NHL Rumor Mill – December 23, 2016

by | Dec 23, 2016 | Rumors | 79 comments

Teams seeking a good young defenseman could still have interest in Winnipeg Jets blueliner Jacob Trouba.

List of potential trade candidates, update on the Coyotes and the latest on Benoit Pouliot in your NHL rumor mill. 

ESPN.COM: Craig Custance compiles his “All-Trade-Candidates team,” consisting of Pittsburgh Penguins goaltender Marc-Andre Fleury, St. Louis Blues defenseman Kevin Shattenkirk and Winnipeg Jets blueliner Jacob Trouba, Colorado Avalanche center Matt Duchene, Detroit Red Wings right wing Gustav Nyquist and Toronto Maple Leafs left wing James van Riemsdyk. 

Custance speculates Penguins general manager Jim Rutherford will try to move Fleury well before the trade deadline for a return that bolsters his depth elsewhere in the roster. 

SPECTOR’S NOTE: I expect Rutherford will push hard to move Fleury by late January or early February. But if the trade market remains stagnant, Rutherford could find suitors difficult to come by. 

While the Blues aren’t in any hurry to move Shattenkirk, Custance believes they’ll do it for a deal that make sense and helps them win this season.  Given the Jets’ high asking price for Trouba, Custance thinks moving the blueliner could take a while. 

SPECTOR’S NOTE: In the past, Blues GM Doug Armstrong’s been unwilling to trade a pending UFA if he feels they’ll help his team in the playoffs. I doubt he’ll change his style now. I don’t believe he’ll get a significant offer for Shattenkirk before March 1. Trouba’s not going anywhere this season, but it wouldn’t surprise me if the Jets get some interesting offers in June. 

The Avalanche need an impact defenseman and Duchene is the player who can fetch that type of return. Custance suggests the Carolina Hurricanes as a trade target, noting their depth in young defensemen. 

Custance also believes the Leafs need help on their blueline and van Riemsdyk would make a good trade chip to address that issue. Ditto the Red Wings with Nyquist, as their depth at forward makes him expendable. 

SPECTOR’S NOTE: Moving Duchene, van Riemsdyk or Nyquist for an impact rearguard could be difficult to do this season. Such moves tend to take place in late-June or early-July. Sure, the Columbus Blue Jackets and Nashville Predators pulled off a swap of Ryan Johansen for Seth Jones last January, but those type of in-season hockey trades are rare. 

FANRAG.COM:  Chris Nichols cites the recent appearance of Arizona Coyotes GM John Chayka on Edmonton’s 630 CHED regarding his options for pending unrestricted free agents such as Shane Doan, Martin Hanzal, Radim Vrbata and Michael Stone. He claims Doan’s not going anywhere, but he’s also considering all options in addressing his club’s need for depth at center.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: Of the Coyotes pending UFAs, the only one who’s definitely not moving is Doan. The rest could hit the block before the March 1 trade deadline.

EDMONTON JOURNAL: David Staples cites a recent rant by TSN’s Ryan Rishaug on Jason Gregor’s radio show regarding the poor performance of Oilers winger Benoit Pouliot. Rishaug puts out some strong hints that Oilers management isn’t pleased with Pouliot’s play and have tried to move him for a year now. He doesn’t believe there’s a trade market for the winger and doubts Vegas will take him if he’s left exposed in next June’s expansion draft, citing his salary ($4 million annually) and poor offensive stats. Staples suggests the 6’3″, 200-pound Pouliot could turn things around if he plays a more physical game. 

SPECTOR’S NOTE:  Pouliot’s been a disappointing underachiever his entire NHL career. Granted, he was hampered by injuries during his previous two seasons, but he’s apparently healthy this season. As Rishaug observes, the Oilers can’t even give this guy away now. I concur with Staples that Pouliot might turn things around by playing a more physical style, but that just doesn’t seem like something he’s capable of doing. 







79 Comments

  1. Pouliot, another long list of guys I’m happy NY said “no thanks, we’ll pass” on.

    • Carl Hagelin is on the list of guys I’m happy NY (and Anaheim) said “no thanks, we’ll pass” on.

      • Yeah, 11 points this year!!! Woo-hoo!!! The only LW in NY with less points to date is Buchnevich.(8 points in 10 games) Carl Hagelin was a cap casualty. NY couldn’t pay a 3rd liner 4.5-5.5 per. But then look at Callahan, Pouliot, Dubinsky, Anisimov…. All pretty much priced their way out of NY. All pretty much enjoyed their best years in NY, and have either plateaued out, or gone down hill. Anisimov was having a nice year, but I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t have a Kane at his side in NY either.

        I loved Hagelin, and believe NY’s PK suffered tremendously with his departure. But he was always a bit of a disappointment in NY offensively.

        I’m pretty sure EVERY NY fan would agree.

      • Hagelin has more rings than those LW.

        Hagelin was integral to winning the Cup. His speed changed the team.

      • And today he had 11 points! lol again, I like Hagelin. Ask me how I like his new 1.6 per replacement. Loved the player , but I would rank him #2 behind Kovalev of guys that had all potential in the world, but left you wanting more!

  2. Garth Snow should be calling Colorado non-stop to try and get a forward to play with JT.

    • They could make for good trading partners

    • I would love to get rid of Hamonic and Nelson. Once again Snow holds his players with trade value waaaay too long until the rest of the league realizes that they are overrated. Hamonic and his minus 17 aren’t looking so cap friendly anymore.

      • Interesting, is Hamonic really struggling or the plus/minus more a symptom of the team struggles and his deployment?

      • Either way Dan Atomics point would be that Hammonic value now is no where near what it was previous and just like Vanek Snow held in to the hot potatoe a little to long to get full value.

      • Isles have a pile of former 1st and 2nd rounders not living up to NHL standards. They need to try to make JT’s prime into something or go the other way…

      • Indeed, and the Griffin Reinhart pick at #4 overall may be the worst of those. In that year, everyone seemed to get the top four D prospect they needed, including my Leafs who are very hopefully about Rielly developing now under Babcock – not the Islanders, who burned a top five pick on a unequivocal bust.

      • The Reinhart selection might end up being the best top 5 pick Snow made not named JT, completely because they essentially ended up swapping him for Barzal and Beauvillier.

      • As an Isles fan I disagree Biscuit 🙂 The Isles have done a terrible job of development with all of their young players except JT who seems to take charge of his own development. It’s a terrible down season and I think it has more to do with system and coaching than the players. Nelson has put up points in the past, Hamonic has been a very good D man. A new coach may do wonders with them.

  3. Changes coming in Colorado. Either Sakic makes them or ownership makes them without him this summer.
    As much as I hate to ask this, was Roy right?

    • The whole thing was a mess top to bottom I think.

      • Starting to look that way Schticky. Some quality ingredients but the soup is off. Sakic is obviously not an idiot, and must know the game, in which he excelled. The GM chair is a difficult one. So it is strange when ex players are asked to fill that role without gaining the experience at the lower levels.
        Why more (teams and players) don’t take the Yzerman route is dumbfounding, if that is what they really want to do long term.

      • Really I think it one of those things that you have it or you don’t. Experience never hurts but like Yzerman Nieuwendyke kinda had some time learning the craft and he wasn’t cut out for it either really.

      • Sakic’s woes underscore my long-held contention that GREAT players rarely, if ever, go on to become top NHL coaches/GMs. Look at this list of the Top 25 points producers of all time – all of them great – where Sakic sits 8th: Wayne Gretzky, Jaromir Jagr, Mark Messier, Gordie Howe, Ron Francis, Marcel Dionne, Steve Yzerman, Mario Lemieux, Joe Sakic, Phil Esposito, Ray Bourque, Mark Recchi, Paul Coffey, Stan Mikita, Teemu Selanne, Bryan Trottier, Adam Oates, Doug Gilmour, Dale Hawerchuk, Jari Kurri, Luc Robitaille, Brett Hull, Mike Modano, John Bucyk, Joe Thornton.

        We won’t know about Jagr or Thornton in coaching/GM roles until they finish their playing careers, but somehow, like most of the rest on the list, I don’t see either going down that road. Francis and Yzerman are currently GMs, and I suppose Yzerman could be the one exception, but he has an acid test coming up with bulky contracts and some big decisions to make that will either make him one of the best Gms ever – or expose him. Francis has hardly been an overwhelming success in Carolina. Esposito was so-so in his time as Tampa GM, while Oates flopped as a coach. Gretzy, of course, was an absolute disaster in that role. None of the others even tried, I don’t think (Mario simply became an owner) and there they join other past greats like Bobby Hull, the Richards, Beliveau, Harvey, Bower, Keon, Mahovlich, Orr, Ratelle, and on and on.

      • To add to the list of questionable GMs former players who have experience look at Bennings magic in Van. He was a guy with lots of experience in scouting and as an assistant. Some have it Hextall Rutherford some don’t and I’m not sure how much experience plays a part in it.

      • True. But I wouldn’t mention any among Bennings, Hextall or Rutherford among the all-time greats mentioned above.

      • Messier would make the best Gm/ coach in history!!! Just ask the Ranger fans still clutching on to 94!

      • LOL. He thinks so too – didn’t he demand to start at the top somewhere?

      • When torts was fired, he thought he was the shoe in replacement, and left the organization in a hissy fit when they hired AV. And thank god he did. He was “special assistant to the Gm” which means he could have been sitting in Gortons chair today.

      • Rutherford has a couple cups, maybe not among the greatest but certainly respectable to say the least.

      • Oh great players sorry thought you were talking great GMs my mistake.

      • Yeah, was talking the lack of successful coaches/GMs from among former all-time great players. Rutherford certainly ranks with the best whose playing career – if they had any – was average at best. Among those regarded as the top 10 all-time coaches in terms of wins, none were what you’d call great players – those who fit the description of journeyman would include Al Arbour (3rd), Dick Irvin (5th), Pat Quinn (6th), Lindy Ruff (7th), and Ron Wilson 9th). Those who never played at the NHL level are Scotty Bowman (1st), Ken Hitchcock (4th), Mike Keenan (8th) and Barry Trotz (10th). Only Joel Quenneville had anything resembling a playing career and he was OK at best.

        Among the 10 best GMs all-time, journeymen as players would include Glen Sather (10th) and Craig Patrick (7th), while those with minimal NHL games as players are Keith Allen (9th), Art Ross (8th) and Ken Holland (6th), and those who never played an NHL game are Lou Lamoriello (5th), Jimmy Devellano (4th), Bill Torrey (3rd), Frank J. Selke (2nd) and Sam Pollock (1st).

      • Art Ross did not have a minimal hockey career. He only played 3 “NHL” games because most of his playing career happened before 1917. He was regarded as one of the best defensemen of his era and is in the Hall of Fame as a player, not as a builder.

      • just like vancouver.
        linden spent 20+ years in and around the league.
        yet he seems clueless and his important decisions (coach and gm) have been laughable.
        the team is in worse shape now than in decades.
        experience should help but experience doesn’t fix stupid.

    • All you need do is look at Colorado’s roster to understand the problem. Their top 4 D is Johnson; injured, Barrie, Beauchemin; really old & Zadarov; just a kid. The forward group may be worse. Duchene, McKinnon, Landeskog; Rantanen; a rookie & Soderberg. Iginla’s decline started long ago. 3 years was way to long a deal should have been 1 year deal. After that it’s borderline NHL players.

      Sakic inherited this mess & is 2 or 3 years into his rebuild through the draft depending upon when you feel he took full control of the draft & player personal decisions.

      • Sakic brought in Soderberg Iginla Beauchimien Zardov let Orielly stastny leave gave a questionable goalie too big of a contract….I’m not sure what your definition of inherited this mess is but… seems to me Burnaby Joe might have just had a part in making this a bad hockey team.

      • Varlamov was signed 4 months before Sakic assumed EX VP of hockey operations never mind the GM post.

        O’Reilly was not being retained. The bad blood from the previous contract negotiations from Sherman & Calgary’s RFA offer sheet forced his trade. Sakic acquired a solid return which can’t be judged for many years yet. He wasn’t signing in Colorado nor were they giving him that kind of money & term.

        Beauchemin & Iginla were stop gaps. Sakic bought the best help he could find that was acutaully willing to go to Col, he overpaid to get both. With out them it would be worse not better.

        Soderberg had played great in Colorado, a 5th round pick well spent right up until Bednar got there. His deployment of this player & how he’s icing his players is seriously questionable. Trying to create 3 scoring lines when you don’t even have enough scoring to make 2 isn’t smart. See Capuano in NYI as well.

        Colorado is a mess. All I’m saying is Sakic hasn’t had enough time to address all the issues. No team other than possibly NJ or Dal has a worst D than Colorado. It takes for ever to solve that issue. Years just ask Edm. Their in year 10 of that mission.

        Sakic in his time since assuming the EX VP role; May 2013, & GM; summer of 2014, role a year later has been building through the draft but unfortunately only 1 1st overall pick in that time & the reminder of the picks still available to him, some were gone when he took over, he has drafted very well with 1 really bad selection. He needs at least 2 more years possibly 3 to judge his abilities.

        Roy removing himself also is a factor in a positive way. Obviously they weren’t on the same page. Roy wanted to sacrifice what little future Colorado has for more success today. A terrible plan unless you are a serious cup contender like Chi, LA, etc that have done so right at the traded deadlines. I’d be curious to know who pushed for the Boedker trade. That wasn’t worth the cost or risk. Roy? Sakic? Both? we’ll never know.

        Sakic hasn’t been perfect but he did start his training in the summer of 2011 when he was brought in as adviser; marketing/PR role, & alternate Governor. 3 years later taking on EX VP of Hockey Opps.

      • Statsny’s on Sherman as well. No way he was getting 7 mil per from Col nor should he have from anyone. Sakic came on after that trade deadline as Ex VP hockey opps. Colorado finished that season, 1st in the central, 2nd in the west & 3rd in the NHL. They lost to Minny in round 1, 4-3. Stastny walked that summer following as a UFA. All teams in that position would retain Stastny as well. Stastny isn’t worth 7 mil per for 1 year never mind 4.

        What I mean by a mess is when Sakic came on board in May of 2013 & GM the summer of 2014 Colorado’s roster was a mess. An unhappy O’Reilly a very young team devoid of depth especially at D. It still is but Sakic has been plugging in where able.

        Zadarov will be a solid top 4 Dman in about 4 years. Rantanen is going to be a stud. With McKinnon, Landeskog, Duchene, Johnson & Barrie there is a future but not with out some serious help across the board.

        Colorado’s stable of prospects is getting better it was devoid of tallent before sakic took over & I assume at this years trade deadline Sakic will add to it. Iginla will return at least a 2nd & a soft prospect, Tyutin, Bourque & Mitchell something. If Colorado were to help elvate another teams cap issues at the traded deadline additional help can be found there as well.

        I’m not sure what people expected from Colorado this season. I had them out of the playoffs not even a bubble team & 12th in the west. I had Calgary & Vancouver 13th & 14th.

        Bednar looks like he’s in way over his head & that’s certainly on Sakic. Maybe a coach with experience at the NHL level would have been a better choice but Bednar came cheap & after a strong showing in the AHL I guess deserved a chance from someone but it’s not working. Colorado should be better than they have showed it’s ugly. They look lost & that’s on Bednar & as he was Sakic’s guy him as well.

      • Regardless when the guy who is responsible for bringing in close to at least 30% of the roster and 100% coaching staff of a bad hockey team he didn’t inherit it 3 years ago the team was in better spot in the standings then where it sits now. Arguing if Iginla was a stop gap is semantics Sakic is responsible for him and the rest that are currently at the bottom of the NHL

      • Shticky, I remember asking an employee why their is outdated products on his shevle; his reply it was here before I took over, which was 4 months ago. So not his problem.

      • lmao that’s not even the case here Caper the year Sakic was hired end of 10/11 they finished with 88 points then 90 in 11/12then in 12/13 112 so they were trending the right direction then the last 3 seasons 90 82 and on pace for 60 points this year to use your example Sakic is stocking the cooler shelves with sour milk. He didn’t inherit this mess he made it or least a pretty big part of it

      • Shticky sakic inherited a lot of that roster that seem to be the problem

      • Who did he inherit that’s a problem bbb? And why are they still there if they are a problem? Sakic has been in Colarado for almost 6 years if you want to say he was only a GM for 3 of them then he took over a 112 point team that made the playoffs that’s the team he inherited 112 points and in the playoffs since then as a GM (he was an advisor to hockey ops for 2 seasons prior 1 would think he knew about his players previous) he has added Iginla Soderberg Beauchamin hired a coach trade away ROR let Stastny walk for nothing as a UFA no return, picked 2 unseasoned coaches back to back this one doesn’t even look close to NHL ready…lol if you want to say he kept players who were problems for 3 seasons on top of all the rest of his mistakes I fail to see how it helps the arguement. Sakic is part of the problem in Colarado, but go ahead who were the problems that Sakic inherited that are still problems in Colarado that he didn’t get rid of and how is that anyone’s fault besides him?

    • Apparently Patrick Roy was the smart one, he got out early. He took a fair bit of heat for bailing on the team, but in hind sight he made the right move. I`d love to know what changes Roy wanted or just where or what the differences were between him and the team was.

      • The big one was he wanted radulov

  4. A few weeks ago I thought about an Olli Maatta, a prospect like Dominik Simon and a pick for Gabriel Landeskog (with the Avs paying $1.5 million a year) swap.

    (In the time since, Maatta has really stepped up his play while Dumoulin’s play has declined and an effective Dumoulin is necessary to make Maatta expendable…so I’m not as sure I’d do it, but…)

    Landeskog could be a long term replacement for Kunitz. The value of Colorado paying his salary down to a $4M cap hit is huge, thus the pick and prospect included.

    Maatta can play 25 minutes a night in all zones and could produce more offensively if given that chance.

    The Pens currently have 6 forwards that need to be protected so they have room for a 7th. Meanwhile they have 4 or 5 defenseman that might need to be protected. Moving those chips around seems obvious.

    Though, while this trade makes sense in the medium and long term for the Pens, in terms of trying to repeat and defend the Cup, I doubt they’d want to change the team that much.

    • trade didn’t make sense then either. Maatta struggling but has shown potential to be as high as a solid number 2 d-man, at worst a top 4. Very few wingers in the league worth acquiring for that… after top 10 centerman in the league no player has more value than a top 2 defenseman. Pens only have 3 forwards that have to be protected. who are the other three?

      • Letang Maatta Schultz Pouliot Dumoulin

        Can’t keep them all even if you protect 4.

        Protect 4 and you lose Hagelin or Rust, who might not be as valuable according to an asset chart, but are far more integral to this particular team’s success than Olli, who was the #7 defenseman until Daley got hurt in last year’s playoffs.

        Dumoulin was a stud during that run, even if he’s struggling now.

        Schultz has taken his play up 3 levels since then and he was good then.

        And then, even if you can protect that many defenseman from Vegas, the Pens can’t afford them all with so much cap space tied up in the forward group.

        The reason the Pens won was reallocating money from the blue line to the forward group AKA getting rid of Martin so they could get Kessel.

        Also, there aren’t many Chris Kunitz style players in the league, Landeskog is one of them.

      • Easy. Don’t protect pouliot. Schultz is an Ufa. Really pens only need to protect letang maatta and dumo. Pens lose hagelin or horny it’s not nearly as risky as losing maatta. Trading from a weak d depth is a really really terrible idea

      • Shultz is RFA but still probably doesn’t require protection. I think LV is looking for guys who already have contracts. Shultz has arbitration rights. I don’t see where Landeskog fits into the roster unless you want to include Bonino in the deal. There are players in the AHL that should be in the Pens NHL lineup for good and one who should be a top 6 and PP player. There is no room for a forward as it is. They need to move Fehr because he’s too slow to play wing in Sullivan’s system and that 4th line is much more dangerous with Wilson and Kuhnhackle.

  5. Lyle, re your “… Pouliot might turn things around by playing a more physical style, but that just doesn’t seem like something he’s capable of doing.”

    Something like Greening. Size, blazing speed – and plays like a big marshmallow. I remember the story way back when Peter Mahovlich first joined the Habs – he was exactly the same. Until John Ferguson grabbed him in a practice, put him up against the boards and screamed UP into his face “look at the size of you – why don’t you — USE that size – they’re terrified of me now around the league – can you imagine what it would be like if I had YOUR size?” It was like somebody flicked a switch and almost overnight Mahovlich became a BIG force in the league. Some have that capability – and some just don’t I guess.

    • I think it comes down to desire George. In all walks of life. Many people settle, and the physical game in the NHL has to be difficult when you are playing as often as they do now.
      It is way easier to settle on your talent for $4M/year, and live a comfortable life, than to punish your body night in and night out. Year after year.
      That is why it is best/toughest league in the world.

      • Yeah, but players like Greening have little or no hope of ever earning $4 mil+ and the biggest mistake was handing over that much to Pouliot.

  6. Well mg i totally agree bout hagelin i wanted him since the first time they beat the pens in the playoffs. I dont agree with moving maatta. The pens healthy top 6 is rwally good. If maatta goes then that means they play pouliot. And that kids just not ready. Only move they have to make is to get fluery traded just so he dont go for nothing. And jake guentzel i believe can replace kunits. So really i say move fluery get a 7th d and a backup goalie then focus on consistency.

    • I have to ask, is your name Jag as in Jaguars ? As in Jacksonville?

      • No. There my initials. Not a football fan. Thats a sport of egos and commercials. Cant get into it.

      • All sports are sports of egos.

      • Lol Chrisms I totally agree I have 3 buddies playing in the NHL and am around other other nhlers and I’m surprised some of them can get there head thru the door!

  7. So Arizona may trade Hanzal, a centre, to improve their depth at centre?

  8. I knew Edm overpaid on the Pouliot signing. Not sure of how many teams but I would call him a suitcase player and the music has stopped. Can they buy him out at some point ? Maybe he can go back to MTL .

    • He has a $4 mil cap hit through the 2018-19 season. Maybe he gets picked in the expansion draft by Vegas to help them get to the cap floor 🙂

      • By the way, Edmonton is his 6th stop after stints with Minnesota, Montreal, Boston, Tampa and NYR. So, yeah, “suitcase” is an appropriate monicker. Damned expensive luggage however.

      • Not to be confrontational so don’t get all worked up on go on a tangent, just on subject related to your thread about Vegas meeting the cap floor. Vegas only has to get to just under 43 mil to be cap compliant in their 1st year. They have to leave the expansion draft having spent 60 to 100% of last seasons cap on 30 players

        No way Pouliot would be selected if exposed. He’s a 2 mil a year player on a 1 or 2 year short term deal at best. Not a 4 mil per for 5 year player that the previous Edm administration signed him to. Brutal management.

        I don’t see Vegas having any issues spending monies. They will take the best players available that will help them achieve long term success the fastest. An example would be if NYR were to expose a player like Nash. Can’t find a trade partner, need the cap space & they expose him hoping he gets selected as opposed to losing someone else.

        Vegas selects him & his 7.8 cap hit, 8.2 mil salary. They use him to help mentor a young team & at the trade deadline next year when he has little salary & cap hit left approaching UFA status they move him for a solid prospect & draft pick to a contender. I could see McPhee doing this with several players. The long term return may be better than the player they would otherwise select from this team. My point is cash & hitting the cap aren’t going to be issues for Vegas. They’ll hit 43 in a walk & it wouldn’t surprise me for them to take on other teams cap problems for future compensation just like Toronto has been doing since starting it’s rebuild.

      • I put the bloody smiley face to illustrate I was spoofing. Not to elicit a long-winded counter. Jaysus!

      • As I said George it wasn’t directed at you in anyway.

        It wasn’t a counter just on subject.

        Jaysus. Ha-ha!

  9. Any thoughts on trouba to stl? Shatts will depart either via trade or free agency and trouba could be a replacement option. Haven’t heard it mentioned as a possibility much if at all. Cheers boys and keep up the good work Lyle

  10. Doan is not to be moved. I find that interesting. From the outside looking in, it appears that Doan has not interest in winning the Stanely Cup. I understand he loves the area, big land and his horses. But he not willing to travel for 4 months to try and get that ring? It appears to me that he enjoys his job and that’s good enough for him. With that said what aging player who hasn’t won a cup would you like to see win one? Iginla for me, follow closely by Thorton.

    • Bill Gadsby – but the poor bugger’s dead. 20 flipping years in the NHL as one of the best D of all time – and nary a sniff. All that’s just to say some are destined to last a long time without ever hoisting the cup.

      • so true George, might be adding Ovechkin name to that list.

      • Quite possibly. The door is swiftly closing on this version of the Caps so, unless he winds up somewhere else before his career is ended, he may be joining this illustrious list: Pat Lafontaine, Daniel Alfredsson, Mats Sundin, Paul Kariya, Curtis Joseph, Dale Hunter, Keith Tkachuk, Phil Housely, Peter Stastny, Pavel Bure, Gil Perreault, Pierre Turgeon, Mike Gartner, Dale Hawerchuk, Adam Oates, Marcel Dionne, Dino Ciccarelli, Cam Neely – I’ve likely overlooked a few too.

      • Ha-ha! We get to include dead people. Sweet. Ha-ha! Awesome well done, cracked me up. I agree with you by the way.

      • My selfish , homer pick….. Lundqvist.

        My pick of players past, #1 Lindros, followed by Bure by a close call.

        Leclair , Lindros . Renbeg! One of my all time favorite lines.

      • Ooops. ***Renberg****

    • Steve Oleksy.

      • At the other end of the spectrum you have guys like Henri Richard – 11 Cups and 11 rings – one for each finger and a toe.

      • Lamaire 8 as a player 1 as a head coach

  11. Heading into the Christmas break I just felt like giving, so a Brassard/Zibanejad update. Good news, Brassard has finally caught Zibanejad in points. It only took an extra 15 games for him to do so but as Zibanejad’s out 3 maybe 4 more weeks so Brassard should pass him after Christmas & if Zibanejad is out long enough maybe even edge him out for the year.

    Merry Christmas to all Brassard fan’s out there the universe is righting its self for you. Ha-ha!

    • Thanks.

      The Sens and Brassard seem to have finalky found theit game. But forget Brassard. Ryan is finnaly playing accordibg to his salary.

      Things look good in Ottawa. To bad Zbad wont be playing when they meet up fir Ottawas next game.

      Keep the updates coming. Ummmm soneone here might care. Anyone?

      • Ha-ha!

  12. Zbad is getting close. He’s skating and shooting. And oddly still winning the Brassard scoring race.

    • All I have heard about Zibanejad’s injury so far is he just got off crutches & out of his soft cast. Hadn’t heard he’s skating or shooting yet.

      They are actually tied with 15 points currently.

      That same post said had him as 3 possibly 4 weeks away.

    • I like how my “Zbad” nick name is catching on with you all. Hopefully he continues to show consistancy with the rangers.

      Im still very happy with the trade. 20 wons 11 loses will do thay.

  13. Esposito as a GM:

    Best creation of a franchise in a non-traditional market. Playoffs in year four when the expansion was designed for years of pain. Not exactly great but a pretty unique achievement Making hockey work in Florida & this will have a long term impact on the health of the game. Give him credit for a heck of a high school program in Tampa and watch for pro scouts and NCAA offers coming soon.