Updates on Steven Stamkos, Taylor Hall, Kevin Shattenkirk and more in your NHL rumor mill.
Lightning could have a cap on how much to spend to re-sign Steven Stamkos.
TSN 1050 (via TODAY’S SLAPSHOT): Darren Dreger reports Tampa Bay Lightning GM Steve Yzerman has said to others he can’t go above $8.5 million per season to re-sign pending unrestricted free agent Steven Stamkos. Dreger wonders if Yzerman will boost the term. If its for the maximum eight years, Stamkos will be walking away from a lot of money to test the free-agent market. If the Detroit Red Wings can shed Pavel Datsyuk’s $7.5 million cap hit for next season, Dreger believes they could offer up $10 million per season for seven years. He also notes there’s talk of interest from the Toronto Maple Leafs. Still, Dreger wonders how many teams are willing to pay Stamkos more than $10 million per season.
SPECTOR’S NOTE: A few months ago, I fully expected Stamkos could get over $10 million per season from the Lightning or another team. The combination of the Lightning playing well without Stamkos during this year’s playoffs combined with a marginal rise in the salary cap for next season leaves me less certain he’ll get that much now. Ultimately, it comes down to whether Stamkos is willing to leave some money on the table to stick with a Stanley Cup contender in Tampa Bay or pursue bigger bucks elsewhere and set back his championship dreams for another few years.
Dreger also comments on the Edmonton Oilers efforts to bolster their blueline and how their first-round pick (fourth overall) is believed to be in play. “Lots of rumblings around the National Hockey League. ‘Maybe this is the time the Oilers change the culture of their club and Hall really is a target that they’d consider moving.’ Still, Dreger said he’d like to hear what the return would have to be for Oilers GM Peter Chiarelli to part with Taylor Hall.
SPECTOR’S NOTE: Unless the Oilers decide that taking Matthew Tkachuk with the fourth overall pick will make a fine immediate replacement for Hall at left wing, I doubt they’ll move him. Hall is what it could take to land a top-two defenseman, but that move blows a gaping hole on left wing that will be tough to fill.
Dreger also took to Twitter to declare the Kevin Shattenkirk trade watch is on. ” Seems unlikely Blues will be able to extend him. Boston among those most interested in trade, but interest is high.”
SPECTOR’S NOTE: Almost seems a question of when, not if, Shattenkirk gets dealt. The Oilers are also reportedly interested in him, but speculation suggests Shattenkirk wants to play for an Eastern Conference club and the Blues will try to accommodate him.
ESPN.COM: Pierre LeBrun reports St. Louis Blues defenseman Kevin Shattenkirk is among several defensemen he suspects the Boston Bruins are interested in.
Teams have already reached out to the PIttsburgh Penguins regarding goaltender Marc-Andre Fleury, including the Calgary Flames.
LeBrun expects Dallas Stars GM Jim Nill to remain patient regarding his goaltending for next season.
Several league sources claim the Carolina Hurricanes are still looking around for a top-six impact forward.
Updates on the Bruins, Wild, Red Wings and Sharks
CSNNE.COM: Joe Haggerty speculates over the possibility of the Boston Bruins attempting to sign Winnipeg Jets defenseman Jacob Trouba to an offer sheet. Other defensemen who could become offer sheet targets include Anaheim’s Hampus Lindholm, Columbus’ Seth Jones and Minnesota’s Matthew Dumba. He claims the Bruins would have trouble out-bidding teams such as Edmonton or Colorado in trade offers for Trouba. Trade options could also include St. Louis’ Kevin Shattenkirk and Florida’s Dmitry Kulikov while free agent possibilities include Keith Yandle or Alex Goligoski.
SPECTOR’S NOTE: The Bruins are believed very keen to land Shattenkirk. Indeed, the Blues could prefer shipping him to an Eastern Conference club rather than a Western rival like Edmonton or Colorado. They have the depth in draft picks and prospects to pitch a worthwhile offer. An offer sheet to Trouba, Lindholm, Jones or Dumba is possible. Such attempts, however, are rare and usually unsuccessful.
STARTRIBUNE.COM: Michael Rand reports Minnesota Wild GM Chuck Fletcher admitted receiving some trade calls on goaltender Darcy Kuemper. While he’s open to dealing Kuemper for the right price, Fletcher said he didn’t want to leave himself short at that position. He also said there’s lots of interest from clubs in acquiring one of the Wild’s young defensemen.
MLIVE.COM: Responding to questions from his readers, Ansar Khan believes Teemu Pulkkinen or Tomas Jurco could be in play if the Detroit Red Wings attempt to dump Pavel Datsyuk’s contract via trade. He also believes it would cost the Wings between $9-$10 million per season on a seven-year deal to possibly land Steven Stamkos if he hits the open market on July 1. Khan doubts the Wings can move goaltender Jimmy Howard, adding they’re not going to absorb part of his $5.3 million cap hit. He doesn’t see any way the Wings can land a prominent free agent this summer without first dealing away Datsyuk’s contract.
THE DETROIT NEWS: Ted Kulfan believes Wings GM Ken Holland will try to move Datsyuk’s contract (one year remaining at $7.5 million salary-cap hit) but it appears he’s unwilling to add a high draft pick or talented young player to the deal. Failing that, perhaps Holland will try shopping Howard, defenseman Brendan Smith or forwards Gustav Nyquist or Tomas Tatar in their quest to add a scoring forward or top-four defenseman.
SPECTOR’S NOTE: Holland might not have much choice but to add a high draft pick or promising player into the mix if he hopes to shed Datsyuk’s cap hit for next season. I don’t see much of a market for Holland and Smith probably doesn’t have a high trade value. Nyquist or Tatar could fetch a return that addresses their blueline requirements but not their scoring forward needs.
CSN BAY AREA/THE GACKLE REPORT: It could be a fairly quiet offseason for the San Jose Sharks. GM Doug Wilson could be in the market for a reliable backup goalie if James Reimer departs via free agency on July 1. Signing Brent Burns, who’s eligible next summer for UFA status, to a contract extension is another item on Wilson’s agenda. When asked about Patrick Marleau’s future with the Sharks, Wilson said the veteran forward is “an important member of our team. He has been for a long, long time. And we feel he has a lot of good hockey left in him.”
SPECTOR’S NOTE: I don’t see much of a trade market for Marleau, who’s 36 with a cap hit of $6.66 million and a full no-movement clause. If Wilson wishes to go the UFA route to replace Reimer, there’s plenty of options (Al Montoya, Jhonas Enroth, Chad Johnston, Carter Hutton) available.
Lyle – question
Preds trade Vesey’s rights to Buffalo.
Does this mean that Buffalo would receive some type of compensation if Vesey signs with another team on August 15?
No.
thanks – so it’s basically just a waste of a 3rd round pick – Vesey already said he’s going to test the market.
I sure hope so.
I sure hope Buffalo has some inside information on Versey, other than the fact that he has played with Eichel and they share the same manager.
I really thought Murray did a great job of stockpiling picks this year to rebuild a weak Rochester organization.
Is it me or does this move further prove how weak our assets are in Rochester?
Bart
Vesey and Eichel are also very good friends. The two have been hanging out all offseason. Vesey has stated Buffalo is on his shortlist.
There’s just enough evidence for Buffalo that there is for Toronto and Boston.
By test the market; you mean to see where he fits best. I hope you’re correct. He’s going to get the max on an elc no matter where he signs. Obviously Buffalo thinks they can convince him to sign there, or they had inside information that they could get a deal done.
As GMTM says why not Buffalo ? Good upcoming team, a slot in the top 6 for Vesey and Jack Eichel.
Vesey better be careful if he makes the wrong decision he will burn out real quick. Just because he was very, very good in college , going up against top NHLers is a whole different ball game.
He had a publicly guaranteed top six slot in Nashville.
True. So if its not about money and not about a top 6 slot, guess its a favorite team, family thing.
Yankee, yeah I don’t know what it is. I hope it’s family – the Leafs drafted his brother and hired his father with a $1 million signing bonus.
Having said that, his father is based in Boston and the family grew up in that area. Obviously, there’s the relationship with the strange-looking Eichel kid in BUF.
Any of those options seem plausible.
Then there’s that new ugly American coming to Toronto hey Dan?
Teams are only compensated if they don’t sign 1st round selections, they receive a compensatory 2nd round pick. Arizona was awarded the 53rd pick in this years draft as compensation for not signing Conner Bleackley a former 1st round pick acquired from Colorado in the Boedker trade.
Pretty sure his dad will talk him into waiting till August and sign with the Leafs.
What about the best friend connection to Boston, Grzelcyk, who he grew up playing with in Boston?
family over friends
EDM- Hall/ 4th pick/ yakupov
MTL- PK / 9th pick
Stamkos really doesn’t leave that much money on the table by taking less from TB – considering the tax advantages to living in Florida vs just about anywhere else.
The tax issue has been misreported over and over. Canadian citizens working in the US pay the Canadian-US tax differential. Meaning that if US taxes are less than the Canadian tax, the Canadian must pay the difference to Revenue Canada.
Therefore unless Stamkos renounces his Canadian citizenship and becomes a US citizen he will effectively pay the Canadian tax rate anywhere he works in North America. It is the same for every Canadian working in the US.
The tax issue has been misreported over and over. Canadian citizens working in the US pay the Canadian-US tax differential. Meaning that if US taxes are less than the Canadian tax, the Canadian must pay the difference to Revenue Canada.
Therefore unless Stamkos renounces his Canadian citizenship and becomes a US citizen he will effectively pay the Canadian tax rate anywhere he works in North America. It is the same for every Canadian working in the US.
No, that’s not true. It is, in fact, the opposite. If you are a US citizen, you are taxed on your global income in the US, with a credit for the tax you pay locally. Canadians generally only pay Canadian tax when they are residents in Canada.
As a Canadian if you spend more than 161 days annually working in another country you not only have to pay the tax in Canada if you wish to retain your status as a Canadian, you have to pay a revenue tax in the country your working in. If you choose not to maintain your Canadian status you pay the tax in the country your working in & give up all benefits in Canada, medicare, CPP, UIC, etc. If you wish to retain medicare, CPP, UIC, etc then there is a significant fee to do so. The fact your making millions & don’t need these benefits necessarily is irrelevant, it’s the law no exceptions for all Canadian citizens. All Canadians pay into these systems over & above your income tax.
Sorry I should add you are correct about the tax balance formula if Canadians wish to maintain their Canadian Citizenship’s. That doesn’t preclude a country charging a revenue tax for earning the money in their country.
Boy hockey is sure evolving when tax laws are entering player signing & trade discussions. Dam lawyers. Ha-ha!
He actually makes more. Making 8.5 in Florida is like making 10+ million in any almost any other US market, 11+ in almost any Canadian market & even more so in Montreal the highest taxed market in the NHL.
that’s what I thought – thanks Striker
U must remain out of country the entire fiscal year to not pay Canadian taxes.
Would a JVR for Edmontons #4 makes any sense? Toronto picks Tkachuk … Edmonton can then trade Taylor Hall for a top 2 defenceman!
you have to be kidding, right? JVR gets you the 4th overall?
If you’re Toronto, you’re not trading JVR for the 4th anyway. You need JVR at LW and you’re not getting a better player at that pick. What you would get is cost-control, but that’s not a big factor for the Leafs as he is underpriced at $4.25 for the next two years and they have cap to burn beyond this next season anyway.
Not kidding! JVR is a perfect replacement for Taylor Hall and excellent cap for 2 more years. JVR was a#2 in 2007 and established.. Edmonton would like a top pairing defenceman and Taylor Hall can give them that and fill the void it will create.
EDM is not getting an elite Dman for that #4 pick or for Taylor Hall – that’s a pipe dream that history would suggest they may hold out for.
Now, could they get a prospect or emerging young D that has potential to become elite for a package including the #4? That’s far more likely I believe.
They deal is a dream – somebody here is JFJ in disguise
Jvr is a bit of a band aid he’s definetely not worth the 4th overall that’s dreamy dream land!
I am with you BBear – not even sure if JVR get’s you a number one, unless it’s a late in the first round #1.
JVR has been injured in 2 of 7 seasons & had Toronto been a playoff team he wouldn’t have been shut down so fast last season. JVR is a #1 NHL LW on a great contract who just turned 27. Your not trading a bird in the hand for the 4th overall pick & hoping that player might be as good as JVR 1 day! That makes no sense unless you have no choice. Say like Chicago giving up Teravainen for nothing to rid themselves of Bickell’s contract as they couldn’t even afford the cap hit his buy out would have provided.
& Chicago isn’t done moving salary yet. They don’t have the space to sign Shaw & flush out a 23 man roster. Toews & Kane’s contracts have left Chicago in a very tight spot in this cap world. That said 3 cups in 6 years & still a serious cup contender for at least 2 or 3 more makes it all worth it I assume.
“Several league sources claim the Carolina Hurricanes are still looking around for a top-six impact forward”
“Dreger also comments on the Edmonton Oilers efforts to bolster their blueline and how their first-round pick (fourth overall) is believed to be in play. “Lots of rumblings around the National Hockey League. ‘Maybe this is the time the Oilers change the culture of their club and Hall really is a target that they’d consider moving.’ Still, Dreger said he’d like to hear what the return would have to be for Oilers GM Peter Chiarelli to part with Taylor Hall.”
That 4th pick that’s in play can be so in a replacement for a departing Hall…I don’t know about this but there sure seems to look like there’s a fit where a move netting you “a top-six impact forward” aka, Hall the return would have to be Faulk, right?
I don’t trade Faulk for Hall. Faulk is Carolina’s #1 now, he just turned 24 is on a great contract for 4 more years & just scratching the surface of his potential. Teams don’t trade these Dman unless they have no choice or the offer is so ridiculous you can’t say know. Even Hall & Edm’s 4th doesn’t get Faulk from me, a player you can’t hope to find with out a ton of luck or picking 1st overall, maybe 4th in a really strong draft year if 1’s even available. None of this years crop appear to be a Hedman, Jones type selection. That’s not to say that any of them don’t become this player just don’t appear to be such today.
2 of 7 seasons striker?? You might want to check your stats again maybe check it twice
No. No, is the answer to your question.
haha
Oilers should imo say no to that deal. Toronto has to give up a bit more.
to Edmonton: JVR/Gardiner
to Toronto: #4/Yakupov/prospect
That deal would get Chiarreli fired real quick.
#4/Yakupov/prospect throw in a couple more high picks 2nd rounder this year and a 2nd or 3rd rounder 2017 and then maybe
Hahahahahah. Good luck, not a chance in hell your getting JVR for 4 never mind Gardiner & what the hell is Toronto going to do with Yakupov. You don’t want his personaility in that dressing room.
Edm isn’t moving 4 unless it helps secure a top 2 NHL Dman in some way.
Why does anyone think Toronto is going to move JVR? He had his break through season in 2012-13 & just started to earn top line minutes in the 2013-14 season. Posting seasons of 30 goals & 61 points & 27 goals & 56 points playing on brutal hockey teams in 2013-14 & 2014-15 respectively. JVR has more to give. 30 to 35 goals & 70 points are well with in his ability especially if the surrounding players get better. Matthews never mind Stamkos is a significant upgrade over Bozak. No slight to Bozak.
Indeed Striker, this is just more evidence of the sanguine paralysis that has taken hold in EDM.
I dont believe JVR gets you there. My guess is edmonton is looking for at least
someone like McDonough of the Rangers in a package. (rangers would not do straight up), Fowler from Ducks would not do it either.
The Rangers would be insane to trade Mcdonagh at this point.
Are you a leafs fan? You must be with this joke of a trade.
Toronto should stay the course. They don’t need Stamkos at any price and just start their own dynasty of drafting and developing the best talent! Kids are alright…I like what they are doing! From a long time fan.
It would appear that TML has finally got a blueprint on how to operate a proper new age hockey club. The days of handcuffing a club to high $$$ amount players only to buyout are slowly going to be a new business model. Baby steps and stay the course!
I agree. Keep the money, stay the course, repeat exactly what they did last season, signing a bunch of 1 year deals with UFA’s flipping them for picks at the trade deadline adding 1 or 2 kids a season. I think securing a solid top 4 Dman to help mentor the kids is where I would spend my money & not a super glamorous D, a player like a Demers or Hamhuis to help lead who can still play 18 to 20 mins a night primarily in a defensive role & provide stability & leadership.
@Striker, thank you.. Finally a person with “common sense” and business acumen!
If the Leafs are planning to stay out of the Stamkos sweeps should they make a pitch to Detroit to take the Datsyuk contract? If they can get another good young asset or pick in the deal in return for burning a bit of cap space for a year it makes sense to me.
I hope they do exactly what you suggest Boyd and leave the Stamkos cap to someone else.
I think when you can get a player of Stamkos ability for $ rather than having to trade away picks or prospects ,you go for it. The majority of the team is on entry level contracts and the team has cap space. Imagine if Kessel was acquired for 8 million a year rather than the first rounders. Players like Stamkos do not come up for like this very often.
Dreger just said that Buffalo is willing to give Stamkos 7 years $84 million or an AAV of $12 million per. The odds that Toronto would offer that are probably pretty Nil i would think.
Buffalo has some serious financial might; cap space. They wouldn’t even need to go that high. At close to 10 per, acquiring his rights they could to 8 years at 10. They should have used the pick with another asset to acquire Stamkos’s rights instead of wasting it on Vesey.
O’Reilly moves back to LW like he played on & off for years in Colorado & Buffalo’s top 6 are set. Buffalo & Detroit seem the most obvious spots for me but Detroit better hurry up & free up the cap space. If Stamkos wants to win a cup TB is his best option. Of teams that might have that opportunity Buffalo is a far better choice than Detroit.
O’Reilly, Stamkos, Ennis.
Kane, Eichel, Reinhart.
Add a top 3 Dman & Buffalo is a playoff team next season. If Lehner can stay healthy & that’s a big if but possible I wouldn’t risk it though. I would use some of that financial might to get a legitamate #1. If Buffalo were able to sign Stamkos they would be well served to go get MAF. They have the picks to make that work easily.
God bless Buffalo! Yikes..
Striker – this all scares me. I like Stamkos but I don’t know if I like him that much. this would be the gutsiest move a Buffalo GM would have made since the Bills acquired Cornelius Bennett.
I don’t disagree I’m just saying they have the money to make it work, even moving forward. Buffalo is a stones throw from making a serious step up in the standings. Ideally they would wait 1 season post expansion but the opportunities that exist today to acquire a Stamkos, Backes, Lucic, or similar player, MAF & a top 4 LH D exist today & won’t next summer following expansion. If Buffalo made these moves I can’t see how they could possibly miss the playoffs baring a significant injury to 1 of the studs & could do some damage.
You might be upset come July 1st. I don’t understand why people think a 30th place team can do without one of the best young centers in the game? What team/fan wouldn’t want or thinks they don’t need one of those?
Maybe Stammer can double shift on D cause The Sabers don’t got one…
The phrase developing the best talent is questionable every time the Leafs are mentioned.
Holland is crazy if he thinks it won’t take a high draft pick or talented young player to move the Datsyuk contract. Panthers just moved the Savard contract and a 2nd to Devils… It’ll take at the very least a 2nd and possibly some more for a team to take that contract on ($7.5m) cap hit. Keep in mind for all those out there saying teams have to get to the floor… Many teams will make moves that’ll improve their teams this off season, resign key RFA’s, and free agents… By the time it’s all said and done most teams will be at the floor. Also, taking on that contract will handcuff the team throughout the offseason as they’re on the hook until opening day.
Datsyuk will not be paid one cent though. That is the difference. Savard cost the Devils $4mil.
In cap space, in actual salary Savard’s only being paid 575K
No not until opening day, his contract expires June 30th, they would not be on the hook 1 day past that point…
Datsyuk’s contract doesn’t expire until end of the 2016-17 season.
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Exactly Striker. People need to research more regarding trading players for the terms of moving contracts, although they won’t be on the hook to pay the player the cap hit is still active throughout free agency, off season, ect. Teams will be reluctant to do the deal unless they’re being compensated and it’ll have to be an attractive offer.
Pretty funny if Edmonton were to trade Hall…Chiarelli would have the distinction of trading both the #1 and #2 picks in the 2010 draft.
We know how the trading of Sequin went.
TML should bring Luke Schenn back for 5 years@$22.5 contract. He is a character guy and a good candidate for captaincy and shut down guy with tutelage from Babcock.
No.
Good character guy, yes but too slow for todays game.
There should be better options available cheaper, either as UFA’s or in trade.
No we are not trading the 4th for JVR thanks, Love the Leaf fans overvaluing there players, I am all for Trading Hall and the 4th for a true # 1 Dman thoughts.
I love hearing an Oil fan saying the Leafs are overvaluing their players after how many seasons of not trading any of your ‘elite’ scoring forwards that have gotten you nowhere?
Leafs just gave up a 1st and a 2nd for a decent quality starting goalie – that’s an example of paying the price to add a piece you need, something the Oil could learn from.
I am Saying the Oil should Trade the 4th and Hall for a Dman and yes the Leaf fans do over value everything they got in there system.
Dan the thing is leaf fans thought the same when they got bernier but good defensive teams make the goalies look better! Hence bernier Anderson could be a good pickup but 5 yrs 5 million is risky
Actually the Oilers traded picks last year to get Talbot and I think they are happy with that move.
They could have acquired as good a goalie as a UFA. I agree though Talbot’s performance justify’s the cost. Enroth & Neuvirth both appear to be NHL starters & they cost nothing more than cash & far less than Talbot got.
Are you as happy with Edm moving the 16th & 33rd picks to acquire G. Reinhart? Can or will Edm even protect him in expansion? For that matter even if available would he be selected?
Hey Striker,
Reinhart has definitely not panned out so far, as I think the team would have hoped and especially based on the price paid. He is still young, so things could change, but not a great deal at this point in my opinion.
The organization was pretty high on him, having watched him quite a bit since he played his jr hockey in Edmonton with the Oil Kings. Obviously they appear to have overpaid at this point.
But why expend the assets pre expansion draft. Terrible asset management by Edm for a player they can’t hope to protect & isn’t exempt. Again not that he would be selected regardless as I assume Edmonton will be exposing a better player at forward more likely to be selected but not necessarily.
That’s right Striker, a clear and substantial error. If Oil management cannot secure a top D through this offseason and are caught sitting on their hands again, there needs to be a revolt among the fanbase.
Toronto would be one of the only other places that management ineptitude of this degree would be accepted, but in most other markets there would be a wholesale rejection. In Montreal, there would be riots.
I haven’t seen fan discontent in Vancouver like what is happening now since the moved from the old building. Fans are fed up. In 2 short years the current ownership & management group has seriously upset the fan base. The Gubranson trade hasn’t helped either.
The worst asset management ever seen in the NHL bare none for me.
@Oil fan, then who replaces Taylor Halls spot & production in the lineup!?
His cap $$$ would be offered to Milan Lucic 6 x 5 years …PC and Louch go way back and get along well …a little less skill …A LOT MORE TOUGHNESS 30 + 30 playing beside McD… and he has even said the he is / would consider Edm
why can’t the Oilers move RNH to left wing and have the top 2 lines as
RNH/McDavid/Eberle
Hall/Draisaitl/UFA Brouwer? or Pouliot
if RNH can’t fit on the wing he has to go but injuries have made his trade value poor. Im a huge fan and am starting to think just keep him and Eberle (they need his sniping next to McDavid) and sign another UFA defenseman or trade the #4 with some other pieces for a #2 or #3 dman. they won’t get a #1 dman. I wonder what they could get for a package of the #4 with Yakupov and another piece.
sign Jason Demers to the same deal as Sekera. it would be nice to only have a 4 year deal but edmonton still has to overpay. same as Winnipeg. maybe Demers takes 5 years but why would anyone do that? i wouldnt so 6 years $33M $5.5M per. tough to give two second pairing guys that much AAV but what can you do?
Klefbom/Sekera
Nurse/Demers
Davidson/Fayne
Reinhart/Clendening slowly improving.
i say ask the Blues permission to speak with Shattenkirk and offer him a 8 year $60M deal that he can’t say no to. hopefully. then trade the #4 to St. Louis for him. maybe a little more coming back from St. Louis.
Demer’s isn’t going to get Sekera money or term.
signing anyone for $10m is a mistake.
I couldn’t agree more.
Pretty sure that both Toronto and Buffalo would Gladly do it for sTAMKOS.
I think they would as well. Don’t confuse I wouldn’t with many NHL GM’s wouldn’t. They have shown time & time again they will. Greed & fear are alive & well in the NHL. Ha-ha! Even in this cap world.
@Gary and Striker, TML will not succumb to the old ways of doing business. They are showing a lot of poise, finesse and menouvering like never before! The cap as I see it will be flat for the next decade.
TO is too smart now
The NHL is currently expanding it’s electronic media income world wide at a shocking rate. A national American TV contract will be coming eventually, with in the next 6 years. Still numerous business issues to be resolved in the NHL, relocating Carolina is just a matter of time; either to Quebec or else where I assume else where as Quebec is willing to pony up 500 mil US regardless of the Canadian dollar. Another round of expansion by at least 1 team; Quebec, is coming as well; potentially as soon as the 2018-19 season. The NHL won’t want to stay at 31 teams & 500 million is a ton of money for every NHL team.
I’m shocked the NHL just isn’t taking both teams now.
The tax issue has been misreported over and over. Canadian citizens working in the US pay the Canadian-US tax differential. Meaning that if US taxes are less than the Canadian tax, the Canadian must pay the difference to Revenue Canada.
Therefore unless Stamkos renounces his Canadian citizenship and becomes a US citizen he will effectively pay the Canadian tax rate anywhere he works in North America. It is the same for every Canadian working in the US.
No, that’s wrong. You have it exactly backwards.
Shattenkirk to the Bruins for 29th pick in this years draft and a player off their roster (Sponner) & might have to add a pick in next years draft….still will need another Dman and a power forward who can skate score and play the body
That’s an over payment! Noway Boston should give the 29th pick and Spooner for Shattenkirk. If trading Spooner he needs to bring back more then a player with one year left on his contract. The player isn’t the issue for me; its the 1yr remaining on his contract.
No thank you. If Boston can’t add a Dman as a UFA I say promote; C. Miller, Morrow, from with in save the assets. The Bruins are a bubble team even with a Shattenkirk, Yandle, etc. Shattenkirk is going to want 7 mil per long term. I say again, no thank you, nor do I want to give up a 1st; 29th, or any other asset to acquire Shattenkirk.
Agree 100% Striker.
The Bruins top players are aging, and the young ones currently on the roster are not high end players like a Chara or Bergeron.
Adding an offensive D Man or 2 will not solve their problem. I view Shattenkirk or Yandle as basically the same. 2nd pairing and can run the PP.
An upgrade for sure, but not top pairing studs. These are generally found in the draft or trading for while they are still unproven, and even then you will give up a ransom. Which will just create another hole. They need to accept reality and begin an expedited rebuild, they have the assets to speed up the process.
The Jacobs family remembers how bad attendance was last time they went full rebuild and will do anything to avoid that.
I think Sweeney will be pressured into going after Yandle or Shattenkirk, and they will continue to be a bubble team, delaying the inevitable.
They improved their prospect base substantially last year, stay the course, play young guys and even expedite with the trading of aging assets for younger and picks.
The rebuild started in earnest last season. It’s well under way & Boston stayed competitive regardless. It will continue this season. I have no issue with adding a Yandle or Goligoski at around 6.5 for 6 years. It helps buffer & buy time for the young D who by the time Chara & Seidenberg are gone they will slide in to more significant roles.
Other than Chara & Seidenberg the Bruins core not counting all the kids; all in their low 20’s, that played significant minutes & roles last season are all in or around 30. Bergeron, Krejci, Marchand, Belesky, Mcquad, K. Miller, Eriksson; let him walk trade his rights for the best offer available, & Rask.
You seem more optimistic than I am.
I just think the trading of high picks (first 2 rounds) for short term help is a mistake. T
They will likely get some very good quality from the last draft, but they won’t be contributing in a significant way for another 3-4 years (Carlo being the exception). I hope they do not rush them like the Oilers did.
In 3-4 years Chara and Seidenberg are gone, Bergeron and Kreicji will still be contributing but in decline.
The trading away of young talent (Sequin & Hamilton) made the gap too large in the age of their top talent to just continue on trying to contend. It was there, now it isn’t.
I call Boston a bubble team. I don’t move picks, prospects or young players but I would spend some of the cap monies available to bring in a UFA or 2 & extended Marchand.
Boston played quite well last season considering the amount of youth that played & almost made the playoffs doing so. Their is no reason to think they will be worse next season. all that youth should be nominally better & Boston has money to spend in the UFA market.
No way in the world will Boston give up Spooner+29th overall pick for 1 year of Shattenkirk when he already said that he wants to sign with the Rangers in 2017 can’t see Boston giving up that much.
Where did he say that?
Yeah, he can’t exactly say he wants to sign with Ny while still under contract. That’s blatant tampering.
A player can say what ever he wants. It’s the teams that can’t. Doing so doesn’t benefit the player though. Having a team know you want to play their doesn’t help your negotiations.
Hamhuis made it very clear to everyone he wanted to play in Vancouver approaching UFA status on his last contract. Philadelphia traded for his rights & he signed a very team friendly contract to play where he wanted in Vancouver.
Yes, a player could say whatever he wants but why would he limit his own market like that. All I’ve seen that he’s said is that if moved he’d like to go back east. That’s the smart thing to say. Pit all of the east coast teams against each other and walk out with the top dollar. If he came out and said he only wanted to play for the Rangers, not only would he not get many offers from other teams but the Rangers offer would probably come in significantly lower with the knowledge of that’s the only place he wants to play
Similar to the Martin St. Louis trade a couple years back now. If TBL was shopping MSL to all teams it’s possible Yzerman could have gotten an even better return, but MSL said he’d only agree to a trade to NYR which obviously extremely hamstrung Yzerman into a deal
Moving spooner would be a Dumb move
Fleury was my first choice for the Flames, I wasn’t confident they could land him though, with the NMC and all. But it’s starting to look like if he wants to start, Calgary is the place to be for him. The asking price may be two of their second round picks (of 35, 54 & 56 something like that) and maybe someone like Poirier (a player they really liked at the draft but took a step back last year, but that’s starting to sound expensive for a cap strapped GM with his hands tied). I love Fleury’s character and unlike Toronto, Calgary has some young goalies that could benefit from a veteran like him. And like Toronto, a developing team needs solid goaltending. Their chances of making the playoffs are better with him than anyone else on the market, if he can stay healthy, which is the best place to develop young players. If else, I say Chad Johnson on a similar term.
Please correct me if I’m wrong; don’t you have to have your own draft picks to put an offer sheet out? Boston can’t put an offer sheet for Trouba because they don’t own their own 2nd or 3rd round pick next year.
Yes you do. Haggerty is again showing he’s not qualified to be a journalist.
Boston doesn’t have it’s 2nd or 3rd round picks in 2017 so unless they reacquire them Boston has no hope of offer sheeting any RFA. Haggerty making himself look brilliant yet again. As a reporter you think he would take some time to verify his thoughts.
Again here are the RFA offer sheet thresholds. Boston’s picks don’t fit a single 1.
Amount Compensation Due
$1,205,377 or below None
Over $1,205,377 to $1,826,328 3rd round pick
Over $1,826,328 to $3,652, 659 2nd round pick
Over $3,652,659 to $5,478,986 1st and 3rd round pick
Over $5,478,986 to $7,305,316 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round pick
Over $7,305,316 to $9,131,645 Two 1st’s, one 2nd, one 3rd round pick
Over $9,131,645 Four 1st round picks
That’s Joe Haggerty for you Striker! how does one take a professional sports writer serious when he doesn’t know the basics.
1 of the things I always thought these guys were taught in school was to verify the facts. I guess in today’s society, in the digital, instant media era, being accurate is secondary to selling paper & getting hits.
Bingo! I trust DJ Bean for the most part, although his recent remarks that Don Sweeney does not have a plan has to be limited thinking. Haggerty does have nice work on past prospects on the CSNEE feed. I get better information on forums than from the Boston journalists.
Right up there with his buddy Jimmy Murphy
I just called him out for it on Twitter too
His response, “Technically they could, actually…they’d just need to offer north of $9 million per season. Bad asset mgmt is killing the Bruins”
My thoughts… Maybe if Sweeney could pawn off Seidenberg to Carolina while retaining $1M to get back the 3rd he gave up for JML’s (17 GP’s, 6 PT’s & -7 +/-) help in the “playoff push”
He also just stated that if he were B’s he “would almost be tempted to drop a massive offer sheet on Seth Jones, though. He might be worth it in a couple yrs”
So the B’s would have to offer him in the 4 1sts compensation bracket without having their own 2nd & 3rd draft picks in this years draft. Meaning, the B’s would be without a 1st round pick (unless acquiring other teams’ in different trades) for 4 consecutive years…
Well technically that’s true & they can Have Trouba, Lindholm, Jones or Dumba at 9,131,645 plus. Any of those teams would gladly take Boston’s 4 1sts. What a moron. Not you obviously Shawn but Haggerty. Man up I say your wrong, show some class.
Calls out the B’s for poor asset management (which he is correct) but then poses the question to sign Jones to an offer sheet that will give up the next four firsts
Yup, and the Oilers don’t have their 2nd round pick in 2017 as it has to go to Boston when they hired PC, and in order to make an offer sheet you have to have your own pick not one required from another team. So the most the Oilers can go on an offer sheet to Jones is $5,478,986 as anything more requires a 2nd round pick.
Unless they offer in the four 1st round pick compensation bracket as well, $9+ M
Who is going to off Jones or any other RFA 9+mil?
No 1, that’s what were saying. Haggerty is trying to justify his comments about the Bruins offer sheeting 1 of the D mentioned by Lyle above quoting Haggerty.
I look at it differently then everyone on the Stamkos thing, this is all about now and after hockey. What is he going to do sign with a hated Leaf rival then live in Toronto after with everyone pissed, he would not even be able to walk around with out people telling him off daily, he would have to move. I said it since last year to my cousin if he does not sign in Tampa I think he comes home top 5 Canadian, Center, Captian, Gary Roberts program guy, he is a leader and from Toronto, he def help Tampas’ kids and after he is done playing hockey does he want a skate line etc, it will do a lot better if he is in Toronto, Clark and Gilmour still seem to do alright, the jersey sales alone would be retarted. PS and he is only 26 and this is for money, a great Toronto would help the whole league money wise even more than they do, the ratings were terrible this year.
I am wondering if Toronto has any interest in Stamkos at all. They already have Kadri and in all likelihood they are probably going to go after Matthews in the draft. If the Red Wing’s are willing to include Teemu Pulkkinen if Toronto might be willing to take on Datsyuk’s contract? Pulkkinen is a great prospect and taking on 1 yr of Datsyuk’s contract might not be so bad. Again this is only if the Leafs aren’t interested in Stamkos.
Detroit is in a downward trend! Until they rid themselves of Zetterberg and Franzens contract (depreciating assets) and Datsyuk dead cap then they can get back to playoff hockey! They are handcuffed with aging stars! RFA’s are cost controlled and need to be kept and not traded..
Franzen’s career is over. He’s dead cap space as well but at least his cap & salary can be put on LTIR starting on opening day of the NH, October 12th this season before any team can LTIR a player. Injured players count as part of your 23 man roster & cap hit when required to submit your roster to the NHL the day prior to the start of the season.
Toronto currently has less than 5 million in cap space at 73 million. That # will go up substantially when Cowen is bought out to about 8.6 & I’m sure several more tweaks are coming to Toronto’s roster this summer.
If Toronto was looking to sign Stamkos they would need to clear a spot for him. Why would they have signed Kadri to a long term deal, with the knowledge that they are already planing to draft Matthews. Without Stamkos Toronto already has Kadri, Matthews, and Bozak as there top 3 center’s. Yes they probably would move Bozak but that still leaves Kadri and Matthews as your top 2 center’s. I can’t see either of them playing the 3rd line center position.
Yes once you become a 30th place team, no need to improve by adding an elite player like Stamkos. No team/fan really should turn away from great irreplaceable players…like the Leafs and Gretzky. Oh wait.
Matthew’s may need time to develop starting in a 3rd line role working his way up the depth chart as he learns the NHL game waiting his turn as he has Kadri & Bozak in front of him until Bozak is traded which will happen eventually potentially as early as this summer & if they added Stamkos, Matthews is the #3 for sure & Bozak would have to be moved to make it work unless Matthews starts on the wing or Stamkos plays RW, something he hasn’t enjoyed if you listen to the uniformed as the only people that really know are Stamkos, Yzerman & Cooper.
This isn’t necessarily Colorado, Edmonton or Calgary that could just drop McKinnon, RNH or Monahan into a top 6 roles right off the hop & it is not the best way to develop even stud prospects. Eichel is Buffalo’s #2 currently, O’Reilly was & is their #1 currently. RNH when healthy logged more TOI/GP than McDavid, so at best it was a 1A & 1B scenario, even Draisaitl only logged 0:50 less ice time per game on average than McDavid so you could say a 1A, 1B & 1C scenario when all were healthy & playing.
The lines in today’s NHL between #1’s to #3’s is getting very blurry in that your # 1 LW may not necessarily play on your 1st line, or your #2 or even #3 may log more TOI/GP than your #1. Kadri lead all forwards in TO last season in TOI/GP! What does that make him? Again it’s not as clear as it was 10 years ago even 5. Depth in today’s NHL is essential. Clutch & grab isn’t gone but nothing like the dead puck era. Almost all teams role 4 lines now & run to preset PP units to try & keep players fresh. The game is way faster today then ever before & if the NHL would call the rules as written it would be even faster.
Kevin, Kadri isn’t big but he hits and plays with an edge. Not a typical shutdown centre but in today’s nhl your 3rd line doesn’t have to be. I think he’s more suited as a second line centre but being a skilled and gritty 3rd line guy isn’t that much of a stretch imo.
@Ron Moore.. Stamkos does not make a team! He is but one person and @12 million AAV, “PASS” if I am MLSE board, he will not make me any more revenue, in fact, he will depreciate in value from the moment ink meets the paper then the team will be handcuffed with $$$$ and term. Tampa is his best resolve!
they’re waiting for Tavares.
Better player anyhow…
The usual Toronto wishful thinking.
I don’t know what the confusion is on this. Here are the centers the Leafs have:
Kadri +6 years
Bozak +2 years
Nylander – long term
Matthews – long term
You also have Marner coming in next season who has also played as a center and RW and then a variety of bulk pieces like Gauthier, Holland, Froese.
So, I don’t see the need for Stamkos or Tavares. If we’re dreaming, let’s dream of a young Weber, Suter, Keith, etc.
Dan Marner is a winger, and Nylander would be moved to right wing too if there’s a glut of centres.
JVR-Stamkos-Marner
Komi-Mathews-Nylander
Hyman-Kadri-Shosh
Liepsic-Gauthier-brown
This is a potential 2017-18 line up assuming Bozak gets traded and Lupul bought out/traded before the last year of his contract. Of course a lot can happen in two off seasons, but I’m very ok with this lineup as is.
I had a very long conversation with a friend yesterday about landing spots for Stamkos. If Toronto is going to sign Stamkos they can do so before opening day as teams are allowed to exceed the cap by 10% in the summer but with the acquisition of Anderson Toronto has a little under 5 million in cap space with a cap of 73 mil. That means when Toronto submits it’s 23 man roster by 9PM the night prior to the opening day they would need to have traded a player to be cap compliant. This would potentially meaning trading from a position of weakness. Teams knowing you have to dump 5 million in salary before 9PM the day prior to the start of the season.
On opening day they can they can put Horton & Robidas on LTIR & go back to market for assets to replace their cap hits but not before.
I have no idea where Stamkos may end up. I let him walk trading his rights for the best offer available. It solves TB’s cap issues. I also trade Bishop all though the goalie market has dried up with only Calgary now being in serious need. A few teams might take Bishop flipping him, taking back a Halak, Niemi, etc. Although with 1 year to UFA Status & most likely wanting Bobrovsky to Lundqvist money I’m not taking him.
Kevin O’Donnell, sports anchor/reporter with Fox in TB, states “reports out of Canada have a deal in the works for the Lightning to trade Ben Bishop to the Calgary Flames”
Bishop has a NMC, and also almost a 6mil cap hit. That would make it very difficult for the flames to sign their big RFA’s. As an Oiler fan I would not mind, as Bishop is also had injury problems as well.
He also says TB is after the 1st overall.I think he is the southern version of Steve Simmons.
Being from the Northeast, I don’t see or follow any of his work, but I saw a blue check mark tweeting out some big news and thought I’d post it on here
Shawn, from what I heard that originally came from a fake Pierre Lebrun account tweeting that a Bishop for Monahan trade was in the works.
Thanks. The one bad thing about Twitter around this time. Even the blue check marks get tricked sometimes too
I really hope Marc-Andre wants to play in Calgary. It’s a great fit hockey wise. He’d be the perfect goalie for that young team.
Unless Dallas can somehow dump one of their goalies, that deal isn’t realistic.
How good or bad was Robin Lehner last year? Fleury going to Buffalo to play for Byslma is the only other good fit I see.
I have no doubt MAF would be an upgrade there, but would Tim Murray have the ego to move on from Lehner only a year after placing his bet on him?
That’s a great question. It comes down to would Lehner be selected in the expansion draft? He might not. If not Lehner stays in Buffalo as MAF back up until his contract nears expiry; MAF that is, or he is traded if Lehner can solve his injury issues & plays well. It’s great insurance & would limit Lehner’s next contract, as Buffalo’s back up he would have a difficult time demanding or justifying a raise over the 2.25 he makes for 1 more year then facing RFA status having arbitration rights.
Having just turned 24 I’m not certain Lehner is truly ready for a full time starters role regardless. It’s a very risky proposition from an asset protection perspective but potentially worth the risk. If Buffalo were to lose Lehner it keeps all other assets protected & it may be worth the off set. That being Lehner goes or someone else goes. Exposing Lehner might get a player through that Buffalo would prefer to keep & with MAF in the fold not the end of the world.
Or with Matt Murray making peanuts, the Pens could probably take Lehner back in the deal to be the backup, even at his salary.
And same thing, if a year from now the Pens lost Lehner to Vegas instead of Ian Cole or Bryan Rust that would be a win, too.
Losing Cole wouldn’t be back breaking in anyway & I would be shocked if that’s the player Las Vegas would select, a border line NHL player. Right now assuming the MAF situation is addressed, Pittsburgh would be looking at losing Pouliot using a 7F, 3D & 1G scenario. If the 8 skater option exists perhaps they protect Pouliot & risk losing a forward other than Crosby, Malkin, Hornqvist or Kessel.
True. In my armchair GM’ing I’d trade Pouliot this summer. Get a player who wouldn’t need to be protected for him. Or a pick.
I’d also extend Bonino after dealing MAF, so I have them protecting Crosby, Malkin, Kessel, Bonino, Hagelin, Hornquist and Sheary at F. Letang, Dumoulin and Maatta on D. And Murray.
That’s why I was down to Cole or Rust as their expansion fodder.
Your probably right – Calgary is the best fit at the moment. Buffalo would be interesting but I highly suspect Lehner will be given a lot of leash (Murray was instrumental in scouting and drafting Lehner while with the Sens and it was no surprise that Lehner was the target of a trade not long after he became GM in Buffalo).
I don’t discount Dallas. Nil recently said (2 weeks ago?) something along the lines of Lethonen isn’t going anywhere, but did not address Nemi at all. As a Pens fan, you’d hate to see Fleury leave but it is the reality of the cap/expansion, etc. I have long wondered if a deal with Dallas is possible as a Fleury/Nemi baseline where Nemi is the veteran backup for Murray and could be left unprotected in the expansion. What else Dallas would need to add, no idea.
My intitial thought was that Fleury would go to Dallas with Niemi coming back with Dallas paying half of his salary.
But, that was when I thought Niemi only had one year left on his deal, evidently he has two. Tough to move that deal. Doubt Dallas eats two years of half his salary while also paying Lehtonen and MAF.
Dallas would have to move one of them to another team and who’d want them?
With Carolina and Toronto off the table, I think it’s Calgary or Buffalo.
Holland will not deal Datsyuk’s contract, rather he will hold on to it and bury the 7.5 million. This is the excuse he will use at the end of the year for his club floundering and not making the playoffs. This will allow the club to appear to be spending right up to the cap but in reality 7.5 million short.
Really? He can’t be put on LTIR. You honestly believe Detroit with Zetterberg, Green, Kronwall, Ericsson & Howard all making big money nearing the end of there careers that for most part Detroit is just going to stand pat & swallow Datsyuk’s contract? Fransen’s to for that matter but at least he can be put on LTIR on opening day & the money relocated.
You may be right but I just don’t see it.
Mike, what part of Holland’s history would suggest he would make a decision like that for appearance sake? Smacks of insecurity, which he is not. One of the most respected executives in the NHL. Total straight shooter with an bullet proof reputation. The list of people he has mentored that are succeeding in the NHL is long.
He may not be able to move Datsyuk’s contract, but not for the reason you suggest. Simply a tough break he will try to deal with.
You can bet that a team with an excess of you Dmen would take the #4 for one of them. That would include Wild, Ducks and maybe Sabers and Jets. If they offered that pick for Fowler, vantenan, Trouba or Dumba or maybe even Bogosian teams would jump at that. I bet the Leafs would even make Gardner available?
Gardiner……lmao!!!!!!!
If you’re the Leafs, despite his shortcomings, you’re not really in a position to be moving Gardiner given the holes in the D.
You have Rielly (L) / Gardiner (L) / Zaitsev (R) as your top four pieces, with Zaitsev an unknown in the NHL.
You really need to add a top D to that mix, ideally a right side one. If you swap Gardiner for a 4th overall, you then need two top four D.
If you draft Joulevi with that, he may be a future top D, but that would be 5-7 years out.
Rielly was a 2012 and was the best D at the Worlds, but hasn’t done it in the NHL. Maybe next year? The year after?
Steve Zipay who covers the Rangers for Newsday Sports tweeting out that the Blackhawks are kicking the tires on Malkin. HOW?!