Lucic to the Oilers? Nugent-Hopkins to the Devils? Bruins to send offer sheet to Trouba? Check out the latest in your NHL rumor mill.
Latest Oilers speculation.
Could the Edmonton Oilers sign Milan Lucic on July 1?
TSN 1040 (via TODAY’S SLAPSHOT): Bob McKenzie claims Edmonton is now a hot ticket for some players, citing the drafting last year of Connor McDavid, the Oilers new state of the art arena and the presence of well-respected former Hockey Canada president and now Oilers CEO Bob Nicholson among the drawing points. McKenzie also spoke about how the Oilers new crop of young players (McDavid, Leon Draisaitl, Jesse Puljujarvi) could create salary-cap issues down the road, which could make high-salaried forwards like Taylor Hall, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins and Jordan Eberle expendable. He also speculates Milan Lucic might be willing to give the Oilers a discount, in part because of his former ties with GM Peter Chiarelli during their days with the Boston Bruins.
EDMONTON JOURNAL: Jim Matheson reports the Oilers yesterday hosted pending unrestricted free agents Milan Lucic and Jason Demers, giving them a tour of their new arena and the city. UFAs can speak and visit with interested clubs in the week leading up to the July 1 opening day of free agency. Matheson speculates it could cost the Oilers a six-year, $36-million contract to sign Lucic, considered the No. 2 player in this summer’s UFA market behind Tampa Bay’s Steven Stamkos. If the Oilers sign him, Matheson believes one of their other high-salaried forwards must be moved for a defenseman. He suggests left wing Benoit Pouliot could be a trade candidate. The Oilers are also believed “kicking the tires” on Dallas Stars pending UFA blueliner Kris Russell.
David Staples cites unconfirmed reports claiming the Oilers have deals worked out with Lucic and Demers that will be formally announced on July 1. He notes teams and players aren’t supposed to negotiate contract details during this six-day interview period. They can only discuss the general parameters of a deal.
WEEI.COM: D.J. Bean spoke to Lucic about the reports of having a deal in principle with the Oilers. The winger dismissed them as “bullshit.” Bean added Lucic isn’t ruling out the Oilers, but he hasn’t agreed with anyone yet.
SPECTOR’S NOTE: The chance to play alongside a genuine young superstar like McDavid must be enticing to some players. The new arena and the front-office changes last summer don’t hurt. If the Oilers sign Lucic, they absolutely must trade one of their high-salaried players. With Taylor Hall, Patrick Maroon and Pouliot already on the left side, and Puljujarvi possible joining them next season, someone must go.
If the requirement remains to land a top-two defenseman (I don’t see Demers filling that role), Hall will most certainly bring them that return. If they retain Hall, Maroon or Pouliot must go, and neither will fetch that big-ticket blueliner the Oilers needs. It’s unlikely they’ll trade Puljujarvi. Maybe Chiarelli attempts to trade Pouliot and Nugent-Hopkins or Eberle in separate deals, the former to clear salary and the latter to both dump some cap space and bring in a top-two blueliner.
THE PROVINCE: Jason Botchford noted Lucic also visited with the Vancouver Canucks. If Lucic decides to sign with the Oilers, Botchford doesn’t believe that’s a bad thing for the Canucks, as the asking price (six years, $36 million) is a steep price. Still, he also speculates it’s plausible the Canucks could top any rival offer made for Lucic.
NJ.COM: Chris Ryan cites a recent reports by the Edmonton Journal’s Jim Matheson claiming the New Jersey Devils are looking at Oilers center Ryan Nugent-Hopkins. Devils defenseman Damon Severson could be a trade target for the Oilers.
SPECTOR’S NOTE: The Devils need scoring punch on right wing, so I think Eberle, not RNH, is the player they’d want. Regardless, I don’t think Severson is the type of return the Oilers need to address their top-two blueliner needs. Severson has considerable potential but he’s not yet established himself fully in that role. I think the Oilers would prefer Adam Larsson.
Updates on Stamkos, Jones, Trouba and Weise
TSN: Darren Dreger reports pursuing Steven Stamkos is a top priority for the Detroit Red Wings and he believes the Wings can make a competitive offer of seven years worth $10.5 million annually, perhaps more. They also feel they have to cap space to perhaps pursue one or two UFA forwards. If they can’t sign Stamkos by Friday, they’re in on Milan Lucic and could have interest in Frans Nielsen.
SPECTOR’S NOTE: The Red Wings will definitely be players in the upcoming UFA market. They’ll add one, maybe two, significant names via free agency. They have the cap space and willingness to spend.
Pierre LeBrun reminds us Stamkos could still re-sign with the Tampa Bay Lightning. Midnight on Thursday, June 30 is the deadline to get an eight-year deal from the Lightning. After that, the Bolts can only ink him to a seven-year deal. If they get told Stamkos wants to move on, they could attempt to ship him to a rival club before that midnight deadline.
Dreger also reports the Columbus Blue Jackets say they’ll match any offer sheet for RFA defenseman Seth Jones. The Winnipeg Jets also say the same about RFA defenseman Jacob Trouba. Contract negotiations between the Jackets and Jones are ongoing.
LeBrun claims the Montreal Canadiens have been in touch with UFA winger Dale Weise, who they dealt to the Chicago Blackhawks at the trade deadline. The Habs are interested in bringing him back for the right price. Earlier in the day, Dreger reported the Habs were among 10 teams with interest in Weise.
CSNNE.COM: Joe Haggerty reports a hockey source claims Boston Bruins GM Don Sweeney is preparing an offer sheet for Winnipeg Jets defenseman Jacob Trouba. The offer would reportedly total a minimum of $47 million, with the aim of signing Trouba to a deal that the Jets can’t afford to match. “Because they sent their 2017 third round pick to the Flyers for Zac Rinaldo and their 2017 second round pick to New Jersey for Lee Stempniak, the Bruins must put together an offer sheet with an average annual value (AAV) of at least $9.3 million that will require Boston to give up four consecutive first round picks as compensation.”
SPECTOR’S NOTE: A $9.3 million per season offer sheet could indeed be more than the Jets are willing to match, but it’s also a huge risk for the Bruins. Trouba has undeniable potential to become a top-two defenseman, but he’s struggled through injury and inconsistency the last two seasons. Inking him to a $9.3 million per season deal could prove a costly mistake if he fails to progress as expected. Not to mention giving up four first-round draft picks could significantly hurt the Bruins rebuilding efforts.
Latest on Fowler, Shattenkik, Staal, Martin and Perron
TSN 690 (via TODAY’S SLAPSHOT): Darren Dreger reports Anaheim Ducks defenseman Cam Fowler is a tradeable asset, and while the Ducks might claim they’re not pushing him, the blueliner is in play and the Ducks are fielding offers for him. Dreger believes the asking price must come down a bit. He thinks they’re looking for a top-six or at worst a top-nine forward for Fowler, but doubts “there’s that type of fit in Montreal.”
As for St. Louis Blues defenseman Kevin Shattenkirk,how long it takes to move him depends upon a team being willing to meet GM Doug Armstrong’s asking price. With the Edmonton Oilers getting Jesse Puljujarvi in the draft, Dreger suspects they could be pitching either Taylor Hall, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins or Jordan Eberle to the Blues.
SPECTOR’S NOTE: One of those blueliners could be dealt by the weekend. A lot will depend upon how things shake out from the opening day of free agency.
NBC SPORTS: James O’Brien reports forward Eric Staal is seeking a top-six role as a center. He also isn’t expecting a long-term contract. A reunion with his former team, the Carolina Hurricanes, isn’t out of the question. His agent, Rick Curran, claims three or four clubs have expressed interest in his client.
SPECTOR’S NOTE: Staal’s ongoing decline makes him a gamble right now. A two-year deal for a substantial cut in pay from the $8.25 million annual cap hit of his previous deal will have to be in order. Even then, is he even capable of being a top-six center anymore? He certainly didn’t show it last season.
TSN.CA: cites a report by Newsday’s Arthur Staple claiming six clubs (Boston Bruins, Calgary Flames, Detroit Red Wings, Los Angeles Kings, Montreal Canadiens and Toronto Maple Leafs) have reached out to New York Islanders pending UFA winger Matt Martin. The New York Rangers also inquired but his asking price of four years and $12 million puts him out of the their salary-cap comfort zone.
SPECTOR’S NOTE: Martin’s a hard-hitting winger and plays a style coveted by a number of teams. He shouldn’t have too much difficulty finding a club willing to meet his asking price.
SPORTSNET’s Eric Engels reports the Canadiens have had contact with David Perron, who’s very interested in playing for them.
SPECTOR’S NOTE: Perron has terrific skills but also a lengthy injury history. Unless it’s an affordable one-year deal, the Habs would be best to pass on Perron.
Trouba at $9.3m per and four 1st rounders according to Haggerty. What?!
EDM going to get their top pair Dman for… Benoit Pouliot according to Mattheson. What?!
This is absolute crap.
Agreed on Trouba. Perhaps Haggerty has been self medicating.
I think the report was discussing Edm trading LW Pouliot?
Okay, the whole thing had my brain boggled, Striker.
It’s early Dan. Well at least here on the west coast. I have you living in the eastern time zone.
Haha self medicating
I’d keep my 4 first round picks and draft 4 defensemen – bound to have one of them be at least as good over their career as Trouba will be. No one will want Pouliot – my question is why can’t they just bump Maroon back to the 3rd or 4th line like the banger he is? He put up ok offensive numbers but if you put me with Perry and Getzlaf or with McDavid i’d get the odd goa too…lol
Just throwing this out there, the Bruins can still have 1st round draft picks over the next four years if they acquire other teams’ 1sts for assets that they will most certainly have to move out if this gets done
Can imagine.
I think Chevy would offer to foot the plane ticket himself to get Trouba to Boston. Trouba is still much unproven and I don’t think I need to post all the problems such a deal could cause boston in the near and distant future.
it would be nice to move Pouliot for a 2nd and a decent prospect. Sign Lucic and have your top 3 LW as Lucic RNH Maroon. why not try RNH at LW on the second line with Draisaitl and Puljujarvi? assuming Hall is traded of course.
to Edmonton – Shattenkirk/3rd
to St. Louis – Hall
i think if Lucic does sign in Edmonton the deal is gonna feel sickening at first but it will be worth it to then be able to trade Hall for a dman. maybe 6 years $39M. ($6.5M per). They always have to overpay. if they make this trade they don’t need to spend $5M+ for Demers or trade RNH for Dumba. keeping RNH will be huge as he can fill in at centre on the top 2 lines if guys are injured. Shattenkirk would be worth a longterm deal at $7M per and would pair nicely with Klefbom on the top pairing.
I thought Shattenkirk had said he would only resign with a team from the east. If that is the case, it would be ridiculous to give up Hall in order to simply rent Shattenkirk for a year.
Stamkos will agree to a 7 year deal with MTL estimated at $80 million
11.5 per year
If I’m an NHL team & have my 1st, 2nd & 3rd round picks in 2017 I’m offer sheeting Seth Jones. The interesting thing about RFA offer sheets is the way the clause was modified in the last round of the CBA negotiations. Even though a player can be signed for 7 years for the purposes of determining cap hit all offers that exceed 5 years are divided by 5. Raising the average annual cap hit.
You can read the compensation rules here. Please note this article was posted at the concussion of CBA negotiations in 2013, so monies have increased at the same rate as the cap since then.
http://www.puckmeplease.com/restricted-free-agent-offer-sheets/
So if Boston offered Trouba 7yrs at $47m, / 5 making the annual average salary cap at $9.3m per does that work in the cba? then the contract offer wouldn’t be 7x$9m for $63 (rounding here for discussion)
Only lawyers can think this crap up. Lets use easier math. The metric system just works so much easier, everything is in 10’s instead of 12’s. Ha-ha!
Just for discussion, math purposes, lets say Boston offers Trouba 10 mil per for 7 years. That makes the contract 70 million. What’s odd about this clause is that that 70 million isn’t divided by 7 but 5 for the purposes of cap hit for the entire 7 years. Making the cap hit 14 million per for the duration of the contract.
Now lets look at it possibly based on how Haggerty is potentially reporting it. A 47 million dollar deal, I’m assuming a 7 year deal. 47 divided by 7 is 6,714,286 in salary per season but the cap hit this CBA clause requires would be 9.4 million dollar cap hit per season for the duration of the contract; 47 divided by 5, & Boston would pay the 4 1st rounders required if Winnipeg declined to match?
I can’t see Boston tying up 9.4 million for the next 7 years in cap hit in this cap world & paying 4 1st rounders as well to acquire Trouba. If I; any NHL GM, was bold enough to make such an offer & incur the cost both in picks & cap hit as the salary is potentially bearable Trouba isn’t who I would target. Seth Jones is my target.
Exactly. If in some bizzaro world Sweeney actually slaps this offer, it better be on Seth Jones instead of Jacob Trouba. Don’t get me wrong, I would love either player on my team, but not at that price tag. IF you’re mortgaging the future of the club on one of those two, Seth Jones needs to be the guy
Seth Jones just signed a 6-year deal with Columbus worth $32.4 million – annual average value of $5.4 mil. So much for Trouba being worth $7 mil!
Agreed George he never was worth any where near 7 million. Never mind a cap hit of 9.4 to give up 4 1st rounders. This type of journalism is just wasting everyone’s time.
Factor in Sweeney came out over 2 weeks ago & defined exactly what Boston is looking for in a Dman & Trouba doesn’t have the particular skill set Sweeney said he was looking for. No slight to Trouba.
I hate even having to comment on such BS but what can you do.
Interesting Striker
Thanks for the update George.
FYI – Puljujarvi plays right wing, not left wing.
Does anyone believe Haggerty & his claims?
Not a chance. Although I’d love to have Trouba, that’s way too much to ask for him. Sweeney wasn’t willing to move out two 1sts + a prospect for Shattenkirk, why would he give up the next four 1sts and $9.3mm for a projected #1 who MIGHT not pan out? I believe Trouba does pan out, but it’s the NHL and anything is possible. I remember when Justin Schutlz was the huge FA signing that everyone coveted due to his believe potential and look at where he’s been since. Yes, a cup winner, but he kind of backed into that one
The one constant argument I’ve heard is that the Bruins have 5 1st round picks in their pool from the last two years. Still too much to give up if they are truly rebuilding
been saying for a while this guy just puts stuff out there just to fill up space…..
Absolutely. He brought this up on Twitter last week after a back and forth where I called him out for one of the articles he posted on CSNNE about throwing out an offer sheet to one of those defensemen without realizing it would need to be in the $9.3mm salary cap range
Honestly, as a Canucks fan, I’m kind of hoping for Lucic to sign with the Canucks, but not for 6.5-7 million per. I’d rather take Brouwer at 4-4.5 per, and find a serviceable defenceman (maybe resign Hamhuis?) around the same price. That would improve the Canucks, and still leave cap room for the trade deadline (if they’re in contention for a playoff spot).
Everyone seems to think this is the same Lucic of three years ago. It’s not. As a Canuck fan, I hope he signs in Edmonton.
As a fellow Canucks fan I both empathize and sympathize. Have to say that Benning isn’t doing a lot to generate any confidence. This team seems lost in the wilderness and signing big ticket FA’s is only going to push them to the middle of the non playoff pack.
whats up Nucks fans. i feel Benning is putting together a nice framework for a good team soon. Don’t forget we had like ten top players injured last season. we were basically the utica comets. I think we have a competative team. We will land a BC boy weather its Lucic, brower, or Ladd. maybe add russell. Either way i like the future. I dont really feel Miller but who knows next season. Go Canucks Go!!
Boston wouldn’t pay Hamilton; granted he high price was based on wanting out. But are willing to give Trouba $9m per and 4 first round draft picks; where as Hamilton would’ve just cost money. I don’t see it.
I’ve heard this argument a lot too. Hamilton wanted out, they weren’t paying him regardless of what the ask was. I agree, I don’t see it, but not for the Hamilton argument
Sweeney should be fired if he makes that move.
I hope Lucic stays out west. As a Bruins fan don’t want to play against him.
The silence out of Ottawa is deafening! When I read where Dorion says he doesn’t expect to make a “big splash” in the UFA market, coming on the heels of Melnyk’s sombre “there WEILL be changes” – I suppose we have to conclude that that was confined to firing the coaching staff. anointing Dorion as Murray’s successor (hardly unexpected considering the circumstances), and parting ways with Wiercioch and Chiasson. Now Dorion is saying he “likes his top 6 at F and may pursue a 5/6 $2.7 mil D through trade or the UFA heap. Big whoop for fans who were hoping for something significant so they don’t have to endure yet another season where the “excitement” is confined to trying to catch 8th. Unlike Detroit, they have the cap space but no willingness to spend.
Sorry George. I empathize but as I told you repeatedly status quo in Ottawa. Change is in progress & quite a bit of change has taken place over the last 2 years; Hoffman, Stone, Pageau, Lazar, Paul, Phaneuf in Cowen, Michalek, Greening, Condra, Spezza, etc. out & incremental changes will continue. Ottawa is a good young team & if they could secure a 4/5 & 5/6 real NHL Dman they are a playoff team in a walk. The addition of Phaneuf alone solidifying the top 4 may be enough.
It’s a good time to be an Ottawa fan. The future looks very bright & they are certainly on the rise. All these young players will get better including the 1’s you don’t like, Zibanejad & Lazar who are just scratching the surface & have years of development & growth ahead of them. I really Hope MacArthur can play a full season. That solidifies Ottawa’s top 6, if not this hole needs to be addressed.
You have Chabot as a full time NHLer next season. I would prefer he not be rushed but if he stays in the NHL next season then all you really need is a 4/5 Dman & you will be 1 of the Canadian teams returning to the playoffs next season.
It’s Ottawa’s depth that worries me. They had little response to injury issues. What if MacArthur can’t come back or sustains another concussion. What happens if one of Phaneuf, Karlsson, Methot or Ceci goes down? What happens if we lose Turris or Zbad to injury. If one of Stone or Ryan gets hurt does Ottawa have the depth to shore up the right wing.
Hopefully young guys in the system like Paul, Peumple, White, Chabot, Cleasen etc are soon to make their step to the NHL and can at the very least fill in for injuries.
Ottawa was a possible playoff team last year but injuries, mainly when Turris went down really took their season of the rails.
I’m not looking for big changes in Ottawa but I’d like to see some solid depth added to the roster to take away as much of “chance” as we can and put the game under the teams control as much as possible.
Jeff.
Smith & Pageau really stepped up & for me the biggest reason Ottawa didn’t make the playoffs last season & all your reasons are valid & a part of it but the biggest issue for me was only having 3 NHL quality Dman before acquiring Phaneuf. Getting Phhaneuf was huge & solidify’s the top 4 in Ottawa but Ottawa needs 2 more legitmate top 6 Dman. Ideally a borderline 4/5 guy to move up as injures require as Methot can’t stay healthy for 82 games.
If as George reports, Ottawa is looking for a 5/6 guy that helps if Chabot stays. I would still prefer a 4/5 guy, someone like Hamhuis? Ottawa has significant raises coming for Hoffman & Ceci & with the addition of Phaneuf even though they shipped out almost 12 mil in salary between the monies paid to Cowen, Michalek & Greening last year & this coming season Ottawa is going to be spending significantly more monies in salary this season than last. potentially almost 5 million more & for Ottawa that is significant.
Ottawa is smart financially.
They don’t spend/add vets (unless absolutely needed) until the core team is winning (which they are not)
I think after a solid year this year they will spend next year
Haggerty also said that the Oilers and Lucic have agree on a deal. We’ll know soon enough if he’s right. Or if haggs is throwing things at the wall to see what sticks.
@Caper, teams can`t talk specifics such as term or dollars until the 1st. (tampering) Lucic already said he was full of beans
If rumors are to be believed, happy the Habs are looking active, although, I really don’t want Weise back.
They want Weise, Martin got Shaw, they seem to be going after a lot of grit, they’ll be tougher to play against.
I like Shaw just not for 6 years at 3.9 per. What’s the world coming to where we are paying 3rd line NHLer’s with grit, heart, character what ever you want to call it almost 4 mil per season & for that term? I accept he’s only 24 but seems like a lot of money for this type of asset.
Agreed. Although no NMC/NTC helps
I thought Weise was pretty good as a Canadian. If I was montreal I’d bring him back on the cheap.
“A $9.3 million per season offer sheet could indeed be more than the Jets are willing to match.” No GM in the right state of mind would offer that much for Trouba and no GM in the right state of mind would match it. Even Subban isn’t worth his 9 million dollar cap hit.
Yes but the actual salary would only be 6.7 & change which makes it plausible however unlikely or illogical.
Jones didn’t even get 5.4 and is further along in his development than Trouba so that isn’t happening.
CORRECTION: I meant 5 and a half. He did get 5.4
I fully agree were just discussing Haggerty’s ridiculous journalism.
Haggerty also just said that he “checked with some CBA insiders. $9.3M AAV on 7/49 offer sheet for Trouba would merely be for draft pick comp. Cap hit would be $7M per yr”
HUH? And what is a CBA insider? This goes against everything that’s written in the CBA documentation?
I would say that reduces Boston’s chances even further. The reduced cap hit. Although if I’m Winnipeg I would be happy to have 4 of Boston’s 4 1st round picks than Trouba. As a Bruins fan I don’t want to give up 4 1st rounders for Trouba nor pay him 7 million for 7 years.
See, if it weren’t for the message it sends to the other GM’s and ultimately becoming public enemy #1 for “poaching” another guy’s player, I think I’d do it but it’s a really tough decision to be made. The Bruins can still have 1st round picks in coming drafts, just not their own. Meaning if they traded out other players and were to get a 1st back from another team, they can still pick there
I posted this months back too: Stamkos+Larkin during the Allstar game had instant chemistry. They both play the pivot but the powerplay could be deadly
Larkin hasn’t played C yet in the NHL but long term he will & Detroit is a distinct possibility for Stamkos. Detroit fans can thank Arizona for their generosity.
question..couldn’t the Bruins get together with the jets and get a trade done…wouldn’t it be cheaper in $$$$ & draft picks
Apparently they have tried & it should be significantly cheaper in trade but it takes 2 willing partners to make a trade & Dman like this virtually never move, ever baring extenuating circumstances. I wouldn’t worry. Committing 9.4 million in cap hit, 6.7 & change in salary for Trouba for 7 years would put Boston in serious cap trouble & essentially mean they can’t afford to reup Marchand who is & should be their #1 priority. He & Bergeron are the stick that stirs the drink in Boston.
Re Stamkos, I don’t understand all this talk from various reporters about a sign and trade. I wish they would stop looking so foolish with this absurd idea. It’s just not going to happen. Maybe someone should tell them that Stamkos has a NTC. Besides, he’s in the drivers seat now, why would he allow someone else to drive.
I’m curious what you guys think about Martin in Toronto?
What if the sign & trade is with Stamkos’s consent. He goes to the team he wants to play for at the money agreed to. TB signs him to that deal for 8 years as allowed until midnight June 30th & the team sends TB some form of compensation. Very similar to a team trading his rights for something before July 1st; see Dallas with Goligoski & NYR with Yandle. The difference here is the team acquiring him can get him for 8 years instead of 7 if so inclined. That extra year may secure TB a decent pick or prospect.
Not saying it’s going to happen but makes some sense & is possible.
Really I wonder if Stevie Y signs him and then doesn’t trade him lol even if agreed but changed his mind what can Stamkos do ? nothing lol … If I was a team id call Tampa say ok guys here’s a 2nd round pick trade Stamkos to me and sign him to that 8th year at 9.5 – 10.5 million per … Even if I go over the cap I’d worry about that another time at a later date.. For instance Montreal DD and AM salaries are coming off the books that pays for Stamkos it’s like saying I’ll trade you Markov and Desharnais for Stamkos I think every GM would say OK and pay the plane tickets 1st class lol
I don’t support this scenario nor think it will happen just explaining that it’s possible, an option, 1 of several. Who ever Stamkos signs with he will be getting a NTC, NMC & the majority of his cap salary will be paid in guaranteed bonus money whether the NHL plays games or not. Next CBA negotiations will again lead to lost games but these players with guaranteed bonus monies will be paid regardless.
Teams are required to be cap compliant when they submit their 23 man roster to the NHL the day before the season starts. Players going onto LTIR count as active players & their cap hits count against the cap till opening day. At which point teams can put them on LTIR & use the cap space their contracts provide.
Montreal can exceed the cap by 10% in the off season so they could sign Stamkos but they would have to get cap compliant by some time; not sure if it’s noon, 3PM, 9PM what have you eastern time, on October 11th. It is that day though.
I’m with you on Stamkos. If he signs a contract with TB first, what’s stopping them from just keeping him at that point? Good faith? Call me a pessimist but I wouldnt trust it. I’d rather negotiate and sign with the team I’m interested in playing for, no need to complicate things when he’s in the drivers seat.
Martin would be a good fit, but that would take Toronto out of the Stamkos sweepstakes. And you’re also taking a roster spot from a young player like Hyman or Sosh. They would have to move contracts out the door to facilitate both. If Stamkos goes elsewhere I’m all for it.
I love it! that would be so funny. Yes we’ll sign you for 8yrs and trade you for something. Sorry we missed the deadline, you must stay now or waive your nmc so we can get a better deal. Funny, but would never happen, lose the trust of every player and agent.
I’m sure the contract signed would have a paragraph stating that a trade is required to meet the contract. I’m not sure the legality of this stuff but if the league will allow a sign and trade I see no reason why you can’t place the intent on paper so all parties understand and agree to the circumstance of the deal being made.
On top of that. I sure many three way meetings between the Tampa, Stamko’s agent and the team he is to be traded to will take place so that all the ducks are in a roll and everyone can sign the contract at the same time.
1.yes there would be a clause
2. no player or agent or team would deal with you ever again
3. stamkos would just refuse to report & you would pay for a bench warmer
I think similar things have happened in the past & the was the whole idea of having a player association in the first place
I just don’t see the difference between a sign and trade and just flat out trading his rights. He has a nmc so if he’s waiving his nmc it’s because he already knows he wants to sign with that team, and he’d have a 2 day window to negotiate with them for an 8 year deal, why would Stamkos and the future team bother having TB sign him first?
Plus Stamkos has already had a few days to work out the perimeters of a deal, if trading his rights were to happen it would’ve already happened by now.
The 8 year option expires for all teams including TB at midnight June 30th.
I don’t see Lucic taking a discount for any team. He was a good fit in LA and by all accounts he liked it there, if he was going to take less money he would’ve done it for the Kings. He’s going to the highest bidder.
Indeed Durt. Or if he takes a hometown discount, it will be like the one the Leafs got on Clarkson, $500k off on a deal from hell.
I don’t know the guy, just from watching him play and his abrasive attitude at times. I don’t see him as a guy who will help out an organisation with getting something for himself. Just don’t think it is in his character. He will be going to the highest bidder.
Really good contract by Jarmo extending Seth Jones… 6 years, $5.4mm AAV
The only issue I have with these deals are they make the players UFA’s at such a young age. Jones will be a UFA at 27. That’s crazy. I force 2 or 3 year bridge contracts on all players I hope to retain long term. I want their rights locked up into their early 30’s. I don’t low ball them today. Give Jones 3 years at 5.4. Then sign him to an 8 year deal if his progression continues at market. 7 mil+. That way you keep them in the organization longer.
Wow! I thought he’d get at least 7.
Very good indeed. Takes the offer sheet threat away as I believe it was coming.
CBJ still lots of work to do but this is a start.
The need for a playmaker is bigger then a scorer in Jersey.
Palmieri Boucher Cammelleri and Henrique can score.
Nugent Hopkins can dish the puck.
Eberle would not be a bad fit either.
So Edmonton is hot on Lucic and a few d-men that don’t really serve their needs? Spot on, spot on!
It’s moves like this that make me think they could surge up the standings to 27th or 26th. And possibly fall out of the top 5 in next years draft.
Nyr4life, yeah Lucic is the guy you sign when you are a couple of pieces away, not to avoid the draft lottery. Wow, I can’t believe we agreed on something. Call Ripleys! Lol!
If they Sign Lucic it would be to allow them to stomach adding Hall to a deal for a D better than they currently can acquire. Assuming one is available and I am not sure any top 2 D are actually available in trade I think it is rumour mongers like us who are dreaming it up.
There maybe 2 potentially. Shattenkirk for sure. I think those rumors have merit & possibly Fowler which may or may not have merit. No other Dman being bandied about is a #2 you could argue they are barely top 4’s today. They may have the potential to become #2’s but either to young, or haven’t been given that opportunity for the teams they play for today.
Jones went from #4 in Nashville to Columbus’s #1 upon arrival. At least based on TOI/GP & I know of no other way to really quantify such rankings.
Totally agree NYR4life. Of course they picked up a skilled forward in the draft so that helps…
Styx, it’s pretty much the equivalent of watching a mechanic fix every part on the motor when the car is out of gas! They are dysfunctional to say the least. I think by the time they can actually figure it all out, They will be a cap nightmare team and will be stuck with the Lucics. Sekaras, etc. and having to trade away the Mcdavids and Halls!
I honestly think this organization is treating it’s loyal fans like garbage. Edmonton fans deserve better than this dog and pony show. Every year, more of the same…… Looking forward to the draft.
With all the youth the Leafs have, I find it poosivle we see a second Ducks-Leafs deal. JVR for Fowler would not be a bad return for either side…..
Trouba. …lmao.
Seems like everyone is spit balling at what the Oilers will do. I maintain I move Eberle for what he will fetch and move the Nugent to the Wing. You can never have enough depth down the middle; and if it doesn’t work, you still have enough the asset. Besides, when Kulikov gets moved for a 2nd, I have to ask where the Oilers were….. it makes me question what they are really going to do with the blue line.
Martin in Toronto. Could be interesting, but I doubt it is seen if he is going to get $3 million a year. Sooner make a play for Jamie McGinn at that price point.
I dare say I say this a lot
Kulikov is LD. Edmonton needs a RD. I would surmise they held off on that deal in the hopes of landing a RD. Florida decided that they are not going to wait any longer and pulled the trigger on a deal.
Do you seriously think Kulikov was a good fit on the Oilers. Another Left handed D to add to the 7 or 8 they have already? If the Oilers are bringing in a LD it darn well be some superstar of a player.
JVR isn’t getting you Fowler straight up. Again top 2 Dman don’t move unless the absolutely necessary & the price to acquire such even in extenuating circumstances is very high.
If & I say if, Toronto were willing to move JVR & I don’t believe they are, he would still require a significant draft pick with him to get Murray to give up Folwer.
Murray doesn’t have to trade a Dman. He could simply choose the 8 skater option protecting Bieksa; NMC, Fowler, Lindholm & Vatanen. Exposing Despres & Rackell. Exposing Rackell isn’t ideal but if confronted with that choice that’s the choice I make.
His 4 keepers at forward being Getzlaf, Perry, Kesler & Silfverberg. Gibson in net.
If I’m moving Fowler with 2 years left at 4 million per, I’m only doing so if the offer is to good to refuse, even with 3 solid prospect Dman coming; Theodore, Montour & Larsson, 1 ready now for full time NHL duty in Theodore. Theodore stays down until his spot opens up & if that’s not until later or next year so be it. Injures will happen & he’ll play 30+ game in the NHL if nothing changes, full time if Fowler or another D gets moved. Time will tell.
Rackell is a forward not a dman. They need to try and dump Bieksa and Stoner because they are wastes of roster spots. Then they could afford to keep Lindholm and Vatanan and Fowler. Despres, Manson and Theodore make that one of the best Dcorps in the NHL. I would try and swing a deal with LV to have them take a forward in the expansion draft. The Ducks can afford to trade one of their top 3 dmen if they feel they need an impact forward.
Yes thank you Deeeee. I never said he was a defensemen. I said if Anaheim protected those 4D using the 8 skater option for the expansion draft Anaheim would have to expose Rackell & Despres. The only 2 players they would have to expose of any consequence.
Edmonton is going to be significantly better next season. Not a guaranteed playoff team but if rumors are true & they sign Demers he will help. He slots into the top 4. I still assume that RNH, Eberle, Yakupov & Edmonton’s future draft picks will be in play to get another Dman the best they can acquire, really solidifying their top 6.
If they sign Lucic & Demers as reported, cap space needs to be freed up. Surely RNH, Eberle & picks will have some appeal to Minnesota who has to move at least 1 Dman eventually or Columbus might part with a Dman at some point but they won’t want salary back but picks & prospects, something Edmonton can afford to give up. A 1st & 2nd or maybe even 2 1sts for Savard, depending upon what pick Columbus might send back?
There are still options out there for Edmonton after they spend some UFA dollars & if not Lucic & Demers will make Edm better & they were getting better just through attrition. Youth development especially at D with Nurse & Klefbom just starting their NHL careers.
The pacific is exactly a strong division. There is room for Edmonton to move up and perhaps snatch that playoff spot. Anaheim and LA should be at the top. LA should push for it. Vancouver and Calgary are no more playoff garuanteed than they were last year. There is an opening in that division the Oilers can rise through. Time will tell.
dang it. “isn’t exactly a strong divison”
Although the top 3 teams in the Pacific are all serious cup contenders in Anaheim, Los Angeles & San Jose. It’s the bottom 4 teams that pull the overall strength of the division down especially with Las Vegas joining them in 2017-18.
Arizona & Edmonton are very close to taking serious steps up. Calgary is a bubble team, something just isn’t quite right there, can’t put my finger on it. Yes goaltending was a serious problem but something is out of sinc for me there. Vancouver doesn’t have a hope of making the playoffs even if they sign Eriksson & Lucic. That is 1 of the worst D’s in the NHL. Top 4 of Edler, Tanev, Gubranson & Sbisa or Hutton? I don’t think so.
Vancouver had the worst goal differential in the league last season at minus 52. I don’t see that improving much. All Gubranson brings to the table are hits, he’s not very good defensively. I don’t like Sbisa at all. I do like Hutton; sophomore, & Tanev but like many people not totally happy with Edler as our #1 more a soft #2 solid #3 guy for me.
Who’s going to score & who’s going to stop the other team from scoring? The Canucks secondary scoring is non existent & at 35 the Sedin’s are in decline. The Canucks needed to start a full scale rebuild 2 years ago. The fact that didn’t is hitting them hard in the pocket book. Fans aren’t even remotely happy at least the 1’s that buy tickets & spend the money on Canucks swag.
I think I speak for the fans of the other 15 teams in the East when I say…
Please, please, please sign Jacob Trouba for $9.3 million a year and give up 4 first round picks.
One less contender for a decade.
I don’t think Sweeney is that dumb he did go to Harvard I believe.
Maybe dummy Neely is pushing this dumb idea.
I wonder if the oilers would be interested. In Nathan Beaulieu ? He d be an upgrade b what they have and could be a top 2-3 d men for them .,,, Beaulieu and something for Eberle
Again Nathan beaulieu is a LD. He is a former SeaDog as well so I am a fan but he hasn’t exactly dazzled at the NHL level. He still has growing to do in regards to his game but he is at this point a bottom 4 D man. Just another young LD to throw into the mix amoung all Edmontons not so great LD.
Surprised no talk about the Rangers moving Kevin Klein to make space even though he is a solid 2nd pairing and affordable…
The non Girardi buyout is too loyal for me. He has not looked the same since playing injured in the Cup vs the Kings
That buyout would be 8 years of dead cap space. No thanks on that! I’d rather retain half his cap space in a trade or take a bad contract back. At least it won’t be nearly a decade with dead space.
I’m a Leaf fan and while I was initially all for signing Stammer now that these long terms are being thrown around for 10 mill that kind of makes be re-think things. Stammer at 27 for 10 mill and scoring 30-40 goals seems like a no brainer but Stammer at 34 for 10 mill? I look at Eric Stall and it scares me. I realize he is a Gary Roberts student but that’s still alot of money (probably even in 2023). If all the Marners, Nylanders & Matthews pan out then Toronto could be in the same boat Yzerman is in right now in 4 years. Mind you – Yzerman’s teams have made a Cup final and semi – final in the past two years as well so…
3-4 mill for Martin is too much – the term would be at least 4 years as well – I agree with whoever said McGinn would be a better buy up above…
it makes sense
1. 26 year old super star same age as core leafs
2. leafs have 10-50 million in cap space over 5+ years, with core signed already. By salary end, cap will be up and who wouldn;t want stamkos for 1-2 year playoff run. Even with stamkos/matthews/marner/reilly/nylander getting 10M its still only $50M. Plus it wont happen (lou) & ALL players arent that good
3. the dont have a #1 centre
4. stamkos leadership would be purposeful for kids
5. instant credibility
6. Mathews/Stamkos/JVR(marner) = Playoffs
7. you can’t rebuild forever; the whole point is the cup
Hes coming to Toronto 100% or he wouldn’t have become a UFA bother to be UFA
There is no cap issue. The Stamkos deal would be a 7 year deal – Matthews was just drafted and will sign his ELC this year. Marner signed his ELC this time last year, Nylander the year before. So the Nylander deal will overlap for a year – so what? Matthews and Marner will still be on $5m RFA deals at the time that you re-sign Nylander to big bucks…
A contact I know out of Toronto (media, not the Leafs) told me that there is a strong chance on the Stamkos situation of a sign and trade with the objective of getting that 8th year for the prospective club. I personally am starting to think more and more that he stays put but from what I expect, this one likely goes down to dinner time tomorrow before anything probably happens.
Well the fact that we haven’t heard anything is consistent with the Leafs still being in on this – there are zero leaks out of Lou’s office and that’s a huge departure from Nonis.
Here’s an interesting nugget:
https://www.reddit.com/r/leafs/comments/4qd2l6/mccown_source_the_maple_leafs_have_a_plan_to_give/
Toronto had their presentation today with Stamkos, Shanny took the Mayor of Toronto and the president of Canadian Tire with him.
Does anyone else think Ladd seriously erred not taking Winnipeg’s final offer before being traded? Apparently if rumors are to be believed he was offered 5 years a some where around 5 to 5.5 per. Does he get that as a UFA now?
With regard to Perron, it always amazes me how the media, and not just the sports media, latches on to a claim and keeps running with it and repeating it even if it is not true. Perron had a concussion before the last lockout, 5 or so years ago, and missed a lot of time because of that. Over the three seasons that followed the lockout, he missed a total of 5 games. This past year, he had a shoulder injury but still played 71 games. How is this a “lengthy injury history”?
I love how people keep stating Stamkos is a former 50 & 60 goal scorer. It was only 5 & 7 years ago respectively. He hasn’t scored more than 45 in any other season, achieved once; 6 years ago. Scoring in the NHL is down, what goals & points are being scored is being spread over a larger group of players as teams roll 4 lines far more consistently & ice 2 preset PP units.
I ask you. Is Stamkos 1 of the top 15 players in the game today?
60 goals doesn’t and can’t exist in the game anymore. I think to suggest that he is that type of player is still somewhat understandable in the sense that it implies elite goal production – Stamkos can deliver that and did last season even if the literal definition means something substantially less in recent years.
Besides Ovi who scored 60 or even 50 in the last 5-7 years respectively or the Last 20 years for that matter??
I would say when he is healthy he is top 15 for sure, probably top 5 pure goal scorers in the game.
You are undervaluing him because of the deep team he plays on and the fact they didn’t miss a beat without him.
No I’m just thinking he wouldn’t be 1 of the players I would necessarily select in my top 15 choices; certainly not top 5, nor should he be paid as such. Nor is he, having just signed for 8 years at 68 mil. That’s about where his salary should slot in.
Sorry Toronto fans, next.
my guesses
Stamkos stays in TB
Okposo signs with Buffalo
Lucic signs with Edmonton
Eriksson signs with Vancouver
Nielsen signs with Detroit
Ladd signs with NYI
I’m always a bit puzzled by whole insert Edmonton or TO player here and get a stud return trade suggestions. If I’m a rival GM wouldn’t I look at one of the worst teams in the standings and say wow these guys are an integral part of all that losing? Wouldn’t that hurt their value at least a bit?
For me Eberle is overpaid at 6 mil per so I’m not sure I’d be willing to give up a whole lot for him. Eseentially he’s a little better than .5 pts per game and doesn’t bring a whole lot else to the table. RNH seems like he’s being paid on potential rather than production. A lot of injuries and he’s the third or fourth best option at centre on one of the worst teams in the league. I think Hall definitely has value but not sure he gets you a top 2 dman on his own.
I don’t see Edmonton going after Shattenkirk unless he agrees to resign with them prior to the trade taking place. He’s an expensive asset and not worth Edmonton shelling out for unless they are sure he’ll stay. Chiarelli likely had a chance to address his D at the draft but was seduced by the sickly skilled Fin. His options on D now are not likely to be one’s that immediately fill the teams needs but rather are projects with potential.
Eberle has scored 20 plus goals every season in the NHL but 1. The lock out season scoring 16 in 48 which prorates to well above 20. In his 6 NHL seasons he has scored over 60 points in 3, the other 3 seasons where he didn’t, the lock season; he prorated above 60, his rookie year where he only played 69 games & last season where he was injured & only played 69 games.
Your not even close at .5 pts per game. Career, .623, .974, .770, .813, .778 & .681 for a career average of .779. Even at career averages which are being pulled down by his rookie season & injury season he’s 50% better than your implying.
Eberle is a 25 to 30 goal scorer that can put up 65 to 70 points in a 1st line role. Having just turned 26 even with his defensive flaws he is a 6 million dollar RW just entering his prime & Edm would be smart to keep him, trade RNH, Yakupov & picks to address there need.
If it just isn’t there or the trade doesn’t exist or is simply to expensive bite the bullet & stay the course. No point making a trade solely for the sake of making a trade. If rumors are to be believed, Lucic & Demers signing & nothing else can be achieved do this.
Hall, Draisaitl, Puljujarvi.
Lucic, McDavid, Eberle.
Maroon, RNH, Pouliot.
Hendricks, Letestu, Kassian.
Spare Korpikoski.
Nurse & Sekera. Both lefties so Sekera plays his off side.
Klefbom, Demers.
Daviddson, Fayne.
Oesterle, Reinhart.
This looks like a pretty solid team to me. Pakarinen & Lander would need to be waived as both have waiver rights claimed or sent down. Nurseor reinhart would need to go down for 1 day to stay cap compliant until Ference can be put on LTIR on opening day then return. Edm sneaks in just under the cap doing nothing.
That said I think we can all agree someones moving. Who that is, no idea but even if nothing happens & Edm does in fact sign Lucic & Demers on Friday they can make it work regardless & this group untouched will compete for a playoff spot. When all is said & done they probably miss but who really knows. I don’t.
Indeed Striker, Demers was the Dman I was looking for yesterday. He could be signed to the Niskanen deal and I think it would still be a good signing. Where do you have him coming in?
Yeah but he’s still an integral part of one of the worst teams in hockey. Eberle also gets a lot of ice time and opportunities on the PP. You’ve got him listed as a 2nd line winger in your mock up. Doesn’t 6 mil seem like a lot for a 2nd line winger? Especially one who seems to lack a two way game and doesn’t bring anything physical? He’s also played with guys who are supposed to be elite like Mcdavid, Hall, RNH which should be helping his stats right?
Eberle just doesn’t seem like a 6 million dollar player to me but that of course is just my opinion. I certainly wouldn’t give up a top pairing D man for him. If I’m Minny or the Ducks and have a surplus then maybe I move a d prospect for a player like Eberle.
No I don’t that’s you perception. If you read my comments regularly you’ll see me state constantly that player rankings just aren’t that cut & dry. A #1 winger doesn’t necessarily play on the #1 line. Kessel just about won the Conn Smythe playing with Bonino & Hagelin on the 3rd line. He’s still Pittsburgh’s #1 RW.
You have to select lines, perceive them anyway you wish. This isn’t a depth chart but possible line up combinations. Whicch just changed with hall being traded.
Styx, there’s no doubt that what you say is partly true. I’m a Leaf fan, but I can acknowledge that being part of the Leafs has in recent history reduced perceived player value. It happens with every losing squad.
You only have to look at Kessel. He goes from being considered a waste of space, to playoff MVP candidate overnight. What changed? Nothing, except the team and perceptions because of winning. The reverse effect you see with Chicago players. Ask Habs fans about this in a couple years.
Agreed Dan, of course the situation changed a lot for kessel when he moved to Pitt. He was no longer being game planned for like he was in TO and not facing nearly the same matchups that he did. Teams were more concerned with Malkin and Crosby. Situation can play such a huge roll in the value a player produces. Just ask Buffalo about Matt Molson 🙂
McKenzie saying a deal to send Taylor Hall to NJ is close.
Devils have nothing good to offer, be interested to see the return.
Ray Shero has pulled off some heists in his career, sounds like he’s at it again.
Bob’s reporting it’s done. Just waiting on specifics.
TSN has it red flagged as a pending announcement.
Done deal. I guess the Oilers are getting Lucic….
Wow. Taylor Hall for Adam Larsson
Chiarelli first GM to trade both the #1 & #2 pick in same draft. AND lose horribly on both trades
So after all the cries to trade one of their Core for a D. When Chiarelli finally does it. He is automatically attacked for the deal.
Interesting.
Deservedly so – Larsson can be good but IMO he’s not worthy of Hall – Devil’s 1st coming back? There’s gotta be something else…
Oh there is more to be announced it is a package built around Larson.
Just find it interesting that people have been complaining that Chiarelli hasn’t done anything. That all these Left handed Dmen have been traded and why hasn’t he done anything. All the top 2 D supposedly available and why hasn’t he done anything?
Turns out there really isn’t many RD top 2 D or Top 2 D available and the trade is hard to come by.
So now that he has pulled the trigger on likely the best deal available I think it be funny for people to start saying he should never of made that deal.
I accept the cost, the only way to acquire this type of asset at D. Edm is a better team with Larsson than Hall. Especially after they sign Lucic.
It’s been reported and confirmed as a one for one swap. I’m not attacking the deal, I’m simply stating that Chiarelli lost on both the Seguin and Hall deal because he did. Larsson is a good and could be great young defenseman. I would have like him on my team. In order for Edmonton to get their defenseman they were going to have to lose the trade. I have no problems with what they did, it fills a need for both teams, however NJ comes out on top
I do feel for Larsson though. He is going to a hot bed market where he is going to be expected to put that franchise on his back defensively to turn the corner and will always be the guy they traded Taylor Hall for
Yeah my bad. I swear I saw TSN post it as a package around Larson to be announced. Maybe I am mistaken or maybe they assumed like many us there had to be more than Larson alone so posted it like that.
No worries. Other execs have come out saying that they had better packages in place to land Hall. Interesting
That’s what #1 or 2 Dman cost. Trade has been finalized, 1 for 1. Larsson played as NJ’s #2 last season & saw no power play time. At 23 he certainly meets the criteria Edm requires. He is a #2 now & has offense abilities NJ hasn’t utilized except briefly at certain times.
This reinforces my opinion of what it costs to buy these types of assets. No harder position to fill. Way easier to acquire a stud LW than even a solid #2 Dman especially 1 signed for 5 more years at slightly more than 4 mil per that just turned 24.
Will need time to ponder this & reflect. Ouch is 1st thought.
Is it final. they originally announced it as a package. OK my mistake.
What a great deal… for New Jersey. Unless there are more details to emerge this was lopsided by any metric. Hall is already a proven top line scoring winger with a manageable contract. Larsson has been slow to develop and has not reached anywhere near his predicted ability. Perhaps other teams knew pressure was on Edmonton to give up a forward and therefor they dealt from a position of weakness.
I think that’s just a bit harsh – Larsson only has 274 games of NHL experience. I think it’s fair to give him another season or two to develop further and then assess.
Jake Gardiner for instance crossed through 300 this last season and he is credited as having taken a significant step forward. Morgan Rielly will do so in this coming season and clearly at the Worlds he looked like a potential top Dman of the future.
It seems like a lopsided deal, but I’m not so sure in a few years. Scoring wingers develop so much more quickly.
Adam Larson has to be a part of this. Should be interesting what the Oilers do next. Wonder if they move RNH for a winger on the left or sign Lucic. If they sign Lucic perhaps they trade RNH for more help on the back end. Or perhaps they go with three quality Centres and see how the pan out as Draistle settles in the league then decide who to move.
Moving Hall though is a move I didn’t want to see happen. Yet the draft this year changed that thought process it seems.
And I will say it again.
Edmonton needed a RD. Adam Larson is RD. Now you know why they never made a trade for all those LD.
Fair enough… but if they traded him just because he is right shooting, then where are the rest of the assets to even up the trade.
Just heard this too. I have to think that Larson isn’t enough to pull in Hall. I guess we have been overvaluing him here?
Or undervaluing Larson?
I’m a Bruins fan and think this is another bad Chiarelli trade.
Hall is just getting to his prime. Lucic while very good and physical is also slow and invisible at times.
If this is true.
I think we all agree the team who got the better player is New Jersey. Dang that was a high price to pay for getting that RD. Larson is signed for 5 more years at reasonable dollars I believe. So we can pretty much declare this trade a win for New Jersey.
I wonder if Chiarelli caved under the pressure to do something with his core. I don’t think I would of pulled the trigger on this trade. Yet Larson will round out the Oilers backend nicely. Larson was once highly praised but that praise has lessoned considerably the last couple of years. Hopefully on Edmonton he reaches the potential many thought he reach when drafted.
In the end it shows us all the cost of Quality defensemen in this league.
I’m with you all on the winner of this deal.
Now to determine if the Oilers are a better team with Larson added and Hall subtracted. What do you all think?
Although not confirmed, I think we could all agree that this trade essentially turns into a Hall for Larsson & Lucic once Friday comes around. For everyone that shot down the Lucic deal all but done in Edmonton because he said BS to it, I think we all got our answer today. He had to say BS because by rules, contracts aren’t allowed to be talked about until Friday
Once you had Lucic into the return for Hall, it isn’t as bad from the Edmonton side. Hall is probably the second best LW in the game however, but those players are a lot more readily available than a #2 possible #1 RD. First reaction, huge loss. Look at it deeper, it’s the price you pay to make the team more whole. Any trade Chiarelli was going to take for Hall would have been at a loss
Bobby Mac is saying Stamkos is staying Tampa
I’m not surprised by that. Kinda relieved if it does cause I don’t want division rival Detroit to get em. lol.
I am a little shocked, why wait all year just to stay. But I guess the idea that Tampa is close to winning the cup was probably the deciding factor.
Subban Traded for Weber
Wow PK,Stamkos,Hall
Fast news moving
PK and Weber swapped
Stamkos staying in Tampa
Now I’m hearing P.K. Subban for Shea Weber????
Subban being moved is something that would absolutely surprise me. Specially after the 10 million dollar donation to the childrens hospital.
Confirmed apparently
Stunning.
I wonder if PC was in on Weber or Subban and thats why the Larsson deal ..
wtf is happening???
Subban for Weber might be the worst trade in history, and as a Bruins fan I completely accept it
Worst for whom? There both solid D. Weber far more sound defensively. Both have offensive production.
Weber is 30, already deteriorating, and has 10 more years left on his $7.857mm contract that he probably won’t see the end of
This may be a money saving deal for Nashville. As 2 very similar assets, Weber has a more complete game but older. Capfreindly, NHLnumbers.com & Generalfanager are all down. When’s Weber’s bonus paid, July 1st?
Yes, and I believe it dropped to $8M for this year and next
Holy crap
Subban for Weber
Hall for Larsson
Stamkos staying ?
Ok Sweeney I hope you’re calling Nashville right now about PK.
You know Montreal wasn’t sending him to Boston.
More things could be happening.
Stamkos could be a sign and trade.
Stamkos supposedly signed the 8.5/8yr deal because it was the best deal for him. Can`t see it as a sign and trade, but, the way the days gone. The fans in Edmonton sure don`t sound happy with the T. Hall trade listening to the call ins. Don`t think Chiarelli`s gonna last long in Edmonton, especially if they get off to a slow start in Oct. Ugly
Full NMC in the contract so don’t see a sign and trade
It will be a tough summer of Oiler fans as they try and digest this.
Only thing the Oilers can do now is win. They better start winning soon.
Stamkos signed for the 8.5 mill that Tampa was originally offering so that takes him off the table for FA’s. I HIGHLY doubt it was a sign and trade dead especially given the amount.
Too bad for my Red Wings….(sad face)
Guess that leave a few others of interest such as Brouwer, Okposso, Backes, and Hamuis.
Nice work Stevie Y. Now you just need to dump Bishop’s contract or let him walk as a UFA if need be & cap problems solved. Stamkos at 8.5 is perfect. Exactly where his contract should fit in based on his abilities to those his peers & their contracts. The fact it’s in Florida makes it far more valuable in after tax dollars. I wanted Stamkos moved if his salary demands exceeded 9 per. I guess no 1 else blew his doors off with really stupid money that justified his moving.
Yzerman never budged off his original offer. Have to love Steve Y. Well done.
Swing & a miss Toronto fans. I guess now we have to listen to Tavares BS until he’s resigned in NYI.
Or your bs about how Subban, Webber, Hall will not be tradeded? Ya things like that never happen… lol take it easy professor, some Leaf fans are not the only ones with some egg on their face, and there was quite a few of us who were hopinghe would sign somewhere else.
Lyle and striker both declared Subban will not get traded. I guess that’s why they are bloggers not considered insiders
Never professed to be an insider, scott. I merely offer up my opinions on the rumors of the day. Most times, I’m right. Sometimes, like with Subban, I’m wrong. It happens.
Somehow Lyle I don’t think those who like to keep score on these things will understand what you just said. I was with you the whole way.
Do you mind Sharing your biased Hab fan feelings about the trade. How as a fan do judge the PK trade?
As a Habs fan, this trade sucks. There was no reason to make this deal other than Bergevin and Therrien didn’t like Subban’s style of play and flamboyance. I think they prefer their players to be quiet little worker bees. Weber’s a declining asset coming to a team where he won’t have the same level of blueline support as he had in Nashville. Yes, he’s still a very good defenseman, but you’d be hard-pressed to find a hockey expert who believes this is a fair deal. Little wonder David Poile couldn’t contain his glee at his press conference while Bergevin was defensive at his. Poile fleeced Bergevin and the Canadiens will pay the price, just as they did when Houle made the Roy trade over 20 years ago. Bad deal.
Maybe Leaf fans can DREAM about Hedman for next year as a coup d’état ! I can honestly say that – would be a major deal of the century! Dream on…I’m awake now!
Respect to Steven Stamkos for staying with Tampa as a lifer!! It is the most sensible decision on his part and much respect for that.. From a leaf fan!
Let the sign and trade poo poo start…….Now….
I’d love to here from both Nashville and Montreal fans on the trade. Who is the winner? My take Montreal is the winner today, 5 years from now, I think Nashville may be the winner.