defenseman who’s still young (Honka) or the similar for Marc-Andre Fleury. It’s not a knock on MAF and his ability but the prime of his career is behind him. He can still post up big numbers and would definitely be an improvement in Dallas but I just don’t see a lot of teams looking to give up a lot in terms of assets for a goalie who turns 32 in November. Dallas would be better off looking for a deal similar to the Martin Jones and Bruins one earlier last off season that saw a 1st round pick come back to Boston and a B level prospect. Jones is a much younger goaltender on the rise of his career. I would think that type of situation is much better spent using valuable assets versus a move involving MAF. Just my opinion though.
Dallas is one of the states without an income tax and could he helpful point in Goligoski resigning or not for a slight discount. Fleury does make sense. The Pens would free up some serious salary in the process
Words to be eaten about maf value… Not honka. I think I agree with chad and striker about maf value essentially… Just disagree about honkas. Personally I’d look to cal and there decent forward prospect depth. And to ck… Trade for bishop cost about the same but UFA after one year… He will cost more than maf at that point and no garuntee he signs in Dallas. Term and reasonable salary are part of mafs appeal. That and he is getting better with age.
Chrisms.
Not of the quality of Dman Dallas needs. They have Klingberg & Oduya currently & a bunch of kids.
If Dallas can’t find a #2 & 3 Dman they are in serious trouble. Just look at how succesful NHL teams are that can’t ice a solid top 4. Their not.
Chad… MAF has had two of the best seasons of career the past two years. Goalie is the only position in the NHL where it can be said some players dont hit their “prime” until their early thirties. Even this past year he was essentially the only thing keeping the pens in the playoff hunt during the johnston period. He was dominate most nights.
striker… I agree they will have to sign at least one top 3 d-man. they can afford to do that. But once you start getting the 10 million+ players (benn…also when is seguin due?) you have to rely on some ELC in the mix.. so breaking in one or two of the youngsters should be in the mix as well.
If that’s Nill’s plan. To ice Klingberg, Oduya a new #3 & a bunch of kids at D Dallas may go from 1st in the west last season to barely hanging onto a playoff spot.
No position is harder to play in the NHL & takes longer to learn to play well than D.
They are certainly going to score enough to make the playoffs but as they showed in the playoffs when you need to start playing the other really strong teams you can’t do it on offense alone.
maybe… pens are playing for cup with a number 1, two number 3’s, a young guy who played his way into the top 4 and several bottom pairing guys. Dallas resigns gologoski, a decent vet guy mid range salary and tries some of their kids they should be competitive… then there is the deadline if it doesnt work out.
Dallas has to re sign Gologoski. His minutes will be hard to replace. Buying out Lehtonen is part of the solution. Go after Johnson or Hutton.
As people are pointing out, expansion draft isn’t going to help Bishops or MAF’s value , it’s going to hurt it.
Who in their right mind is going to give up assets to grab either, while doing either team a favor in the process? The pressure will be on Pittsburgh and Tampa to protect Murray and Vasilevsky. I think if either team is expecting a nice return will be seriously disappointed and or stuck
Teams would give up assets for MAF and Bishop as there really arnt any solid solid fa goalies… reimer is s risk as he has had only one really solid year.. johnson did well but its another gamble he can be “the”guy. Enroth has never taken a starters role and ran with it. It ill definately not be what a legitimate top 10 goalie is worth normally due to expansion and the teams looking to unload… but it will cost a decent asset. Some of it comes down to if the teams shopping have “a” guy. if so… then the bid against each other. if not, then they have even more leverage. Then again.. not team has to trade a goalie. they could hold on to them and see what happens… vegas wont take a goalie from every team.
yankee please explain why dallas who has goalie trouble would want another unproven backup goalie in either hutton or Johnson really doesn’t make any sense??
You’re wrong about partial NMC’s not having to be protected in an expansion draft. I know there was a sportsnet report that claimed otherwise, but the reporter misinterpreted what he was told and now half the media has just kept repeating the same mistake.
The expansion draft is a waiver process whereby teams agree to put all their players, (with certain exceptions agreed too a priori), on waivers and all but the expansion teams are allowed to make the waiver claims. The teams all agree to this set of rules and the draft takes place. The teams with the fewest points (obviously the expansion clubs) get to pick first. Any one claimed has no grievance because the waivers rules set out in the collective agreement have all been followed. Anyone not claimed, their teams immediately reinstate them, and so they have no grievance because nothing happened to them.
Players with NMC’s that prevent them from being put on waivers obviously cannot be exposed to this process. No-trade clauses have NOTHING to do with the expansion draft. If they did anyone with a NTC could use it to prevent being exposed and either a whole new collective agreement would have to be negotiated or the expansion draft wouldn’t have any quality players on it, which would defeat the purpose. There is no other legal (or logical) alternative for the expansion draft under the current CBA.
In the Penguins’ case, the only way they can protect Murray is if they trade Fleury. And since Fleury doesn’t want to lose control of where he will go, he’s going to list the 12 teams that have solid goal-tending as the only teams he’ll be traded to. If Fleury wants to stay a Penguin he will and the Penguin’s management will have to trade Murray or lose him for nothing in the draft.
You still can’t site any sources for this despite being repeatedly asked to do so. Yet several people have sited sources to the contrary. If it was a waiver process any team could pick up the other players if Vegas didn’t take them. When did a team put a player on waivers to only one team?
Lastly… If by some ruling you are correct then I suspect pens would buy out maf after the next season to protect Murray. That won’t have to happen but regardless Murray isn’t going to your home team any time soon
The expansion draft isn’t waivers. It’s an expansion draft & the only teams participating are the expansion teams.
This discussion is moot regardless as no team is going to put themselves in a position to lose this quality of asset come expansion regardless. Fleury will be traded between the end of the Stanley Cup playoffs & next seasons trade deadline.
All of these grey areas will be cleaned up soon enough. In less than 2 weeks. Prior to the draft the majority of these outstanding issues will be addressed by the NHL in the media.
If the NHLPA wants more jobs (whatever the max total is for the NHL club and minors) then they should not and likely will not quibble over NMC.
mst-please stop posting this BS
Lots of speculations on expansions draft, yet we don’t know if there will be one. I listen to Friedman and Cox discussing to Carolina owner want a out/transfer before any expansion team is given (first and only time I heard of it.) Last week on a sports radio show, I listen to an NHL guy discussing the league might have cooled their heels in Las Vegas in light of one of the NFL owner trying to get a team into Vegas. Maybe at the end of the day we don’t have an expansion draft, but a relocation. I have nothing more, other then them two tidbits and don’t know if there is any validity to either.
Expansion is coming & it’s coming with play commencing in 2016-17. I have been beating 5he expansion drum for close to 2 years much to Lyle’s chagrin.
Bettman only requires the approval of 12 teams to do as he chooses. There are more than 12 teams in the NHL that want the revenue & need the revenue that expansion will provide. Factor in it helps solve cap issues for a ton of the teams with cap problems & I would be shocked if 2 teams aren’t added.
Carolina will be relocated to Srattle when they are ready for a team which will tie in perfectly with when Carolina’s lease is up.
I like expansion too… plenty of talent out there playing in ahl and chl and ncaa. As the concept of goons and low talent “intangible” guys gets bred out of the league the talented players will get more of a shot. Expansion should come with a reevaluation of the atrocious chl agreement though. That is where lots of the talent is buried… particularly midway into the season.
Striker, I’ll thank you to stop lying about how I feel about your “beating the expansion drum”. Rest assured, I don’t feel anything about it. You can pat yourself on the back all you want, but leave me out of it.
I Know Striker, you’ve been the only one talking about expansion. I never heard anyone else, ever talk about expansion; especially since the imbalance of the conferences. Nope, no one else seeing it coming.
striker even if expansion does come who cares hockey will still be played and teams will deal with it if it comes! its like when you talk about teams in cap hell you always resort to examples well what team has ever really been affected by it? you can say the blackhawks but 3 cups in 6 years isn’t that bad?? so many ways to get around the cap
Copy that Lyle. You asked me to stop talking about it repeatedly. Still haven’t stopped but I’ll keep you out of it.
I did read a post by Frank Saravalli today that stated for the purposes of expansion a 2/3rd’s majority is required. I haven’t gone back to read the CBA to see if there is a specific clause about teams required to support expansion but in the 2005 CBA the support Bettman required to control the league was significantly altered from this format to 12 teams but maybe not as it relates to expansion.
Striker, you were warned about it because you were highjacking a couple of threads about a year ago talking about it before there was any news that expansion was being considered by the league. What raised my “chagrin” was your presumption you could instruct me on how I conduct my business by insisting I “get ahead of the curve” by speculating about it. That’s the end of this discussion. Again, you wish to pat yourself on the back predicting there could be expansion, fine, but don’t try to insinuate that you won some nonexistent debate with me over the subject.
I agree Bigbear, you make the hard choices & do what has to be done. For most teams it doesn’t play out as favorably as it has for Chicago but having locked up Hossa & Keith to those contracts before the NHL closed that loop hole has helped. The core has never really changed just the support group. Chicago is a well run machine but they are again in cap trouble. I have no doubt Bowman will make the hard choices & with that foundation Chicago will still be a serious cup contender. Had they brought in Hamhuis instead of Ladd I think they would have been far better served.
Not all teams have been as well served as Chicago with cap issues but few have that foundation. Toews, Kane, Hossa, Shaw, Keith, Seabrooke, Hjalmarsson & Crawford.
This doesn’t change the fact that numerous teams willing put themselves in cap trouble. Not all but a bunch do & not all have any real success depending upon what you deem to be success. If you don’t like the term hell pick another acronym.
I love watching teams try to correct their mistakes.
Why would Calgary at all be interested in moving Dougie Hamilton after they just acquired him last off season for a 1st round and two 2nd round picks? I was surprised to see his name mentioned in the article about the Detroit Red Wings and potential defenseman to target. I would assume his name isn’t even on the table unless it’s some Godfather offer, which I doubt the Red Wings would be inclined to do.
The Red Wings do have some attractive assets… although I’m not sure Tatar or Nyquist top their list when it comes to trying to trade for an established big name defenseman. Tatar and Nyquist both had down years, not entirely sure why because I don’t follow the team too closely. Nyquist has also steadily had a decline in goal production almost every season since scoring his career high (goals). I would think if a big name defenseman, RFA, or under contract were to get moved to Detroit the asking price would be Larkin. Maybe the Red Wings find another way packaging Nyquist or Tatar with other assets to get the job down but then again I think it’s going to take some valuable asset(s) to move the Datsyuk contract. A lot of the teams below the cap floor have key players to resign, RFA, UFA, and most will be looking to make significant upgrades and will have the cap space to sign a big name free agent… I don’t see many teams after the end of free agency and their offseason plans… needing to go out and trade for the Datsyuk contract in order to be cap compliant.
Ya, that was a strange one about Hamilton Chad.
Bottom line is they wouldn’t?
Even if the personalty problem rumors are true (we will never know), I think you try to work through that with the kid before cutting bait. Too much talent there not to.
Or perhaps just a slow time for the media for the NHL in some cities.
Ray Bark,
This time of year typically leans towards that “Or perhaps just a slow time for the media for the NHL in some cities”… while we’re at it we can speculate that Patrice Bergeron is on the trade block as well.
Calgary just traded for the defenseman last offseason, albeit he didn’t have the breakout year that A LOT of people including hockey writers and analysts were speculating the player would… still think it’s foolish to even consider him in trade talks. I’d put Monahan and Gaudreau ahead of Hamilton in the trade market… Calgary just traded for Hamilton, gave up assets, and then signed him long term… Monahan, and Gaudreau were drafted players, came up in the ranks and are now in need of HUGE contracts. Yet, we don’t hear about those players being in the trade speculation… likely just some writers throwing darts against the wall in order to drum up trade chatter in social media
Fleury would look good in Calgary…
They have a decent stock of forward prospects. Would be a good match for both. Cal with MAF last year is fighting for or in a playoff spot. Just listened to a Pburgh radio host talk about teams that might want a goalie and talked about getting Cal 6th overall… Rutherford is good… but not that good. maybe Porier and a not first round pick? even that would be considered a win for the pens.
Lots of goalies seem to be available.I would think that drives the price down.Depends on if Cal is on or off MAFs list.
Fleury would look good in Toronto.
Not sure he waives for a non playoff contender… No offense. Would work well. Decent forward prospect and a pick.
Chrisms,
Unless I’m mistaken and I just researched a couple of websites regarding this… Marc-Andre Fleury holds a MODIFIED no trade clause in which he’s required to have listed “18” teams that he’d ACCEPT a move to per capfriendly.com
Although I’d say he has some choice in where he goes… 18 out of 30 teams is still 60% of the league that he can move to. He may have choice, but it’s very limited.
If I were CGY I would offer up a Weidman to DAL for Niemi. It costs no prospects and only a 1 yr in additional salary. Then use some picks to draft goalies.
IF OTT does not qualify Chaisson I would take him as a 4th line winger for NYR. Resign Stalberg to complement the other wing and then figure out of Lindberg or Hayes will be the center with Moore probably not being offered a new contract.
if im wings im after yandle for nothing but cap space , good skating offensive dman perfect wing fit @ 4 X 6$ . ALSO NEED A CENTER BIG TIME AS THE 25 YEAR STREAK IS IN HUGE JEAPORADY WITH DATSYUK LEAVIN AND ZETTERBERG OVER THE HILL . caps by accident there . not a fan of giving 1 dimensional stamkos 9 per but what other choice do wings have = none . gotta move datsyuk – howard – ericsson contracts if possible . nyquist trade bait for a rugged good sized net front forward / a second pairing dman , maybe ericsson goes other way to replace trade partners d depth . other assets can be added to nyquist depending on return .
if you offered Nyquist and Datsyuk to Arizona for say one of their bad contracts like Vermette or Michalek they might just do it….
I think people are dreaming if they expect a big return for Fleury. I love the guy, and think he’s a solid goalie, but the Pens won’t exactly be dealing from a position of strength due to the expansion draft. I think if they get offered a mid round 1st for him they should take it and run.
I good pick and a roster player just isn’t going to happen, IMO.
If I’m Benning in Vancouver, I’m saying “make me an offer for Miller. I’ll take anything”, just to clear that cap hit.
Benning’s an idiot. He could have moved Miller last summer as he stated but he still thinks Vancouver is a playoff team. Worst asset management of any GM I have seen in my life time following the NHL.
6 years left on Zetterbergs contract. He’s 35. The Wings need to either ask to renegotiate, buy him out or try to trade him to a young team that needs to hit the cap ceiling. Wings have so much cap baggage that’s completely self-inflicted. While 1 of Khans possibilities has some merit (Brouwer), we have several guys in GR that merit a good look. Keep Helm, bring up Mantha full time (assuming AA is a keeper) little Bert can fill the Drew Miller hole, either trade Nyquist or Tatar while they have value (Tats is a bit of a head case who’s lost his way) or try one more season with those 2 on the same line (ill advised) with a better set up guy/grinder center who can be a net front presence (unlikely). Wings need to take a really hard look at front office and head coach. Major impediments to success in the D. Z coukd fit in with a Buffalo or Edmonton if we can pull that off while eating some salary, buy out Kronwall, bring up Oulette and dare I say, see what Quin ey’s asking price is. The team is a mess.
Zetterberg has 5 years left on his contract not 6 and most likely Zetterberg will play 2 more years then retire 2018/19 Zetterberg will only be making $3.5 million in real money and 2019/20 $1 million 2020/21 $1 million and he’s not going to play for that little bit of money. So most likely Detroit’s going to be hit with the recapture penalty for 3 years and that will suck. Detroit could be really screwed by some bad contracts here shortly already have Franzen on LTIR for another 4 years and still have both Kronwall and Ericsson who aren’t to healthy as well. Could see quite a few on LTIR Zetterberg, Kronwall possibly Ericsson this team is regressing pretty bad.