NHL Rumor Mill – January 13, 2017

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Could the Montreal Canadiens look into acquiring Colorado Avalanche center Matt Duchene?

Trade needs of the Canadian teams plus updates on the Flyers, Blackhawks and Lightning in your NHL rumor mill. 

TSN: Frank Seravalli examined the trade needs of the seven Canadian NHL franchises. He believes Arizona Coyotes center Martin Hanzal would be an ideal rental option for the Montreal Canadiens, making them bigger down the middle.

He also speculates GM Marc Bergevin could kick the tires on Colorado Avalanche center Matt Duchene, though a deal of that magnitude probably wouldn’t happen until the offseason. He notes the Habs have five second round picks in 2017 and 2018 to use as trade bait. 

SPECTOR’S NOTE: Hanzal could be a good fit with the Canadiens, provided the oft-injured center stays healthy. He’s a bit of a gamble. As for Duchene, his $6 million annual cap hit would be an expensive pickup, especially with center Alex Galcheyuk in line for a significant raise. Bergevin probably can’t afford the Avs’ asking price.

The Edmonton Oilers still need a right-shot defenseman on the power play, but Seravalli feels their biggest need is at left wing. They won’t part with future assets for short-term help. Winger Benoit Pouliot is a likely trade candidate. However, Sportsnet’s Elliotte Friedman (via FanRag Sports Network’s Chris Nichols) doesn’t think there’s a lot of interest in Pouliot or Oilers right wing Jordan Eberle. He believes if there was more interest in Eberle, Taylor Hall wouldn’t have been dealt last summer. 

SPECTOR’S NOTE: Recent reports out of Edmonton suggest Pouliot’s performance is so bad that the Oilers cannot even give him away. 

The Ottawa Senators need a top-line left wing but lack suitable assets to land one. Seravalli believes Curtis Lazar and Nick Paul could be trade bait, but also wonders if this is the season they’ll shop their first-round pick, as the 2017 draft isn’t considered a deep one. 

Seravalli’s colleague Bob McKenzie speculates they could have an interest in Colorado Avalanche left wing Gabriel Landeskog or center Matt Duchene. However, he speculates the asking price is too expensive.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: Would Lazar and a first-rounder convince the Avs into parting with Landeskog? Probably not. The Avs need blueline help. I don’t see the Sens having any good young rearguards they’re willing to move who will help the Avalanche.  

Seravalli suggests the Calgary Flames need a good second-pairing defenseman. While noting pending UFAs Dennis Wideman and Deryk Engelland could be available, moving them won’t address the issue. 

SPECTOR’S NOTE:  The Flames could end up sticking with their current lineup unless they can find a real steal at the deadline. 

Seravalli doesn’t expect the Winnipeg Jets to be significant buyers or sellers at this year’s trade deadline. If they do decide to sell, they could move pending free agents Mathieu Perreault, Ondrej Pavelec or Drew Stafford.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: Jets GM Kevin Cheveldayoff usually isn’t a big wheeler-dealer, especially at the trade deadline. His club might need help in goal if Connor Hellebuyck continues to struggle with his consistency, but Cheveldayoff could remain patient with him.  

While there’s lots of trade buzz surrounding Toronto Maple Leafs left wing James van Riemsdyk, Seravalli notes they’re not in a hurry to move him. The Leafs biggest priority is adding a top-four defenseman. 

SPECTOR’S NOTE: Unless the offer is Cam Fowler or Hampus Lindholm of the Anaheim Ducks straight up for van Riemsdyk, I don’t see the Leafs moving him this season. 

While the Vancouver Canucks still need a scoring winger, Seravalli doubts they’ll be terribly busy by the deadline. Perhaps they’ll add a player or two to audition down the stretch to determine if they’ll have a future in Vancouver. Possible trade bait includes forwards Alex Burrows and Jannik Hansen. 

FanRag Sports Network’s Chris Nichols cites Canucks GM Jim Benning telling Vancouver’s TSN 1040 he’s not trading any more draft picks going forward. In the recent past, he moves some picks to acquire Sven Baertschi and Markus Granlund, who’ve performed well for the Canucks. Benning said he’s happy with the development of his young players this season and is optimistic about those coming up in the system. 

SPECTOR’S NOTE: Burrows and Hansen have no-movement/no-trade clauses. Benning’s on record saying he won’t ask any player carrying those clauses to waive them. If Burrows and Hansen are dealt, it means they asked to be traded. 

CSNPHILLY.COM: Tim Panaccio reports the struggling Philadelphia Flyers might need a trade to snap them out of their recent doldrums. Panaccio believes GM Ron Hextall’s current roster lacks few marketable commodities and most teams aren’t interested in his roster players, preferring instead the Flyers’ depth in young defensemen. He notes Hextall saying he would only make a deal if it will help the club long term. Panaccio points out the Flyers need scoring depth on the wings. 

TSN: Bob McKenzie reports the cap-strapped Flyers must shed salary in order to put veteran blueliner Mark Streit ($5.25 million cap hit), who comes off injured reserve this weekend, into the lineup. Some are waiting to see if they could make a trade to address this issues. 

SPECTOR’S NOTE: Given Streit’s age (39) and cap hit, the Flyers probably won’t be able to move him. They obviously won’t move Shayne Gostisbehere, Ivan Provorov and Brandon Manning, so It’ll be interesting to see how Hextall addresses this. 

FANRAG SPORTS NETWORK: Chris Nichols cites Bob McKenzie’s Jan 10, 2017 appearance on Vancouver TSN 1040 discussing the plight of the Tampa Bay Lightning and what they might do to bolster their defense. He wonders if the possibility that he won’t be able to re-sign his key free agents this summer, which includes such notables as Tyler Johnson, Ondrej Palat and Jonathan Drouin, could factor into any potential trade decisions. McKenzie doesn’t expect Drouin will be traded, but figures “just about anybody else up front” might be a possibility” to land a defenseman that could help them. 

SPECTOR’S NOTE: Adding a long-term solution on defense could require parting with Johnson or Palat. Yzerman might be shopping for a more affordable short-term solution, but such deals are tough to find right now. 

THE ATHLETIC: Scott Powers reports salary-cap space shouldn’t be an issue for the Chicago Blackhawks at the trade deadline if they want to make a significant move. Noting all salary-cap hits are prorated over the course of the season, Powers observes (via Cap Friendly.com) that the Blackhawks should have over $5.3 million in cap space by the March 1 trade deadline. 

SPECTOR’S NOTE: The question is, will the Blackhawks use that cap space? They’re reportedly seeking a depth winger and were linked to Colorado Avalanche right wing Jarome Iginla. They can afford to pick up him by the deadline if they wish. 


  1. As much as I’d love to hold onto van Riemsdyk if TO can get either Fowler or Lindholm for him (probably other pieces also being exchanged) then they should go for it. That being said, getting Fowler is more realistic simply because his contract is also expiring soon and has a very similar cap hit to van Riemsdyk. Limpholm is signed long term. The trade itself does make sense though as Anaheim does have an ample supply of young defense and needs more scoring.

    • Indeed, Thirsty.

      Although Friedman made the point that Fowler is so key right now to ANH’s D core that it may – despite the contract situation – be Lindholm who gets moved. I don’t follow ANH closely enough to have a view one way or the other.

      MIN, CAR, PHI, are also possible partners for that type of a trade, but as Lyle points out, this is more likely to happen in the offseason.

      As an aside, have you been following Andrew Neilsen’s play with the Marlies? 6’3″ / 210 lbs physical Dman, 24 pts in 35 gp in the AHL.

      He needs to develop his defensive game, but that type of performance in the AHL at 20 years old is very promising. This is the same player who put up similar numbers to Provorov in the WHL.

      • @Dan39……give your head a shake if you think the Flyers are looking for defencemen.

        They have one of the best/ deepest defencemen talent pools in the league.

        If anything, they have too many defensemen, and should move one to get a top flite winger to play on Giroux’s line.

      • Gary, I meant PHI could trade a Dman to TOR or somewhere else – they are very deep with young Dman/prospects, as you say.

    • Honestly I have been watching a few Ducks games of late and think it very well could be Manson moved if any of the D not sure I’d give up JVR for him but good player big skates well stay at home D plays just under 20 mins rightie..cheap contract. If the Ducks wanted to move a D for a forward it could very well be him. Not sayin to the Leafs in particular just that there are other D the Ducks would be able to move that could have similar results for the Ducks. Move Manson for a decent forward bring up one of their prospects and have a forward to replace the one they are likely to lose in expansion if they can’t get Bieksa to waive.

      • I liked Manson when he played against the Leafs, but haven’t seen much else of him. Big, physical, but maybe figures to be a third pair guy on a well built back-end even if he’s a second pair guy for us now?

        Wouldn’t move JVR for him, no.

      • Plays close to 20 mins on the Ducks blue line Id say with what I’ve seen in the half dozen games or so I’ve seen of him and some underlying numbers he is pretty easily a top 4 (better than Carrick Hunwick or Polak easily) in Toronto and a top 4 on a few other teams looking for a RHD that can play close to 20 mins a night against good lines. He is a younger much better skating version of Polak doesn’t get beat wide as much sound position. Nothing fancy but gives the Ducks more options as far as trading a D there are teams around the league would be interested in Manson.

      • I assume if Bieksa doesn’t agree to waive his NMC for the expansion draft Anaheim will simply buy him out. His NMC doesn’t protect him from a buyout. As expressed a few days ago I think several other teams will make the same offers to their players with NMC’s as well. Not a ton but 2 or 3 teams for sure as the players in question are problematic. Specifically, Bieksa, Enstrom & Pominville but there are a few others.

        I agree with you though that there is a very good chance Manson is moved before the expansion draft. I don’t see any of these teams with expansion draft issues as it relates to to many forwards, defensmen or goalies that are playoff bound moving any till the off season but most before the expansion draft.

      • Yeah, I think there’s no doubt that adding in someone like that would help immediately.

        I think longer term, however, that final piece needs to be a top pair guy to be a true Cup contender, though.

        Gardiner – ???
        Rielly – Zaitsev

      • I didn’t know the Flyers were so “flush” with defensemen..

        That’s awesome…… JVR…. Flyer are in a “FUNK”

        Maybe,, just wishful thinking on y part..

        Than again, who replaces JVR, on the wing….Leivo.. Kapanen…..Lepsic…??!?!?!?

    • The history of trades between the Leafs & Ducks tells me there will be a trade if not at the deadline, then just before or after the Expansion draft between these 2 teams , involving a D man going to TOR with a F going to ANA.
      As to who will be the players moved is anyone’s guess. But the upcoming Expansion draft is the monkey wrench in everyone’s trade plans. It wouldn’t surprise me to see Gardiner traded before the start of next season, I’m sure his weak defensive play is something that Babcock would tolerate for only so long.

      • If you listened to Lou’s interview from a couple of days ago on TSN, you get the feeling that Lou’s not gonna do much until the off season. Unless someone drops a young right handed defenceman on his lap for next to nothing. Stay the course he says no deviations. I think you could get more info from 15 minutes of silence than Lou

      • He has actually been very good defensively this year Carrick is a little rough when they are paired together I don’t like them as a pairing so much but Gardiner has been good this year maybe their best on the blue line, I know people like to bag on him but since Babcock took over it’s been a night and day difference really in Gardiners game.Not sure what you’re watching. He has become a very good 2nd pairing guy.

      • Greg, agree with the thrust of your argument, but it would probably shock you to look at the stats on Jake Gardiner.

        He’s easily the best Dman on the Leafs this season – defensively and offensively and overall.

      • Shticky, Jake may lag a bit on ATOI versus Morgan, but that has been steadily increasing over the season as young Morgan struggles a bit with his heavy deployment.

        In any case, Gardiner is currently ranked #23 in the NHL in offensive production, despite suffering on minutes versus his peers. That makes him not just top pair, but a #1 Dman inside the top 30.

        You get the same story on CF%, ranked well inside the top 30 in the NHL for Dman over 30 GP. That is because the boy simply skates the puck out of his zone and then generates shots at the other end.

        I actually think the Leafs value Gardiner much more than the league. Consensus in the league is that he’s an top four Dman. I bet you Lou sees him as a top pair solution long term.

      • Sorry, Gardiner is probably the Leafs best defenceman right now. Certainly no worse than second. I think you might be tied to a tired, old narrative.

      • Gardiner is not a top pair that’s just nonsense, solid 2nd pair is what he is

      • BigBruin, I agree that that is what he has been and may be again in the future, but his stats are markedly better this season than they have been historically.

        His offensive production, primary points/total points are top pair in the league this season. You can verify that fact here:


        His possession share is also well inside what you would expect for a top pair Dman. You can verify that here:


        His defensive stats aren’t as good, more like second pair, but you can’t expect that to be great when you’re frequently playing with Connor Carrick.

      • Gotta find a balance Dan.
        You’re the reason stats guys get scoffed at. I look at them to but you gotta realize the reason that guys get the numbers they do. Gardiner plays 20 mins a night give him more mins against better lines he is going to be in his own zone more and more fatigued…those fancy stats will drop. Right now Gardiner has a lot of o zone starts plays with Carrick as a primary partner and is therefor sheltered a little more than say Zaitsev and Riley who play a tone more in a very different set of circumstances. You can’t expect to change the situation and he is going to keep the same numbers it’s just not going to happen. Gardiner is a very good 2nd pair yes if he was paired with a very good top D sure maybe he could be considered a top line guy but being no. 2 D guy on the Leafs is a long way off being a no. 2 guy on a lot of teams. There has to be some balance Dan you can’t just regurgitate these numbers without realizing how the player arrived at it. As I said I follow a lot of stats guys too. I get use and follow analytics for the
        most part but you need to use some common sense too, use all the tools in the tool box

      • An example of why some of the things you are saying about Gardiner don’t really add up is if you look at your SAT% that you are using to prove Gardiner is a number 1 with actually has Josh Manson (who you said looks like a 3rd pair guy) well a head of Gardiner and if a RandyCarlyle coached 2nd pairing D man is out Corsi-ing you I’m not sure how you would consider Gardiner a top pair and Manson a 3rd pair based on possession. Can’t have you’re cake and eat it too. Gotta have balance.

  2. The Lightning cap issues may vanish unexpectedly. Callahan is out again, and his health may be below that necessary to continue his career. The nature of the injury & the result is eerily similar to what happened to Tim Taylor — the operation was a success but the player never returned to condition needed for a pro athlete. Filpula is a viable option for some teams in a trade package of young players & prospects going both ways, with the Lightning financially able to retain some cash salary in need be. And one middling contract will be lost to Vegas. Everyone else can then stay, including resigning Bishop, as Vasy is as prmising as thought, but also farther away than assumed. He can stop the puck, but neither handle it well nor control rebounds well. He works very hard, and has improved on both. The relationship between he & Bishop is reported to be mentor/student rather than outright rivalry. As no goalie in the league does more to support his team’s defence than Bishop, he’s worth a lot to a team with an obvious weakness there. Much better to spend on Bishop & develop young defencemen, allowing the filling of multiple spots there, than bring in a free agent #3 or #4 and a high price, which replicates the Callahan problem.

    • Moving filpula won’t be easy probably need to give up prospects/picks to move him

      • I agree. Easier for TB to just buy Filppula out this summer 48 hours after the Stanley Cup is awarded. He only has 1 year remaing. Kills 2 birds with 1 stone. Cap hit for 2 years will be a little over 1.6 mil freeing up 3.3 in cap space next season & solving a prtoection issue for the expansion draft at forward.

      • Namestnikov can assume his role as the 3rd line C. Stamkos, Johnson & Namestnikov is still really solid down the middle. If Boyle will take peanuts again to return alls well at C. If not signing a #4 for chump change shouldn’t be an issue or let 1 kids start their.

  3. Trading a first round pick in a package for a top line player (I doubt the pick alone would be enough) seems like an awful bold move for Dorion who so far has been anything but bold.

    • His butthole is STILL puckered from that Zibanejad for Brassard deal.

      • Ha-ha! I thought you liked that deal for Ottawa?

      • Brassard has had 8 points in his last 10 games to move 5 up on Zibanejad in the scoring race.

      • Where did I say I didn’t like the deal? I’m describing Dorion’s mind-set (or ass-set if you will) following his one significant deal. You really do have to read comments in their context.

      • Copy that. Ottawa has it’s hands tied behind it’s back. Their wants & needs can’t be addressed as Melnyk won’t give them the monies needed to address such. Once Ottawa moves to it’s new digs, unfortunately that’s still a long way off, revenues will increase & I assume so will spending.

        Will be curious to see if Melnyk is willing to expend any of his expansion windfall. that said Capfriendly shows this years actually salary expenditure coming in at $68,132,500. Projected cap hit at $67,452,503. This wouldn’t include any savings realized from MacArthur’s insurance payments. So it’s not like Ottawa isn’t spending very close to the cap regardless.

        I wasn’t referring so much to your comments today but our on going discussions of Zibanejad which go back a very long time. Was I wrong that you supported this trade when it happened?

      • Not at all. I still like the deal. I think part of Brassard’s slower start is due in equal parts to playing under Boucher’s defense-first system and trying to mesh him with Ryan – which clearly doesn’t work.

      • I was going to point that out as well, I’m not sure Zabinejad would exactly be lighting it up under Bouchers system with those line mates either, I think this comparison is a little off. Brassard has always been kinda streaky and really aside from the points which he seem to be atleast starting to produce a little more of lately he has been pretty good (won’t bore you with analytics but 5 on 5 possession wise he’s very good) at least as good as Zabnejad was in a Sens uniform. I get that on the surface what Zbad has done early in the year in New York looks great but that wasn’t the way he looked as a Sen. I still like the deal as well. Zabinejad needed the fresh start good for him for making the most of it.

      • I’m wondering what he’ll be like when he returns? For the most part, he was more productive with Kreider and Buchnevich (also coming back from a long absence) than anyone else . Now Kreiders mostly playing on the Stepan , Zuccarello line . Hayes Miller and Grabner are meshing well. He may find himself on the 3rd line upon return.

        Then again, scrambling lines up, is something AV isn’t afraid to do.

      • With Brassard the Sens are a more balanced team even if Zabinejad is the better player in the end. Brassard is better defensively and the addition of a left handed centermen helps alot. Givrs Boucher options. Id still swing thus deal any day ofcthe week.

        As forcif Lazar and a 1rst could get Landeskog. Not likely. Even Boucher is on record stating Lazar right now is a 3rd line RW. I feel that is what the guy will be. Hmmm…..but many only see Landeskog as a 2nd liner. Yet the Avalanche view him much more highly.

        Ottawa will make a deal. It wont be on D where one could easily make an argument that it should but it wobt due to the expansion draft. Hopefully MacArthur can return and bolster this team. In the end the Sens will add depth forward help. A bottom 9 type guy that will matter little as it wont be enough to offset any injury to the forward group.

  4. I am not sold on Duchene. Good player but not a franchise one or one that deserves $6 m. Only 24 points so far this year and in my opinion only his rookie and one other season of any note. At least Landeskog is a leader and plays tough with second line hands….OWA should move B.Ryan while they still can.

    • He’s having a down year, but he’s consistently shown he’s a 50-70 pt C in the NHL. He’s not elite or a franchise player as you say, but he’s a legit first line C for sure.

    • I don’t think they still can Silver. The only hope they have is if he turns it around.

    • Silver duschene is a good player with a good contract playing in Colorado hasn’t helped, making team Canada says a lot

      • Exactly, BBB. You don’t make Team Canada if you are an ordinary player. Duchene needs a change – I still think Minnesota would be a great fit….. or Montreal. Minny have the young D that could help Colorado, and, if Duchene doesn’t thrive playing for Bruce Boudreau, I’ll be amazed.

    • I don’t think they can move Ryan now unless they eat significant salary & the chances they find a dance partner before the expansion draft appear extremely unlikely. There may be a window following the expansion draft as many teams have holes & their will be some cap space created for some.

      A team like NJ or Carolina may be willing to eat Ryan’s full cap hit if enticed in some way or the assets they send back aren’t extreme. Essential a good trade for NJ or Car. Ottawa gets something of value but the real value is freeing up his cap space. A decent 3rd possibly soft 2nd line player & some picks. Not a 1st but perhaps say a 2nd & 3rd. Carolina has extra picks NJ has a boat load.

    • You may wish to go & look at Duchene’s stats year by year. This is his 8th season in the league & he has 2 down years in that time frame. Due primarily to injury in 11-12 & a bad team today. Pretty hard to score consistently when the competition only has to check 1 line & even then your coach won’t give you 2 decent wingers. Not really Bednar’s fault Colorado only has 2 top 6 wingers.

      Unfortunately Colorado unless McKinnon shifts to RW as he has over his career, or Duchene to LW as he has, again Colorado only has 2 wingers, Landeskog who was injured for 10 games & Rantanen a rookie.

      Hard to score consistently with a make up like that.

    • Bobby Ryan for Corey Perry Straight up.
      Both need a change and both should have good years left. Perry gets closer to home ( London I think), Ryan gets back to a place he had his most success. While imo Perry is better, Ducks would gain a couple of million in cap space

      • Do you really think that Anaheim will trade Perry straight up for Ryan?

        Please, think about how ridiculous that would be.

      • Gary
        As I recall Perry is making 2-3 million a year more and is around 3 years older. Is Perry the better player, yea he is but Ducks need cap relief and getting a player who is younger and still have some scoring years left makes it somewhat even. Now if Sens want to throw in a future second that’s ok

  5. If it wasn’t for that idiotic deal between the NHL and CHL which prevents a junior player who had been sent back to his junior club from being recalled, Ottawa could probably bring Chabot back up and then dangle Ceci and Lazar as part of a package for Landeskog IF anyone thought he’d be the answer to their F shortage.

    • See that’s kinda along the lines I was thinking too. Ceci and a first plus for something but I’m just not sure what it gets lol. I look at the Sens and think it’s not great but somehow they are actually pretty good. Imo Boucher is doing a great job with what he’s got.

    • George, Ceci is a fine young Dman, but unless the Avs are trying to bolster the checking line of their AHL team, Lazar does not add to that equation. He was a terrible pick at #17, let’s just face facts.

      We took one of those in Freddy Gauthier in the first, albeit at #21. It was a bad pick right from the start – essentially if everything worked out, we had a 4th line role player in 3-4 years time. Just about worthless

      • Yes, Lazar and Gauthier were horrific picks. When you look at that draft now, Mantha for Ottawa (went before Gauthier, but after Lazar) or Burakovsky/Theodore for either team would look pretty good right now. All three were rated about the same as Lazar/Gauthier at the time and, for some reason, Theodore in particular fell.

      • I’m just hoping to get rid of the smiling stiff. Close to 40 gp without ONE point? Even Scott Gomez did better than that.

      • The 2013 draft wasn’t exactly strong. 18 thru 30. Mueller, Rychel, Mantha, Gauthier, Poirier, Burakowsky, Shinkaruk, McCarron, Theodore, Dano, Klimchuk, Dickinson & Hartman. Many of these players aren’t even full time NHL players yet & Lazar already has 163 games of NHL experience turning 22 in February.

        I guess it’s a question of what you expectations were & are. I see Lazar as a 3rd line checking C & solid penalty killer character player. He has never been given an offensive opportunity & he may never be given that opportunity but he will play in the NHL for a very long time just may never put up any real points.

    • That “idiot deal” with the CHL allows the league that is the largest provider of talent to the NHL to be profitable and stay in business. Take the Junior stars out of the CHL at 18 – ya, that’s he ticket to long term sustainability.

      • So, in your world, it’s ok to deny an 18 y/o – who can serve and die in your armed forces – the right to start earning a professional salary? Ya, that’s the ticket to a free-society democracy.

      • The bad deal is obsolete with the rest of the world stepping up to fill the void. The league shouldn’t be propped up. If it can’t sustain itself then those kids can find other options. Throughout the world

      • Yes it’s called a CBA; Collective bargaining agreement, & they aren’t being denied anything. Numerous 18 years olds play in the NHL if ready. Many even when not. What other development model would you like to see? If not for the CHL, player development in Canada would be brutal. We don’t have the US tax laws which allow company’s to invest & write off these huge expenses. Nor can families cover off even 10% of the costs associated with putting their kids in sports unless they simply play 1 house sport not hockey, even house hockey can’t be covered off with 500 bucks for 1 season. God forbid your child plays competitive sports. I expend over 30K annually just on my middle son in hockey, baseball & golf. Will be playing Juco next season in Idaho. I get to write off 500 bucks, 500, as in 1/2 a thousand. It’s a joke. He left for Arizona yesterday for a showcase baseball tournament. Gone 5 days that costs me over 2500.

        Poor Chabot must be tough cashing that $92500 cheque every summer for the 1st 3 years of his deal & having to go back & play a ton in Major Jr & star in the WJC’s. Who am I supposed to be feeling sorry for?

        Yep I feel really sorry for these kids. How many of you even make 92,500 a year never mind signing a contract that will pay you millions in the very near future? Please don’t compare professional athletes to normal humans.

      • Once again, Striker, you completely miss my point. Answer this simple question: since anyone who is anyone has been saying that pro sports is a business, do YOU think a system is legal whereby that business can deny an 18-ytear old the right to start earning 10 times that amount you mention?

        Bonus question: why is that drafted 18 y/o Europeans can go to an AHL club whereas their North American conterparts cannot?

      • Yes again it’s called a CBA. Negotiated by the players with the owners.

        The fact a European is governed under different rules or a college player can become a UFA but a European or Jr player not in the same timeline will be addressed in the next CBA. We are in full agreement here & I would expect more players to use Matthews choice to play their final draft season in Europe so they can be governed as such under the current CBA. I’m surprised a few didn’t choose to do so this season. Go make some cash, enjoy the scenery in Switzerland; the quality of hockey is great, & you can get to the NHL faster making money sooner if you go to the AHL until ready later in the year. Not that Matthews would not be in the NHL regardless.

        You may also want to note that the cash paid to players selected by round in the entry draft from IIHF clubs is also significantly different. The NHL pays way more to draft a player out of Europe or Russian than Canada or the US.

        None of these make sense to me.

      • If you don’t like the 18 year old system your going to hate the 19 year old 1.

        A 19 year old draft is coming. Pat Lafontaine & a group have been commissioned by the NHL & NHLPA addressing the logistics for several years now. It will include a provision to allow certain players special exemption. The vast majority of 18 year olds aren’t ready to play & aren’t necessarily being well served getting stuck in the NHL as teams see no benefit to sending them back to Jr, Eur what have you. See Virtanen, McGinn last season, Draisaitl in 14-15 etc.

        It probably can’t be incorporated into the CBA until it’s back on the table but it’s possible it may arrive sooner by mutual consent & agreement between the NHL & NHLPA prior. I don’t think so but some believe it will.

        Although I do think the NHL will be better served with a 19 year old draft & special exclusions for those deemed to be truly ready. Trying to project what a 17 or 18 year kid will be when 23, 24 is hard. Most haven’t even had their last growth spurt for maximum height & most don’t reach their full adult weight until 25.

      • Argument holds no water with me striker. Adults should be able to play in a for more money.

    • That deal is stupid but lazar and Ceci don’t bring back dusch.

      • Not weighing in on this particular trade scenario other than to say I don’t trade away Dman that just turned 23, have 245 games of NHL regular experience, even for a Duchene. I keep Ceci. He is a 2nd pairing top 4 Dman today & will easily be a 1st pairing Dman in 2 years, 3 tops.

        No harder position or asset to acquire.

      • Jayus. Read what I said again you two. I DID NOT SAY Ceci and Lazar – AS PART OF A PACKAGE YOU WILL NOTE I SAID – could or should be offered up for Landeskog. All I was saying is, that TYPE of deal can be, and probably often is, blocked by the NHL-CHL agreement which precludes bringing back a player who had been sent down following training camp/10 games and who maybe has shown he is ready to turn pro after x number of Major JR games or world tournaments.

        And Chrisms, are you calling me “stupid” because I thought Lyle made it clear yesterday that this would no longer be tolerated.

      • Jayus. Read what I said again you two.

        “Not weighing in on this particular trade scenario” Could I be any clearer? My comments weren’t even directed to yours. Just on topic. Had nothing to do with your comments or the proposal. I think I made that clear. Again. “Not weighing in on this particular trade scenario.”

        Practice what you preach.

      • My point is, was, and always will be that that “agreement” with the players (an agreement that never takes into account the wishes of an 18 y/o adult) would not stand up in a court challenge. In a free-market democracy no judge in his right mind would agree that a business can work out a system whereby someone is denied the opportunity to start earning the millions being tossed around like drunken sailors.

      • No George for goodness sakes. I was agreeing with you that the Chl deal is stupid. Damn.

      • George, I gotta side with Striker on the CHL thing. Strictly the legal argument, not the ethical one.
        Nobody is being denied the ability to earn millions. If they were good enough to play in the NHL, where the millions are, they would be playing in it and are allowed to.
        It is a collective bargaining agreement between the players and the league, that is what would stand up in court. The PA represents all NHL players with contracts and the PA is not being denied anything, they agreed to it.
        Also the kids get their signing bonus from the teams that they are not playing for.
        They will be OK.

      • And so 18 y/o players from Europe or the U.S. college system can play minor-pro and because of an “agreement” 18 y/o in the CHL cannot. Sorry, but I still believe that a court challenge would turn that upside down in a hurry. That it hasn’t happened yet is immaterial. It will one day.

      • George, when people agree to contracts they are usually binding.
        If the 18 year old doesn’t make the NHL and wants to go play in Europe he can.
        If he wants to play pro in Europe when he is 17 so he has the AHL option he can.
        If he wants to play JR A and then NCAA, he can.
        If he wants to quit and go to University and become an Engineer he can.
        If he is good enough to play in the NHL, he can.
        The point is that this is a choice nobody is forcing anybody to play in the CHL.
        If, as Chrisms above mentions, more players view the CHL as not the best option, they will change. I think that could happen and already more players go the college route from Canada.
        IMO the reality is that very few 18/19 yr old players, that are not good enough for the NHL, would be better served playing in the AHL anyway. This includes Chabot.

  6. Don’t think your morning pun went unnoticed Lyle
    “Jets GM Kevin Cheveldayoff usually isn’t a big wheeler-dealer”
    Noticed and appreciated

  7. Perreault signed a 4 year extension in July at 4.125 per.

  8. I don’t know why Edm wouldn’t take a flyer on Streit or another team in the playoff hunt with the cap space to do so. Although he dings the cap at 5.25, he is only making 4 mil this year, 2 mil of which was paid as a bonus on July 1st. His actually remaining salary owed is less than a mil & declining daily.

    Streit would help Edm’s power play & would be a good short term rental for their efforts to make the playoffs. Then you just let him walk as a UFA. No risk with over 13 mil in cal space with LTIR.

    Philadelphia will have to shed salary & some incentive may have to be included by Hextall to get out of this cap issue he faces or the cost in draft pick virtually free. A 4th or 5th rounder.

    I see no real downside to any team that can afford the cap hit & is in the playoff hunt. Streit although very old can still man a #1 PP & take a regular shift as a #4 or 5 Dman.

    • That is probably the type of d-man Chiarelli is looking for. The Oilers really shouldn’t take on any players right now with term as it would affect their protected players list in the expansion draft.
      Yesterday on TSN Bob MacKenzie said that the only untouchable player on the Avs is MacKinnon. If that is true I hope Chiarelli goes after Barrie. I know he is having an off season this year, but pretty much the whole team is having an off season.

      • Barrie to BOS for what?

      • Ugh, I mean EDM! Barrie to EDM for what?
        (Living in 2013 still :))

      • He included Rantanen as well.

  9. With NJ cap space do they throw an offer of a 1st rd pick, Adam Henrique and Damon Severson for Trouba??

    Then in the off season throw a monster offer to Shattenkirk and Tavares?

    (not that I think they would sign there but with more cap wiggle room they can take on bad contracts for assets from other cap strap teams come off season)

  10. You expect some inconsistency with a rookie goalie, but the extremes with Hellebuyck have been more than I thought they’d be…a shutout one night, shelled the next.

    He’s not Matt Murray but he’s got a big upside. The Jets should stick it out and let him develop.

  11. Juulsen,Scherbak,1st 2017,2nd 2018 and DD ( for cap dump) For Landeskog

    • What about the kitchen sink?

  12. Well, I think Hextall likes Streit for PP and unless he gets back value or help at wing, I can’t see him making a trade. He could just waive McDonald again. He’s played better, but the contract likely means no one will touch him. And if someone did take him, god bless.

    Although it does not solve the cap issue, I am still wondering why Schultz is around. Maybe Hextall would rather have him rotting in the press box as opposed to Morin or Hagg, but there are other bodies you could do that with.