Sunday NHL Rumor Roundup – November 5, 2017
Fallout from the failed three-team trade involving Matt Duchene & Kyle Turris in your Sunday NHL rumor roundup.
SPORTSNET: Elliotte Friedman broke down what the failed three-way trade involving the Ottawa Senators, Colorado Avalanche and Nashville Predators would’ve looked like. The Sens were to ship center Kyle Turris to the Preds, who would send a package of draft picks and prospects to the Avs, who would’ve dealt center Matt Duchene to Ottawa.
Friedman doesn’t believe this is over, citing the Avs’ motivation to trade Duchene and the Sens’ desire to acquire him, but he doesn’t know if the Predators will be involved. His colleague Chris Johnston said Duchene would be comfortable joining the Senators.
Friedman said the Preds and Avs have talked a long time going back to last season about Duchene. and at one point all four of Nashville’s top-four defensemen (Roman Josi, P.K. Subban, Ryan Ellis and Mattias Ekholm) were “kind of brought up” in those discussions. He thinks Ekholm was brought up but the Preds weren’t willing to do that and doesn’t think he was mentioned in this particular set of talks.
Regarding Turris, Nick Kypreos finds it highly unlikely that he remains with the Senators. Turris is a UFA at season’s end and seeks around $6-$6.5 million annually on a seven- or eight-year deal. Even if Senators GM Pierre Dorion was agreeable toward those numbers, he doesn’t have the support of team owner Eugene Melnyk on that type of deal.
FWIW, I don’t believe the Predators ever talked contract with the Kyle Turris camp. Never got that far is what I’m told.
— Pierre LeBrun (@PierreVLeBrun) November 5, 2017
I’ve heard of 2 options Col was considering in 3 way trade. 1) 4 picks and a prospect (high picks). 2) two prospects and a 1st and 3rd.
— Darren Dreger (@DarrenDreger) November 5, 2017
OTTAWA SUN: Bruce Garrioch notes there’s nothing stopping Dorion and Avalanche GM Joe Sakic from sitting down face-to-face to discuss a Duchene deal while their two clubs are in Sweden for a back-to-back series in Stockholm at the end of this week. He also claims the Predators, Montreal Canadiens and Carolina Hurricanes are among “seven or eight clubs” that have shown interest in Duchene. He points out the Avs seek a defenseman as part of their asking price for Duchene.
Garrioch believes the Senators willingness to include Turris in a three-way deal for Duchene indicates they’re willing to move on from their top center. It’s not known if Turris’ agent was given permission to speak with the Predators regarding a contract extension for his client. Garrioch adds the St. Louis Blues showed some preseason interest in Turris. While it’s still possible Turris and Sens management could still bridge the gap in contract talks the odds now appear slim. It doesn’t sound as though the Avs are interested in Turris, otherwise there’d be no reason to get a third team involved in moving Duchene to Ottawa.
THE ATHLETIC: James Gordon wonders what comes next after this deal fell through. He doubts the Turris camp leaked this story as it puts their client in a tough spot. Given that any deal with the Preds would involve Turris agreeing to sign with them means it would make little sense for Nashville or Ottawa to rock the boat. Despite Dorion’s claims this won’t be a distraction for his players, Gordon believes it will be until this gets resolved.
Gordon notes the Avs are willing to remain patient but the Sens don’t have that luxury with Turris, noting they can’t afford to lose him for nothing to free agency. He also wonders if the Senators and Predators might do a deal without the Avalanche involving Turris if he’s willing to sign with Nashville.
BSN DENVER: Adrian Dater reports being told this three-way trade wasn’t as close to being completed as some believe, at least from the Avs’ perspective. He said Sakic isn’t budging off his demand for “a TOP young D-man and/or TOP D-man prospect” and doesn’t expect he will.
NBC SPORTS BOSTON: Joe Haggerty believes Turris would be a good fit down the middle for the Bruins, but admits it would be difficult for them to pull off a deal with a division rival.
TORONTO SUN: If the Nashville Predators are in any way considering trading away Ekholm, Steve Simmons believes the Toronto Maple Leafs should look into getting him. Simmons notes Predators GM David Poile dealt away defensemen before, such as Shea Weber and Seth Jones.
SPECTOR’S NOTE: Unless the Predators are willing to send Ekholm or a good young defenseman to the Avs as part of the deal, I don’t think this three-way deal gets done. Maybe the Sens can contact another club with interest in Duchene or seeking depth at center (Hurricanes, perhaps?) and see if they might be interested in Turris. Perhaps the Senators and Avalanche can do a deal between themselves, but it’ll mean the Sens give up one of their promising young d-men (likely Thomas Chabot) as part of the return. To offset that, maybe they can then ship Turris to another club for a top blueline prospect.
Unless the Turris camp is willing to accept a shorter-term contract, I believe this is his final season with the Senators. With Dion Phaneuf and Bobby Ryan on big contracts and Erik Karlsson and Mark Stone due for big raises in the near future, they simply cannot afford to tie up a lot of money for a long time with Turris. Of course, they’ll face that problem with Duchene in 2019, but perhaps Dorion feels he can reach a more agreeable arrangement with him. It’s clear, however, that the Sens willingness to move Turris in a three-way deal for Duchene indicates he doesn’t have a long-term future in Ottawa.
I’ll be very surprised if the Bruins are able to land Turris via trade this season. If they’re interested in him, they’ll likely wait to pursue him via next summer’s free-agent market.
Predators GM Poile made it very clear this summer that he’s unwilling to move any of his top-four defensemen. I don’t believe he’s changed his mind. I think he’s willing to move some futures to bring in that center he seeks but I don’t see him dealing Ekholm. The Leafs will have to look elsewhere for blueline help.
SPORTSNET: Kypreos reports Montreal Canadiens goalie Carey Price is believed to have suffered a minor knee injury but it’s not considered serious or long term. When asked if he felt the Habs might trade Price, he notes the goalie has a full no-move clause immediately and in his new deal. If the struggling Canadiens decide to rebuild, he wonders if there’s a place for a goalie earning $10.5 million annually in that plan or if Price wants to be part of a rebuild. If Price were available, Friedman believes health would be the biggest concern, given his history of knee problems.
SPECTOR’S NOTE: Kypreos and Friedman are just speculating out loud among themselves right now. There’s no indication the Canadiens want to trade Price, that they’re looking at blowing up their roster to rebuild or that Price wants out of Montreal. Sure, Price could be traded, but I don’t believe he or the Habs are anywhere close to that situation right now. If the Habs weren’t off to a poor start and if Price was playing at his usual stellar level, no one would be suggesting a trade scenario. Let’s see how this season shakes out for the Canadiens before we start lending any credence to any talk of trading their franchise player.