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RANGERS SETTING UP FOR A SHATTENKIRK TRADE?
Have the Rangers cleared sufficient cap space to pursue a trade for Blues defenseman Kevin Shattenkirk?
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS: Pat Leonard believes the Rangers shedding salary by shipping center Derick Brassard ($5 million per season) to the Ottawa Senators for the more-affordable pivot Mika Zibanejad ($2.65 million for 2016-17) is what GM Jeff Gorton needed to do if he wanted to create cap space “to offer a $6 million-plus extension to a puck-mover such as the St. Louis Blues’ Kevin Shattenkirk.” Such an extension would be necessary, as Shattenkirk is eligible next summer for UFA status. Leonard wonders if Gorton might ship winger Chris Kreider to the Blues for Shattenkirk before Kreider’s arbitration hearing on Friday.
STLTODAY: Jeff Gordon believes the best opportunity for Blues GM Doug Armstrong to trade Shattenkirk passed at the 2016 NHL Draft in Buffalo last month. Gordon said Armstrong “was prepared to swap Shattenkirk for high draft picks and/or top young forwards.” However, nobody was willing to meet his asking price. As a result, he kept the blueliner and made other adjustments, including bringing back winger David Perron via free agency and keeping a roster spot open for the returning Vladimir Sobotka.
SPECTOR’S NOTE: There’s been mixed messages coming out of the New York media regarding Shattenkirk and the Rangers. Leonard believes the Rangers could try to acquire the Blues rearguard, but the New York Post’s Larry Brooks is dismissive of the notion, in part owing to the uncertainty over Shattenkirk’s future beyond next season. The Brassard deal does free up some valuable cap room to pursue Shattenkirk. Armstrong might be tempted by an offer of Kreider, though he’ll likely try to squeeze his Rangers counterpart to add a draft pick or prospect into the deal. We’ll find out soon if that’s what Gorton has in mind.
COBURN A LIGHTNING TRADE CANDIDATE?
SI.COM: Allan Muir took note of how Alex Killorn’s new contract with the Tampa Bay Lightning leaves the club with just over $8 million in cap space for next season with RFAs Nikita Kucherov, Vladislav Namestnikov and Nikita Nestorov to re-sign. Kucherov in particular could be expensive, as Muir cited St. Louis’ Vladimir Tarasenko (eight years, $60 million) as a comparable. He thinks the best-case scenario is a $6.5 million annual salary for Kucherov.
While most of the speculation centers upon goalie Ben Bishop ($5.9 million) as a cost-cutting trade candidate, Muir believes defenseman Braydon Coburn ($3.7 million) is a better choice, listing “the Devils, Bruins, Sabres, Oilers and Colorado” as clubs that could use him. He also suggests blueliner Jason Garrison and Valtteri Filppula as options.
SPECTOR’S NOTE: Yzerman is reportedly willing to make a trade this summer if necessary to free up the necessary cap space for his re-signings. Bishop, Garrison, Filppula and Coburn could become trade candidates. The Avalanche could certainly use a more defensive presence on their blueline, and perhaps the Devils could feel a pressing need to replace the recently-dealt Adam Larsson. The Bruins, Sabres and Oilers, however, are believed seeking skilled puckmoving defensemen. Coburn doesn’t suit their needs.
VRBATA RETURNING TO THE COYOTES?
ARIZONA SPORTS: Craig Morgan reports agent Rich Evans, who represents former Arizona Coyotes winger Radim Vrbata, claims he’s spoken with four NHL teams over the structure of a contract for his client. Evans wouldn’t confirm the identity of those clubs, but Morgan said it’s believed the Coyotes could have some interest in bringing Vrbata back.
Tampa Bay is going to be in trouble. Giving up Bishop might get them the immediate cap space they need to sign their current FAs but Johnson and Palat are going to be FAs soon too and the team is running out of cap room. Unloading under-performing players on big contracts is a pipe dream at this point.
There are teams that will take short term bad contracts for assets. Look what Toronto has done. Expect them to do more of the same next summer or at the trade deadline when their expiring contracts are dealt. Someone like garrison is possible as they are weak on d and prospects (I know he’s not an upgrade but polak is gone after this year and garrison has 1 year left after this)
Indeed, TOR has plenty of cap, especially once the season starts, and a whole bunch of dead weight coming off after the season is through:
Laich – $4.5
Michalek – $4.0
Greening – $2.65
Cowen – $3.1 if he is successful in preventing his rightful buyout Robidas – $3.0
Garrison has a salary of $2.5 m for 2017-18 and cap hit of $4.6 m. That’s the type of contract (and player) cap floor teams love. Bishop is a UFA after this season. That’s $10.5 m for next year to sign the like of Johnson and Palat. Drouin will be trickier.
Im not sure 10.5 covers Johnson and Palat necessarily depending on their season this year let alone Drouin and I cant see whats left this year covering Kucherov Nesterov and Namestnikov unless one or 2 of them is bridged in which case your just putting off the inevitable which is not being able to afford all the RFAs…I think there needs to be more than 1 move.
I can’t see 10.5 being enough for palat and Johnson only considering Killorn got 4.45 but you never know
I still don’t understand why someone doesn’t take a swing at Kucherov via offersheet? He just turned 23 and was a beast in the playoffs. Offer him 7.5 for 7 years and I doubt TB could match. You loose a 1st, 2nd and 3rd but who cares. He’s an elite talent who’s only scratching the surface to his potential.
Rangers could sign the Wiz to run the powerplay for an affordable salary this season and wait to sign Shattenkirk in the off season if his intention is to come to MSG
I lke this idea, gonna give up too much to get Shattenkirk. Wait it out and get him for nothing .
Unless Wis comes at a dirt cheap price, or Ny moves Girardi or Staal, I can’t see it happening. They have about 10.5 in cap space before Kreider and Hayes eat up roughly 7. They already have 8 d-men under contract and need a 3rd or 4th line center (depending on their plans for Hayes). They haven’t carried more than 7 d-men into a season in recent history. I can’t see them carrying 8-9 this year.
I don’t see the Rangers wasting money on wiz but just bringing someone from within
In all likelihood, Bishop won’t be traded, and will play out the season (and whatever playoff run the Bolts have) on an expiring contract.
Under the circumstances, it would be fairly risky for Las Vegas to draft him, seeing as how he would hit free-agency on July 1, 2017 – Bishop, without a contract, *could* then sign with “the highest bidder” (and it would surely be for a sizeable sum.)
…Or, he may simply follow the leads of Stamkos and Hedman, and take a haircut; remaining in his comfort-zone (with the Lightning) and continue to play for a team that promises repeatedly deep playoff runs, and a chance to win the Stanley Cup as a core player.
I see no way in which Bishop continues with Tampa. They already re-upped Vasilevsky at 3+. Tampa desperately need the cap space they will create with Bishop exiting. I would be absolutely shocked if we see Bishop in Tampa for 2017-2018
You may be right for this season, but I don’t see Bishop taking any haircut on his next contract.
He’s currently paid $5.95 and just outside the top ten in the league for his position. If he took any haircut, he’d be outside the top fifteen.
Even if he stays flat at $5.95, which isn’t likely, you’d still have just under $9.5 invested at the goalie position, which is too much. The lightning need a more affordable backup.
Considering what it cost the Rangers to get Yandle; would you not be a bit nervous about giving up assets for Shattenkrik who could potentially walk at season end? Also it was rumored that the Blues wanted both Boston 1st rnd picks and Pastrnack for Shattenkirk; point being the demand was high.
Well if the rumours are true that STL would not let teams talk extension with Shattenkirk beforehand then absolutely you would be nervous, that’s a lot of risk to take.
Teams were given permission
Considering Rangers let Yandle walk(who I think is better than Shattenkirk)do you think they’d bring in a guy who is only 2 years younger for same money? Imo no.
And forget about trading Kreider. Not happening. If GM talks about getting younger and faster, you don’t trade fastest guy who is only 25! I think extra space allows us to move Staal if we retain salary. Don’t see us bringing in another D without moving one.
I don’t think moving Brassard had anything to do with bringing in Shattenkirk. It has more to do with cap flexibility to sign a depth / insurance center for the 4th line. Unless they plan on Stepan, Hayes, zbad,and Miller returning to center, they’re going to need someone to start the season. Not sure if Jooris will be a full time guy. I also don’t see anyone of the above mentioned wasted on the 4th line.
NYR had the cap room to bring in a #4 C even after Kreider & hayes are resolved & their are a ton of cheap options available even returning Moore & I assume they still will. I have Hayes playing at #3 but Miller will play all over the place as usual & to make the top 6 he will have to play RW as Nash & Kredier are the top 2 LW’s.
This was about getting a better player than Brassard moving forward well freeing up cap space today to bring in another asset at D. A PP specialist. The Wiz would fit well & is free but there are a few other options that could be had in trade for teams wanting to free up cap space potentially. Although taking on cap hit is problematic for NYR but a team eating up to 1/2 the cap hit could make it possible.
Going to be curious to see what Gorton does with that cap space. I still have NYR as a serious cup contender. I really like what Gorton has done & is doing. Grabner helps the PK & adds speed on a checking line. His depth moves are solid Grabner, Holden & Clendening. Skjei is ready to start his NHL career & with 7 D signed, Skejci being 8 maybe no change is coming at D? NYR just moved out a 28 year old for a 23 year old who will be a better player than Brassard ever was perhaps as early as next season but certainly by 2017-18, he is as good now.
Not necessarily Moore but a #4 C that is.
They had cap room, but not much. Prior to the deal, they had 8.2. I’m guessing Kreider and Hayes will chew up close to at least 7. They could have signed someone, but that was leaving little to no flexibility.
Nash has more starts at Rw in Ny than lw since his arrival. Almost entirely playing Rw. I don’t see that changing. Especially if they try to integrate Buchnevich into the mix. Miller plays mostly on the left. Which will also not change.
I have Kreider at Killorn money, nominally more about 4.5. Hayes I think has to take a 1 year show me deal which means about a mil or a 2 year bridge at about 2.5 which would hit your 7 mil price point. He regressed as a sophomore.
The issue is do you lock up Kreider long term now. If he steps up next year significantly that would increase the cost & I certainly have him being better next season, 25 goals & 50 to 55 points.
I really like the Rangers as you know. People are down on them & the clock is ticking but I love the make up of this team.
I thought this was interesting, about the affects of signing bonus.
http://www.tsn.ca/signing-bonus-laden-contracts-could-lead-to-next-lockout-1.528992
Zibanejad is an RFA next year and will make about the same as Brassard so I don’t see what this deal has to do with Shattenkirk.
Unless Zbad has a very good season, I don’t think he’ll have the leverage to command 5 per. If Ny takes the same route as they have with literally every single Rfa (McDonagh sole exception) that has gone through the system, he’ll have to file for arbitration and either settle, or let an arbitrator decide.
Again, barring a very good season, I can’t see arbitration being a favorable route for Zbad.
With all that in mind, NY may want to consider letting Hayes play on the 2nd line, and Zbad on the 3rd to intentionally keep his numbers somewhat suppressed for a more favorable outcome in negotiations / arbitration ruling.
Zibanejad has gotten better every year he’s played in the NHL & still has 2 more years of growth. He’s a future #1 C in a massive frame. 6’2″ 225 lbs just scratching the surface of his potential. He wasn’t brought into to be a #3. He will be 1a or 1b take your pick. He just slots into Brassard’s spot. He kills penalties, can play the PP, good in the circle. His 21 goals & 51 points last season get him at least 5 mil in arbitration come next summer. NYR will sign him at market value when the time comes & I assume that will be very soon. It wouldn’t surprise me if Gorton doesn’t try to get him signed long term ASAP to try & get him signed cheaper. He’s a lock to score 25 goals & 60 points next season which means his salary demands will be going up. If he doesn’t lead NYR in points next season he will be top 3 & very close to 1st baring injury.
In 2017-18 his breakthrough season, 30 goals & 70 points baring injury putting him in very elite company in today’s lower scoring NHL.
I know that they didn’t bring him in for a 3c. What I said was it may be in their best interest to play him there. Not saying that actually happens. I’m more than sure he’ll be given a crack at 1b. But if you think he’s solidified that spot, and will be able to go through 10-12 game scoring droughts and stay there…. You don’t get AV. Hayes went through that this year, Zbad isn’t going to be rewarded if his inconsistencies carry over to NY
I know AV well. Was a Canucks season ticket holder. Zibanejad’s inconsistencies are blown out of proportion. You can’t take anything that happened under Cameron seriously. He played favorities. Not everyone was treated equally of fairly.
You are really going to like this player. Still has some maturing to do, don’t we all, we are men after all which really means just nominally more responsible boys.
Man Striker has a glowing report of Zabinejad. Top Centre, break out season and all. He has an inconsistent history where he didn’t even show up to camp in the best shape. Sure he is reportedly coming to camp this year in the best shape he can but it is a contract year after all.
Zbad has a hard shot, not extremely accurate and though can be on your PP he is no better than any other PP guy. He needs a guy to pass him the puck and don’t expect him to pass it back. Yes he is only 23. So he can improve but I would of thought him being a forward we would of seen it already. Guys like Hoffman who make the jump or suddenly excell at 24 are rare. I’ve notice of my years watching hockey a top player’s break out year tends to be his third, that has passed.
Time will tell but i think Zbad is what he is a 2nd line centre, I am perfectly ok with letting him go for a more consistent 2 way player even if he is an old man. Lol
I was thinking the exact same thing. Zibanejad helps this year, but Shattenkirk’s extension kicks in next year. Zibanejad will be at least $4.5M/year (see Kadri’s contract) and Shattenkirk will be $6.5M+ per year as well. Someone else will have to be traded of bought out for that scenario to work.
Kadri’s not a great comparable for me with Zibanejad. 2 years older. He would be the low end of the scale & you could make argument for him in arbitration. I assume Zibanejad will come in between Kadri & Scheifele. These bigger body guys take longer to grow into their bodies & develop along the timelines of a Dman as opposed to a forward. NYR would be smart to lock Zibanejad up sooner as it will get more expensive with each passing day.
Toronto some how got Kadri signed to a great contract below market value. 6 years at 4.5 was very good value. Considering al the hype about Kadri being entitled he under sold himself on this contract.
He did, and OTT undersold Zibanejad. The more I look into the advanced stats, the worse it looks. As I said in the thread on the subject, it looks like the exchange of picks went the wrong way. I assume you arer of the same view?
That is why I said at least Kadri at $4.5M per year. I think Zibanejad is significantly better than Kadri at a younger age and is more likely to have a cap hit around that of Jaden Schwartz (5 years at $5.35M per year) starting next season. That cap hit would be higher than Brassard’s next year at a higher real dollar cost.
Zibanejad will not be a 3C. He was better than that last year for most teams in the league and will definitely be a 1B/2C this year in New York. Another example of rich teams flexing their muscle in trades, but I still think Ottawa gave up too much with the 2nd round pick even though it saved them $2M. Brassard is better today, but won’t be for long.
Another interesting point about the trade is that Zibanejad is actually being paid more in salary this year ($3.25M) after New York picked up Brassard’s $2M bonus. Brassard’s salary for the season is only $3M, which saves Ottawa another $250k. All in all, $10M in actual salary for Brassard is still a great deal for Ottawa. Being a left shot center should also help Bobby Ryan, who isn’t currently living up to his contract.
If Zbad takes a half a step backwards in NY he will find himself on the 3rd line. His point totals aren’t that far off from the last 2 guys to hold down the 3rd line. Brassard put up 45 on the 3rd line a few years ago, Hayes 45 and 36. 36 coming on a down year.
You make some good points, but, no, Zibanejad is not better than Kadri. I will say, it is possible with the way he is progressing that he could easily be better in two years, though.
Kadri only put up 45 pts last season, but you have to look at his deployment – he was the Leafs shutdown C, consistently matched up against the opposing top lines and ranking #1 in Quality of Competition. In fact, he ranked among the league leaders in this regard.
His headline stats were also impacted by outlier-low S% (6.5% vs 10.5% career) and middling On-Ice SV% for the team. In other words, he had bad puck luck last season, to boot.
So, no, he didn’t put up 51 points like Zibanejad, but he was used as a shutdown C and did a far better job at suppressing shots against much harder quality of competition.
I’d be surprised if Zibanejad took a step back, but he is frustratingly inconsistent. I go to 8-10 Sens games a year and have seen both sides of his play. One game he’ll look like Ovechkin light and the next five he is barely noticeable. His high end potential is what makes most Sens fans nervous about this trade because he is still really young at 23.
I don’t know the Rangers roster that well, but the best fit for Zibanejad is a playmaking winger like Tanguay from years ago. Zibanejad is more of a shoot first center and that is why he didn’t mesh that well with Bobby Ryan. For that reason, I don’t think he’d be a good fit with Rick Nash.
NYR4Life: Do you think Zuccarello would fit the playmaking winger type mold? His stats look like they might, but I haven’t seen him play enough.
Van,
I think Zuccarello is probably the most creative guy on NY’s roster. And he seems to fit no matter what center he plays with. Offensively fit better with Brassard than Stepan. But defensively he and Brassard were not usually a good option together.
I think Zbad’s position will depend on what AV does with other players. Do they want Hayes back at wing, Miller at center?, and the plan for Buchnevich, Will AV try Zbad at wing? I don’t think he’ll be allowed to sleep through 8-10-12 games and still be a lock for the 2nd line. He hasn’t earned anything just yet. But if he does take a step back or think he can sleepwalk through chunks of games he’ll find himself where Hayes did last year. And that will be 3rd line or worse.
Zuc plays wing like he is a centre. One of the most creative wingers in the game. That will benefit Zbad if they are on the same line.
Mika is already better than Kadri at both ends of the ice close in Offense but defensive zone Kadri looks like a lost puppy running around hence why he only got 4.5 imo
FYI Kadri has a smaller advantage overall in his career ppg.6 to Zbads .5. That’s including a down year last year.His shot % was a career low.
Also his +/- is only at -20 after 7 seasons, Zbad -11 after 5.
They are really close to being equal players. Kadri is not as bad as some think defensively. Hes played a lot tougher players then Zbad.
As for the trade its a win win trade.
And our resident Leaf troll weighs in with his usual unsubstantiated drivel… Sigh
Indeed Yankee, looking at the stats and understanding usage tells the story.
Obvious you don’t come from a hockey background Dan all you can do is read stats but if you watch Kadri in his own end and not just follow the puck than you might realize his defensive warts but keep on overvaluing leaf players and sounding like a homer
@bruins, not sure what your pedigree is with Hockey either. You clearly haven’t watched the leafs last year.
Firstly, stats don’t lie. If Kadri was a headless chicken then the stats would have identified that. Your statement in fact has nothing substantial in it, just a blanket statement and hoping you are somewhere close to reality.
Also not sure how Kadri was overvalued either? It’s not like someone is saying he is elite. Good serviceable player who might have an upside. If you watched enough games you would know the guy has crazy slick hands, doesn’t help when he gets no help up ice.
@tazi your pedigree isn’t showing well either as far as an all around player mika is better you will not find many ppl outside of leaf fans that think otherwise. Kadri just started to get pk time late last year for the first in his career well mika younger has been doing it awhile. Watch Kadri without the puck in his own end losing position on his man not taking away passing lanes jumping on the puck carrier at the wrong time. Like I said watch a little closer and you will learn a little more
@tazi I agree he has slick hands I also said they are close offensively but on the defensive side mika is ahead
firstly, I made no claims to my pedigree. Only questioned yours.
Secondly, I didn’t claim that Kadri > Mika.
Third, since you can’t consume & comprehend plain text. You might only be reading what you want to read – could that maybe stretch to what you see on the ice as well?
Lastly, I don’t watch to ‘learn’ the game. There are other things worth learning, both for the mind and the pocket. I watch hockey to relax, its a hobby I am passionate about.
That Says a lot you don’t watch to learn no point in arguing if you just follow the puck and don’t know the whole game
Case and point. Ignore all the other points, take the small piece that you can carve out a weak argument from and express that. Pathetic.
Have a good day tazi
We had a guy on here who would compare everything to the Leafs, using the Leafs as his bad example. No other players, it was always anti leaf every chance he had.
He would also base his evaluations on players with the eye of the beholder approach. Stats be damned, only his eye knew the true value of a player.Of course this is based on what he chooses to see,look hard enough everyone has their flaws.
Your all entitled to your own opinions ( and mine too ) but when you constantly run down players from the same team you’re going to get called out.
When the leafs are constantly brought up when nothing in the headlines are about the leafs fans of other teams will get upset especially when they are overvaluing the players. Yankee why don’t we just keep it to hockey I said my opinion about mika and kadri and I get called a troll why?
@yankee go look at my comment before I was called a troll I said they were close offensively and mika was better defensively I even ended it with IMO and then dan39 starts throwing petty insults?? You tell me who is in the wrong yankee
Well bbb Kadri was brought up by others then Dan. Nothing wrong with that as he is a good comparison. You even admit that. And fans of their team will always over value their player. In this case I dont see it as I have said the players are relatively the same.
Where you go off the rails is by saying Kadri looks like a lost puppy in the defensive zone. Your entitled to say you dont think Kadri is as good as Zbad. Thats fine , but you took the further shot at him with your defensive zone comment. People are going to question that as you know most of them want proof backing up that sort of comment.If you want to make a comment inciting fans then be able to back it. Your arguments are weak and thats why you are called a troll.Your comment further down the page is one to incite others. Try using a different team, or better yet comments like that are best left alone.
Funny how I never called you a troll. In fact its real funny how you’re defending yourself to me when I never even mentioned you . I stated a comment about a guy who posts under a different name.
I’ll gladly keep it about hockey, just remember we all know the ” game ” here.
It’s pretty funny Yankee how dumb you think others are? I just say my opinion about hockey you and Dan seem to take it off topic calling ppl trolls petty insults if you don’t like my opinion don’t reply is it that hard?? I didn’t start calling shticky a troll yesterday when he made the comment about Nill fleecing Boston but when I said the kessel trade to Pitts was bad Dan jumps all over me?? So who incites all this?? Really who does Yankee??
I will only offer this observation – Kadri gets knocked down easily – Zibanejad does not.
There is no sense arguing or calling Big Bad Bruin names it’s pretty obvious it’s big bear and further proof that he may have some issues if he has to come to a blog and play pretend. Leaf fan Bruin fan Hab fan scout whatever he wants to say he is let’s not clog up the threads with this stuff anymore just ignore him if it bugs you.
And yes George good point Kadri does get knocked down more and draws way more penalties than Zabinajad?
And probably draws more “diving” penalties in the process.
As we discussed when Coburn signed the timing was odd & seeing as he’s their #5 is he a vital cog in the equation. A nice luxury to have but a luxury none the less. As I mentioned the other day something has to give in TB at least in relationship to bodies. With the signing of Killorn TB now has 48 players under contract; 50 is the max, so only space for 2 more with 3 still to sign.
TB can wiggle in under the cap this season but next summer 2017, it’s beyond ugly. 12 players signed with slightly less than 20 mil to sign 11 players with Drouin, Palat, Johnson & Sustr all RFA’s & Bishop & Boyle UFA’s at today’s cap limit.
Other than having a decent trade chip now or next summer, I didn’t get the Coburn extension either. He is good value for the money, but Tampa Bay can’t afford him past the upcoming season unless they sacrifice a much better player (Johnson, Palat or Drouin). They have to find a way to get rid of Filppula too because he is massively overpaid. I doubt they have to buy him out like Carle, but they will have to add a sweetener in a trade and/or take back a less toxic contract that expires this year.
It will be interesting to see what teams like TB do exposing players for expansion. Some cap relief is coming in expansion just a question of how much.
The cap relief would really likely come too late for Tampa when you consider to calculate the real increase in revenue with ticket sale merch and regional broadcast package would be starting the year after expansion and not finalized till the following summer, the fee pays no real part in league revenues…that’s just cake for the owners revenue will increase year 1 but the bigger bounce would be following that I would believe.
I know it doesn’t happen often, but Tampa Bay is ripe for an offer sheet. Kucherov is definitely the type of talent I’d be willing to give up 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks for and Tampa Bay would want way more than that in a trade. I think if the offer sheet is under ~$7.5M/year that is the compensation (can’t find the link – I think Striker sent it around recently). If nothing else, you could seriously hamper Tampa Bay’s cap going forward like San Jose did with Chicago years back when they offer sheeted Hjalmarsson and then plucked Niemi when Chicago couldn’t afford both.
For 2015 – 2016, the compensation due for signing a RFA to an Offer Sheet is:
Amount Compensation Due
$1,205,377 or below None
Over $1,205,377 to $1,826,328 3rd round pick
Over $1,826,328 to $3,652, 659 2nd round pick
Over $3,652,659 to $5,478,986 1st and 3rd round pick
Over $5,478,986 to $7,305,316 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round pick
Over $7,305,316 to $9,131,645 Two 1st’s, one 2nd, one 3rd round pick
Over $9,131,645 Four 1st round picks
The amount is determined by taking the total compensation due in the Offer Sheet, and dividing by the number of years specified in the Offer Sheet, or five (5) – whichever is less.
Example: A team signs a RFA to an offer sheet which calls for salaries of $4 million in Years 1 and 2, and $5 million in Years 3 to 5. The average amount for compensation purposes is $4.6 million ($23 million divided by 5 years) – so the compensation required in 2010-11 would be a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round pick.
Example: A team signs a RFA to an offer sheet which calls for a salary of $3.5 million per year for 6 years. Even though the Averaged Salary on the offer sheet would be $3.5 million, for compensation purposes the average amount is $4.2 million ($21 million divided by the lesser of the number of years on the offer sheet, or 5) – so the compensation due in 2010-11 would be one 1st’s, one 2nd, and one 3rd round pick.
It increases for 2016-17 in direct relationship to the cap increase, so nominally. At the 1st, 2nd & 3rd round compensation TB would match. The offer sheet rules are written in such away that it’s virtually impossible to make it work. If not for the 5 year caveat you could but as monies need to be divided by 5 it’s virtually impossible to structure in such away that you will get the player unless you move into the 4 1sts compensation range which is to steep price to pay for any player.
Say you offer Kucherov at 8 mil per for 7 years. That’s 56 mil divided by 5, that’s 11.2 per cap hit, 4 1sts. Say you do 5 at the max threshold for 2 1sts, a 2nd & a 3rd? Approx 9.5ish. Is any team doing that? Factor in they have to be your own picks. Who has the cap space, picks & where withal to do so?
Thanks for the information. As much as anything, offering a 5 year deal at $7M/year would still mess up Tampa Bay’s cap. Even if they match, I’m sure that is more than they want on the cap. However, Kucherov still has to be willing to sign an offer sheet.
Maybe TB can convince Kucherov to take an 8 year/$48M deal for a $6M cap hit, but if I’m Kucherov, that is leaving too much money on the table. I would want my contract ending in my late twenties (i.e. 5 or 6 year deal) so I could get another massive contract. Stevie Y has pulled a couple rabbits out of his hat with Stamkos and Hedman, so it is possible he can convince Kucherov to do the same. Will be fun to watch.
Now the Zabinajed Bradsard deal makes sense. All teams should be in on Shattenkirk. Still shocked that Edmonton has not made more trades to acquire some D. I know; it’s not easy! I have a proposal how about a new category of “who cares” variety when it comes to all things Arizona and Carolina! Neither should even be in the league!
Well you’ll get your wish with Carolina soon. They will be playing in Quebec with in 5 years, just need to wait for the lease buyout to get more manageable & the relocation fee will be significantly less than the expansion fee & Quebec will get a far better team that Las Vegas is even in 5 years.
Arizona isn’t leaving the NHL or Arizona. That ship sailed when they NHL; 30 team owners, put up their own money to save that franchise. They will be moving eventually. To a nice new arena most likely in Tempe with a stop over back in their old arena. The NHL wants & needs this demographic. It’s a business issue that relates to a future National TV contract. Your not getting 1 with out a presence in the Phoenix area.
Unfortunately I have to agree with you on the Arizona front. But it doesn’t matter TV contract or not hockey in Arizona will not be watched on the ice or at home! Hope you are right on Carolina going to Quebec. Relocation is definitely cheaper and I think Bettman sees Quebec as similar to Winnipeg.
Looks like the Rangers could use an affordable centre? Bozak could fit the situation and would be relatively cheap to acquire.
I don’t get why everyone is so worried by the expansion draft? Each team can only lose one player and it is current practice to offer expansion teams picks or prospects not to pick certain guys. So if Nashville is worried about losing Ellis they would put a package together that would include LV taking a guy like Wilson (for example). Teams could also make a deal for LV to take an expensive veteran like Nash or Lupul?
I have seen that some of these comments have been disrespectful between bloggers or about certain GMs. There really is no need for that. Disagreeing respectfully with facts or opinions is the civilized way to disagree. I don’t agree with most of the moves the Oiler GM has made in the past but we also don’t know how much a Neely pushed them? People laugh at the Leafs for some of their trades but Boston has let Thorton, Kessell and Seguin go and do not have any comparable player left to replace them but they did win a cup. On the other hand I am one of a few fans that saw the Leafs win their last cup. I hope it happens again before I die?
NYR’s top 3 center positions are set. Stepan 1A, Zibanejad 1B, Hayes #3 & Baozak 4? I don’t think so.
I’m not worried about expansion at all nor have I gotten the impression anyone else is here really either. Expansion is a good thing. Teams get to dump players & contracts. Yes side deals will be made but in most situations teams will do what’s best for them including Las Vegas. McPhee will do as he chooses. If he feels the compensation offered is better than the player he will take it if not he will take the player. This isn’t Mel Bridgman setting Ottawa back right out of the gate.
Nashville doesn’t have to make any deal with Vegas. They protect 8 skaters; 4 being D 1 of which is Ellis, & expose Wilson.
Some people on here can be very personal & disrespectful. I have on occasion but try to only when responding in kind after harsh attack. The problem with text though is that it is very impersonal, dry & often what we mean isn’t conveyed properly & someone takes offense.
I don’t take any of it personally. Great place to debate hockey. Very bright group of posters & none of the BS that other sites allow.
Ny didn’t have the luxury of having a 5 million per 1a-1b center. They certainly don’t have the luxury of carrying a guy at 4.2 on the 4th line. They need a cheap, temporary fix until Lindberg is healthy. Which will be approximately 1-2 months into the season. Even if Toronto held 1/2, it’s not enough. D.moore could be had for only $$$’s and would be a better alternative.
TOR will not be holding one half of Bozak’s salary or any other fraction, IMO. I think it’s in their interest to hold onto him for the time being.
He’s a capable 2/3 C 40-50 pt producer in the NHL on a reasonable, $4.2m AAV for two more seasons. In a couple years, though, assuming he is moved at the TDL, the C group could look like
Matthews
Kadri
Komarov/other
Gauthier/other
I wasn’t saying they should. But he isn’t a fit in NY either way. Ny Can’t afford him. And Why trade Brassard to create cap space only to trade for Bozak to create a bigger problem? It just makes zero sense. They will be looking for a 4th liner for temporary use. Again, Moore would cost nothing.
NY isn’t giving up assets to pay Bozak 4.2 per. to play on the 3rd or 4th line.
Wouldn’t it have been much easier to just keep Brassard?
Almost willing to bet Komarov doesn’t end this season as a Leaf let alone 2 years down (and he is more a winger than C) the road apologies for the interruption of Ranger talk
He isn’t bad value at his contract but not a fit for NYR at all. He would fit better somewhere like Calgary, Minny, Colorado or Vancouver.
He does’t have huge trade value though. Given what the Leafs get for him they are better off keeping him
I’m really surprised the leafs finished dead last with how good leaf fans say the players on the team are✌️
wonder why the Bruins are seeking a puck moving DMan when they just signed Krug and C Miller, better off looking for a DMan who can actually play both ends of the ice, their D zone coverage this past season was horriable and they have done nothing thus far to address it