Updates on Taylor Hall, PK Subban, Jacob Trouba, Tyson Barrie & many more in your NHL Rumor Mill.
This NHL offseason could be a busy one.
Is Avalanche center Matt Duchene in play this summer?
TSN 1040 (via TODAY’S SLAPSHOT): Bob McKenzie believes if there’s an expansion draft next June that a lot of NHL teams interested in making “seismic shifts” this summer. Noting the Anaheim Ducks must decide between goaltenders Frederik Andersen and John Gibson plus defensemen Sami Vatanen and Hampus Lindholm are RFAs, he expects they’ll move a goalie and a blueliner.
He claims the Boston Bruins seek a defenseman and the Colorado Avalanche need depth at forward. He believes the Colorado Avalanche desperately need blueline help, wondering if Winnipeg Jets rearguard Jacob Trouba might be in play and if Avs blueliner Tyson Barrie or center Matt Duchene are available.
The Detroit Red Wings will try to move Pavel Datsyuk’s contract but it could also cost them either Tomas Jurco or Teemu Pulkkinen. If they can free up cap space they could get into the bidding for Steven Stamkos via free agency.
The Edmonton Oilers are anxious to address their blueline. They could move a high-profile forward such as Ryan Nugent-Hopkins or Jordan Eberle. The Florida Panthers cleared some cap space to re-sign Vincent Trocheck but could also look at other moves.
McKenzie wonders if the LA Kings will part ways left wing Milan Lucic and if the Montreal Canadiens will make any significant moves. He also believes the Arizona Coyotes, holding the 7th and 20th picks in the upcoming draft, could try to do something. He speculates they could make a pitch to Toronto for the first-overall pick but doubts the Maple Leafs will part with it.
Steven Stamkos’ status remains uncertain, the Leafs have the young assets to make some moves, as could the Vancouver Canucks. The Washington Capitals will want to do something to get them over the playoff hump while Jets defenseman Trouba could be in play.
SPECTOR’S NOTE: Nice summation of some of the teams that could be busy this summer and the players that could be moved. Interesting to see Duchene’s name surfacing again in the rumor mill. It’ll be interesting to see if his name appears in heavy rumor rotation next week as the draft weekend approaches. As for Trouba…
Jets GM not shopping Trouba.
WINNIPEG SUN: Paul Friesen reports Jets GM Kevin Cheveldayoff said he’s not actively shopping defenseman Jacob Trouba. “I’m not trying to trade anybody. In this game there’s the distinct possibility that anybody can get traded, said Cheveldayofff. Friesen also reports the Jets GM is working on re-signing Trouba and fellow RFA Mark Scheifele.“So trying to trade him? No.”
WINNIPEG FREE PRESS: Tim Campbell reports the Jets have plenty of salary-cap space (over $18 million) to re-sign RFAs Mark Scheifele and Trouba, but there’s uncertainty over what the numbers will be. With an increasing number of young Jets pushing for roster spots, GM Kevin Cheveldayoff might not be very active in the free-agent market.
SPECTOR’S NOTE: Trouba is also reportedly keen to re-sign with the Jets. I don’t doubt Cheveldayoff is getting calls from some clubs inquiring into Trouba’s trade status, but it doesn’t sound as though he’s in play.
Updates on Hall and Subban.
TSN 1260 (VIA TODAY’S SLAPSHOT): Darren Dreger discussed possible moves by the Edmonton Oilers. He claims left wing Taylor Hall become more a topic of interest during the Cup Final than Ryan Nugent-Hopkins and Jordan Eberle “for obvious reasons.”
SPECTOR’S NOTE: It could take Hall to land a true top-two defenseman via the trade market. Doing so, however, leaves a significant gap at left wing. So I’m not putting much stock into the Hall trade speculation.
TSN 690 (VIA TODAY’S SLAPSHOT): Dreger claims he spoke with two Western Conference GMs who reached out to Montreal Canadiens GM Marc Bergevin regarding the availability of defenseman P.K. Subban. Both were told Subban wasn’t going to be moved. While Dreger acknowledges anything can happen between now and when Subban’s no-trade clause kicks in on July 1, he still considers it very unlikely the Canadiens will trade their top defenseman.
SPECTOR’S NOTE: This concludes the latest on Subban’s trade status. Tune in next week for more of the same.
Latest on the Red Wings and Senators.
MLIVE.COM: Ansar Khan, responding to questions from his readers, believes Winnipeg’s Jacob Trouba or St. Louis’ Kevin Shattenkirk would be better defense targets than Colorado’s Tyson Barrie, but also acknowledged both would be more expensive to land than Barrie. Regarding Wings defenseman Jonathan Ericsson, who has four years left on his contract with a partial no-trade clause, Khan doubts he’ll be moved.
SPECTOR’S NOTE: Landing Trouba (who reportedly isn’t being shopped), Shattenkirk or Barrie could cost more than the Wings wish to pay. If they free up sufficient cap space, perhaps they’ll look at the free-agent market to bolster their blueline. If they do go the trade route, Gustav Nyquist or Tomas Tatar could be shopped.
OTTAWA SUN: Bruce Garrioch reports the Ottawa Senators are expected to let RFA defenseman Patrick Wiercioch depart via unrestricted free agency this summer. There’s also a belief they could shop RFA winger Alex Chiasson. There’s nothing new regarding contract talks with RFA winger Mike Hoffman, while the Sens are believed to have made short- and long-term contract offers to RFA defenseman Cody Ceci. It’s thought new GM Pierre Dorion is comfortable with his current crop of forwards and his hopeful winger Clarke MacArthur (concussion) is healthy for next season. The Senators would like someone to play regularly with blueliner Mark Borowiecki.
Did someone get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning Lyle? February 16??
I hope I’m wrong, but I get this feeling that Hoffman and his agent, knowing he will be a full-blown UFA this time next year, are in a him-and-haw mode and will ultimately agree to only another 1-year deal. And if that’s the case he should be dealt now for the best return possible. And that won’t be easy since any receiving team will likely find themselves in the same situation.
The problem i have with paying up for Hoffman is he has a great first half to the season, then falls off in the 2nd half. He’s done that for two seasons
To be fair, I have to wonder how much that has to do with Cameron curtailing his ice-time because of his perception that he’s a defensive liability and when the season approached the last third and they’re in a dogfight for a playoff spot he tended to play only those who he thought were playing an accepted “two-way game.” Maybe that’s part of the reason he was sacked.
The rumour of the Leafs and Coyotes swapping picks doesn’t seem to want to go away. You guys think there’s any validity to those rumours. Would the Leafs risk a backlash if they were to pull the trigger?
Not going to happen, but if the Leafs were able to land a good young player like Strome Domi along with possibly the 7 pick I doubt there would be much backlash…tho it is Toronto there is going to be a little backlash no matter what they do.
Shticky, there would be intensive and unrelenting backlash that would last for 15 years if the Leafs moved Matthews for Domi or Strome and ‘possibly’ the 7th. Are you kidding me?!
The risk/reward is heavily stacked toward this management group selecting Matthews. If they move him, it will be for a crazy/can’t refuse return and that means considerably more than what you list.
According to disreputable rumours, that Lyle apparently didn’t see fit to post for discussion, ARZ started its bidding with:
7th + 20th + Domi or Dvorak.
I think there needs to be another plus in between the last two pieces and possibly another and, of course, it’s very unlikely ARZ would want to overpay to this extent.
Dan I hate to disagree but I think that (not that its going to hapen) the thought of another Domi in a Leaf jersey especially a skilled one would quiet alot of any of theregular malcontents.
any trade between leafs and Arizona for number 1 pick would have to start with Strome, picks 7 and 20 plus 1 of Domi or Dvorak
I don’t think Toronto trades the #1 overall. If they do I mentioned a few days ago any deal must involve Strome. Toronto needs that top centre. Of course I was quickly shot down by our resident troll but to me the package has to include Strome.
The Leafs aren’t worried about any backlash. The media is not going to have any influence on their decisions. And they are going to take the best available player in the draft, Matthews.
I agree with Yankee fan. The Leafs seemed to have been really hot on Strome last year, and I honestly see Strome and Mathews having pretty equal potential at this point. If they trade the first overall pick it’ll have to be for another big elite building block centre. Domi is a winger and Dvorak doesn’t have the same ceiling to warrant such a big trade. Strome plus or bust imo
Greg, Yankee – excellent point. I agree with the sentiment that any Leafs deal starts with Strome. They were hot on him – this isn’t speculation, this was revealed in the CBJ post-draft video.
The Leafs would have taken Strome at #4 if he was on the board, and when he was taken at #3, they tried to move the #4 pick to no avail – probably to try and get Provorov. Strome has done nothing to diminish his stature since.
However, do you people really see him as an elite number 1C? I see him as a RNH-potential type of C, like very good 2C. I think Matthews has that 1C potential and so it’s a bit different. He’s just got so much more power and finish than Strome, better skating, less vision.
Arnie – I hope you’re right and management sticks to its guns. These guys know what they’re doing and the media in Toronto is lost. I don’t need to tell you what Exhibit A is.
How did Strome do in his draft +1 year in jrs? We know the Leafs pick at 4 was the leagues MVP and won every trophie possible…so why would the Leafs trade a sure fire #1 center for Strome + whatever….makes no sense. The idea is to move up in skill not back or sideways. Strome, domi, etc, are all going to be productive players but I have my doubts they will ever match what value Matthews currently brings. The step from #1 pick to the #2 has historically been huge and get exponentially larger down the list.
@Ron Moore,
What does Matthews “currently” bring?
Leafs might make the trade for Strome + and then flip the plus for young defenceman. They need young goalie in early 20’s and another early 20’s d-man.
I don’t know how Strome stacks up against Matthews. I do know he is a big centre with a huge upside. I also know that the pundits had Matthews ahead of Strome,in the top 3 if he was eligible for last years draft.
Any package would have to include Strome,the pick and plus. It has to be an offer you can’t refuse. AZ isn’t going to mortgage what the Leafs want. They will draft Matthews.
Maybe for ekman-Larson, domi 7th,20th I wouldnt do it for nothing less if I was the leafs
don’t think Ekman-Larsson will be traded, deal probably won’t happen but Arizona is the one team that has the young talent to do it.
That won’t happen for the simple reason that, for the past several years. no GM has dared trade away the # 1 pick for fear that player turns out to be a major star thereby making him look bad – although in the case of Lou Lamoriello I doubt he ever worried about that at any time in his career. Don’t expect to see Chiarelli trade away the # 4 either, even though he SHOULD be exploring the possible returns from teams in the 7 to 12 range looking to move up and willing to part with a quality D. He could then use that traded pick to choose the best D available in the draft, and instantly improve the team’s back-end. But he won’t.
Justchris, of course there will be discussions. We won’t learn about these unless the leaks come from the ARZ side and I don’t know how leaky that organization is because they so seldom make the news.
My sense, though, is that nothing is going to come from this because the Leafs management need a nonsensical return to justify giving up Matthews and that just isn’t going to be offered.
A lot of excellent comments. I do agree though that the return needs to be huge and Strome needs to be in the equation. I agree with you Dan.
The other side of this to consider Justchris is from the ARZ fanbase. If ARZ management pays a king’s ransom for Matthews, let’s say
7th + 20th + Strome + Domi
Is the fanbase happy to have their hometown boy and a franchise C? Do they even know what they’ve given up to get him?
I guarantee there are a lot more Strome fans in London ON than Arizona, let alone TO,.
There is smoke on a Montreal trade down to four or five…
I keep hearing the Habs are hot for Dubois. If he is available at # 5 the Habs have got to go for it. The problem is who are the Habs moving to get the deal done ? It will take the 9th and a good prospect. . Would the Habs part with McCarron, Danault, or Scherbek ? I dont know, but I agree MTL is going to make a move.
I think a potential trade with Arizona hinges a lot on whether the Leafs think they have a good chance at landing Stamkos. If they think Stamkos is coming why not pull the trigger on acquiring wingers and/or defense and draft picks? Just saying.7th – 20th, Domi & OEL.
You aren’t getting OEL from Arizona. They currently only have 2 signed defensemen on their roster with OEL being the building block. You were on the right track with landing Stamkos however. It would make the trade easier to swallow passing on potential 1C Matthews for known 1C Stamkos while stockpiling assets (7th and 20th), winger Domi & a lesser 2C Dvorak (who has a decently high ceiling himself). Still do not believe this trade will get done without Strome being a part of it
2 firsts, one established very good player and one on the rise. If they do that then Phoenix deserves to lose. You always trade for established players for prospects. I know people in Toronto hammers Burke for the Kessel trade but who has been a better player over the years, Kessel or Sequin?
They have as much validity as Laine over Matthews, or Eichel over Mcdavid.
Toronto is not giving up their #1 pick for anything not involving OEL, Ari 1, and Strome. That would be a huge overpayment.
For the love of god, give it up already Leaf fans. Chayka is NOT, I REPEAT NOT going to grossly overpay for Mathews. They are at the beginning of a rebuild of their own, and trading multiple assets for one prospect is moronic.
I highly recommend ALL Leaf fans should read this article:
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/auston-matthews-arizona-coyotes-nhl-draft-trade-rumour-toronto-maple-leafs-john-chayka-max-domi-christian-dvorak-hanzal/
I’m with you Canadian King.
Given a choice of OEL or Matthews I pick OEL.
leaf fans in dreamy dream land again!! lol
Settle down, I stated that’s what it would take. You guys are freaking out like I said that’s what Arizona will do. The Leafs aren’t trading the 1st overall. Because Arizona isn’t going to overpay. The edginess is beyond ridiculous.
If Matthews is moving then OEL has to be a piece coming back or conversation ends abruptly.
Then it ends abruptly. Arizona isn’t move OEL to get Matthews never mind adding any other asset. OEL is 1 of the best Dman in the NHL now & he turns 25 in July. Just scratching the surface of his potential.
“The Washington Capitals will want to do something to get them over the playoff hump while Jets defenseman Trouba could be in play.”
Seems like a lot of back and forth on Trouba being available or not. First time I’m hearing or seeing a link between Trouba and the Caps. If they made that happen without giving up any of their core, that could make them extremely scary next year
Joahnnsen for Trouba?
He is a RFA with arbitration rights this offseason and with Winnipeg drafting Patrik Laine I don’t see it
It would cost Washington way more than that to get Trouba. Where in Washington’s D does Trouba fit? Carlsson, Niskanen, Orpik, Alzner & Orlov form 1 of the best D’s in the NHL now.
Avs are desperate for D but yet giving up Barrie ? Does not make a lot of sense to me. Let’s not talk about Subban trade any more (unless it is Malcom :))
Calgary may be in luck with available #1 #1A goalie market this summer
I really can’t guess what Calgary will end up doing for a goalie. I don’t think they even know. The Detroit/Howard/Wideman thing may happen but that’s more up to the players than the GM’s (and I don’t like Howard). Personally I like Chad Johnson. But Burke (the GM pilot who’s well spoken and knows just enough about hockey to be dangerous) has said they will try to trade their 2nd round picks to get a goalie. But I don’t really see that much for desirable trade options. Any ideas that don’t include Pavalec, Howard, Bernier or me throwing up?
Arnie, thankfully we’ll know soon enough what Calgary’s plans are. Trade season kicked off today & we are in for what should be the busiest player movement ever seen in 1 summer.
I think there is a lot of worry over the expansion draft that is not justified. If I am understanding correctly, the new team will have a large choice of players but they will still probably only pick 25 players which averages out to less than one player from each team. So out of the 30 G’s that will be available as teams can only protect 1 the expansion team will pick 3. So even if a team leaves a decent G unprotected, the odds of him getting picked are still only 10%.
My guess is that teams will try to leave available the aging high priced players with bad contracts. They wil protect the good young ones, if they can.
Not really the case tho, if other teams are not protecting mmediocre or goalies that could never be considered starters there is much greater than 10% chance of losing a goalie.
The worry is for teams that have two goalies that could be more like 1A/1B guys where they can only protect one. For example, TBL with Bishop and Vasilevskiy… whoever isn’t protected will be drafted by an expansion team and the percentage of that happening is closer to 100% than 10%
Since Bishop is a UFA in 2017 when the expansion takes place, According to Bill Daly Bishop wont need to be protected because he’s a UFA. so Tampa protects Vasilevskiy and that’s it not need to worry about Bishop. Though i still wouldn’t be surprised if Yzerman doesn’t try and move him if he will waive his NMC. For a contending team that might be able to swap maybe like Dallas with Lehtonen perhaps. Any ways i could see Yzerman possibly trying to shop Bishop so he can resign Stamkos maybe along with Filppula as well. And then buy out Carle maybe other pieces could be moved as well. Like either Palat of Killorn or possibly try and move a D man though i don’t see that happening. Any ways Tampa is fine as Bishop who is a UFA next summer doesn’t have to be protected according to Daly.
If that is the case Gary Tampa loses Bishop to Free Agency. So if they are simply planning to let him go for nothing than of coarse no worries. Do you think Tampa wants to let either guy go? Do you think they would let them go for nothing? Perhaps come time for the expansion draft they sign Bishop to an extension.
My comment was under the assumption that TBL extends Bishop this summer, although that isn’t exactly a safe assumption now given how Vasilevskiy has filled in for Bishop two years in a row now. Any trade for Bishop is going to need confidence from the other team that he will sign a long term extension there otherwise the return for Yzerman will be limited. Remember also that Vasilevskiy will be a RFA after this season as well
Jeff as far as Bishop goes, I guess a lot of it depends on how Yzerman feels about Vasilevskiy and his progress. Would Yzerman try and move Bishop now say at the draft to a team of his choice seeing that he has that NMC. I guess it’s quite possible that way at least Yzerman can get something for him in return rather it be a 2nd round pick or a high 1st round pick. I guess if Yzerman feels that Vasilevskiy has evolved enough and feels safe with him then yes i could see Bishop being on the move this summer or maybe at the trade deadline. Either ways this draft should be exciting. And if Yzerman does want to lockup Stamkos long term Bishop will have to be one of the ones going the other way just no way around it.
Shawn I just don’t see any scenario where Yzerman resigns Bishop long term, Bishop is already making close to $6 million now and could easily next summer on the open market get around 47.5 million to $8 million per long term. And if Yzerman were to resign Stamkos long term then Bishop is out. Kucherov will make around $7 million per long term next season and Yzerman will try and lock up Hedman as well and he could command around $9 million per long term and even if Stamkos took $9 million per long term. You still have to worry about Palat, Killorn, Johnson and Drouin as well coming up here in a year or two so something will have to give. Pretty sure that Yzerman would love to keep Bishop but for what he will command on the open market i just don’t see it happening.
Meant to say to lock up Bishop long term around $7.5 million to $8 million per.
I agree Gary. Bishop is in a good spot given the NMC that allows him to ultimately choose his destination if Yzerman comes to him with a trade this year. Also, if retained throughout the year, he gets to choose his landing spot in free agency although with the expansion draft I’d assume his options would be far more limited to teams that don’t already have a tender that they want to protect. I wonder if he likes where he is in Tampa and given the chance if he would sign long term at the same cap hit as he’s making now to stay although even still it would mean other players would have to ship out. I’ve been in the camp that says if Stamkos is looking for $10M/yr to let someone else pay that but we’ll see
If Yzerman were to want to keep both, he could also cut a deal with LV that they wouldn’t select the one not protected in exchange for future draft picks I’d assume as well
They select 30 players. 1 from each team.
Trade*** Bryan Bickell and Teuvo Teravainen to the Carolina Hurricanesfor a second-round pick (50th overall acquired from the New York Rangers) in the 2016 NHL Draft and a third-round pick in 2017
http://www.tsn.ca/hawks-trade-bickell-teravainen-to-canes-1.508157
Looks like they’ll be able to sign Shaw after all.
AKA what Sweeney gave up for Stempniak and Liles
Teravainen is a great player. Good trade by Francis
Great deal for Carolina. They could a top flight young player in Teravainen for having to take Bickells cap hit. Well done by Ronnie.
Yes but his; Shaw’s, cap hit in or around 3.5 will only leave about 8.5 million with a cap of 73 million to add or resign 7 more players. Chicago even after getting Bickell & Tarevainen’s cap hits off the books still has cap issues to resolve especially if the cap falls short of 73 million.
Different market; prices are inflated at the trade deadline, Shawn, but I hear you, nor could Boston afford Bickell’s cap hit. Carolina may well pay Bickell to play. Interested to see if Francis will buy him out or let him play. Bickell is an NHL player & has a role in the NHL just ideally not at 4 million but in or around 1.7 ideally.
I told you guys 2 weeks ago that the Hawks were gonna trade Teuvo Teravainen.
Well done. Cap space is king in this market.
Ronnie basically traded a washed up Eric Staal for a 2017 2nd, 2017 3rd, Aleksi Saarela & Teuvo Teravainen. Power move.
think some other GM’s with cap space can do the same?
Why would Arizona move Strome for Matthews if they are nearly equal in quality? Isn’t the point in acquiring Matthews to have two elite centers.?
Strome isn’t the equal of Matthews. Matthews is more the equal of Eichel, i.e. a potentially true elite centre. Strome is more like a very good quality C, maybe a 1/2C.
Time will tell.
not a chance dan! strome and Matthews equal eichel a step above
Would really like to know if people think kyle okposo would net a top dman from another team. Forgetting his UFA status would you think trading him nets you a seth jones or shattenkirk or barrie or whoever else the oilers are targeting? I bring up Okposo as he has almost the exact same career numbers as Hall and has played less then two seasons more so games played are fairly equal. Im not saying Hall isn’t a great player but would you give up a top two dman for a player who has never even hit 30 goals and has played in the graveyard that is Edmonton for his whole career. I think some fans would be very surprised at the lower end return Hall would garner not sure he nets you a true number one dman.
Trading a pending UFA’s assets will get you a draft pick – no guarantee that he will sign with the new team. Tale a #3 pick and be happy.
Okposo. 529 games, 139 goals, 230 assists for 369 points.
Hall. 381 games, 132 goals, 196 assists, for 328 points.
They don’t look very similar to me. Okposo has played 148 more games, essentially 2 full seasons & has 7 more goals & 41 more points.
Buying out Bickell’s contract would cost the team $1M in cap this coming season and another $1.5 in cap next season. It turns TT into around an $1.9M cap hit this year for a 2nd and 3rd. I would make that trade any day
Wouldn’t Bickell’s 4.5 in salary bought out at 2/3rd’s mean a cap hit of essentially 1.5 per for the next 2 years? Not that it really matters.
Striker, I used Cap Friendly’s buyout tool because I’m not all too familiar with the buyouts myself. While actual cost over the next two seasons show $1.5M the actual cap hit would be $1M in 16/17 and $1.5M in 17/18. I saw you mentioned that Boston couldn’t afford that cap hit. If they turned around and bought out Bickell right away, you have a top 6 winger in TT for roughly $1.9M (TT cap hit plus Bickell buyout) in 16/17. TT could easily take over Loui’s role for less than half the cost
oiler fans over rate all their player incluing hall,
Hall is a top 5 LW but despite him they have not improved. he also has had numerous issues with nightlife and partying to excess and has had to be driven home by the police on several occasions
RNH is a small #2 center who has not improved since his rookie year, who already males $6M per
Eberle is an offense only 6M forward who only produced with McDavid last year he produced at a 16 goal pace anyone else
I dail to see how any of that gets a #1 RH d man or even close
I agree with your other comments – but not Hall. So he’s been out partying a few times – he’s a kid – he’ll mature. Giroux got busted in the Market in downtown Ottawa for D&D, and weren’t some saying that Seguin was a bit of a party animal? Even with that Hall is one of THE top wingers in the game and, if traded, would bring back by far the best returns. Teams in need of scoring would be lining up. But I don’t see the Oilers trading him unless they got an offer they couldn’t refuse. The others you mention – bang on – way overpaid for what they bring to the table.
george O. Hall I still dont see anyone trading a legit first pair defender for him, OEL,Faulk,Josi,Keith,etcetera and they arent on the level of a Doughty or Subban or Ekblad or Karlsson
Maybe Hall + can get a Barrie or a Trouba but they each have their linitations and I honestly dont see them as first pairing since the dont do the heavy lifting in the Defensive Zone
The Oilers could use a true puck Mover Like Barrie,no question, but he replicates many of Klefboms skills, What they really need is A Hjalmarsson or a Hamonic, the type of defender who sets the tone of of the defense, a defender with an edge who sets an example while making opposing forwards pay a price consistently
Hall by himself doesnt touch that type of defender in return
probably not. But he’s certainly worth more than Barrie or Trouba. Which is why I say they’d deal him only if they were overwhelmed with a trade proposal. Put it this way – he’s worth one HELLUVA lot more than Nugent-Hopkins or Eberle.
All fans of their teams over rate their players.
The main reason the Oilers have not improved is because of inept management (been solved) they had in the past, plus goaltending (been solved), an actual second line (been solved), and defence were the issues that kept this team down. If you don’t have a second line then all of the opponent needs to do is focus on shutting down the top line, which what teams were doing agains Hall, RNH, and Eberle. They can’t do it all by themselves.
Also I haven’t read anywhere or heard from any knowledgeable Oiler fan who said that any of Hall, Eberle, or RNH will get them a #1 d-man by themselves. It will take then plus to get what they need, and most likely it will be either Eberle or RNH plus others (Klefbom or the first round pick) to get the Oilers what they need.
Indeed Kev, Hall is truly elite for his position.
Has management really been solved in Oil country? I’d love to know/hear what Oilers fans think of Chiarelli so far
Oiler management cannot change perception – Oils gotta find a way to attract UFA talent and get pending UFAs to want to stay.
I’m with you Shawn. Chiarelli hasn’t shown me anything yet, but I’ll give him more time before I judge him to harshly, 3 to 5 years. Trading the 16th & 33rd picks to get G. Reinhart was a huge mistake even with out expansion looming. I didn’t really like the price paid to acquire Talbot either but it did address an issue as did signing Sekera.
Edmonton is going to get better simply to much talent in place to be bad for ever. I few bodies need to go to alter the player make up & serious help is still need at D but that’s happening. Klefbom & Nurse are part of that long term solution & I assume at least 1 top 4 D if not significantly better D will be added this summer.
The future looks bright for Edmonton.
I still think if the Leafs make a trade at the draft…. it’ll involve Nylander going to CLB for the 3rd. Nylander projects as a 1c and is NHL ready. Columbus doesn’t have a 1c and whomever they draft…if they’re targeting a center… won’t be ready for a year or 2. It’s a smart hockey trade for both teams and Columbus has shown an appetite for these types of deals
Columbus won’t give up their 3rd for Nylander, Nylander wasn’t even drafted in the top 3 when drafted. He hasn’t showed that he is beyond his years to be a steal and is worth a 3rd overall pick. If Toronto was going to try to trade Nylander to Columbus for their 3rd, it’ll have to include more assets. Maybe something like:
To Toronto: 3rd overall pick
To Columbus: Nylander + Gauthier + 2nd
LeafsAdvocate, the Leafs themselves would not give up Nylander for a 3rd overall pick. And Nylander has by any reasonable account outperformed his draft position. Do you follow the AHL?
He may have done well in the A, but at best when he played for the Leafs during the last portion of the year, he was invisible. Even Soshnikov outperformed Nylander, in a lesser role.
Nylander had 13 points in 22 NHL games projects out to be close to a 50 point rookie season yet he was invisible? People like you are the reason Toronto never has nice things.
LeasfAdvocate, Nylander was invisible in the NHL?
He had 6 goals and 7 assists for 13 points in 20 games in an average of 16:20 of ice time… That’s 0.65 ppg or 2.2 pts/60. He’s 19.
Do you know any 18 or 19 year olds who were more productive at generating offense in the NHL last year?
Here’s the list:
McDavid
Draisatl
And he was about even with Eichel who was an October birthday. Nylander is a May birthday.
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The leafs will/should have zero interest in the trade you propose LeafsAdvocate.
While I’m all for moving up in the draft you don’t need to trade the promise that Nylander has already shown and Gauthier hasn’t developed as predicted but I see him being a staple on the 4th line in a couple of years for many years.
I would rather the leafs try to use their 30th to move up to around the 10th or 11th to pick up a defenseman. Then use 2nd and 3rd round picks to invest in potential goalie depth
dan your crazy if you think the leafs wouldn’t trade nylander for the third overall….uneducated really
Jackets will trade down, but not for the scenario noted. I see BUF and Columbus striking a deal. Not that much of a Nylander fan.
I have no doubt that Wennberg will be a #1 C & that he & Dubinsky sharing the role to some extent in the short term until Wennberg further develops works for me. Nor do I share other peoples perception Columbus needs a C. Wennberg, Dubinsky, Karlsson & Campbell are their top 4 now. Jenner & Foligno can & have played a fair # of games for Columbus at C in the last 2 years as injures have required & could so again if needed.
With the #3 pick Columbus could well lean to a player like Dubois possibly trading down to get him & get some other asset. The luster appears to be coming off Puljujarvi some what. Not sure why really but big centers with Dubois skill set don’t grow on trees. 2nd hardest commodity to acquire in the NHL after Stud Dman.
The Leafs won’t trade number one, not least because Arizona cannot give them enough, which would be #7, OEL and Strome, at minimum, and maybe domi also….in the end, Leafs stick with their pick and maybe go after some higher picks than 30th and 31-if this draft only yields them Matthews, that’s ok! They do not need strome given their youth and farm system stock..Marner ready this year, maybe Nylander, Kapanen..Leafs have brighter next three years than almost any team in the league……and what is with Anaheim and Randy??
OEL is not in play at all.
7th + 20th + Strome + Domi (as proposed by Dan39) is probably the closest you can get to a realistic trade where both could may pull the trigger. ARZ must overvalue Matthews for the trade to get done.
7th + 20th + Strome + Domi for Mathews is the dumbest thing I’ve read in a long time.
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/auston-matthews-arizona-coyotes-nhl-draft-trade-rumour-toronto-maple-leafs-john-chayka-max-domi-christian-dvorak-hanzal/
If I was a Yotes fan I’d be worried about the young analytical GM who thinks Hanzal is their most impactful player…just say’n.
I don’t think I even seen Mcdavid / Edmonton rumored to have this kind of ridiculous return prior to last years draft. No way on earth is Mathews getting that return!
just leaf dreamy dream land nyr
I’m still sticking to my guns, that the Leafs will trade for Frederik Andersen.
To Toronto: 30th overall + Kapanen + Washington’s 2nd
To Anaheim: Andersen
This gives Anaheim two 1st rounders, to maybe combine to move up in the draft and a 2nd that replaces the 2nd rounder they traded away. With the amount of depth, and Kapanen, a former 1st rounder (2014) has the talent and skill to fit nicely in Anaheim’s depth chart. Especially too where they’re penny pinching for cap space.
Toronto fills their goaltending woes
It’s hard to gauge Kapanens trade value. He has been struggling. Maybe the total package would get it done. I doubt Kapanen has that much value on his own though.
I used Kapanen, because he was a former 1st rounder, you can’t deny or take that away. Sure he has been struggling, but Anaheim wouldn’t be looking for a big impact prospect, because of their huge depth. And that’s why I added Pitt’s 1st rounder and Washington’s 2nd rounder to build an overall packaged trade.
pretty sure another team will make a better offer that includes more than kapenan that will struggle to be out of the ahl
Sure you can’t deny, or take away where he was drafted, but why does it matter?? I’ve always wondered, what does ‘being a former 1st round pick’ mean to their value?? lol, do you actually think when GM’s talk trades for players, one would have the balls to say ‘oh well he’s a former 1st round pick so that’s like trading a 1st round pick’. They would get laughed out of the room. You’re trading the player who he is today, regardless of draft status. It’s actually ridiculous that people think that a players’ place in the draft plays a role on a trade 2 or 3 years down the road. Don’t give me the ‘time and money invested’ speech. That doesn’t matter because it’s not the other teams’ problem. I feel that Brown is a little higher on the depth chart for the Leafs and if he was traded they would be compensated accordingly, even though he was a 6th rounder lol.
Way to much for Andersen, just draft a couple goalies and sign Reimer to hold down the fort until the kids are ready. If you trade for a goalie Andersen is to old Pickard is more the right age.
Andersen is my favorite option for any team in need of a goalie. Just coming of age by goalie standards; age, games played, etc.
I would think if Toronto was willing to pay that cost Anaheim would accept it. they might change the prospect possibly to another player not Nylander or Marner.
Leafs don’t need a goalie coming of age now they need one in 3 to 5 years
Even rebuilding teams need solid goaltending. I don’t think Toronto is as far away as many think, especially if the delve into the free agent market & sign some significant assets. Andersen could play for 8 to 10 more years potentially.
That said I don’t see Toronto deviating significantly with the pattern they laid in pace last season. Toronto played very well last season & will certainly be better this season. They lacked finish & shut every down with the slightest injury at the earliest possible opportunity.
Bad goaltending is disheartening & doesn’t help the rebuild. Just ask Oilers fans.
I’m not convinced Anaheim will let Andersen go this summer.
That deal might happen… if JFJ was still running the team and he read an article somewhere saying the Leafs must have a goalie immediately and the only GM he could reach on the phone was Bob Murray. Honestly that’s one of the least original proposals I’ve read here in a while. It boils down to ‘Leafs give up 3 good assets, each acquired at considerable cost, for a B+ goalie who doesn’t fit their rebuild.’
All I can say is, it sucks to be a Ranger’s fan this time of year, every year..quite disheartening. ugh.
Why? Lack of press conferences? I mean it’s relatively a dead time at the moment. Minus the Chicago/ Carolina trade. Blame the cap, not the Rangers!
I think he meant lack of draft picks
As a ranger fan, I look at some of their 1st round choices, and hope they trade the next 10 away.
And i don’t believe they will ever be a rebuild team, so it’s hard to get overly excited about 17th overall and up.
I like what the Rangers have done. I see them as a great young hockey team. A bunch of kids cutting their teeth with years of growth & development potential in Hayes, Kredier, Miller, Fast, & Lindberg. Nor is the majority of the core old, Stepan, McDonaugh, Zuccarello & Brassard.
Skjei & McIlrath will be full time NHLer’s next season & the other veterans are all in their late 20’s or early 30’s, even Lundqvist just turned 34 which isn’t really that old for goalies. Luongo just turned 37 & Brodeur played to almost 40 & really well right up until his last 2 seasons.
Nylander is redundant in Toronto now with Matthews coming in. And make no mistake, the Leafs are not trading a projected elite 1c. Nylander to Clb makes the most sense given needs. It won’t surprise me to see Nylander traded. Also maybe Bozak if management feels Gautier(sp??) Is ready for 3rd line c duties.
Nylander may well be dealt at the draft – but he isn’t going to get the 3rd pick overall. He’s done well in the AHL, but was invisible against Hershey when they were eliminated, and didn’t really shine all that much when wit the Leafs. He COULD eventually prove to be a decent # 2 C but his size precludes going head to head with NHL opposition C who dwarf him in size.
Again, to quote Dan39 up top… “He had 6 goals and 7 assists for 13 points in 20 games in an average of 16:20 of ice time… That’s 0.65 ppg or 2.2 pts/60. He’s 19.” Invisible? No.
I said against Hershey where they were eliminated.
nylander is an enigma it will be with him his whole career always wanting more
“and didn’t really shine all that much when wit the Leafs”
I think Gauthier will be a 4th liner at best. His poor skating has made him a probable first round bust.
Nylander can easily be moved to RW if necessary. There is no chance in hell the Leafs are trading him.
if the oilers trade Eberle it leaves more of a gap at right wing then it would at left wing if they were to trade Hall.
Moving Eberle doesn’t make sense for me either but nor does moving Staal.
I move RNH & Yakupov. If the return for Yakupov is to poor then try to create some value for him before having to expose him in the expansion draft.
There are some rumors of Philadelphia & Montreal having interest in Yakupov. The issue is cost & to date Chiarelli is sticking to his guns. If rumors are to be believed & most aren’t, Sanheim’s name is in the mix in a deal involving Yakupov. I can’t see this happening straight up from Philadelphia’s perspective but if the deal were to grow to something along these lines then it’s quite possible.
Streit & Sanheim for Yakupov & another player; Maybe a Ference, Korpikoski, to allow Edmonton to take on Steit’s cap hit & get Philadelphia out of their cap problems it’s possible.
Edmonton could still move RNH to find a better long term solution at D; probably gets you a decent to solid #2 Dman, but Streit for 1 year would help. Then Edmonton’s D really starts to look significantly better.
Pardon me should read hall not Staal.
If I’m Chiarelli I would move Hall and sign Lucic if he is interested in going to Edmonton.
Gets more grit on the team. Cap would be about the same and the return on Hall could be a top defenseman plus.
My final take on todays thoughts.
Leafs are not moving # 1 overall and Arizona is in no way moving OEL. While there are some interesting thoughts ( its nice to dream despite what some say ) but these two moves are a given.
And for the record the Leaf prospects are not as bad as some lead you to think.
Hall wont move, RNH ,Yak probably.
C Bus 3rd overall is in play, as well as the 4th and 5th picks. MTL desperately wants to move up.
Trouba, Barrie and I believe Duschene are in play. ANA will move Andersen for futures.
Despite the threat of expansion as one GM put it you still need to compete next year.
Stamkos is a huge wildcard, he could go anywhere. ( its ok Leaf fans you’re allowed to dream, thats what makes this time of year fun !)
We need a mock draft ( top 10 ) to discuss…..could be fun.