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Updates on Hartnell, Eriksson, Barrie, Hanzal and Brown
The Columbus Blue Jackets will try again to move Scott Hartnell.
SPORTSNET: Elliotte Friedman reports Columbus Blue Jackets left wing Scott Hartnell has agreed to waive his no-movement clause for a decent-sized list of team. The Jackets tried unsuccessfully to move Hartnell before the trade deadline but the asking price was high. Hartnell is 34 and has three years left on his contract, which could be of concern to potential suitors.
SPECTOR’S NOTE: I believe there will be interest in Hartnell. However, the Blue Jackets might have to pick up part of his $4.75 million annual cap hit through 2018-19 or take back another contract.
The Boston Bruins and pending UFA winger Loui Eriksson will make a final attempt at working out a deal.
Friedman wonders if the Colorado Avalanche would move Tyson Barrie without first getting some defensive help. He claims the Avs are hot for Winnipeg Jets blueliner Jacob Trouba but that’s easier said than done. The Detroit Red Wings could also be interested in Trouba.
SPECTOR’S NOTE: Unless Trouba’s situation become a repeat of the Dougie Hamilton story last summer (trade demand plus rumors of an offer sheet), I don’t see the Jets shipping him out. He’s completing an entry-level contract and lacks arbitration rights. He also reportedly keen to re-sign with the Jets.
If the Arizona Coyotes trade center Martin Hanzal for a defenseman, they’ll be in the market to replace him. They’ve asked for his trade list, but are also interested in working out a contract extension. Hanzal is eligible next summer for UFA status.
The acquisition of Marc Savard’s contract from the Florida Panthers removes the New Jersey Devils as a destination for Pavel Datsyuk’s contract if the Detroit Red Wings try to trade it later this month. Friedman suggests the Coyotes and Carolina Hurricanes as two likely destinations. Removing Savard’s cap hit also clears cap room to re-sign Vincent Trocheck. Even if New Jersey hits the ceiling, it will have almost $9M in injury relief with Ryane Clowe and Savard.
SPECTOR’S NOTE: The Panthers could also use the cap savings to re-sign Reilly Smith and pending UFA blueliner Brian Campbell.
Among the new details seeping out regarding an expansion draft: “While the new team(s) can trade anyone taken, none of the players can go back to their previous club until January 1. There will also be no buyouts of anyone selected until after the first expansion season. Finally, there will be a guaranteed spot in the draft lottery for four years.”
SPECTOR’S NOTE: According to James Mirtle of The Globe and Mail, teams cannot reacquire players they trade from Jan 1, 2017 to Jan. 1, 2018.
Friedman wonders if the expansion draft could be a long-term solution for the Los Angeles Kings and Dustin Brown. He believes “an expansion team in Vegas could be the right fit, assuming the Kings provide it with proper incentives.”
SPECTOR’S NOTE: The only incentive I think they can offer is picking up part of Brown’s $5.875 million annual cap hit through 2021-22 and maybe tossing a draft pick or prospect into the deal.
Goalie trade candidates, updates on Shattenkirk and more.
OTTAWA SUN: Bruce Garrioch reports talk of potential NHL expansion next summer is prompting speculation there could be a flood of trades during the upcoming NHL draft (June 24-25). The biggest moves could be goaltenders as teams can only protect one in the expansion draft. Possibilities could include Ben Bishop of the Tampa Bay Lightning, Frederick Andersen of the Anaheim Ducks and Marc-Andre Fleury of the Pittsburgh Penguins.
SPECTOR’S NOTE: If there isn’t an expansion draft, I think Bishop, Andersen and Fleury could be trade bait this summer. All are being challenged for the starter’s role with their respective teams by younger goalies. The Lighting could face shedding salary this summer if they re-sign Steven Stamkos, Nikita Kucherov and Alex Killorn. Andersen is a restricted free agent this summer but he could prove too expensive for the budget-conscious Ducks to re-sign. Meanwhile, the Penguins are squeezed for cap space and must free up some room.
Garrioch wonders if the Florida Panthers are listening to offers for defenseman Dmitry Kulikov.
SPECTOR’S NOTE: Having moved out Erik Gudbranson and facing the possible departure of Brian Campbell to free agency, the Panthers could be unwilling to trade another defenseman.
Teams could express interest in Columbus Blue Jackets winger and captain Nick Foligno. The Jackets are also trying to move left wing Scott Hartnell.
SPECTOR’S NOTE: I think the Jackets prefer to retain Foligno, but it doesn’t hurt to listen to offers.
There’s talk teams are calling the Edmonton Oilers regarding forwards Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Taylor Hall and Jordan Eberle, Seven or eight teams are believed in the market this summer for top-six forwards.
The Boston Bruins, Edmonton Oilers, Buffalo Sabres and Arizona Coyotes could be among six or seven teams believed to have spoken to the St. Louis Blues regarding defenseman Kevin Shattenkirk.
Yesterday’s expansion draft announcement removed the 8 plus 1 protection option. That means that teams can only protect a maximum of 3 defensemen. Hence Winnipeg will be forced to choose between trading Meyers or Trouba. And whatever the return it can’t be a roster defensemen with more than 2 years pro experience.
Barrie for Trouba therefore doesn’t make sense. If the Avs want trouba they’ll have to pay in picks prospects or roster forwards. Unless there’s a 3 way trade.
I asked Lyle yesterday if he could provide clarity on this issue. Until the NHL comes out & makes a formal announcement we won’t really know. They had some time ago provided a basic outline but have already moved away from some of those; the 25% salary having to be exposed. The info leaking out now didn’t reference the 8 skater option. Should the NHL & NHLPA go solely with 7F, 3D & 1 skater we will see even more trades this summer than already anticipated.
I can’t see a team letting a player of this quality; Trouba, be lost in expansion unless a serious cup contender, even then I could see such a team move these types of assets before the expansion draft for something. I think Winnipeg would work hard to convince Enstrom to waive his NMC & eat significant salary to move him. If Unable then they would trade Myers or Trouba before losing 1 for nothing. Thankfully we only have 11 days to go until the NHL releases the expansion rules.
MST, this isn’t directed to you but anyone. Has there been a formal expansion draft announcement as it relates to these new rules just related. NHL.com the official NHL site has nothing posted. The info you can source is vague.
My understanding is that what was announced the other day constitutes all the rules as they will be. The NHL executice commitee had to announce the rules to the teams now before they are asked to vote. The teams need time to digest these rules prior to the expansion vote or they won’t be able to vote in an informed way. The league isn’t going to announce the rules on their website until the draft is official. But they still need to tell the owners what they will be and that information is what was leaked yesterday. The executive committee isn’t set to meet again so the rules can’t change between now and the vote anyway.
It’s possible that there were other details not released to the public that were told to the teams but why would that have been withheld? It makes no sense.
Nothing has been official posted any where. NHL.com, TSN, ESPN, CBS, etc. If you search it on google, yahoo, etc it’s all from secondary sources nothing from the NHL really.
We have already seen minor changes from what was announced initially.
By no means am I implying your wrong. I’m just saying it’s not clear & until the NHL makes it all official we really don’t have a clue.
I’m curious as to why the NHL may have potentially changed the 2 protection options they originally announced. It also shocks me that were over 2 years from when I started getting reports about expansion from numerous sources interviewed on the NHL network on sat radio & regular broadcast mediums about the rumblings it was coming & the anticipated time lines.
Over 2 years later & the NHL looks like they are trying to figure out the rules on the fly & appear clueless. Does it really take lawyers, agents, the NHL & the NHLPA this long to figure out something that really shouldn’t be all that difficult & should benefit all. Greed & stupidity are alive & well.
I hear you MST & I agree for the most part. The Board of Governors need information in order to vote & need a full set of rules & guidelines. Where my opinion differs is what is or isn’t being accurately reported & with the NHL nothing is ever carved in stone. The NHL has been flip flopping around on rules & standards for decades, consistency isn’t their strong suit, they don’t even enforce the rules they have agreed to all the time.
Brett Hull scored the game winning goal for Dallas to win the cup standing in the crease when that goal was called off all year so until the NHL sends out the full set of rules & guidelines via memorandum, news release what have you nothing is guaranteed or known.
When the 30 Governors sit down to cast their vote after each getting an opportunity to speak; Robert’s rules, it’s very possible some negotiations or changes will be made for Bettman to sell the majority needed to approve expansion.
Bishop and Fleury’s respective no trade clauses will make trading either difficult.
In Bishops case it’s no big deal for Tampa because they can still protect vasilevski. In Fleury’s case Pittsburgh is screwed if Fleury doesn’t play ball.
Calvin Pickard and malcom subban will also be on the traditional get block. As these goalies get traded new ones will be at risk of being claimed in expansion which will further drive down prices. The market for goalies will be flooded this off season.
Fleury has a modified NTC where he can name 12 teams he will not accept a trade to. That leaves 18 teams he has no choice but be traded to or he can waive his NTC if a team talks him into it. A team like Dalas would not be on Fleury’s no fly list and would be very easy to work out a deal with Niemi going back to Pittsburgh. Niemi has 2 years left on his current contract which would make him an expensive backup this year and fodder for the expansion draft and if not selected a buy out candadate for the final year. The situation is far from dire and could very easily earn the Penguins a valuable asset or 2 in the process.
You’re assuming Fleury wants to be dealt to Dallas. If he doesn’t want to move he would block Dallas for sure. You’re also assuming that Dallas wants Fleury and not Bishop or any of the other 6-8 good goalies that will be available one way or another.
Fleury might want a trade if he thought he was going to lose his starters job but he knows that by making it as difficult as possible for Pittsburgh to trade him he will force management’s hand and they’ll have to trade Murray, giving Fleury back the starters job.
Besides it makes way more sense to trade Murray than Fleury if your Pittsburgh. If you’re Calgary or Arizona what’s more valuable the 6th or 7th overall pick or a stud young goalie on an ELC like Murray? If you’re the leafs wouldn’t you rather have Murray than say Kapanen and Pittsburgh’s 1st?
Pittsburgh can get a very nice haul for Murray now, and still have Fleury for the next few years until Tristan Jarry is ready to take over the number 1 spot. And many in Pittsburgh think Jarry might even be better than Murray.
My opinion is that Murray is far more likely to be dealt than Fleury.
mst… Rutherford has called Murray the best goalie outside the nhl… before he took them to the finals. MAF is the one either moved, bought out, etc. Pitt 1st and Kapanen!?!? not even close value.
Chrism.
Of course he’s the best goalie outside the NHL. That’s not even saying much. If Murray was going back in the draft he’d probably go 1st or second. Which is why Pittsburgh would trade him to Calgary or Arizona and why they would make that trade. Even if those two would rather keep their picks and go with someone like Pickard instead, the Leafs would be right behind with a nice package too (whatever that may be).
Why would Pittsburgh buyout a perfectly good goalie and carry the extra a cap hit for 6 years when they could keep an excellent goalie in MAF, draft a top flight player like Chychurn or Nylander Joulevi etc.. and still have Jarry waiting in the wings to take over from MAF when he starts to decline?
Because they seem committed to Murray. And he would go top 4 in this years draft so why would trade him or anything less? Having the cap hit for several years would suck but if it guarantees they hold on their guy it is a doable situation. MAF is in his prime now (not based on age but on recent performance) but the pens would have much longer, cost effective control with Murray. and Jarry may or may not play out… you go th the known young commodity over the unknown young commodity everytime.
Fleurys contract states he can list 18 teams he will accept a trade to. ( Cap friendly )
He can be moved easily.He cannot force Pitts into keeping him.
MST, are you on lsd? No way the Penguins trade Murray. The challenges they have had with playoff goaltending in recent years and the emergence of an excellent goalie on ELC contract for them is a no brainer. Fleury is as good as gone or will remain as backup for now.
Snapshot.
The reason they’d trade is because they won’t get more than a 6the or 7th overall and the cost of not trading Murray is way more than the differential between what he’s worth ( a 3rd or 4th ov) and what they could get for Murray a 6th or 7th.
Good news for the Calgarys and Torontos of the league, not so much for guys like Reimer.
MST.
You may well be right. Fleury could structure his 18 team trade list in such away to reduce his appeal in trade as none of those 18 teams he would accept a trade to may need or want a goalie. Bishop may just refuse to waive his NMC, he will be a UFA regardless following next season & if rumors of his salary demands are to be believed TB may have no choice but to expose him & let him walk. I’m not paying Bishop Lunqvist money. I’m not paying any goalie Lundqvist money ideally including Lundqvist.
Numerous players have been moved with NTC’s & NMC’s as the situation they were in is no longer appealing. Will Fleury want to stay in Pittsburgh if forced to be the back up if a team that wants him as their #1 isn’t on his approved list?
3 teams need a #1 goalie now for sure. Toronto, Calgary & Carolina. Several others need an upgrade from their current #1 as there are question marks, Buf, Dal & NYI. Others have goalies who’s injury problems are causing issues but current contracts are problematic, Arz, Col & Clb. A bunch of teams need back ups.
It’s certainly a buyers market. Really only 3 teams in need of a #1 & with Andersen, Bishop, Fleury, Howard & others most likely available & Reimer & Ward UFA’s supply & demand has to come into play some how.
Yeah… goalie market I flooded. Good number ones available for pennies on the dollar.
Like you said Fleury could make his list unfavourable to a trade and this would either force Pens to trade Murray. Fleury the #1 guy in Pits again. I can’t see Fleury doing this and if Pens look to move him I think he will be accommodating.
Dal is a good fit imo. I’d like to see him Cgy.
Pittburgh can by him out worst case scenario I they are absolutely sold on murray. I don’t doubt they can work with him on arade to a place he hasnt lost his starting job.
I think Pens should move Murray for a better return and keep Fleury. They need some grade A forward prospects in the system.
Why would pitts want to kee maf after his recentplayoff chokes hes not a money goalie and pitts knows that
Mst: the Winnipeg Jets, could also trade Enstrom and obtain all of Byfuglien, Myers, and Trouba.
Easier said than done with Enstrom imo.
I seriously doubt that many teams have much interest in Enstrom.
It all comes down to money & cost to acquire.
Enstrom would be a great fit for a ton of teams. He’s a left handed shot & would be a great fit in Buffalo. They need type of skills Enstrom could provide.
Winnipeg would need to eat a 1.2 to 1.5 per season through the remainder of his contract to facilitate a trade & expect little back in return, a 2nd round pick; Minnesota’s in 2017, & a B grade prospect.
Enstrom’s role in Winnipeg has completely changed over the last 3 seasons. He want from being the #2 PP D option behind Buf to virtually an after thought last season. In 2013-14 he was 2nd in Winnipeg for PP TOI/GP, 2014-15 5th & last season 11th. Dman that don’t see decent PP time don’t put up points. He still logged solid minutes on Winnipeg’s 2nd pairing logging 20:51 TOI/GP, 12 seconds less per game on average than Trouba.
If I’m playing in Winnipeg & offered the opportunity to leave & can control the destination with my NMC I’m willing to entertain moving.
You may be right Striker. Why wouldn’t anyone jump at the chance to be traded away from Winnipeg?
But you’re assuming that other teams will want Enstrom. Remember any team trading for him will have to be able to protect him. Of all the defensemen that will need to be traded to avoid expansion exposure is Enstrom among the best options? I doubt that.
I definitely don’t think Buffalo is a good fit, and why would Enstrom waive his nmc to go there?
It was just an example. As has been shown numerous times now, Clarkson, Horton, Savard not once but twice, Pronger etc anyone can be moved.
Buffalo won’t trade for a Dman or sign 1 as a UFA period if the 8 skater rule has been eliminated & only the 7f, 3D & 1 G option is on the table. They already have 3 keeper at D in Ristolainen, Bogosian & McCabe.
If the 8 skater option has been eliminated a number of teams are in serious trouble & face losing a significant asset at D. This issue alone could seriously impede the NHL’s wish to expand & put numerous teams on the no side of the ledger.
I agree that Enstrom is the best d-man for the Jets to move. But I think Shticky and Gary are right in saying that Enstrom would be hard to move. He has a nmc and an unfavorable contract. I think it is most likely hat gets bought out after next season. However, I think a trade of Enstrom, Trouba and Chicago’s ’16 1st for Datsyuk, Smith and Detroit’s ’16 and ’17 1sts would solve more problems than it would create for both teams.
Sabres need a left handed defenseman, which eliminates Shattenkirk from their shopping list. Don’t be surprised in BUF opts for a veteran defenseman this season, giving Jake McCabe another year to grow and maybe move him into the #2 spot, #3/4 after next season.
I know that some folks on here, including other Penguin fans, will say I’m crazy. But I like a Maatta, Duck’s ’16 2nd and Pen’s ’16 2nd for Pysyk, Sabre’s ’17 1st, Wild’s ’17 2nd and Capital’s ’17 3rd. It better balances left shot/right shot for both defences. It gives Buffalo even more ’16 draft picks to please the home crowd. If they did it on the opening day of the draft then all the better. Maatta would be comfortable playing beside Ristolainen and under Bylsma. and it gives the Pens assets for potential trades at the next deadline to bolster the roster for another playoff run. And, in response to Strikers post above, I think McCabe would be exempt from an expansion draft. But that depends on how two years as a professional is defined.
Oh, and the Pens get cap relief.
good imagination Cliff – I would like to see a major deal in BUF at the draft, get the fans stoked. Just like the pens did when they had the draft.
I’d be reluctant to move BUF 1st in 17. As a rebuilding team that pick could end up to be a very high pick. Most likely a lottery pick.
I too think BUF should do something on draft day and I hope GMTM does.
Yankee’s fan, There are a lot of ways around that scenario. For example, they could make the Sabre’s ’17 1st a conditional pick. If the pick winds up being 1st, 2nd or 3rd overall then the Penguins get the Sabre’s ’17 2nd in lieu of the Capital’s ’17 3rd and then get the Sabre’s ’18 1st.
If Buffalo needs a LHD they can gave Jay Bouwmeister. Any interest from Buffalo?
If Buffalo needs a LHD they can have Jay Bouwmeister. Any interest from Buffalo?
There should be numerous teams in the NHL that would find the assets Hartnell brings to the ice appealing. He has a cap hit is 4.75 for 3 more years but he’s only owed 12.5 over the final 3 years of his contract bringing the real dollars very close to 4 per; 4.16, & he doesn’t turn 37 until April 18 right at the end of his final season.
His game isn’t built on speed specificly & I can’t see him changing much over that time frame if given the same opportunities he is given now. 20 to 25 goals & 45 to 50 points. Perhaps Columbus needs to eat a nominal amount of his salary but the bigger issue may simply be Columbus has been demanding to much in return as Freidman suggests. With expansion looming & those NMC’s on Columbus’s books that price will be dropping fast.
I get concerned about grinders when they get into their mid-30’s. Someday, the day will run out and you will be stuck with well-paid player out of gas. I am not questioning his heart, but the rest of the body sometimes overrules the heart. Father time, just like Ali said after losing to Trevor.
I don’t disagree but age for some players doesn’t bother me & I’m comfortable that Hartnell will still be solid. There will be some decline that’s why I ranged his goals & points. The biggest factor will be quantity & quality of minutes if he goes from his current role to 3rd liner & little PP time that’s a serious problem. Expansion is going to buy this type of player a few years.
If thier game is built of speed or a speed that makes them effective & they start slowing down then I’m very concerned. Eric Staal is a good example. He was never a burner but a good skater, now he can’t do the things he used to as he’s lost what little speed he had & his time & space now doesn’t allow him to do what he used to do.
It’s a shame to see where Eric Staal’s game has gone. The guy is only 31 and he was never a banger.
As for Hartnell, I just don’t know where he would fit on a contending team with his cap/salary. That’s an awful lot to pay a 3rd line winger for 3 more years.
Hartnell hasn’t played as a 3rd line winger for years. Was Philly’s #1 when nmoved to Columbus & has played as the #1 or 2 since arriving there.
Yeah I know, but I really think he would be pushed hard to be a top 6 forward on a contending team. That’s just my opinion.
Hartnell would be a perfect type of winger for mtl. MTL could offer a Desharnais (UFA, 2017) or Eller (UFA, 2018) for Hartnell.
Numerous teams could use what Hartnell brings to the rink. It’s to bad he can’t better control his emotions & stop taking so many bad penalties. His emotions often kick in before his brain & occasionally these penalties cost his team the game. Drives coaches crazy when players take bad penalties.
Hartnell could b a good pick for Mtl. With Lars Eller playing 2/3 line LW and 3C, I could see him being part of the trade but would rather see him moved to Edm for yak. If Deharnais can bring in Hartnell great but is the slight cap relief enough for CLB to pull the trigger?
Mtl top 2 lines could look smething like this…
Max Galchenyuk Gally
hartnell Pleks Yak
This would be a plan B or C, if Habs can’t bring in a higher end top six option.
4 years guarantee in lottery? what if they pull a Panthers and make it the conference finals or finals?
I’ve never seen my comments await moderation before. Was something I said?
I put my email in wrong, that’s why…
It happens. Not sure why.
Word around the Twittersphere this morning is that the Bruins and Eriksson are all but finished in negotiations and are actively looking to trade his rights. Of course, a last ditch effort could suffice and Eriksson resigns with the Bruins but looks like a very low % chance that occurs. I’d say more likely than not Bruins will be moving his rights in the next couple of weeks.
Works for me. I like Eriksson but not at 6 per for 4 years. Spend the savings to extend Marchand, help cover the cost of a Dman & promote from with in, keeping the cap space & expansion protection slot open for another potential asset down the road when teams are desperate to move a player or players or be confronted with losing them for nothing & the cost far lower.
I second that, hands down… won’t hear any complaining from me if the Bruins follow that plan.
1. Extend Marchand (100% get it down this offseason)
2. Sign a defenseman
3. Promote from within
4. Maybe execute a trade
5. Keep some space open for the inevitable…
I think you might see some of the core start to get moved by boston and adding prospects and picks. cant see them going after many fa the young guys they have now arent spectacular time to restock the cupboards
sweeny has made some very questionable pick and moves cant see him lasting very long in beantown
I’m not certain taking on Savard’s contract precludes NJ from taking on Datsyuk’s contract if motivated to do so with the proper incentive. NJ’s roster is a bit of a mess currently. 8 forwards signed at $26,088,929 2 of which are Clowe & Savard. They have 5 RFA’s, Palmieri, Smith-Pelly, Boucher, Kalin & Josefson. Other than Palmieri none are going to see much in raise & most will have to accept their qualifying offers. Smith-Pelly & Kalinin have arbitration rights but that’s not getting them much of a raise if any.
The D situation isn’t much better. 4 D signed at 11,439,167. Merril an RFA again not garnering a significant raise coming out of his ELC having shown little so far.
What a waste of 1 of the best goalies in the NHL in Schneider. He gives NJ a chance to win every game & with Kinkaid they are set in net at a hit of 6.725 combined. That gives NJ 14 players signed at 45,053,457. The 6 RFA’s that will all be re upped with the possible exception of Kalinin get NJ to 20 players under contract; really 18 as Clowe & Savard won’t play, needing to add 5 players.
Even before getting to place Clowe & Savard on LTIR the opening day of the season; injured players count against the cap as part of your 23 man roster submitted to the NHL the night prior to the start of the season, NJ could probably take on Datsyuk’s cap hit with a cap in or around 72 million & if to tight, NJ could simply flip a player like Clowe back to Detroit to make it work taking nominally less compensation in return for balancing out cap hits to each respective team.
Why would Detroit ever want to take Clowe back when dealing Datsyuk’s contract? Clowe’s contract ends in 2018 while Datsyuk is just one year. No point in even making a deal for the Wings if they have to take a garbage contract back (for longer on top of it) as it wouldn’t even give them much cap room anyways. Before you talk about LTIR, the Wings are already stuck with Franzen for that and I doubt they want more of it. Might as well just take the hit for one season, clear out as much dead weight as you can and keep trying to rebuild on the fly.
Surprised we haven’t heard any more Kerby Rychel rumors.
Tell us what we don’t already know captain obvious!
Was simply commenting on reports that NJ trading for Savard takes them out as a potential detination for Datsyuk.
It’s not obvious to those reproting such apparently. The #’s say they could make it work quite easily.
NJ is the worst team in the NHL on paper. Unfortunately for them they won’t finish in the bottom 3 as Scheneider steals to many games for them to be dead last. It would benefit them long term if they were.
I just want the party started. I start rebuilding all the team data I track as soon as the Stanley Cup gets awarded. Start a fresh binder for the next season.
Really looking forward to what may be the biggest season of change seen in decades due to a multitude of factors. Expansion coming, cap issues, UFA status kicking in so young now, etc, potentially having significant impacts on virtually every NHL team. I sure hope we’re not disappointed.
Have a great day guys. Midget competitive baseball for my middle son today. Enjoy the discussion & debate.
I firmly believe this offseason will be quite a bit different than ones in the past. I think we’ll see a number of big time trades go down, draft day should be rocking… can’t wait! We already saw the Gudbranson trade go down, which I think for argument sake is considered a high profile type move and it was well before draft day!
I am interested to see how much the low projection of cap and the expansion draft impact the UFA market. In particular, the 2nd tier players.
Teams should more reluctant to take in players without being able to return salary the other way. Plus with adding to your D of Fwd depth this year and the impact on expansion protection.
Will this years UFAs be demanding full NMC to protect themselves from being exposed to expansion draft?
A good example maybe Erickson. He is a talented two way player that most teams would love to have their roster for next season but may not have room longer term to be able offer the term he is looking for. I will use Mtl as an example cause I know their roster the best but this could apply to many teams. Erickson would fit in well to Habs top 6 but his cap hit may hurt them 2-3 years in (galchenyuk and Price). Sign him for 6M for 5-6 years to get him in the top 6 for next season and get back into playoffs. Then you basically have an option of exposing him to expansion draft after 1 yr (which I think he would be selected) and free up cap space to address overall team needs. If he works out well you can retain him and move someone else. See if any of the younger players develop and where the strongest needs are.
This may leave a bad perception on the team and impact future attractiveness for UFAs.
Interest to hear people’s feedback on this scenario.
MAF to Toronto for Pittsburghs first Torontos 2nd and Bernier. They save 2 mill in cap right away, have a good backup who is signed for only one more year.
I think it would work if MAF is willing to go to Toronto. If they sign Stammer and a dent d-man I could see him looking at the leafs as a viable option. Decent value for both teams in you proposal.
lol not a chance they want bernier back in return makes no sense
bernier would be a way to make the money closer to even (though Tor woul still be taking on more cap). He would be an experienced backup for one year. Taking his salary would improve the quality of assets returned to pens and I think he could handle 20 starts or so.
pitts if they do trade fleury will want more than bernier on a one year deal back lots of teams out there with backup as good as bernier that would be cheaper
Not a MAF hater, but why would the Leafs cough up two very good picks when there are a pile of decent goalies available? I would rather have a younger Anderson that could grow with the team, for a second. It is well documented that Lou loves to have a stud goalie; but MAF is 31 and by the time the Leafs are likely to compete for a cup he will be 36 or worse, gone from the organization. He would look good in a Leafs jersey, but timing-wise it does’t make sense.
Never happen. Part of Anaheim’s problem is moving players that they cannot protect in expansion draft. Fowler would be one they would protect and if traded for JVR that just forces them to protect JVR meaning Sami V. and others would be still exposed. In any other year it would be a fair trade. My guess is Anaheim wants back Draft picks for both Andersen and Sami V.
sorry Vince
This was in reply to Yankee Fan
Just curious, can those with NTC’s put the expansion team on their list making them available in the expansion draft?
Hey first time, long time.
Can you confirm if Friedmann is correct about a team not being able to re-acquire an exnpasion draft selection until jan. 1st, 2018. Thats the first I’ve seen that mentioned. Ive seen multiple reports, reporting any player TRADED after jan 1st, 2017 cannot be reacquired until Jan 1st, 2018. But friedmann is the only person to have said the part about the expansion draft selected player.
According to The Globe and Mail’s James Mirtle, “Teams cannot reacquire players they trade after Jan. 1, 2017 prior to Jan. 1, 2018. This is to prevent teams from entering arrangements to “hide” players from the expansion draft. There will likely be a lot more guidelines as part of this rule.” Bear in mind we’re only getting expansion draft rules in occasional leaks. We’ll learn by June 22nd what the official guidelines will be.
The example I have in mind is getting Vegas to claim either Dan Girardi or Marc Staal (needs to waive his NMC) in the expansion draft and then having Vegas trade the player Girardi/Staal back to the Rangers while retaining salary in exchange for a combination of players/assets. So initial movement would be the claim and then the trade back to the original. As opposed to the original team trading the player and then trying to reacquire him via trade. So the difference being he wasn’t traded, he was claimed.
And thanks for your response, Spector. Been reading your website for a long time. Lost my rumor interest, but now stop in from time to time to read your takes. Your one of the best and one of the originals.
Honestly, I am not the least bit interested in seeing 31 or 32 teams. The on-ice product is diluted enough and the chaos that comes with an expansion draft must be a pain in the butt for management and fans who finally see their teams becoming competitive. Toss in the 14 team lottery for the top 3 spots and I think all that expansion will bring is 5 or 6 teams closer to losing their current hold on fans. Teams like Carolina, Florida, Arizona, and a few others can’t afford to have this sort of nonsense bump back their team building another 2 or 3 years.
Some people feel the Leafs should go after Andersen. I have read that ANA is looking for a winger.
ANA also has to move a dman.
What about JVR, WASH 2nd and Loov for Andersen and Fowler. Both JVR and Fowler become FAs at the same time.Salaries are almost the same. Doesnt have to bve Loov but something along those lines or a later pick.
alforducks on June 12, 2016 at 6:23 pm
Never happen. Part of Anaheim’s problem is moving players that they cannot protect in expansion draft. Fowler would be one they would protect and if traded for JVR that just forces them to protect JVR meaning Sami V. and others would be still exposed. In any other year it would be a fair trade. My guess is Anaheim wants back Draft picks for both Andersen and Sami V.
Just tossing it out there. I read a blog where the author felt it was better to keep Vatenen over Fowler. Theodore replaces Fowler and Vat is an RFA, if he is signed for 4 years thats 2 years past Fowler.
Its an interesting thought as a possible deal.
Im not all bent on the Leafs or them getting a goalie but it is a huge issue they have to address at some point. Bernier isnt great and the Leaf system is clearly lacking in goalies. Sparks and Bibeau are not the answer.
Even with an upgrade in net the Leafs will still be bad, its like New Jersey. Good goalie,bad team. Still a lottery team.
Andersen gives the Leafs the option while their future goalie ( drafted this year ? ) develops.
Yankee do you really think jvr loov and a late second will land fowler and loov?? No way that would happen
Not loov Anderson
Leaf Fans:
Why oh why are Leafs hell bent on getting a goalie, they are going to be BAD next year and any goalie they get will have more rubber thrown at them then is at a Canadian Tire Store. Why not get an “old” goalie and pair the “old” goalie with Bernier and let them take the beating. What I would do is offer Jake Gardner to Dallas for one of their two goalies and Dallas’s #1 pick which is 25th. Dallas needs cap space and has two overpaid goalies making what 5 million a year. Gardner would fit the skating / shooting style dallas plays. That would give the Leafs the #1 – #25 – #30 31- picks. We all know where #1 is going, I would then take the #25-30-31 and the Washington #2 and try and get two picks inside #20. AS I read off the projections it looks to me that there are going to be decent D-men available in the 15 – 25 slots. If I’m the Leafs and I can get two highly rated D-men in the first round in addition to the number #1pick, I’d be mighty happy
@alforducks Toronto really isn`t looking for a no.1 goalie at this moment. I`m sure a 21-23 yr. old no.1 goalie fell into their laps they`d take him. Most of the comments about Toronto dealing for MAF or Andersen aren`t even coming from T.O. fans. The fact Toronto only has 1 goalie with NHL experience makes everybody think they`re in the market. Toronto`s future no.1 is still playing in the minors/jrs. or Europe somewhere
These MAF trades to TO is not realistic. The goalie market has lots of options so the prices will stay down. Look what Reimer went for at the trade deadline. If that is all Lou could get you know it is a soft market?
In regard to Murray if he was in the draft this year, for the last few years there have been very few goalies taken in the first round or even top of the second round so talking of him going in the top four is not realistic. MAF could make it difficult and Murray could be the one gone. Think of what happened in Vancouver. By the time it was over they traded three goalies and now have wo that weren’t even in the system when the controversy started.
Can the Islanders make a trade for MAF?
can they? yes. will they? absolutely not.