Updates on Rieder, Trouba & Kucherov – September 29, 2016

by | Sep 29, 2016 | Rumors | 62 comments

The agent for Arizona Coyotes winger Tobias Rieder requests a trade for his client.

The agent for Arizona Coyotes winger Tobias Rieder requests a trade for his client.

The latest on restricted free agents Tobias Rieder, Jacob Trouba & Nikita Kucherov in your NHL rumor mill. 

ARIZONA SPORTS: Craig Morgan reports agent Darren Ferris, who represents Arizona Coyotes winger Tobias Rieder, believes it’s best for his client if he was traded. Rieder, a restricted free agent, seeks a two-year contract worth $2.5 million per season, while the Coyotes are standing firm on their two-year proposal worth $2.2 million annually. Coyotes GM John Chayka, however, claims the club won’t trade Rieder, who is currently skating for Team Europe in the World Cup of Hockey. Ferris said he’ll now shift his attention to two offers from KHL clubs. 

TSN:  Bob McKenzie tweets Rieder faces four options. He can accept the Coyotes offer, ask for a trade, play in the KHL or withhold his services. 

SPECTOR’S NOTE: Being unwilling to budge on a gap of only $300K seems ridiculous. Surely there’s some middle ground here that can be reached by both parties. $2.35 million would be sensible.

SPORTSNET: Luke Fox lists the Boston Bruins, Detroit Red Wings, Arizona Coyotes, Toronto Maple Leafs, New York Rangers, New Jersey Devils and Edmonton Oilers as potential trade destinations for Winnipeg Jets defenseman Jacob Trouba. He speculates blueliner Torey Krug would likely have to be part of the return from the Bruins, or perhaps a prospect such as Jakub Zboril or Charlie McAvoy, while the Wings might have to give up Danny DeKeyser. 

The Coyotes have depth in young forwards to offer and Martin Hanzal is a year away from UFA status. Fox suggests the Leafs dangle defenseman Jake Gardiner with a young forward, while the Rangers could conceivably offer either Marc Staal or Dan Girardi along with Brady Skjei. 

The Devils have left-handed shots in John Moore and Jon Merrill but they’d have to give up more than that to the Jets. Fox suggests Oilers blueliner Oscar Klefbom could be what the Jets seek, at least on paper. 

TORONTO SUN: Michael Traikos includes the Buffalo Sabres and Vancouver Canucks, along with the Leafs, Bruins, Red Wings and Devils, on his list of teams that might have interest in Traikos. He feels the Jets could be looking at Sabres RFA defenseman Rasmus Ristolainen, while it could cost the Canucks promising blueliner Olli Juolevi to land Trouba. He doesn’t see the Canucks doing that. 

Traikos also speculates Bruins prospects Zboril or McAvoy could interest the Jets, along with perhaps goalie Malcolm Subban to provide even more depth in goal. He also suggest Gardiner from the Leafs in a package deal that also includes a lottery-protected first-round pick or a top prospect like William Nylander. From the Wings, he also thinks Danny DeKeyser would have to be part of the package, while the Devils might have to part with Pavel Zacha and perhaps goalie prospect Mackenzie Blackwood. 

TSN 1200 (via TODAY’S SLAPSHOT): Darren Dreger reports the Red Wings discussed a trade offer for Trouba with the Jets this summer. It consisted of two of the Wings higher-level forwards, which GM Ken Holland was unwilling to stomach. Dreger also said he’d be shocked if New York Islanders GM Garth Snow didn’t discuss the possibility of swapping Travis Hamonic for Trouba months ago, though it obviously didn’t seem to come together. 

SPECTOR’S NOTE: The Jets current asking price is a left-handed defenseman with comparable age, skills and experience for Trouba. That’s going to be tough to find. Of course, things can change if this drags into November and the Jets get desperate to move Trouba before the Dec. 1 deadline to re-sign him. 

I don’t see the Sabres and Canucks making a pitch for Trouba. The Sabres want to get Ristolainen re-signed while the Canucks lack the assets to get him. The Coyotes have depth in good young forwards, but that doesn’t address the Jets current asking price. Forget about them offering Oliver Ekman-Larsson, that’s just not gonna happen. 

I don’t see the Jets having interest in Girardi or Staal, and I doubt either guy will waive their no-trade clauses to go to Winnipeg.I think the Oilers want to keep Klefbom and don’t see them being keen to give up Nurse, so there might not be a fit there.

If the Bruins are willing to move Krug and the Wings to move DeKeyser, the Jets could listen. However, I think those clubs prefer adding Trouba without giving up another skilled d-man in return. If the Leafs offered Gardiner plus someone like Nylander, that might tempt the Jets, but I don’t see the Leafs giving up a top young prospect as part of the return, and I don’t think Gardiner on his own is enough.

Hamonic rescinded his trade request and is happy to stay with the Isles. Snow thinks quite highly of him so I doubt he’ll revisit any talk of swapping Hamonic for Trouba. 

TSN 690 (via TODAY’S SLAPSHOT): Bob McKenzie suggests Tampa Bay Lightning winger Nikita Kucherov could present a golden opportunity for a rival club to sign the restricted free agent to an offer sheet. Matching it would create a significant salary-cap headache for the Lightning. They must also re-sign forward Jonathan Drouin, Tyler Johnson and Ondrej Palat next summer, as they’ll also be RFAs. 

SPECTOR’S NOTE: First, Kucherov must be willing to entertain offer sheets from rival clubs. If he’s not, then it’s a waste of time. If he is, however, there really aren’t many teams that could afford a massive offer to him. Only eight teams (Calgary, Anaheim, Buffalo, Edmonton, Winnipeg, Florida, New Jersey and Carolina) have over $7 million in cap room for the upcoming season.

Calgary, Anaheim and Buffalo have significant RFA stars of their own to re-sign, so rule them out. Edmonton, Winnipeg and Florida have depth in star wingers and thus no reason to pursue Kucherov. The Devils could certainly use Kucherov, but defense seems more of a concern. The Hurricanes definitely need scoring depth, but their main area of concern is at center, not on the wings. So I don’t see anyone pitching an offer sheet to Kucherov. 







62 Comments

  1. “Only eight teams (Calgary, Anaheim, Buffalo, Edmonton, Winnipeg, Florida, New Jersey and Carolina) have over $7 million in cap room for the upcoming season.”

    I notice that that notorious “budget” tea,, the Senators, is no among them.

    • The sames budget does not match the cap as they took on cap hits like Phaneuf because the actual dollar that the player makes is far less. Since the Sens are a budget team they are able to take on front loaded contracts that another team has already paid the loaded first portion much like another budget team down in Arizona.

      • Let’s not forget that Ottawa also unloaded significant monies in Cowen, Michalek, Greening both last season & this year.

        Ottawa’s done a good job of icing a competitive team building a solid foundation on a limited budget & I like most Ottawa fans wish Melnyk would open the pursue strings more but I get it.

        I really wish Ottawa had signed a #5/6 Dman like Seidenberg or Quincey. Other than Russell who’s not coming that cheap the UFA cupboard is now bare.

      • This morning in the Sun are these lines on the article dealing with the Sens’ 4-3 OT win over Montreal (while being outshot 41-19):

        “Then again, Bartkowski wasn’t alone on the Senators shaky defence. It was also a particularly rough night for Mark Borowiecki, who struggled with the Canadiens speed all night, repeatedly giving the puck away. After an awful second period turnover to Artturi Lehkonen, the crossbar saved Borowiecki and O’Connor. In the third, Borowiecki went down hard after losing an edge and being checked into the boards by the Canadiens’ Greg Pateryn. Borowiecki briefly left the game, favouring his shoulder.”

        If they keep Bartkowski and play Borowiecki a lot then Sens fans (and their goalies) had better be prepared for lots of rubber aimed at their net. Dorion HAS to make some kind of move to shore up that 5/6 pairing.

  2. I mentioned the other day about Gardiner, kappy,2nd +a d prospect, again Gardiner is not a top pairing guy,but a #4sure and good contract! Lh,so I see a fit,but contract wise for Trouba? Detroit my bet!or how about ottawa for Ceci? Or is that just a side way move?…

    • Dorion wouldn’t commit to a bit more than $1 mil for Seidenberg or Quincey as 1-year stop-gaps in the 5/6 role, so i can’t see him giving himself apoplexy over a protracted contract hassle with Trouba and his agent who somehow think that, because Holland over-paid for deKyser, Winnipeg (or any other team) should do likewise for him. Besides, Ceci was just signed to a friendly bridge deal so that ain’t gonna happen.

      • Perhaps Ottawa offered Seideneberg more money & opportunity than NYI but he choose NYI regardless & we never heard that Ottawa was even considering Quincey although we certainly discussed them targeting both.

        I’m disappointed Ottawa didn’t sign at least 1 of these options if not both. I don’t see how Ottawa can make the playoffs with Wideman, Boroweicki, Kostka & potentially Chabot as their 5 through 8 Dman. The only hope is if Chabot is a revelation can play as the #5 in or around 15 to 17 mins a night. That’s not impossible but a huge burden to put on a 19 year old rookie Dman. Here’s hoping he can.

    • I like Ceci better than Trouba. He has been brought along far slower in a more sheltered role which really helps the business side of the game & better serves the teams financial needs. Next summer when Ceci has advanced nominally Ottawa can lock him up for 6 to 8 years at or near 5 mil & have a solid future top 2 Dman locked up long term for a great cap hit.

      • Not me…Ceci seems like he flat lined, and is not all that good at reading the ice in his defensive zone…

      • Ceci just turned 22 in December. He has 2 & a 1/2 years of NHL experience. Years of growth & development ahead of him. Most NHL Dman have barely made it to the NHL by this age nor have any where near 205 games of NHL regular season experience. Only the best get this chance & even then teams only expose them if they have little other choice. Ceci’s career has been played so far on a bad to average team at best.

        I watch Ottawa play often. I like the team & even though a Bruins fan 1st I have numerous other teams I watch consistently. Part of living on the road 80% of the hockey season. Spend to much time in arenas, restaurants & bars.

        Ceci’s role & responsibilities have increased each season since entering the NHL. Played as a #6 Dman in year 1, seeing zero power play time & 2nd line penalty killing minutes. In year 2 moved into the #4 slot, taking on minor power play opportunities & moving into 2nd line penalty killing role almost 1st unit, taking 8 seconds less in SH TOI/GP than Gryba at #2. Last year he maintained his #4, 3 before Phaneuf’s arrival but lost his power play time & assumed 1st unit penalty killing minutes.

        No Ottawa regular Dman started more of his shifts in the D zone than Ceci at 45.3%. Ceci is a stud in the making. Really no different than a Trouba, Maatta, Lindholm etc. His opportunities have just come at a slower pace than theirs but rest assured he will be at least a solid #2 2 way Dman when he hits 26 & may have #1 potential.

    • I think that would be getting to the overpay dept. If Kapenan and Gardiner were not enough, I would carry on with the rebuild. TO does not need to overpay, it is not Oiler country. Haha

    • Ceci is on the right. Winnipeg wants a lefty

  3. George where the hell are you?I need your a pinion!…dam it!

  4. Also if the leafs were to look into a defenceman trade,then lindholm would be my target!Nylander +1st,a d prospect or jvr+1st+ a d prospect? Doubt they would!but I would definitely give aneheim a call!

    • I really like Nylander and all but the Ducks should fire Murray right away if he gave up Lindholm for A pick and a couple prospects.

  5. Although I don’t see Carolina putting in an offer sheet for Kucherov as they have serious revenue issues & simply can’t afford Kucherov, there C situation is fine. Rask & Staal are 1, 2 & McClement is #4. I assume it’s time for Lindholm to move to C full time either on the 2nd or 3rd line.

    The Nordstrom, Staal, Nestrasile line played extremely well together last season when together & has the makings of a perfect 3rd line. Staal moving to the #1 PP unit helping his offensive production & points.

    Nordsrton, Teravainen & Aho could all play C if needed due to injuries.

    Carolina also appears to have found a diamond in the rough in Poturalski signed as a UFA out of the University of New Hampshire. He may be NHL ready by January, certainly next season & Roy a 4th round pick in 2015 is starting to fill out his massive frame & showing signs of dominating the Q with his size & skill.

    I see something like this in Carolina this season. Teravainen & or Aho can play right or left wing so feel free to swap them if you prefer.

    Skinner, Rask, Teravainen.
    Aho, Lindholm, Stempniak.
    Nordstrom, Staal, Nestrasil.
    Bickell, McClement, Stalberg.

    • Striker you forgot Brock McGinn..he is there all day long and I have him ranked in top 10 rookies over all.

      • I have Di Giuseppe ahead of him but neither are suited to the role of 13th forward & both have waiver rights. I assume Ryan will be the spare.

        Di Giuseppe & Mcginn will have to wait for injuries to get their opportunity to play. Both should see 30 to 40 NHL games this year baring a trade. Carolina isn’t going to pay Bickell 4 mil to play in the minors. He won’t play 82 games even if healthy so both those 2 players will see their opportunities.

        With Stempniak; 2 years & Stalberg; 1 year, brought in, Francis is buying more development time for his prospects. Never a bad thing.

      • On Carolina or in the NHL?

    • I agree with all of your comments and line combinations. I will add that the Staal line will probably end up with the most minutes since Peters matches them up against opponent’s top line whenever he has the opportunity.

      I would be completely be surprised if the Hurricanes ever sign another RFA offer sheet, even if they have the revenue.

  6. I agree with Lyle comments; but find it funny that no one wants to give up what they got to get Trouba. Agree it makes no sense to trade a top pairing rfa dman to get an rfa dman of equal or slightly better or worse dman. Boston cupboards for in coming dman prospects are loaded and should be the bruins strong suit in a few season. I don’t want to see the bruins give up Zboril or McAvoy and Krug is a necessary asset the bruins presently don’t have. I would rather see Boston offer Mcquaid and one of the other d prospect; C.Miller, Morrow, Lauzon, Carlo (maybe not I like him) O’Gara. This would give the jets a dman to replace Trouba in the lineup, while developing a potential permanent replacement.

    • Only issue is that Winnipeg’s D drops off so significantly after Enstrom at the #4 spot Winnipeg can’t afford to wait for the D asset to develop. They need to replace Trouba’s role & minutes now.

      This is Trouba’s leverage & as much as I begrudge his choice, it’s his right under the CBA to with hold his services if so inclined & I would argue that his leverage in this situation, although limited, puts Winnipeg in a terrible spot. Not a hope Winnipeg can make the playoffs with out Trouba unless someone can step in off the bench or a prospect like Morrissey can help significantly. Perhaps Morrissey & Postma combined can some how replace what’s lost with Troubs until it’s resolved.

      With this situation I have bumped Winnipeg down to spots in my standings projections giving them little to no hope of making the playoffs unless this gives before Winnipeg plays it’s 12th game of the season.

    • I agree—the bruins passed up on Bellows, Fabro, Chechuryn to select McAvoy, I cannot see them giving him up for Trouba..there are better assets and options that giving up on someone compared to a Doughty for someone who isn’t.
      As for Carlo–Bruins should keep him as with Chara, Sieds being off the books and ice from now till 2018, having a stud like Carlo should provide a better D than the last couple of years. I would suggest if they want Trouba, provide a Subban and #1 pick and possibly a DeBrusk, and get a Trouba and a second rounder in return.

      • Why would Winnipeg want Subban? In Hellybuyck they have 1 of the best young goalies in the game who before the season ends will be Winnipeg’s #1 for the foreseeable future.

        Where does Subban fit in?

      • Bruins have depth at the position in Providence and the Jets do not. You can never have to many from a goal-tending standpoint.

      • Pavelic will be a UFA after the season, I see him being cut in trade by the deadline Hellebuyuck assuming the starters role, Hutchinson backing him up. They have Comrie & Phillips just finished his senior year at Michigan Tech.

        With expansion looming Hutchinson will be exposed as required under the expansion rules, Comrie & Philips both being exempt. Depending upon if Winnipeg protects 8 skaters & a G or 7F, 3D & a G will determine if they lose Hutchinson.

        If they move Trouba & don’t take back a player requiring him to be protected in expansion I assume they use the 7F, 3D & a G option. If Trouba is still on the books or they take back a D that requires protecting unless Enstrom waives his NMC the 8 skater formula. Hutchinson is exposed in either scenario & if Winnipeg uses the 7F, 3D & a G he would be the best player available.

        That would make Hellebuyuck & Comrie the goalies in Winnipeg next season, if not Hellebuyuck & Hutchinson.

        No need for Subban a G that has to be protected or exposed.

  7. The Trouba situation again stresses how this so many NHL clubs are as far as ACTUALLY HAVING top four plus depth.
    You can type in the name of ANY defenseman drafted fairly early in the draft, and who has never seen a game in the minors, a player whose projected talent and drafted position was telling the team on the job train him. When they reach that RFA where they can either get bridged or look for bushels of cash, their parent teams look for new homes for them – any you know what? Usually they never fufill their promise with the second club in the way the original club expected his to develop into. Let’s use Zach Bogosian … was so promising with peterborough…gets drafted, never catches on to all the nuances of the defenseive zone. Wants boatloads – gets moved, never reaches the initial projected high threshold.
    The thing is Trouba doesn’t look to me like a guy on the road to failure and that is the rub fro Chevy & the Jets…few fits iniside their parameters (that are insurance against the team moving backward w/o a capable replacement.

    • Teams just don’t have comparable replacements waiting to seamless fill the positions of deemen departing by way of traded. So you have Subban for Weber, no forwards.
      It appears that a team would have to give really good promising forwrad to acquire a really good upcoming Trouba.

      • seamless = seamlessly
        by way of traded = by way of trades
        forwrad = forward

        Just a bit of quid pro quo Bill.

      • Hahahahaha

        If I get held to account for what my phone or computer decides to spell, or I for that matter, I’m in serious trouble. Although a chemical engineer I failed every spelling test I ever took & before spell checker, I carried a thing called 20,000 words every where I went.

      • George, that WAS ME, correcting my OWN spelling errors.

    • Injuries have some what derailed Bogosian’s career & hampered his development. He went on a tear down the stretch. Late bloomer like say a B. Schenn at forward? I want to see what Bogosian achieves this year before I completely write him off.

      But I hear you. 1 of my biggest disappoints ever is Jason Botterill now the associate GM in Pittsburgh. So much promise, size & skill coming out of University. Just couldn’t put it together at the NHL level.

  8. The FORWARD must be more SPECIAL than the chance the defender does alos become really good.
    Defenders just have more value if they has shown they can do the job, continue to imrove and they are mopre valuable than forwards.

    • All true Bill, except for the fact Larsson nor Hall were asking for a trade. The determining factor here is will Trouba sit out the year? Will Winnipeg be willing to do without the asset or replacement in the lineup. For what its worth Bogo issues are two fold. Injuries and hockey sense. As I use to say he likes to go where the play is at not where its going. Those who look at Trouba numbers from the last two season see a decline in production and don’t blame Stewart who average 5:30 less a game then Trouba; but, with that said Trouba defensive game has improved every year. Just tought to get equal value when your guy demand a trade.

      • I think the best solution to trade trouba for a young lh d would be a 3way deal, such as trouba for fowler and then trouba to a team loaded in good young lw/forward that needs defense

  9. I wonder if Winnipeg said no to Taylor Hall for Trouba,

    I suppose if someone was to offer sheet Trouba now they would almost be doing the jets a favor if Winnipeg matched.

    I assume Snow wanted more then just Trouba coming back for Hamonic and thats why that deal wasn’t made.

    My guess is he is moved before the end of training camp, I don’t think Winnipeg wants this hanging over their heads for the first 2 months of the season.

    I think Edmonton overpays to get him and includes 2017 1st rounder.

    • RFA offer sheets are eceptionally rare & with the new rule implemented in the last CBA; 2012-13, of monies having to be amortized over 5 years regardless of if the term is 6 or 7 years, makes offer sheeting this type or asset/player virtually impossible.

      http://www.puckmeplease.com/restricted-free-agent-offer-sheets/

    • that’s exactly why trouba would not sign a offer sheet with Winnipeg. They would match and his trade leverage is gone.

      • meant sign an offer sheet with another team

  10. I hope Trouba situation is rectified immediately but somehow I think it may drag on and on and on and maybe up to Dec 1…. Just to show who is boss. This will give Josh Morrisey an opportunity and if successful will support patience.

  11. Chevy has been pretty shrewd in his dealings so far. He won the Ladd trade and the Kane trade, the latter by a lot. Just the fact that Trouba at this stage of his career is available, for whatever reason, would scare me as a GM bidding for him. It’ll be shocking to me if someone over pays for Trouba.

  12. NO ONE WANTS DAN GIRARDI! Not in a trade or for free or even if the Rangers paid the other team a salary for taking him. He is not getting them Trouba if with Sjei or however they spell the word shay

    • I drafted Skjei in my 1st fantasy keeper league draft Monday night. 20 teams 12 keepers each, 2 C, LW, RW, D & a G plus 3 players of your choice. 240 players deep just in keepers. Not for the faint of heart or uniformed. Drafting players most people have never heard of.

      We use CBS which is brutal as there player positions from the Elias Sports Bereau suck & for RW’s there are virtually none as so many are shown as C’s. Then we draft 12 more players each, 24 man rosters, dress 14 weekely 3 C. LW, RW, 4 D & 1 G. Play head to head weekly 4 games a week.

      I took Skjei in the 10th round 194th or 434th overall if you prefer. Here’s hoping he sticks with NYR all year & makes some form of contribution. He sure looked good in the playoffs & appears to be a lock to start his NHL career full time.

      My picks.

      1st round; 14th, Williams Was RW. 2nd; 34th, C. Wilson Nas LW; not much better than RW for depth & players available. 3rd; 54th, J. Hayes Bos RW. 4th; 66th, J. Johnson CLB D. 5th; 94th, Orlov Was D. 8th; 145th, Wideman Cal D. 8th; 154th; Janmark Dallas C; should be a LW, hoping he moves to LW next season. 9th; 174th, C. Miller Bos D. 10th; 181st; Lehkonen Mtl; hoping LW not yet in CBS system. 10th; 194th, Skjei NYR D. 11th; 204th, Motte Chi C; should be a LW or RW but not. 11th; 214th, Goldobin SJ RW.

      Didn’t go fully as hoped & being a cup contender I don’t take many chances, just draft solid depth veterans & trade out of it to buy upgrades, even if nominal.

  13. Final PFL team to start the season. This basic team won it’s division last season & made the conference finals. Lundqvist’s play down the stretch killed me from Feb 17th through March 6th. Only played 6 games posting 3 wins & 3 loses; 9 points, with no shut outs, Raanta getting 4 starts in that time frame. Lost by 2 points. The other team had home ice advantage which provides 5 bonus points.

    C. Giroux, Couture, M. Koivu, Janmark, Motte.
    LW. Jokinen, Marleau, Perron, Wilson, Lehkonen?
    RW. Simmonds, Jagr, Williams, Stafford, Hayes, Goldobin.
    D. Ellis, GARDINER; yes I believe in his offensive abilities, 48th best in our pool last season, J.Johnson, Wideman, Orlov, C. Miller, Skjei.
    G. Lundqvist.

    All offense leagues. 1 point for a goal, 1 for an assist, 1 bonus points for goal by D & PPG by any player, 2 bonus points for SHG’s or OTG’s. Goalies 3 for a win & 2 for a shut out in this pool.

    9 teams don’t have 3 RW’s that can contribute in any way at their #3 spot some even their #2. 4 teams with the same issues at LW. I need D badly but will have to wait it out for 2 or 3 weeks after the season starts until their desperation starts to kick in & then cut a RW & a lesser D for a significant upgrade. LW is old & ugly but in our points system Jokinen finished 11th & Marleau 13th for scoring at LW & like RW it is a graveyard.

  14. I see shades of the Vesey saga starting to ruminate here! When he is traded maybe we should all talk about it then.

  15. Curious to see how Yzerman is solving this seasons cap issues. Callahan will be going on LTIR eventually providing some relief but why Yzerman signed Coburn when he did at 3 years for 3.7 per or locking up Killorn at 4.45 for 7 years when he was a pending RFA before locking up Kucherov seems very odd.

    I appreciate Coburn is their #1 penalty killing Dman but really a luxury as he plays 6th on the depth slot in TOI/GP & doesn’t really play any other difficult minutes nor go up against the other teams best forwards at even strength.

    The clock is ticking & TB has enough depth they can ride it out till a solution can be found but still seems like questionable player personnel decisions & asset management. Odd for Yzerman.

  16. If EDM wouldn’t part with Nurse to get Trouba they must be morons. It’s a good deal for both sides. EDM wants to win now. Trouba upgrades a weak right side in exchange for a D-man wpg should want that oilers have abundance of. Of course because nobody ever really tells the fanbase what’s going on we can only assume by twitter and sites like these saying EDM would give nurse or klefbom. Maybe Nurse was offered straight up and wpg says throw in the 2017 1st then EDM laughs. Who knows

    • Trouba and a first for Nurse? Am I reading this right???

      • That’s as bad as gardener and kapenan!!

      • No! He’s saying Nurse and a 1st for Trouba!

  17. I assume if Edm would part with Nurse for Trouba Edm pays a premium of some nature. Having already expended Hall to get Larsson, paying another significant premium to secure another Dman seems unlikely. Not impossible just unlikely.

    Edm is very high on both Nurse & Klefbom & moving either of these Dman who aren’t yet Trouba although both are at various stages of their development & only 2 or 3 years behind Trouba in their development respectively who knows which of these 3 Dman will be the better player down the road & over their careers.

    Moving Nurse & something for Trouba has merit. The question is what is that something?

  18. Nurse is a 7th overall pick and an tough defenceman with just as much offence upside …… I Would not .At best a straight up deal for Trouba, but why….. Maybe he should go to STL, the….. ” Show Me State”

  19. I wouldn’t add a 1st either even lottery protected & Edm doesn’t currently have a 2017 2nd. maybe a 2018 2nd or even a 3rd next year?

    Considering Trouba’s potentially salary demands it’s more than just about the player as an asset. Salary & cap hit are significant factors in a players value at point of trade.

    See Hall for Larsson to some extent.

    • Don’t forget the expansion draft implications for the team that lands him.

  20. Ya Gardiner and a prospect sure seems outlandish…did you read the article above bbb? Ove said a bunch of times now that it may not be enough but that’s all I think Trouba is worth a top 4 left D and a prospect (I wouldn’t lose any sleep over it if it wasn’t enough) Its not like Chevy has a whole bunch of leverage and I wouldn’t sell the farm for a kid who is demanding to be paid like a top pair guy when he hasn’t proved that he is one yet.
    Dion Phaneuf was a Norris candidate at Troubas age got a big 6 million dollar deal and had top pair potential…how did that work out? I don’t think you over pay for maybes and excuse me if I don’t believe a guy who can’t counts eye test.

  21. I’d probably trade zboril for Trouba. I’m a Sens fan so colour me biased but when both Chabot and Zboril were playing on the Sea dogs the last year. Zboril got more fan fare due to the flash of his offensive game and he was ranked higher by pretty much every svout. but I always thought the Sens got the better Sea Dog when they picked up Chabot to my delight and surprise.

  22. A chemical engineer by day, a demographics expert by night?

  23. Some of these proposed trades do not make sense to me. The guy is a first round draft choice that is showing potential. A realistic trade would be a first round pick or equivalent prospect plus a good prospect to reflect on where the first round pick is in the first round plus another prospect or pick depending on how the market drives up the price?

    Moving a Krug or Gardner plus a first round pick defeats the purpose of trading for Trouba? Why would I trade one of my top four dmen just to replace him with a right-handed top four guy? Winnipeg better expect to get forwards or picks and prospects?

  24. No way does NJD give up Zacha & Blackwood

  25. Quick notes

    Rieder
    sign the contract boy it aint worth the hassle over the close amount

    Kucherov
    Do something soon Yzerman or he’s gone KHL. He has given you this much time Stevie so dont blow it.

    Trouba
    Another KHL player ?? Clearly you are not getting future studs ( hey everyone id, therer are no bombs ,they are all guaranteed greatness according to everyone lol ) And your not going to find equal value ….offer him one more deal or let him rot Chevy.

  26. Moving Krug for Trouba would be about getting younger and bigger without much drop off initially and adding much more upside and a longer period of prime years (6 year deal on Trouba expires before he turns 30, Krugs next deal if for six years takes him well into his 30s and at a much higher price).

    I posted yesterday the Bs should alos look into a bigger deal and tray and land Bryan Little for Krejci. A bit younger, a bit cheaper, a bit more durable about the same production but Little provides more flexibility to use in the bottom 6 or on the wing if Spooner keeps developing.

    • So, with those differences (not to mention Krejci’s brittleness) why on earth would the jets do that?