Taking a Knee & The Penguins’ White House Visit

by | Oct 1, 2017 | Soapbox | 44 comments

I prefer to keep my views on political or social issues out of my daily coverage of the National Hockey League. However, recent events have compelled me to weigh in with my rambling thoughts.

Last Sunday, NFL players and team owners staged a protest over President Trump’s comments against several black players staging peaceful protests against police brutality toward the black community by taking a knee during the national anthem.

On the same day, the Pittsburgh Penguins issued a statement confirming they had accepted a White House invitation to commemorate their 2017 Stanley Cup championship.

Both stories sparked strong opinions from NHL pundits, bloggers and fans.

Some feel that athletes who kneel to protest social or racial issues during the national anthem are disrespecting their country.

Speaking as a Canadian Forces veteran with a quarter century of service, I’m not offended by anyone declining to stand the national anthem, regardless of the reason.

It’s their right to do so. It’s among the rights and freedoms that veterans and current members of the armed forces served to protect and sometimes gave their lives to defend.

Serving my country doesn’t entitle me to enforce my beliefs and opinions upon my fellow citizens. That’s not what a free society does. It is, however, what dictatorships do.

If we reach the point where we force people to stand for an anthem, we will be no better than those countries where basic human rights are denied.

I realize there are veterans and serving military members in Canada and the United States who don’t share my views. I’m not attempting to change their minds. They have a right to their opinion and I have the right to mine.

It appears none of the NHL’s 27 black players will take a knee during the national anthems. Buffalo Sabres right wing Kyle Okposo, San Jose Sharks right wing Joel Ward and Philadelphia Flyers winger Wayne Simmonds expressed the hope that this issue leads to a more meaningful and constructive dialogue toward addressing discrimination and social injustice.

It’s a long-overdue conversation that’s well worth having, in America and around the world.

As for the Penguins’ upcoming trip to the White House, they were damned if they did and damned if they didn’t. They were going to catch hell, no matter what. 

Some observers are disappointed by their decision. They believe the team, and the league, missed an opportunity to show their support to their NFL peers and stand for social justice. Some even suggest the Penguins, by accepting Trump’s invitation, are standing with him or are at risk of becoming pawns for his agenda.

Others feel the Penguins are simply honoring the tradition of previous Stanley Cup champions (like themselves) being feted by the president at the White House. Those folks feel that not going would be an unforgivable snub by the team.

The timing of the Penguins’ statement, coming when emotions around the North American sports world were charged by President Trump’s comments, was piss poor. It inadvertently injected them into a contentious issue they, and the league, obviously wanted no part of.

Lost in the uproar, however, was the Penguins’ clearly indicated in their statement that their visit had nothing to do with the President’s policies or opinions. It’s the same protocol they followed when they attended last year’s ceremony under then-President Barack Obama. The same as every prior US-based Cup champion that visited the White House House, regardless of the occupant.

Nobody suggested those previous visits were tacit approval of presidential policies. It’s a leap in logic to suggest the Penguins’ visit this year is somehow supportive of President Trump.

Most NHL players pay scant attention to society’s problems. That’s not an excuse or defense. Their lives are largely sheltered from the burdens of real life. Those who do get involved in political or social issues tend to do so behind the scenes. They’re uncomfortable with drawing public attention to their views or lives away from the rink.

Some NHL followers wish the players would become more outspoken and step outside their protective hockey bubble and their bland public personas. Most fans and scribes, however, prefer hockey’s “team first” culture, criticizing players they feel put themselves above the team.

In 2012, goaltender Tim Thomas opted not to join his Boston Bruins’ teammates during their White House visit, citing his personal beliefs that the federal government was getting out of control. Some fans and reporters supported Thomas. Most did not. Now, many of his critics are calling upon the Penguins to follow his example.

We shouldn’t be surprised over the Penguins’ decision to accept the invitation to the White House. After all, their ownership signaled their intention months ago. In June, CEO and president David Morehouse told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette the team would go to the White House if they won the Stanley Cup. A month later, co-owner Ron Burkle shared that view during a Post-Gazette interview

Everyone knew the president was a polarizing figure long before the Penguins officially announced their decision. Curiously, those who expressed their disappointment and outrage since last Sunday were silent when the comments by Morehouse and Burkle appeared over the summer.

Many of those calling for the Penguins to change their minds are fearful that Trump could use the event as a stage to further his agenda against protesting NFL players. 

If that happens, the Penguins and the NHL will have to deal with the consequences. Still, this is a choice they made willingly, not one that was forced upon them. It could come back to haunt them but at least they had the freedom to make it. 

It’s likely this will remain a thorny issue for the league, and future Stanley Cup winners, over the remainder of Trump’s tenure in the White House. 



  1. I think injecting politics into sports, literally hijacking the venue, is despicable and wrong! This disrespects the people who fought and died for the flag, country, and the right to be an ass. Just because you can doesn’t mean you should!

  2. I’ll never visit your site again.

    • That’s your choice, Joe. Thanks for the feedback.

      • Lyle,
        Thanks for quite an honest article. I agree that we have rights and freedom in both Canada and the USA. I do wonder thought how kneeling during anthems actually does anything positive. Perhaps those kneeling should actually do something more in their communities or countries that decrease racial issues rather than protest. Action speaks louder than things like this.

      Disrespecting the military and police is not protesting.
      85% of Americans disagree with the view of Spector’s hockey.net.

      • They’re also the ones that voted a dbag in for president! Lol

  3. As a fellow veteran (US Army), I fully endorse what you have so eloquently said. I may not always agree with what someone protests, But I will defend their right to do so.

  4. Lyle, you hit every nail on the head. Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts. I will continue reading, just as I would have, had I not agreed with your views.

  5. Lyle, first thanks for your service. I’ve worked in retail over 20yrs and other then out door Christmas lights and I wouldn’t put any other Christmas decorations out until after November 11th (much to the disliking of my boss) because I always felt it deserved more respect then it got and it was my small way of saying thanks.
    With that said I did not agree with the kneeling and still don’t; in my opinion you are disrespecting the country you live in and the neighbor next to you. This is not to say there isn’t social injustice but to use this platform you show the do not care about the team that employ you and the man sitting in the stall beside you. When did the flag start to represent everything that is wrong in the Country.
    Yes you have the freedom of choice to do so and you also have choice of doing it differently.
    Last week one Steeler player stood by the tunnel as everyone else stayed inside. Within the week he had the number sales in jersey sales. The pressure this but on the teammates to agree also isn’t fair.
    Trump thanked Nascar and last night tweeted a picture of a hockey game with all the fans standing and yet the media comment was that these are white sports and its more proof that Trump is racist. By that standard all the fans of the NHL and Nascar or racist which is narrow minded and agenda motivated.
    Personally I stopped watching CNN and any other news show because they all have an angle and somewhere in between is the truth.
    Sports are my escape and I would like to keep it that way. I would hope going forward that the sports broadcast don’t talk about it and don’t comment on it, kneel or no kneel.

    • Caper,

      Very well said and I share your opinion.

    • It was only a miscommunication that villanueva stood alone… as he made very clear. That needs fact checked caper. Otherwise well said though I mostly disagree.

  6. Lyle,

    I’m not a fan of mixing politics and sports news. Maybe you should have a separate section for politics. I highly value your opinions regarding hockey, which is clearly your area of expertise.

    • This is a separate section of the site and the article clearly stated what it was about. You continued reading and then complained?

  7. Rob Ford!!! Who’s in?

    To say “NFL players and team owners staged a protest over President Trump’s comments against several black players staging peaceful protests against police brutality toward the black community by taking a knee during the national anthem.”

    Is a total fabrication in itself!

    No! His comments weren’t directed toward black players! Beyond ridiculous! It was aimed at ANY player taking a knee!’ Where did this become racial? Other than the media!

    Really, this seems more like a ploy to invoke hits than an actual stand, caring , or belief about what’s really going on in this country!!

    So which is it? A stand up for inequality? Or a stand against the “racist” president?

    Again, when we want foreigners influencing our elections, we’ll ask Russia… (sarcasm)

    • As a white Canadian happening to be living in the US south I can surely agree that racism still exists, whether it be in the local school system to the surgical precision in which the white political majority gerrymandering out any sort of minority influence. now we have a president who declares on one hand that there are good folks on both sides in Charlottesville and on the other hand sobs protesting. Total bigotry supported by a white evengelical majority that does and says nothing. What does that spell?: Facism. Hitler did the same thing supported by the church too.
      Thank you Lyle for your service in the cause of true freedom

    • NYR I really don’t see what you get so upset about all this for? Guys are kneeling who f-ING cares? Are they hurting anybody…..no they are doing something they believe in and it’s their RIGHT to do it on whatever stage they want. Whether it’s for equality or against racist president it doesn’t matter it is their right to do it

  8. Sports is a huge part of our society. Athletes, in particular African American athletes, are criticised when they don’t speak up on these issues for the simple fact that they have a platform that reaches many people. I understand when they don’t, and I respect the ones that do as they open themselves up for criticism at potential financial harm. Just ask Kaepernick how that is going.
    He is protesting about a specific issue, racial injustice, specifically in the justice system. Not the army, the country at large, the police or the flag.
    There are mountains of statistical evidence to support his stance. It is fact not opinion. He is also nuanced enough to understand this is not simply a policing issue. They are also in an impossible position. It has to do with multiple policies and funding that would take a thousand words to explain and just scratch the surface. He has stated this himself.
    Should he have chosen a different vehicle for his protest, that is a fair argument, and you could justify that he is naive when it comes to the media and politics.
    It seems obvious that this is being politicized by Trump for his own gain and to distract. Obvious to me any way.
    It is a difficult subject and it needs to be addressed instead of attacking the ones with the balls to take a stand against it.

  9. Thank you for this read; it acknowledged the complexity of the issue, and I appreciate that you, as a veteran, support people’s rights for freedom of speech and peaceful assembly.

    As a Penguins fan, I too felt a disappointed sense in the months after the cup win that the team would go along with tradition anyway. But then Trump’s crazy tweets last weekend happened, and the sports world changed in an instant. It’s my belief, as a woman of color, that the personal is political, and that sports was never completely separate from politics. But Trump interjecting himself into sports and threatening to fire pro athletes, framing their protests against police brutality and racism as being antimilitary and anti-American, is divisive and oppressive. I feel like it’s brought out the ugly side of sports.

    It’s deeply unfortunate that the Penguins PR decided to release their statement in the same weekend that other major sports figures were using their platform to speak out. That’s when my casual disappointment turned into hurt and anger. Did the Penguins live in some kind of vacuum? Yes, it’s not their duty to be warriors for social justice, but their visit with a man who managed to victim-blame the people of Puerto Rico will not be seen as apolitical. These aren’t normal times, especially for those in America who aren’t white, straight, male, etc. We constantly live in fear that our rights are going to be taken away. I’ve lost count of how many times the GOP in Congress have attempted to strip us of health care.

    As I’ve read through the numerous takes, the uproar over the Penguins’ statement, and the backlash to that uproar, I’ve observed that those defending the visit, wanting politics out of their hockey, saying that the visit does not represent an endorsement, etc., are overwhelmingly white. It’s hard to not see their response as blind to the fans, players, and journalists who are not white, and thus experience things differently than white people do. The issue of race is undeniably wrapped up in the argument (thanks, Trump). If the NHL wanted to grow their sport and become as big as basketball and football in the U.S., they’re doing the opposite by allowing themselves to become 45’s pawn. Yes, there would be many fans who would be upset if Penguins decided to skip. I can imagine all the (white) fans furiously burning their Penguins jerseys, instead of donating them to a shelter, and boycotting season tickets. So I understand it was a corporate decision to not alienate their fan base. In my native Bay Area on the West Coast, it’s the exact opposite, because of the diverse demographics. So personally I am against the WH visit, but realize the hard truth is that corporations and money win in the end. I have hope that the hockey world is changing and will become more accessible and embracing to PoC, women, WoC, LGBTQ, and other marginalized groups. Thank you for your service.

    • That almost sounds like a racist comment. This kneeling started over the police brutality against black, and Black lives matter. Yes they do. But to disagree with the platform is not a racist statement. I’m not naive and we all know there is politics in everything but when I watch sports I don’t want to know your political views, no more then I want to know about the player in the NHL the punched and kicked his pregnant girlfriend in the stomach and wonder why the NFL would let such a low life in their league.
      Let me just say this; I’m a white Canadian who lives in a City with few people of color, I know 0 people of color but I strongly agree that you and I and any other ethnic individual should be treated the same.
      I truly hope equality comes for one and all. It’s sad that you have to fight for it. Hopefully you get there soon. But I wouldn’t be laying the blame at Trumps feet, if anything he actually is helping the dialog, and no that wasn’t his agenda.

      • Caper, I’m not following you when you say “that almost sounds like a racist comment.” Can you point out where I said anything racist? And the media is not accusing the Penguins of being racist; we don’t know what their political positions or beliefs are. But by still going to WH after everything Trump and his administration have done so far (his racist policies, refusing to condemn white supremacist violence, disrespect of women, his war on freedom of the press, reckless tweets, wanting to take away health care from the most vulnerable in this nation, etc.), it inevitably sends a message to the world. A picture of an all-white hockey team surrounding the racist in chief is going to be very bad optics. As Lyle said, if 45 uses that opportunity to further his agenda (he’s already using hockey as a prop on his Twitter), that will taint the legacy of the Penguins and NHL. Far away in Canada, what Trump is doing may not seem like a big deal because it does not affect you. But as an American and woman of color, I cannot tell you enough about the pain he is causing to this country. If he’s “helping” anything, it’s to create chaos, to dehumanize marginalized communities and ignite culture wars. He isn’t helping the dialogue; Black Lives Matter and Kaepernick were raising awareness and starting the dialogue before 45 came to power. For us PoC, it is plain to see that Trump has issues with black and brown people.

        It’s great that you want equality, and if you want to play a part in making that happen, it’s essential to educate yourself on issues of race in America, what exactly racism is, and to listen to what people of color are trying to say. Equality cannot happen with people of color fighting on their own, we need white allies to empathize and fight with us.

        I attached these articles that would help if you want to get informed in understanding the experiences of non-white people.



      • Christine, I know very well what racism is and thank you for your link; however there is 3 different definitions of Racism in Webster dictionary.
        As I said I don’t believe professional sport and your employer business is the place for the platform. Take it to the steps of the WH, gather the well known and well respected and lead the way.
        In Canada your plight is no different then what the Aboriginals face on a daily bases and unfortunately in Canada we talk all about the US and turn a blind eye to what’s happening in our own backyard.
        I hear people on a daily bases talking about Trump and all the racial uproar, and how pathetic it is in the States. Yet it’s happening right here in their own backyard and they won’t even acknowledge it.
        Police is Saskatoon drive aboriginal to the out skirts of the city -25 temps, just to kick them out of the cruiser and make them walk back.
        The sad part for me is all the attention that our media in Canada pays to the States and totally ignores what is going on in their own Country, were they could’ve used this opportunity to draw attention to the same fight for the Aboriginals of Canada

  10. Lyle, I’m a retired US Army veteran, and I agree with you in that they have a right to take a knee, even though I personally don’t approve of it. It’s a slippery slope argument for either side.

  11. Great writing Lyle. One thing we need to remember and not allow the media or trump do is turn away from the actual thing being protested…and let me assure you all, it has nothing to do with the flag or the country.

    • You’re right Ron Moore. That needs to be pointed out more often.

  12. Hi Lyle, just wanted to say cheers for addressing the issues as they arise. I’ve been visiting your site every morning since 2006 (I think), and I’ve never seen your authorship as an attempt to sensationalize the news or to trumpet your own views while shutting-down others. I think it’s safe to say that most readers congregate here to get a concise hockey news/rumour summary, and we know you well enough to know that you are just doing your job by speaking to the latest political issues that have been getting attention in the hockey community. This is your “soapbox” and our choice to read it; I’m sure most of the readers are grateful for the opportunity.

  13. An obligation of citizenship should be to critically analyze, and then act upon, wrongs that exist in our society. Prejudice is wrong. Divisiveness is wrong. When Kapernick took a knee it was in response to the wrongs he saw and he used the platform he had to draw attention to them. Many of the more recent protests in solidarity were in response to ignorant comments made by the president. POTUS creates and further exploits divisions that exist for his own entertainment or what he perceives will further his agenda- rich v poor, educated v not so well educated, urban v rural, black v white, fake news v real news…

    What is fundamentally absent from the entire conversation is that the people taking a knee have absolutely every right to do so. Attributed to Voltaire, some 200+ years ago, is this quote- “I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.”

    • I believe you are wrong as follows:

      1. Kapernick has a right to speak for Kapernick and not the 49ers whose uniform he wore when speaking. This is not a constitutional right. Say what you want but do not implicate your team or your employer.

      2. The divisions you refer to are real and Trump should not say many of the things he says,BUT he did not create these divsions; they were created by his predecessor when he state that the jury verdict in the Martin case was wrong even though he never heard all of the facts and there was no proof of wrong doing. By challenging the jury system which is bedrock to our justice system he led blacks to believe that they need not respect verdicts property reached simply because they do not agree. This was the crack in the dike that opened the way for all sorts of opportunistic politicians and agitators to say and do things that harm us all.

      • Tom M, no proof of wrong doing in the Martin case?
        A teenager is dead. He left his house to go get skittles from the store and didn’t make it home alive. No weapons except for the adult that killed him and who initiated the confrontation. What exactly is the evidence that was missing?
        This was the victim’s fault?

      • Ray Bark,

        Zimmerman didn’t gun down this kid while he was in a store buying skittles! There’s a lot more to this story than you’re making it out to be. Nobody is denying there was a physical confrontation between these two. From there it’s a little foggy. Did he reach roe Zimmerman gun? Did he verbally threaten to kill Zimmerman while reaching for his gun? I don’t know. And neither does anyone but Zimmerman.

        That being said, Zimmerman was a little overzealous in his pursuit of this kid, and should have stayed in his car. But Zimmerman Should have NEVER been charged with 1st degree murder. Amateur mistake by an amateur overzealous DA. Manslaughter, or involuntary manslaughter would be more accurate. 2nd degree murder on a really generous day… but I think that’s even a stretch.

        What gets lost in this is the white on black bs. The man is Hispanic (with African ancestry) and German.

      • Agree Nyr4life, race shouldn’t matter. The fact that Zimmerman is Hispanic and German means nothing and doesn’t mean he isn’t racist any more than it means he is. A teenage kid is walking home from the store is dead by no cause of his own. No confrontation should have ever taken place, that is the point. He walked home from the store and is dead. A little over zealous? A kid is dead. Why was he packing a gun? We have no idea what happened that night other than an armed adult ended up in a confrontation with an unarmed teenager due to the actions of the adult. Why did Zimmerman get out and follow him and why did it end up in a confrontation? He had nothing better to do? Why did he assume/guess he was a criminal as that is the only reason to follow and confront him.
        I would not assume that it wasn’t race, seems a bit naive.
        Zimmerman is free Martin is dead. It is a travesty of justice no matter which part of the system you choose to blame.

      • Zimmerman is black, Hispanic and German….. not just German and Hispanic…. again this doesn’t fit the narrative of a hate or racial crime…. at all!

        Zimmerman gun was 100% legal, and he also owns a concealed carry permit in Florida. Which gives him the right to pretty much carry anywhere he wants within the southeast US ,with few exceptions (banks, schools, or where it’s posted to not carry)

        This story has so much more details of why this all went down. Robberies in the neighborhood, him fitting the description of a person of suspicion….. honestly, it would be just easier to wiki the story rather than me going to every detail.

        But my point is still the same…. This wasn’t as clear cut and dry as a kid walking home with his skittles

      • we will have to agree to disagree Nyr4life and get back to debating NHL roster moves.
        I think it is that simple because that is all the victim was doing, and nothing happened to the guy that killed him and I don’t care how Zimmerman tried to excuse it as he it is his story with no backup or evidence to support it.
        He should be in jail.

  14. I’m sorry Lyle, but I disagree. If their protest had any merit, I would agree, but the timing is purely politically motivated and racially divisive. Corruption in the US has been rampant the last few decades and we finally have an “outsider” and not a career politician in office trying to undo the damage that have been done by the past regimes. The media is controlled in the US and very biased with their anti-Trump agenda and I’m afraid you are buying into it. I’m also afraid that this “movement” will only increase the number of police officers killed while on duty. Most middle-class Americans are at an impasse with “politics as usual” and have started a much needed revolution for patriotism and accountability as well as economic growth. We are going to bring back American values, something that the government has tried to extinguish. Kneeling for the national anthem may be their right, but it’s also my right to be offended by their lack of national prestige as an employee of a major sporting showcasing while at work in a taxpayer paid arena and to react accordingly.

  15. Lyle, I am a long time fan of your site and your well written article here just makes me love it even more. I fully agree with you and appreciate your having the guts (like the athletes) to stand up and be heard. We live in trying times on so many levels. I find it difficult to believe that some people are upset that athletes are expressing their opinions, but they have every right to do so in a “free” society. Simply put, some of us humans want changes made as we are not satisfied with certain things. I could go on and on, but this is not the forum to do so!

  16. Lyle, thank you for your eloquence.

    I am a life long NYR fan. I became a hockey fan when I came to US in 1971 from East Pakistan (now Bangladesh). Ice Hockey was the closest thing to soccer, but faster, more physical – simply better – I was hooked. And then there were my heroes – Brad Park, the GAG line and even the Big Whistle. And then there was the greatest of that time Bobby Orr.

    Why do I bother to give you the history. I came here to live the American Dream – and I am grateful for I have. I came here and stayed here because of what this country stands for – freedom of thought, freedom of religion, freedom of press, separation of church and state and the venerable precepts of our great constitution.

    Perhaps the greatest power of the people in America has been their ability to have dialogue and progress change – sometime to the positive and sometimes to the negative, depending on one’s perspective. The right to peaceful protest is human and inalienable. I do not believe I have the right to quash someone’s voice – I may not necessarily agree, I do not have to listen, I do not have to associate with them, but I do not have the right to stop them.

    I understand that many feel that kneeling during the national anthem shows disrespect towards our men and women who serve and have served in the armed forces. I do not for a moment believe that these athletes are not grateful to the men and women who serve and have served. We should not confuse the two – we may not support the means or the forum they have chosen to protest social injustice, but we should try to discern the difference between social protest and disrespect towards those who serve and have served.

    We are in the midst of great change. Let us hear each other, and trust that the good will come out.

  17. Great article mr Lyle. Brought out kooks on both sides as you must have known. I personally can’t wait till this current kerfluffle blows over so people can stop manipulating a simple peaceful protest of racial discrimination into whatever fits their worldview.

  18. Great read, I particularly liked this quote, “Serving my country doesn’t entitle me to enforce my beliefs and opinions upon my fellow citizens. That’s not what a free society does. It is, however, what dictatorships do.”

  19. I also am a US Army vet but I don’t think that has the slightest bearing on this matter. I see two issues:

    1. As to the assertion that blacks are more often than not victims of police mistreatment, current FBI stats simply do not support that contention. This is not to say that no cop ever oversteps the limits but that affects all races.

    2. I once practiced law and suggest that there is no Fourth Amendment right for any employee to express his/her views on company time. You can get fired. In the NFL case,the players are attempting to expropriate the Gooddwill attached to the team franchise which is also wrong. Say what you wish, but not in uniform and not on the bosses time.

    Professional athletes alson with Hollywood personalities are very fortunate to have very well paying jobs. That does not make them “smart” nor does it make their opinion any more valuable than any other citizens.

    • the league cracked down on end zone celebrations but allow this? and what about throwing a game because the quarterback didn’t kneel?
      Some of the posts I read from Canadians show how clueless they are to American politics. Thank God Trump is our president! The 1st president in a long time that actually serves the people. I hope this revolution expands around the world…

      • I seriously doubt that will happen WHS as there is now plenty of evidence to show why that would be a very bad idea. Revolution is also a bit of a stretch. I don’t think the folks that elected Trump actually though that draining the swamp meant just replacing the gators. There is no way in hell Trump would ever get elected in Canada. And yes our politics are different as is our political system. It doesn’t mean we are clueless about it. I subscribe to both Canadian and US newspapers and we get all your news channels up here.
        Your politics are interesting compared to ours, I will give you that.
        I get why people voted for him, there needs to be significant change. Unfortunately he lied about it all.

  20. I never seen my president lie, but I have seen the media sources you name do quite regularly. Waste of money! I do not read the newspaper because it is all propaganda and no “real news”. They only follow their own objectives as dictated by their owners. News channels are a bigger joke. Unfortunately my president can’t do it alone. Congress has not backed him up and government agencies have giving him bad advice. He has brought in jobs, been visible and proactive during these natural disasters, including giving a presidential order to distribute relief aid to Puerto Rico, bypassing the teamsters that are on strike with the Democratic Party’s encouragement. Hell, he didn’t want to be president, but knew this country needed him and is trying to do his best to rid this government of corruption.

    • This ^^^

    • So I guess Donald is right the media is the enemy of the people. What was I thinking.You guys do understand that you can fact check what Trump says and what the media says on your own. It’s called the magic google machine. Some of it is even part of the public record.
      Do your homework boys from multiple sources and you may have a different view on things. Some media outlets even have evidence standards and fact checkers on staff. And yes they can still make mistakes. Go figure!
      All I can say is wow and thankfully that type of thinking hasn’t made it up here to our great country. I will fight in every way I can to do my small part to make sure it never does including confronting people who spew BS.
      How did we get to this point? Depressing.

      • So when you use the magic google machine it automatically brings up factual pages? Lol! Like Huffington post? They claimed McDonalds was doing away with the Big Mac once, imagine how wrong they are on politics? Just yesterday cbs, NBC, the huffington post etc had Tom Petty dead, then they retracted, then dead again , then retracted, then finally dead again around midnight!!!!

        Google by no stretch is magic, it brings up the same crap and sources most don’t trust in the 1st place. Even the all knowing snopes has been under heavy fire for taking money , and bending to make a story real or not real!

        This entire NFL story vs Trump… even here has been totally bent and twisted as I pointed out in my very first post…..