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BISHOP, RUSSELL AND BARRIE.
Could the Dallas Stars still pursue Tampa Bay Lightning goalie Ben Bishop this summer?
TSN 1050 (VIA TODAY’S SLAPSHOT): Darren Dreger believes the Dallas Stars could be a good destination for Ben Bishop when the time comes for the Tampa Bay Lightning to trade the goaltender. He also believes the Lightning’s asking price for Bishop has to be high in terms of the young prospect or the draft picks they’ll want. There’s also the issue of re-signing Bishop, who’s eligible next summer for unrestricted free agency. Dreger believes the Calgary Flames wanted Bishop but the high cost in return and new contract was too much.
SPECTOR’S NOTE: The Lightning don’t have to trade Bishop this summer. However, with around $12 million in salary-cap space and Nikita Kucherov, Alex Killorn, Nikita Nestorov and Vladislav Namestnikov to re-sign, shedding Bishop’s $5.9 million cap hit would give them considerable breathing room.
I don’t doubt Stars GM Jim Nill would love to acquire Bishop and lock him up to a long-term deal, but he’d have to find a way to shed either Kari Lehtonon or Antti Niemi, who are under contract for two more seasons. Nill could go into next season with his current goalie tandem intact, try to move one of them later in the season and make a pitch for Bishop before the trade deadline.
Dreger also reports via Twitter that a few teams still have interested in unrestricted free agent defenseman Kris Russell. Multiple teams are also interested in UFA winger Kris Versteeg.
EDMONTON JOURNAL: David Staples cites Oilers Now host Bob Stauffer reiterated his belief troubled negotiations are ahead for the Colorado Avalanche and defenseman Tyson Barrie, as head coach Patrick Roy considers Barrie a No.5 defenseman. Stauffer claims there will be six-to-ten teams who’ll pursue Barrie and thinks the Avs asking price could drop during the summer. For the Oilers to land Barrie without giving up a player like Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Stauffer suggests a three-way deal with a club like the Anaheim Ducks. In his analysis, Staples suggests it’s not clear what’s going to happen, as the Avs could trade Barrie or re-sign him.
SPECTOR’S NOTE: Avalanche general manager Joe Sakic insists he’s not trading Barrie and will re-sign the blueliner even if he goes to arbitration. Of course, he could change his mind if it appears Barrie’s asking price is far too high or if a rival club is willing to knock his socks off with a big offer. A three-way trade is possible, but such moves are rare.
RED WINGS, FLYERS AND FLAMES
MLIVE.COM: Ansar Khan believes the Detroit Red Wings are top-heavy at forward, suggesting a trade for a defenseman at some points seems inevitable. “The three prime candidates are Cam Fowler of Anaheim, Kevin Shattenkirk of St. Louis and Jacob Trouba of Winnipeg.” If the Wings pursue Fowler, it could cost them a winger like Tomas Tatar or Gustav Nyquist. Shattenkirk is eligible next summer for UFA status, which could complicate things if he wants to test the market. Khan is skeptical the Jets will trade Trouba, who’s completed an entry-level contract. He believes the cost of acquiring a good young defenseman is high.
SPECTOR’S NOTE: Of those three, Fowler is the most likely trade candidate. However, several clubs (such as the Boston Bruins, Buffalo Sabres and Boston Bruins) are also interested. If the Wings are willing to move Tatar or Nyquist, it could give them an advantage over the others. However, the fact the Ducks yesterday signed Mason Raymond to a two-way deal suggests they’re not optimistic about someone meeting their asking price for Fowler.
PHILLY.COM: Sam Carchidi recently claimed Philadelphia Flyers general manager Ron Hextall was still working the phones to improve his roster. If Hextall could somehow land 2016 Hobey Baker Award winning winger Jimmy Vesey (eligible for UFA status on Aug. 15), it’ll be a good summer for the Flyers GM. Carchidi suggests big UFA forward Brandon Pirri could be a good addition for the right price. If he can find a taker for Matt Read’s contract, it could free up a spot for young winger Travis Konecny.
SPECTOR’S NOTE: With just over $8 million in cap space and restricted free agents such as Brayden Schenn and Nick Cousins to re-sign, Hextall could be reluctant to add someone like Pirri. That’s not to suggest he won’t make another UFA signing, but after signing Dale Weise and Boyd Gordon, he’s probably not pursuing any of the notable free agents still available. I don’t see Hextall finding much interest in Read.
SPORTSNET: Calgary Flames GM Brad Treliving could still be in the market for a defenseman, preferably a left-handed shot.
Trouba for Duchene, Barrie for RNH. Solves a lot of problems.
I don’t think Duchene would get you Trouba nor does Winnipeg need Duchene & I know RNH isn’t getting you Barrie. Edm just paid a huge price to get Larsson. I’m not saying this is the market but it’s a reference & Hall is a better asset than either Duchene; not significantly better but better, or RNH.
Winnipeg doesn’t need a LW or C the positions Duchene plays. Colorado could sure use a player like Trouba there D is bad but they have a very comparable player in Johnson. Moving Duchene leaves a huge hole in Colorado’s top 6 but most teams would be happy to do so to plug in a future #2, possibly #1 Dman. see Hall for Larsson.
Indeed, EDM was better for the move they made and lucky to be in the position to have done so. I don’t Barrie coming cheaply. Why is Barrie available anyway? The player has no leverage, can’t see why COL would move him just yet.
Edmonton had better pray that Larsson will at least be a Hamonic as the optics of this deal solely looking at the trade 1 for 1 are brutal.
Hard to believe that this is the cost to acquire Dman with this type of potential, especially 1 like Larsson that may be 1 dimensional on the defensive side of the play.
I always assumed the cost to be extreme to acquire a #1 or 2 Dman even 1 that may not have achieved that yet but appeared to be, especially when factoring in contract & Larsson does have a very good contract as they almost never move but I didn’t honestly expect it to be this high.
I try to wrap my head around it based on the final result of where the team is now personal wise but Chiarelli will always be judged for it based on the trade it self. Just like when he moved Seguin who was moved for numerous other reasons. It wasn’t just a hockey decision but a character & business decision which I can except & makes sense to me.
So Striker after you had more days to think on it. Do you agree like the rest of us Edmonton was forced to over pay for Larson. Hence the Value of Hall is greater than Larson but due to the position Larson plays and the abundance of scoring forwards Edmonton had Chiarelle was willing to over pay. Sounds like it as you are trying to wrap your mind around it.
Still really struggling with if Jeff. Huge price to pay. Just can’t believe there wasn’t an other option available. I accept getting Dman that can play top role minutes & are young is impossible but Chiarelli is going to be slagged for decades making 2 trades he had little choice but to make.
I also feel really bad for Hall. He gets dumped into another brutal situation & has no control over where he plays for at least 4 more years. Who wants to play for NJ?
I’m just bugging yah striker. haha
All good Jeff. Still shocked. I expected the cost to be high but certainly not that high. Ouch!
If that’s the market for Dman with top 2 potential on good long term contracts good luck trading for 1.
striker i told you before any of this happened that the oilers had too many devalued assets. you didnt believe it then but its obvious now. chiarelli knew this coming in so he tried to pick up assets like Sekera and Reinhart. hoping that they along with McDavid would hopefully reinflate their values, but sadly they couldnt.
RNH Eberle Hall and Shultz unfortunately are what they are, Chiarelli as boston GM wanted no part of them for hamilton so he knew what outside GM’s thought and got the best he could in Larsson
RNH doesnt sniff Barrie,Parayko or Trouba. He and Eberle are the last of the pariahs, fortunately Draisaitl is seen as salvageable because he’s still new. Lucic will help add a more workmanlike attitude…..I still think Yakupov can be saved because he still puts in the effort, but if it were me RNH and Eberle would be gone before the season for the best that they can get……cut out the last of the Gangrene in the lockeroom and really see improvement
I think the deal is tough to swallow just based on the other possibilities.
Hamilton, jones, Subban are talented RHD that have been traded in the last 12 months.
Also I feel hamonic could have been had as well. So considering the assets available to trade wouldn’t other deals have made more sense given what the price ended up as. Would a package around draistl gotten you jones ?
With Connor as your #1, RNH would be a more than adequate #2. Jones has #1 stud potential so it was going to be expensive.
Yep that’s what the flames need is another Dman, sign those 2 young forwards up before they get offersheeted, Brian Burke is a cancer to any team.
The Flames will match any offer sheet, they have plenty of cap space now that they didn’t panic and take back a big goalie contract or throw money at Reimer. They have $14million in cap space and can go over the cap by another $7million for the summer if they need to.
Looks to me like Burke and Treliving with the help of Jay Feaster have assembled a pretty good squad, one that likely underacheived last year. They did all of this while maintaining their dignity and drafting well, not relying on first overalls, lottery picks or luck to stock the cupboards. Just an opinion from someone who is not a Flames fan.
Feaster had some good things going, good drafts and signings. Players were developing fast. It was predominantly Feasters team that was fun and had that excitement and made the playoffs. Calgary has plateaued since Burke came on. It all started with Baertschi, Burke wanted him handled differently than Feaster and then he got fired. I think Baertschi suffered from it too. Seems to be something fundamental about the Calgary way that’s different now. I’m not as optimistic as I was before. But, this is a new season, we’ll see how it goes.
Nothing to do, really, with the subject matter here today, but in relation to yesterday’s exchange on Evander Kane, this article on Sean Avery is one example that some just can’t “grow up.” Hopefully one day he’ll irritate the wrong person and we’ll be reading about him getting his clock cleaned
http://www.ottawasun.com/2016/07/04/videos-show-ex-nhler-sean-avery-harassing-homeless-people-for-fun
I haven’t read the article. But Sean Avery was in a class of his own when it came to @ssholeness. But yes you are correct some never change and continue to be moronic there entire life. There is no reason to believe that E. Kane is incapable or unwilling to change at this point.
Just click on the link to read it.
I read it. In E. Kane’s defense he is known to help the homeless. Perhaps he won’t “grow up.” but I’ve have seen nothing yet to make me think he can’t or won’t.
Much as I loved and would never have wished for a different outcome, probably would have been better for Evander’s development if the number he did on Cooke were done on him. Ideally by his coach.
It’s too obvious if versed in personality disorders that Avery would score higher than average on a number of categories. Probably some mixture of sociopath/psychopath/narcissist.
I prefer the tried and true category of wing-nut.
I don’t think Colorado will allow Tyson Barrie to get to arbitration. Patrick Roy may see him as a number 5 D, but his numbers over the past few seasons will mean a big raise by the Arbitrator. Colorado won’t pay that which means he’ll be a UFA, and Colorado loses him for nothing. If they can’t re-sign him he’ll be traded.
As much as it would shock me to see Barrie traded as I don’t think Colorado can afford to lose such a player; virtually irreplaceable, money is a factor & he could fall into the catagory of extenuating circumstances. I never thought Colorado would move a player like O’Reilly, 1 of the best 2 way centers in the entire NHL & still getting better, yet they did & for salary demand reasons so I agree with you it’s possibly although still unlikely.
Revenue is an issue in Colorado & they function on an internal budget which is odd, as E. Stanley Kroenke could afford to spend if so inclined but after losing 3.7 million in 2014-15, Colorado cut 5 million in salary for 2015-16. Attendance was up last season nominally & more revenue is coming from the national Canadian TV deal but with Mckinnon needing to be resigned there simply might not be enough money to resign both & 3 more players signed or promoted to flush out Colorado’s 23 man roster.
Losing Barrie & I don’t care who you get back in trade doesn’t make Colorado better as he’s not returning as good an asset at D. It’s very odd to see a deal like what Montreal just did flipping Subban for Weber. NJ moving Larson for Hall was a great trade for NJ looking at it 1 for 1 but the getting Hall for Larsson didn’t make NJ better, actually I would wager NJ is a far worse team next season. If not dead last in the east 2nd to last & in the bottom 3 in the entire NHL. You can’t win if you can’t stop the other team from scoring.
Poor Hall, he goes from 1 of the worst teams in the NHL his entire career; Edm, to another; NJ. He will help their offense but NJ losing it’s best defensive Dman isn’t going to help them win games. NJ’s D is beyond brutal. Easily the worst in the NHL & even with Hall at forward NJ is going to struggle to score goals. No team scored less last season than NJ’s 182.
Perhaps Hall is a step in the rebuild. He is young enough to take part in one.
n NJ? Now?
Other than a stellar goalie who’s #’s are taking a hit next season this maybe the wrost roster in the NHL on paper & the prospect kitty is pretty bare.
Hockey’s future has NJ ranked 27th in their prospect ranking. Other than Zacha & this years selections which are years away it’s pretty bleak. NJ is where Edm was 9 years ago.
Striker, your assessment of NJ is bang on. You have to feel bad for Hall. He will likely develop some bad habits again, trying to do it himself, because he will have to.
Heard an interesting discussion on Edmonton radio this AM between the host and Dreger.
The jist of it was that almost every GM had to know Hall was available for D. So maybe the question isn’t why did PC give up so much for Larsson, but why aren’t 29 other GM’s willing to give up more for Hall.
There seems to be a disconnect between what fans and media think Hall’s value is compared to what coaches and GM’s think his value is. They then brought up the not on Team Canada question again.
Interesting question – why?
Raybark.
Rumors were swirling about Hall as 1 of the players potentially having to be moved to get what Edm significantly needs. I assume Chiarelli exhausted any & all options. He’s been searching for 1 since he got there & his predecessors since Pronger left 9 years ago.
I assume this was the best option available & if so what choice did Chiarelli have. With Larsson Edm might be a playoff team. With out him they weren’t. Winning isn’t about any 1 player but team play, depth, balance, etc. Ovechkin is 1 of the best players in the world & certainly the greatest goal scorer of his generation. What has Washington accomplished? Come playoff time very little & that’s the best Washington team they have ever iced.
Ray Bark
I would think the answer to why no other GM made the trade for Hall has nothing to do with the Quality of player Hall is but more to do with the player needed to be given up to get Hall. In the end Edmonton did not get back a guaranteed top 2 all around solid D. They got a potential top 2, (in my opinion a pretty solid potential top 2). It looks to me like a top 2 wasn’t available for a forward.
I heard a quote the other day. Someone was quoted someone else. I don’t know the origin. 2nd hand quotes you see.
“It doesn’t matter who you trade. It matters what your team looks like after the trade.”
Sounds pretty solid of a quote to me.
Boys, I get what you guys are saying as I have said the same thing on this site numerous times. PC had to make that deal. As a D-man myself, I have a great appreciation for what a player like Larsson does. An unheralded but vitally important job if you want to win hockey games.I see him as Hamonic with a bigger upside.
All I was relaying was there seems to be a disconnect between what we the fans (and often the media as that is where we get plenty of info) value Hall at, and what NHL coaches and GM’s value him at. At least in this fine city of Edmonton.
I’d like to see Philly sign Pirri for 1 year at around 900K. Let him compete with Travis Konecny for a top 6 roster spot. Let the players sort it out in camp.
Better yet, sign Pirri cheaply, have Travis make the team and send Read to Leigh Valley. If he plys well down there, it’s possible someone trades for him or claims him off of waivers which solves the problem regardless. I love everything Hexy has done and I’m good with whatever he does, saying that; I like that Hudler is still sitting out there and have to think he’s asking price could be dropping by that day. If he signs a 1 year deal at 1.5 or less, could be a massive steal, he’s great at 5-on-5 scoring, which almost no other Flyer is.
Hudler would leave to play oversea’s before taking a deal at 1.5 for 1 year. That’s wishful thinking. I don’t like what Hextall has done. Weiss at 2.5 for 4 years & Gordon although less than a million for a #4 C, depth player is OK I guess, although I would prefer just to see a young player play preferably. Really just a depth move regardless. Neither of these moves made Philladelphia better but it’s a long summer.
With only 8 mil in cap space & Schenn looking at a significant raise, in or around 5 mil that doesn’t leave a ton of cap space to flush out Philadelphia’s 23 man roster. I assume Hextall will look to dump Streit’s contract on someone when able, possibly eating some salary or paying some form of enticement to get a team to take him off their books.
Kenn-I agree. If Koneckny has a great camp, Hextall will make room for him in the line up. If he doesn’t, he will be sent back to junior. They do have to make room for Provorov. on D. He is NHL ready and will be wasted in another year of Junior.
I think Provorov is a lock to play in the NHL next season. There appears to be room before Hextall figures out away to move Streit. His ELC fits well into the cap situation his abilities even more so.
@ Striker Crazier things have happened. Look at some legit…ish guys that had to go into camps last year on PTO’s. I think if you tell Hudler take a 1 year deal at 1.5, play with G and Voracek on the top line and if you play well i’ll reward you and if not me, another team will. Hudler plays LW/RW and I think using G & JV or G and Simmonds is a highly useful selling point. If Hextall signs another body in free agency, it’s clear Vessey can’r get done. If he doesn’t, maybe he believes that can happen and August 15th would be worth the wait. I like Gordon, he’s an excellent face-off guy and P Killer, young guys don’t usually step in an excel in those areas (minus Coots, but it’s rare). I like Weise, he’s fast with size, and can move around the top 9. He’s similar to Raffl I think, in size and line moving skills and Raff netted 21 goals the 1st year with alot of G & JV.
Provo will be on the roster for sure, Hextall has said he’d like to keep a $2 million cushion I assume to cover the rookie salaries of Travis and Ivan if I were to guess. Streit will go, even though he’s 38 and came over late so he doesn’t have the wear and tear of a long NHL career. I’m actually really interested to see what happens with the goaltending?, Mase and Mike are UFA’s after the season. I’d think Hexy will decide which guy is his guy during the year, trade the other in season for assests and come from there. Maybe neither guy is his guy long term and they go at Bishop next summer,I think Mason stays but who knows. This team is headed in a fantastic direction and 2016-17 may be that “one more year” of wait before Hextall really shapes things. They’ll have tons of guys coming off the books in 2017-2018, lots of young talent and G to lead the forwards, Ghost to lead the D. My family jokes that if you poke me, I bleed black and orange, so forgive me if I’m a little bias.
Someone will pay Hudler more.
Vessey is the hope. Hudler/Pirri would be plan B’s if they are still sitting out in the market in mid-August.
Kenn-Sanheim will be in the AHL next year. No way Hextall is rushing him. I agree Provorov is in the lineup. THe next up would be Sam Morin.
@ Scott…agreed. I think Brennan was signed yesterday to pair with Sanheim and bring him along. I also agree that Morin is the next of the young dmen who make the team after Provo. Hextall will need to move some dmen out, so Sam likely starts in Leigh Valley.
How about this. Colorado should consider firing Patrick Roy. He’s a moron who seems to hate all of his players
I think you would find a ton of support for that suggestion here.
It should happen but him and Sakic are too tight, it won’t happen. I don’t think Sakic is a good GM either. Sports often go the path that if you were a great/good player you’ll make an excellent executive. Gretzky among others proved that wrong not too mention how often are former back-up catchers the best coaches in baseball and 3rd pairing or bottom 6 type players the best NHL coaches. I just think those guys think the game better to stay around, absorb everything where as the skilled guys are so used to things just going their way they don’t gather/collect/process info the same way.
I’m not sure Sakic was solely responsible for Roy’s hiring. Having a coach that also carries the title of VP of hockey operations is not a positive scenario & an odd management structure. I’m not a Roy fan but the jury is still out on Sakic.
Colorado has drafted very well & is paying the price to develop these high draft picks. They aren’t rushing their high picks to the NHL even though they are starving for their skills. I guess as VP of Hockey operations Roy has had input to those selections as well but I don’t like Roy as a coach.
Note to Joe Sakic – keep Duchene; fire Roy. This has been a recording.
Well, perhaps almost all of his players. 🙂 He’s always been a fan of Nathon MacKinnon’s, ever since he coached against him in the QMJHL.
I have never heard Patrick Roy claim Barrie is a #5 Dman & if Stauffer is claiming such, it’s unfounded & irresponsible journalism. Barrie finished 3rd in TOI/GP for Colorado Dman, 0:15 less per game than Johnson at #2. He lead the team in PP TOI/GP, points for D, goals for D, 3rd for GWG’s; 5, on the entire team.
Graded against his peers, Barrie finished 29th in the entire NHL for TOI/GP, 13th for points, 15th for PP points, 15th for goals, & 4th for GWG’s. In his 1st 3 full seasons in the NHL Barrie sits 8th in points for all Dman, 8th for goals & 3rd for GWG’s.
Barrie turns 25 in late July & has 264 games on NHL experience & is already 1 of the 10 best offensive Dman in the entire NHL & will only get better. Still 2 years from being fully developed. Barrie will never be confused with Doughty, Suter, Keith, etc. but he’s no different than Shattenkirk, Yandle, Subban, etc. He’s not completely 1 dimensional but defense isn’t his strong suit. Like his points, which will continue to improve over the next 2 seasons, so will his defense, although he’ll never be even a solid 2 way Dman as he drives offense, that’s his role & with that your going to get caught out of position often.
Barrie may never be perceived as a true #1 but they are few, certainly not enough for ever team to have 1 but by #1 offensive Dman standards & a player that can & will log the most minutes on his team very soon he seriously helps Colorado win games.
It would shock me to see Barrie traded for reasons I have quoted about Dman constantly & based on his peers he should get a contract some where around Vatanen at 4.875 which was a slight discount & Krug at 5.25. These are similar comparables but both are better defensive players than Barrie but don’t have Barrie’s offensive abilities either & the NHL has a history of paying more for offense than defense with the odd exception.
Doing a quick search, it seems the “5th defenceman”comment originated from Terri Frei and Mike Chambers of the Denver Post on May 27. I don’t think Roy has said it himself.
Video here: http://www.denverpost.com/2016/05/27/will-the-avalanche-trade-defenseman-tyson-barrie/
Irresponsibly journalism. How anyone can imply Barrie is a #5 Dman is mind boggling. He is many things but a #5 Dman isn’t 1 of them.
When( not if ) he goes to arbitration he asks for an amount and the team asks to pay him an amount. I cant remember if they arbitrator chooses one of the two submitted amounts or can compromise and come up with a number of his own.
If the arbitrator chooses a side Barrie has to be careful he doesnt over or under sell himself. He could ask for 5 and possibly only get 4 if thats the way it works.
I smell bad blood already and it will only get worse if he is forced to take the lower amount.
It seems like similar issues have come up a number of times in COL – Statsny, ROR and now Barrie. I wonder if we start hearing issues with Mackinnon soon?
That # seems about right to me Striker, and yes Barrie will never be confused with a D-First player. What Mackenzie said on the radio here before Edmonton got Larsson was that Colorado was hard after Trouba because he brings that ability to defend. Unfortunately for Colorado, Edm, Bos, and whoever else was trying to pull Trouba out of Wpg, is that is exactly why Wpg doesn’t want to trade him.
Perhaps Roy and Sakic wanted him to focus on his defensive game and he couldn’t or wouldn’t. That would cause a rift. Although they took a hard money line with ROR who plays as good a 200′ game as any center not named Bergeron or Kopitar, so it kind of shoots that theory down.
Barrie is worth somewhere between 4.8 and 5.4. That is the market. Sakic and in particular Roy like it or not. I hope Tampa gets stuck with Bishop. I am sure a deal could have been done with Calgary at the draft (with 3 second picks). Bolts got greedy.
I don’t care if TB loses Bishop as a UFA following next season. His contract demands are hard for any team to justify in this cap world.
Come the trade dealine next season the take what they can get or keep him for their cup run & let him walk.
It’s worth it for the cap space alone.
Versteeg would be a pretty good pickup for the Sharks. Anybody like him, Tanguay or Hudler. They could probably use either one.
SJ is set at forward with the addition of Boedker. They need a back up goalie & once Nieto & Demelo are resigned they have their 23 man roster set for next season. With only $2,380,832 left in cap space to do so, it’s very tight in SJ cap wise.
Here’s how I currently see SJ’s forward group although SJ may have more C’s playing the wing than any other team in the NHL allowing for a ton of roster flexibility.
Hertl, Thornton, Pavelski.
Donskoi, Couture, Boedker.
Karlsson, Marleau, Ward.
Nieto, Tierny, Wingels.
Spare. Haley.
Where does Versteeg fit in & where does the money come from to potentially sign him?
In addition to that, part of that money has to go to a backup goalie.
I addressed the back up goalie need as well. I really like Enroth but may not be enough money to sign him.
They should trade Marleau to the Rangers for Nash. Nash might go & Marleau said the Rangers were one of the teams he’d accept a trade to. Yeah they need another goalie now but they might just call one up from the minors.
Did anyone like Liles any better than Seideneberg in Boston? Buying out Seideneberg & signing Liles at 2 million seems like a waste of time & money. Boston saves less than a million in cap space. Seidendberg, hits, block shots & doesn’t turn the puck over any where near as frequently as Liles. According to the NHL’s #’s Liles turned the puck over 12 times in 17 games in Boston, Seidenberg 24 times in 62. Not to mention Liles will be 36 in November! Better skater is about it but a disaster defensively.
Striker, the Seidenberg move is not related to Liles in any manner. It is simply a matter of Seidenberg having a NTC and the Bs being forced to protect him in the expansion draft. C. Miller would have been exposed if that happened.
NTC’s aren’t required to be protected just NMC’s which Seidenberg didn’t have. Swing & a miss.
Does anyone know if the buyout window next season will open 48 hours after the cup is awarded?
I stand corrected. I won’t defend Liles, nor will I defend Keven Miller. I will say the type of injury Seidenberg had two years ago is very much like Chris Kelly’s injury…..career ending. It is a testament to Seidenberg to play last year especially on the penalty kill. One million must have to do with the master plan of Don Sweeney, if not you are 100%. Swing and a miss but the catcher dropped the ball, safe at first.
I didn’t know that either.
As a Bruins fan I liked Seidenberg too. Dude was a warrior in the 2 finals runs. Perhaps his giveaways are so low because he never had the puck!
Just seemed like a weird swap to me. Given a choice of Seideneberg or Liles I take Seidenberg. Prfer neither but would have waited a year to buy Seidenberg out. That is if Buyouts are allowed next summer with expansion looming. I assume they will be just a question of when before or after the expansion draft.
@Striker-Don’t get to cocky with your “swing and miss” comment. As you definitely struck out on your PK Subban will never be traded comments.
No as they got a #1 Dman back & frankly they got the better Dman. We will see how age comes into play as Weber approaches the end of his contract. I didn’t expect Subban to be traded, Weber either for that matter. The fact they were swapped for each other is bizarre to say the least but my comments are about Dman being moved for assets at other positions. Subban nor Webber are being moved for forwards unless confronted with no choice.
Swing & a miss was meant to be humorous. Obviously you didn’t take it as such. I guess I should have put in a Ha-ha!
As I said the other Day when selecting players to play for Canada who gets selected? in 2014 Subban made it at the #8 spot played 2 games. Weber played the 2nd most & finished 2nd in scoring for Canada & only had nominally less mionutes than Doughty.
Given a choice of Weber or Subban I take Weber every time as does virtually every NHL executive who when confronted with the choice for team Canada has selected & played Weber as a top 2 Dman. Especially with Nashville on the hook for the cap recovery penalties.
Weber has already collected 56 million of his 110 million in the 1st 4 years of his deal. He is owed 54 mil over the next 10 years. Subban is owed 56 over the next 6?
A very weird trade.
Holy smokes…lol what a load
I hope someone with real mentoring ability takes on Evander Kane: hate to se that talent so wasted…..but he needs a coach like Mike Johnson of the Pens or Babcock….there is clearly word out on Taylor Hall, and whether true or not, that word is “not a team player”…but he has the kind of talent that might be great in the East , just not with NJ..Hall is a Habs kind of talent! And as for Patrick Roy-isn’t it more or less true that star players like Ropy seldom make good coaches..he is temperamental, hat modern players want to play for….
George did you get a chance to see any of Ottawa’s prospect development camp?
There were rumours Hall was a party guy so he had to be moved. Nobody has verified that formally.
If the Oilers still are looking for defense they should look at guys like TJ Brennan or other guys that have experience in the AHL that could start as a #5. Some players are better in the NHL than the AHL because the talent is better and they think on that level.
Kane needs to grow up. The writer is right he needs the proper type of coach and good veteran leadership on the team he goes to. Maybe the Sharks or Pit could deal with that.
Avery strikes me as a guy is struggling with some inner demons so he either needs to get attention or victimize someone else. These demons can be a number of different problems but I wont speculate because that just starts more rumours.
If Roy considered Barrie a #5 he would have been traded by now and it sure wouldn’t be for RNH.
Hall was considered a leader in that (losing) dressing room. My belief is Chiarelli wanted partly to change up the leadership in there. There will now be guys like McDavid, Nurse, Draisaitl and so forth moving this team forward.
Oilers can’t afford to trade like that yet again but must wait until the next shoe drops. It’s obvious D-men are at a premium and not many are available. If opportunity arise and a top 4 D could be had, Oilers should be all over it.
Personalities like Kane can’t be remedied easily. Stuff like that must be spotted early when drafting or trading. It could take another 25 years before Kane “gets it”. I’ve seen examples of that myself from the music business.
“Inner demons” is a very benign way to describe Avery’s antics. Since years ago, I’ve gotten pretty well versed in personality disorders and their studies. I’ve seen my share of Avery interviews. Avery would probably score significantly higher than average for psychopathic (probably also narcissistic) behavior. (how high, nobody knows) A lot of details about him and how he behaves are pretty much textbook material in this area.
As been mentioned in this forum-many times defenceman are at a premium. That is why I cant understand how every leaf fan believes the leafs made the correct choice in taking Marner over Hannifan/Provorov. The way I see it……Big Mistake
At the time i said it was a mistake and still think it is the leafs not taking dmen will haunt them like what happened to the oilers
I hear what your saying Scott but passing up on Marner…hard to not take him with all his skill. Also when you look at organizational depth the Leafs have some good promising D prospects but no one as good as Hanifan and Provorov. Werenski is also going to be a stud from the same draft.
Rielly is the closest thing they have to a future stud, remember he is only 22. But it sure be nice if they had a nice up and comer 18-20 years old.
@yankee besides Reilly the leafs defense and prospects are pretty weak some might turn out but you never know with prospects
I agree for the most part. It’s a lot of tradition in drafting the high scoring winger from juniors for GMs. They haven’t adjusted yet, which you could potentially prey upon. If looking at pure odds for a d-man or a forward to pan out from the first round, you stand a much greater chance of hitting on a pick for a d-man. Less d-men are selected in the first round, but the chance of hitting on one of them is significantly greater if looking at pure chance. In my opinion GMs are valuing wingers too high in drafts. They should go for C, then D, and only then wingers. It would make the most sense in the long run. Nobody scores in this league anyway. The game is positional and strategic and thus should be drafted that way.
That’s a good way of looking at it denne
with the Ducks having 6 signed DMen already why couldn’t they work out a deal with the Bruins for Hampus Lindholm
All these negative remarks regarding Hall’s Character are completely unfounded and just the work of those who are trying to make the trade seem less lopsided.
Chi signs Tootoo. Wish it was Pirri. I think Pirri has the potential to fit in 2nd to 4th line. Cost would have been about the same.
Quincey could end up in Detroit again if he isnt signed by 7/15. They don’t need him, they shouldn’t pay him, but every season they keep a known quantity that could easily go elsewhere. They have lots of injury problems this decade and it’s easier to sign the back up now and juggle your 2-way desks than to try to find a Quincey level player mid – season. With enough injuries your ahl team ends up playing anyway as Detroit has proven repeatedly. He’s a good pick mover and has improved defensively and he’s less a liability than green. However, no upside. Someone else could come for Quincey but don’t be surprised to see him in the winged wheel again.
I hate text correction.
Ps: I’m still happy about out guessing you about Chelios going to Detroit… That was a long time ago…
Just look at Helm and Miller. Of course Holland would be willing to bring QUincey back. Should he? Absolutely not, but there’s always a chance. This off-season has been a wreck for Detroit, why should it turn around now? They need to trade for a better DMan, but doing nothing and signing Quincey is such a Ken Holland move that it is bound to happen.