NHL Post-Trade Deadline Rumor Mill – February 27, 2018

by | Feb 27, 2018 | Rumors | 98 comments

The 2018 NHL Trade Deadline is history but that doesn’t stop the rumor mill. Check out the latest on the Senators and Sabres plus an update on Patrick Maroon.

How long will Erik Karlsson remain with the Ottawa Senators? (Photo via NHL Images)

WHAT’S NEXT FOR THE SENATORS?

FANRAG SPORTS NETWORK: Chris Nichols cites NHL insider Darren Dreger yesterday telling Toronto’s TSN 1050 the Vegas Golden Knights and Tampa Bay Lightning were among the six teams pursuing Ottawa Senators defenseman Erik Karlsson leading up to the 3 pm ET trade deadline. While the Senators ultimately retained Karlsson and general manager Pierre Dorion remains optimistic about re-signing the blueliner, Dreger is skeptical a reconciliation can be reached. He also said the Edmonton Oilers weren’t on Karlsson’s list of preferred trade destinations.

Sportsnet’s Elliotte Friedman, meanwhile, told NHL Network the Golden Knights came the closest to landing Karlsson, “They offered some players, some draft picks – probably about six pieces – and they offered to take Bobby Ryan,” said Friedman, who noted the Senators thought about it but decided not to pull the trigger.

THE ATHLETIC: Chris Stevenson believes there’s reason for hope that the Senators could re-sign Karlsson, who has a year remaining on his contract. He noted Senators general manager Pierre Dorion claiming he has a good relationship with the blueliner, who he believes wants to be a Senator for life. If that’s the case, and if the Sens don’t move Karlsson before July 1 (the earliest they can open contract talks with their captain), Stevenson feels they should re-sign him.

OTTAWA SUN: Ken Warren believes the fact the Senators were willing to entertain offer for Karlsson before the trade deadline doesn’t bode well for their chances of re-signing him. There could be more teams with interest in the two-time Norris Trophy winner this summer, which could mean better trade offers.

Wayne Scanlan believes the Karlsson trade rumors will carry on into the offseason. As long as the current team ownership remains in place, he feels Karlsson is less likely to re-sign.

Bruce Garrioch also reports several Western Conference teams, including the Winnipeg Jets and San Jose Sharks, had interest in Senators winger Zack Smith. The St. Louis Blues had been looking at Mike Hoffman since mid-season.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: The Karlsson trade-rumor mill will continue to churn away over the next several months, going into overdrive approaching the 2018 NHL Draft weekend (June 22-23) in Dallas. Sure, it’s possible he could re-sign with the Senators, but I think that’s unlikely now.

Rumors of friction between the Sens captain and team owner Eugene Melnyk reached a fever pitch over the last two weeks. If true, there’s little incentive for Karlsson to stay. There will be more teams, flush with extra salary-cap dollars, willing to make big offers for Ottawa’s superstar defenseman this summer. I also expect some of the clubs that had interest in Smith and Hoffman will circle back this summer. 

OFFSEASON CHANGES IN STORE FOR SABRES?

THE BUFFALO NEWS: Mike Harrington reports the Buffalo Sabres received just legitimate one offer – from the San Jose Sharks – for left wing Evander Kane. With the trade deadline approaching, Sabres GM Jason Botterill had little choice but to take it. There was no interest in forward Benoit Pouliot, defenseman Josh Gorges or goaltenders Robin Lehner and Chad Johnson.

WGR 550: Joe DiBiase reports “Josh Gorges, Benoit Pouliot, Victor Antipin, Robin Lehner, and Zemgus Girgensons, among others, had trade talk surrounding them for weeks, but general manager Jason Botterill didn’t end up trading any of them.” Gorges and Pouliot are unrestricted free agents this summer and probably won’t be back. Lehner is a restricted free agent with arbitration rights who’ll likely seek a significant pay increase over his current $4-million cap hit. DiBiase believes the Sabres will either re-sign him or attempt to shop his rights to a team in need of goaltending help.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: More changes are coming for the Sabres. After this horrible season, Botterill will attempt to overhaul the roster this summer. Gorges and Pouliot definitely won’t be back. I wouldn’t be surprised if they try to trade Girgensons.

Lehner’s situation could be tricky. He’s their best goaltender but he’ll definitely seek a big pay raise. Rather than get into an arbitration fight, they could peddle him before July. That could depend, however, on how much confidence they have in Linus Ullmark to step up as their starter. They could trade Lehner and attempt to bring in an experienced backup to mentor Ullmark. 

COULD MAROON RETURN TO THE OILERS?

EDMONTON JOURNAL: Jim Matheson reports winger Patrick Maroon isn’t ruling out returning to the Oilers as a free agent in July. The Oilers dealt him to the New Jersey Devils prior to Monday’s trade deadline. “Yeah, I’ll be circling back July 1 to see if I can be an Edmonton Oiler again … Peter (Chiarelli) knows I love it there, Todd (McLellan) knows I like it, all the players know it,” said Maroon. 

SPECTOR’S NOTE: I don’t doubt Maroon’s sincerity about returning to the Oilers. However, there are two significant obstacles in the way.

One is the Oilers’ limited cap space for next season. Cap Friendly indicates they have over $61.5 million tied up in 14 players for 2018-19. Their most notable free agent to re-sign is restricted free agent defenseman Darnell Nurse. Even if the cap increases to $80 million, the raise for Nurse and efforts to add a top-four defenseman and a top-six winger won’t leave them with much room to re-sign Maroon, who could seek double his current $2-million annual cap hit.

The other is the Oilers’ need for more swift-skating wingers. That means Maroon probably doesn’t fit into their plans. 

 








98 Comments

  1. I am surprised that Green did not move. I had him ranked as one of the best TDL targets.

    Goes to show you what character is worth in the Nash vs Kane trades

    • Ken Holland said teams were scared off by Mike Green’s recent neck injury, which could flare up any any time the rest of this season. That’s why he wasn’t traded

  2. So glad Pens got Jooris…. he played D as a 9yr old and will slot in well replacing Hunwick…. upgrade ….yeah!

    • Maybe its a superstition, first cup got Carolina’s GM, second Cup got Hainsey, third Cup pick up someone from Carolina even if you don’t need anyone, LOL

  3. botterill faced the get anything you can for your ufa vs stand strong and develop a rep as a strong negotiator for future deal making. if your return for a gorges or poiliot was a very late pick… maybe the benefit was a shot across the bow of his fellow GM’s… “I want this, I dont get it then screw off.”

    • Not sure about that Chrisms. Nobody was going to pay what they were asking for Kane. Immature and selfish, the opposite of as good team mate. He took what he could get.
      He would have done the same for Pouliot but he has a long history of taking stupid lazy penalties. Saw that first hand in Edmonton. No thanks.
      Gorges, good guy, good team mate, just can’t do it any more.
      If he could have gotten a 6 th rd pick he would have taken it. Another throw of the dart in the late round is better than nothing for players you have zero intention of keeping. Posturing for the next deal will not get you anything.

      • except a rep for not standing by your guns. I believe botterill took what he could get for kane cause the assets were significant , if underwhelming, but the others? I’m guessing he set a price, teams wouldnt meet it so he built negotiating collateral.

      • I still don’t understand how getting nothing in return builds negotiating collateral?
        He was trying to sell something nobody wanted.
        He had zero leverage to negotiate anything with assets like Pouliot and Gorges, and I would bet he never even got to the serious negotiation stage where he had to make that call to turn down anything. And if he did he is terrible negotiator if he didn’t understand the position he was in.

      • When Buffalo had Darcy Regier he would never ever trade any forward that had more than a year left on his current deal…he would trade them in last year with less value or usually let them walk out the door for zero in return like Drury, Briere, Afinogenov, McKee, etc… I like the Penguins way of doing it, they will sign guys and trade them when they still have value, of course with Kane Buffalo didn’t want to give him 7 million or more. I like the current GM, I already love his draft pick of Middelstadt…

        If anyone can name a player that Darcy traded who had multiple years left on current deal I would be interested to hear, I don’t recall any.

  4. They could not give Hunwick away.

    Also very surprised that JT Miller moved. I am not sure why and think that was a mistake. Vessey or Buchnevich would have been better from a Ranger perspective. I am sure the Bolts are laughing all the way to the bank

    • Solid trade for both teams. Miller is 6 months younger than Nemesnikov, this swap was kind of a wash for me. Miller is a better 2 way player but Namesnikov far better suited to play C.

      2 solid prospects in Howden & Hajek & what will become 2 1sts when TB extends McDonagh this summer.

      How can you not love what Yzerman is doing & has done since getting to TB. This was the best D option for TB, far better suited to their needs than Karlsson & will only cost 1/2 the salary to sign long term keeping Hedman as the #1 2 way Dman & McDonagh taking a secondary role as a shut down Dman & 2nd PP option.

      I don’t think NYR had to move in this direction but admire their resolve even if I don’t agree & once I get by the fact they are Gorton has done an amazing job of stock piling a ton of stud prospects & picks in a very short period of time. Less than a year. Moving forward now NYR has far more C options, Namestnikov & Spooner can both play C & Andersson & Chytil should be NHL ready next season but these acqusitions may allow for a little more seasoning time before these 2 studs enter the NHL.

      • Striker, totally agree Rangers did very well. Totally disagree with opinion it didn’t need to be done. Team went down toilet with multiple injuries to top players. Unloading guys on expiring contracts turned into a nice haul. Team really just as good as they where when you figure the roster players that replaced guys traded. Spooner for Nash. Namestnikov for Miller. Gara for Holden. McD has battled numerous injuries this season ( every season really) . Him and Grabner really only subtractions, but has given other guys a chance. Gorton has already said we should see both Chytil and Anderson up. Not a total tear down.

    • I guess Gorton was as an unsupportive gm as I am a fan?
      Lmao

      • Are you happy with the deals made by Gorton? I think he’s done exceptionally well even though I’m struggling with why.

      • I need time to process these choices made but as my mind starts to process the choices it sets NYR up exceptionally well for the next round of expansion in Seattle 3 in the summer of 2020.

        These future assets acquired today & potentially even last season will be exempt from the expansion draft. From a business perspective that is significant.

        & this retool, rebuild, what ever you wish to call it may be very quick potentially. Going to be very curious to see what NYR does this summer with all that cap space they have created. Spooner, Hayes, Namesnikov, Vesey & Skjei are all RFA’s & all will be getting raises but none are breaking the bank yet.

        I think Gorton has stock piled a ton os assets that ties very well into expansion & this will serve NYR exceptionally well down the road. Extremely sound asset management.

      • A couple points. Reports are that Tampa has had interest in Miller for some time. I’m sure Rangers would rather have included the older Zucharello who has 1year left before he’s a UFA. Only cap space created was MacD, all others where free agents. When you subtract Belesky, even with Boston retaining, and whatever Spooner gets next year, pretty much a wash. Not counting Miller/Nemestikov also a wash. And as far as picks, 2nd rd pick in 2019 becomes a 1st if Tampa wins cup this year or next, nothing to do with McDonaugh resigning!

  5. Oilers are in tuff they do not have a lot of options McDavid can’t do much more he has no line mates to help him. Their defense is average along with their goalie ,they have very few prospects. Unless the cap rises to 85 million Edmonton is in trouble. Lucic was not a good signing and trying to move his contract may be impossible unless Seattle takes him and if he waves his no trade.

    • Lesson learned..take all that cap for yourself you won’t have much to support you and ya won’t win.

  6. Yzerman and Tampa knocked it out of the park yesterday
    …kudos to the fan base and organization.

    They did exactly what they were suppose to and then some picking up TJ Miller as well, they did so without skipping a beat or worry about loosing a key roster player for a run this year and next!
    They did the responsible thing and truly upgraded where they needed to without getting hurt and kept the best prospects.
    Yet to be determined but one of the best trades of all time.. IMO

    Extremely well done and I am sure
    Richard IIlef… is breathing a bit better today…well done Yzerman…Iam jealous!
    LOL

    Moving on I really liked what Nashville did by getting Hartman he looks to fit there needs really well and under the radar really good pick up!

    As for Leafs I do not see Plekanecs fitting in there he looks really lost …and seeing footage of practice he looks really dissappointed!

    I thought the Vegas trade was a bit overpriced for Tatar as they really did not need him but if they don’t resign James Neal they have that player but it was a price to pay ..wander if they regret that down the road!

    • You don’t consider Namestnikov a key player for the Bolts? Logs almost 20 mins a night and 44 points this year!

      I guess with Johnson and Point as potential C’s he was surplus?

      • I agree but Miller & Namestnikov are virtually a wash for me, a bit of apples & oranges but Namesnikov played a ton of LW this year before Cooper moved him down to the 3rd line C spot moving Johnson to RW. Namesnikov will still seeing 1st line PP time at point of trade.

        He is better suited to play C in NYR a position they needed help with. Now NYR can role out Zibanejad, Namesnikov & Hayes as C’s, put them in what ever order you wish & Spooner can play C if needed. Eventually these prospects Gorton has accumulated will be NHL ready & assume far more significant roles allowing for some significant roster flexibility.

    • Kal El, a guy spends his career with one team, gets traded in late February, leaves his family and flies to Toronto, one practice and then flies to Florida and suits up for a game with his new team against a powerhouse lineup in Tampa Bay. You say he looks lost. Wow! Well done. You’re clearly on top of things, just brilliant observation.
      Any more gems for us?

    • I know issues with the price paid to acquire Tatar, an extremely low 1st, 2nd & 3rd spread out over 3 drafts & 4 years. Seems fair to me.

      Plekenac will really help the PK & in the faceoff dot playing in the #4 spot & if injuries happen he can bump up if required. Considering the cost this is a solid pick up for Tor. He will need 6 to 10 games to get comfortable in Tor’s system.

    • Hated losing Vladdy, 27th overall, has worked hard, & is a good guy. But although he is a solid NHL center, his numbers are a bit inflated on the Bolts. He will be of value to the Rangers, as he will take on any role, any minutes, always give 100%, be a great community guy, great teammate, and win more games than he loses. He may not be quite the player he’s shown this year, but he will be of immense value to the Rangers as they bring in a boatload of youngsters….a Brian Boyle role if you will. Watch the fans reaction the first time he returns for a better measure of his value than point production. Having Yzerman as GM and Vinick as owner is a blessing. I had the same seats in 2004 as I have now, and am looking forward to a run this year, and next.

  7. Not sure why people are upset on the return the Rangers got, it is pretty good IMO. Lets see, the Rangers got; Namestnikov, a 2018 1st round pick and a 2019 2nd round pick, Brett Howden and Libor Hajek. If Tampa wins the cup this year, the 2019 2nd round pick becomes a 1st round pick. So lets say that Tampa wins the cup, the Rangers now have two 1st round picks, Namestnikov, Howden and Hajek.

    Brett Howden is a 6’2″ centerman, who has won gold in the U20 World Juniors, Hlinka Memorial gold medal, CHL Top Prospects, U18 World Juniors bronze, and was top 3 for Canada in all those tournaments.

    Libor Hajek is a 6’2″ defenseman, who has won the Czech U16 Champion, the Czech Bronze Medal, Hlinka Memorial silver medal, CHL Top Prospects Game, was U20 World Juniors most assists by defenseman, had U20 World Juniors most points by Defenseman, and U20 World Juniors Top 3 Player on the team.

    So you add in how good Namestnikov is right now, bring in these two solid prospects in Howden and Hajek, those 3 players alone is a decent return. But then you add in at least one 1st round pick, with a high likelihood of two 1st round picks…that isn’t getting fleeced!

    • Namestnikov got all his point early on the season playing with Kucherov and Stamkos. Adds a countryman for Buch and maybe now Kovulchuk(yeah rebuilding).

      Take Namestnikov and Miller out of the trade and I am pleased. I would of preferred what Nashville paid for Hartman for Miller. Tampa won unless one of those prospects is top D D or 60 point center

    • @leafsadvocate

      I dont think anyone is saying the Rangers got ” fleeced ” at all…
      What I think and not speaking for anyone else is that the consensu fopr a teams needs they both did well but for the team looking to win multiple cups Tampa really did an amazing job to solidify both ends with upgrades and not have to part with any core or guys who will most likely not get a chance due to the current roster anyways!

      They say luck is not a real thing …
      Its when chance and opportunity meet and you are ready to heed the day.

      That was Tampa did.

      • Well said Kal El. I think both teams got what they needed.
        The Rangers were pragmatic about their future while they were still competitive and thus were able to maximize some good assets. That doesn’t happen often, plus they got in front of it with their fans.
        Well done by them as well.
        The Rangers now have plenty of cap space, a whack of picks and some good young prospects.
        Tavares wouldn’t even have to move…..

    • I can’t say I’m overall disappointed, I would have liked to see a better instant impact player involved coming back.

      As for Mcdonagh, I’ve said all year there was little or no chance he was getting re-signed at 30 years old to a rebuilding team… Zero surprise there. And honestly love seeing these two guys end up in Tampa. It will not hurt my feelings to watch Tampa win a cup. And not because of the conditional pick.

      It’s funny to see people sway back and forth with their opinions of NY. The last few years people here and other blogs criticized them for going all in and trading draft picks.

      Now, within 2 years they’ve added 5 actual (possibly 6) 1st rounders, a bunch of 2nd rounders, and a bunch of former 1stand 2nd rounders (Namestikov, Howden, Hajek) and now people are still finding a way to criticize them!

      A solid case of damned if you do, Damned if you don’t.

      Regardless of what people say, it was time to blow it up.

      • It really is the issue that the Rangers need the game breaking players so on the surface another late 1st rounder is usually at best a decent NHL player.
        Chytil to me is the wild card in the organization.

        I do think Miller becomes next level now where is job becomes to use his size and the 3rd guy on a line opposed to being used differently every game.

        Rangers still have that AV guy not helping young players grow. Show me one player has reached potential under AV….

      • Who is the Rangers Captain now? I’m pretty sure they traded a CAptain along w/ Nash who wore an A… Did they already announce who will replace them both? I know some teams don’t have a captain or they already have guys who wear A if somebody is hurt. Like Carter when he got hurt I think he had the A so Brown wore one. Not sure on that since Kopitar was made Captain I think the A’s were Carter and Doughty but he missed almost entire season.

      • DaLoth…Brendan Smith and Matt Beleskey will be the new Captain and Alternate respectively.

        Last captain and alternate got traded =P

        Can’t wait till draft day trades *crossing fingers*

    • Totally agree!
      Hajek will play in the memorial cup too this year, and an excellent chance Howden is their as well. A good showcase for these elite Junior players. NYR did very very well.

    • I agree fully. Almost everyone here lives in the now, most can’t look at year out never mind 5+. They base their assumptions on what teams got today.

      They slagged Sakic for virtually everything he’s done, the O’Reilly trade is 5+ years from playing out but Sakic was fleeced. Compher has looked great as a rookie, Zadarov will be a solid 2nd pairing Dman at a min 3 years from now, most likley better the remainder of that deal is years from the NHL.

  8. I think I only see one team that appreciably increased their chances of winning the Stanley Cup: Winnipeg.

    I still see NSH, TB and PGH in a top tier of favorites.

    But, I now see the Jets in their own tier just below. The team is talented enough to win a Stanley Cup with 3 legit scoring lines, but has so little playoff experience I can’t put them in the same group as the teams above.

    The Jets could easily beat NSH in Round 2, though. I’d just favor the East team in the Final at that point.

    Pretty much all of the other teams fall into “if they got hot and go on one of those magic runs” category.

    Those teams (NJ in 12, EDM in 06, CAR in 02) usually fall short in the end, though.

    • Wpg looks very scary.
      We will see if their goaltending can hold up. It has been fantastic this year, but it has always hindered them.

    • Unfortunately due to the NHL’s stupid bracket formula Win or Nas gets eliminated in the 2nd round. Same scenario plays out in the east & has since the NHL implemented this ridiculous bracket formula coming out of the last lock out.

      Let’s kill this aberration please. How can the NHL very smart lawyers think this is good for the game?

      The top 2 teams in each division make the playoffs, everyone else by winning %, 1 plays 8, 2 plays 7, etc. & you reseed by regular season standings every round. This basic formula was the norm for a 100 years & is used in virtually every other sport.

  9. Senators let the grudge of Vegas taking Methot cause them to not pull trigger… They will come to regret not ditching Bobby Ryan when they had the chance w/ King Karl… Who will just leave as a free agent letting them get nothing or get injured… Ottawa will rue the day they turned down the Knights for sure ;). I think CBJ made a lot of decent moves which might be enough to get into playoffs… Will be tough for Florida, Islanders, along with Carolina to crack into top 8 w/ moves teams ahead of them did… It will be poetic justice when Jets sweep Knights out of post season as Stasny gets a hat trick for costing them Brassard :).

    • Ottawa will get a better return if they make that trade in July.

    • I very much doubt ottawa will rue the missed opportunity from Vegas. Obviously the asking price want there. Everybody was saying the same thing about yzerman on the Douchene deal. You don’t want to rush a deal that potentially moves your franchise player.
      I saw Dorions interview yesterday as well As Paciorettys comments and sometimes I wonder how much the media really hyped these situations to get hits. Maybe the karlson situation gets resolved and he resigns. Maybe sens win the Dahlen lottery and gives karlson more incentive to sign, or maybe paves a way for an exit. Lots of possibilities lay between now and the summer.

      • I think you mean Drouin not Duchene? Or Sakic not Yzerman?

      • Sorry, Sakic not yzerman

      • Well lets see the Vegas GM is famous for trading Forsberg for Erat… Then he traded 3 picks a 1st/2nd/3rd for Tatar… Yet you think that will get a better return from another GM? What color is the sky in your world ;)? SEnators have no leverage, its known King Karl has a rift w/ the owner. Its a lot easier to move a guy like Duche over Karl… King Karl is going to want 10-13M cap hit on his next deal which limits the teams who can pay or afford that.

        I’m pretty sure if they are even able to trade him they wont get anything close to what Vegas offered. BTW Senators are the idiots who botched the Duche trade so its funny how mention that :). So the same team who blew it on the Duche deal since they didn’t want to pay Turris etc… Fell like a stone from a playoff team to a joke is going to do better in July :)? This is the franchise known for stud picks like Radical Bong along w/ Daigle :).

        You got less than 5 teams who can afford King Karl or even less that have the assets to get him. Vegas wont be as good next year likely losing 5-10 more games or having 10-20 less points. Tampa already made a deal to get McDonut, they can wait it out to try to sign Drew Doughty or King Karl for nothing. What team or return do you think they are going to get that will be better than what Vegas has offered? Whose GM has a reputation for losing trades over paying for players? While the SEnators botched the Duche trade helping Nashville more than Avalanche even in that one ;).

        In reality its going to be like a Ryan O’Reilley type return like the Avalanche botched… Also they were able to move Bobby Ryan in the trade w/ Vegas… So who or what will take Bobby Ryan’s 7.25M cap hit or contract now ;)? You had a chance to get rid of two problems for assets that can make better instead of losing out like they did now :).

      • Thanks for the insight, Bob MacKenzie. It’s interesting that you know so much about the situation when both Sportsnet and TSN said they’ll be double the suitors this summer.

        BTW, even if a team was looking to trade for Karlsson for one full season, it would be a hefty package.

        How do the Sens have no leverage? Karlsson only has a 10 team no trade list, they want to extend him and Karlsson has said nothing to the media that he doesn’t want to stay. He just bought a house in Ottawa, his wife is from Ottawa and all he said is that he won’t take a hometown discount. I’d feel the same way given the bargain Ottawa has had him for over the last 7 years.

        I’m not saying he’ll 100% stay, but it is far from a 0% chance. Don’t listen to everything you hear from Toronto based media.

      • Daoloth.

        Trading Erat for Forsberg was a hiuge mistake. The risk 1 takes when trading prospects. Forsberg hadn’t played a single NHL game when moved for Erat. I hated that trade then & even more today.

        I don’t believe that a very late 1st in 2018, 2nd in 2019 & a 3rd in 2021 is to much for Tatar. There is no guarantee that the assets acquired with these picks will ever match what Tatar is today, a perennially 20 to 25 goal scorer that can put up 40 to 45 points. Next season Tatar will see far better ice time in Vegas then he ever saw in Det under Blashill or Babcock.

        His 3 reaming years at 5.3 provides cost certainty & sets up Vegas’s top 2 lines moving forward whether Perron or Neal are retained this summer.

        Marchessault, Karlsson, Smith.
        Tatar, Haula, Tuch.

        If Perron or Neal can be retained even better but Tatar’s acquisition & he can play either wing just as effectively is a great addition, especially going into this years playoffs.

        There is no better bracket to have to come out of in the NHL than the Pacific. Of the 4 it’s potentially the easiest path to the Cup & certainly in round 1. Tatar gives Vgs 3 solid scoring lines.

        Perron, Haula, Neal.
        Marchessault, Karlsson, Smith.
        Tatar, Eakin, Tuch.

        It would be an amazing feat if Vgs some how won the Stanley Cup in their expansion season. I wonder if their success will have the NHL board of governors seriously questioning the current expansion rules or was this an aberration, just incredible work by McPhee & Gallant , some combination of all or ?

      • Van King Karl isn’t going to say anything to hurt his character or value… What do you think he will say screw this team and city? Your own statement shows King Karl has all the leverage while Senators have none. HE can submit a 10 team no trade list effectively blocking every single viable option to be traded to. So he can walk away free/clear without any compensation for Senators. At best he could tell OTtawa that he wants to go to a certain team that they allow him to talk to ahead of time… Then he can sign for 8 years instead of 7, otherwise he has no reason to allow them to trade him…

        STriker is right that it would be pointless for him to resign with Ottawa. Even if he did it would cost 10-12M or more for that… Vegas was willing to take Bobby Ryan, so even if they can trade King Karl they still are stuck with his 7.25M cap hit…

        There were 3 teams they claimed had legit offers or interest in him… That is 1/10th of the league if count 30 teams since 31st would be Ottawa having him. So maybe Vegas can still afford him, though they might be bidding against itself. I don’t think Tampa has the cap space to afford him anymore. Sharks would be another option if he even would allow that trade to happen… Then maybe they can get DeMelo/Heed something like that. SJ isn’t that loaded w/ prospects to make it worth while.

        If King Karl wants to win then Ottawa is already finished in his mind. He had 17 goals w/ 71 points last year… Right now he has 5 goals w/ 42 points in 56 games. He only played 77 games last year, so his value is only declining… What if he blows out his knee before this season is up? Ottawa has no leverage, nobody is forced or needs to take King Karl in a bloated trade. They can all wait then bid for him as UFA if they really want him.

        I don’t see people listing teams who can actually afford him or assets they have to ship for him. Dallas I don’t think has the cap space which some seem to think would go for him. Tampa made their trades so now I don’t see them having enough free. Vegas has to sign RFAs like Colin Miller along w/ the Real King Karl who are currently making 1M each. So they will get substantial raises, Fleury is in his last year. Its hard to expect him to do this week next year or stay healthy not get hurt etc. Marchessault goes from making below 1M to 5M. You get a fair amt of contracts that will be gone from VEgas so they should have enough cash out of all the NHL teams. They could decide they want Drew Doughty instead depending how things go w/ the Kings. If they got him then I don’t see anybody really left w/ assets/cap space along w/ interest while not being on King Karl’s no trade list.

        You seem to think he is going to stay with Ottawa to rebuild ;)? AT least Drew might stay in LA since they have Quick… Though I think he is more likely to leave for Tampa or Vegas before staying there ;). Sharks might be the only team besides Vegas that will have the cap space to handle a 10-13M cap hit.

        See when a player can dictate where he goes teams don’t have power or leverage. Look at Mike Green supposedly he would only agree to play for Wash/TB but Detroit didn’t deal him? Its like he is going to leave as UFA but you don’t trade him? Maybe they think they can get a return for him in July too hehe. You don’t tell somebody knocking at a window for crack at 5 AM to come back in July expecting a better payment. You gotta deal while teams are desperate thinking they got a chance to win Cup. Not give them all this time to think about if they should trade or just sit back to sign as UfA.

        IF Tampa, Sharks, or Vegas won the Cup this year they would have a lot less interest in King Karl. How is his value going to rise when he had 17 goals/71 Points last year only to have 5 goals thus far? HE is on pace for less than 10 goals w/ maybe 60 points if he gets hot. I hope the full trade details they balked are are released… That way whatever happens can be compared to that. Now King Karl is a rental who has all the leverage to decide if he even allows a trade :). Nobody needs him since being on Ottawa he isn’t a threat in playoffs or to cost them it ;).

    • Ott will most likely move Karlsson, neither Karlsson nor Ott benefit should he sign long term, any monies locked up in Karlsson & it’s going to cost at least 9.5 to sign him if not more & Melnyk will cheap out else where as Ott has an internal cap issue, nor is Karlsson bringing a cup there over that time due to such. By the time Ott gets a new building & monies flow more freely he will be in offensive decline & he isn’t transitioning into a shut down role.

      This summer Ott will have far more bidders available to make a deal with. They won’t rue the day & are better served to have waited. They will move Karlsson & force Ryan on someone getting a kings ransom in return.

      • Although I value your insight Strider, I don’t necessarily agree with you that Karlson won’t resign. I agree that Melnyk brings the most uncertainty to the team, but if Karlson stays, Douchene and Stone might as well, which creates a solid foundation for winning.

        In terms of not being able to win with a team with Karlson, I think the NHL has shown that it has been very hard to predict. Obviously teams like the pens and Chicago with and their fortunate drafting has shown that teams with high-end talent have great chance of winning the SC, this is all the more reason for the Sens to try their best to resign Karlson. Hockey like many other pro sports league,s relies a lot on luck when deciding who wins. Injuries can play a huge role on winning and you see that every year. Already we could see Pens losing Murray, TB losing Kucherov, and Bruins losing Bergeron and this could change the whole playoff landscape. Look at Vegas, no superstars, just a well-coached hard-working team with good goaltending showing they can win consistently. The Kings were like that too, nobody at the time thought their team would win.
        All I’m saying is if a team keeps its elite talent, has a good team structure and identity and gets exceptional goaltending, anything is possible.

  10. Ullmark is Buffalo’s #1 next year. He’ll be 24 going on 25 years old, and he’s been an AHL All-Star and top goalie for two years now.

    Botterill made sure Vegas wouldn’t take him, because they wanted him pretty bad…and I’ve read that plenty of GM’s like his style, his demeanor and personality, his competitiveness and his skill, and they’ve tried to get Botterill to part with him.

    He’s the goalie who will hold down the crease until Ukko-Pekka Luukkonen develops and is ready to be the franchise goaltender.

    (I don’t think that they’ll get some old washed-up backup, I think they’ll trade for someone like John Gillies to challenge Ullmark, that’s what they want, constant competition.)

    • Buf gave up nothing, Carrier & a 6th round pick, to have Vegas pass Ullmark over. Just saying, not meant to slight Ullmark, he should be ready to move to the NHL next season as Lehner’s back up & if he can handle the pressure & take the weak starts covering during injuries then the season following he starts to see more games & tougher competition. Getting better looks & if that works then Buf can look to trade Lehner or Ullmark when that time comes.

      How’s Darling looking with regular starts, no safety net & being asked to be a starter with the pressure associated with such, a total tire fire & Carolina better hope he is significantly better next season. His #’s were better than Ullmark’s & he got that development time in the NHL with Chicago under the exact scenario I’m recommending for Ullmark.

  11. If Carolina doesn’t make the playoffs Ron Francis and Bill Peters will be able to reuse their recorded post season press conference from last year to explain the off season goals and plans to address the team’s needs.

    • Wash, rinse, repeat. Are we sure Francis’ press conference yesterday wasn’t the taped one from 2014? 2015? 2016? Photoshopped in a new shirt, maybe?

    • LOL

    • Carolina is right on the cusp of taking a serious step up. This has been a methodical rebuild. Francis was hired as GM in April of 2014, he’s just completing year 4 of his rebuild & this roster & system is stocked every where but in net.

      Carolina is right on the cusp & had Francis’s signing of Darling not backfired they would be a playoff team, Ward almost got them there & not all hope is lost but it would shock me if Carolina can make up 5 points with 20 games to go.

  12. Is it possible Karlsson’s availability held up anytrades as teams hold back picks and stuff to try and make an offer for him over the summer?

  13. I saw it mentioned that Ottawa will wait to determine the winner of the lottery and then attempt to trade Karlsson to that team.for the 1rst pick and thus replace Karlsson with Dahlin.

    Would a team with the first overall pick trade it, even for a superstar D in his prime with a stud prospect already in their hands?

    How believable is that option.

    • I think that team would be nuts, and by no means is that a knock on Karlsson or what he brings.
      But odds are whoever wins the lottery has bigger issues than just a Karlsson or Dahlin missing piece.
      Dahlin is considered to be a franchise player, as is Karlsson. But at that stage , do I want a franchise player cost controlled, or a franchise player seeking 10-12+ per screaming towards 30?

      Karlsson without question will find a new home one way or the other. I just can’t see him on a bottom 10 team.

    • zero. teams most likely to get the number 1 overall will not be in the market for 1 year of erik k. certainly not over a potential franchise d man with many years of cost certainty.

    • See Senators who lost the Duche trade even if want to debate if Avalanche or Nashville won. I don’t think any dispute that SEnators finished last in that deal :). It will be them trying to move Duche soon, Bobby Ryan, King Karl then wondering why they get nothing :). Yeah I wait to see who wins the big MEgaMillions jackpot then offer to go half in for the ticket if will split the winnings ;). Haha yeah a team is going to win the lottery to have a player locked up via ELC or RFA to trade for King Karl who can walk ;). Not to mention who wants to be paid 10-12M+ while in decline as the player is injury prone fading in stats too. SEnators had a chance to trade w/ guy who gave a 1st/2nd/3rd rounder for Tatar along with Forsberg for Erat but balked ;)? Lets see how has TAmpa done on trades I’ll really trust I’ll get over on STeve :). Even Avalanche bombed getting that guy Grigorenko or whatever from Buffalo for O’Reilley who is a stud compared to anything in return :). SEnators same team who made mistake of signing Dion, only to get Gaborik along w/ a 7th rounder after Shore was flipped for him and Nate ;). I’m not sure any would even agree Ottawa has won a trade so its funny they think they didn’t blow it by not flipping him to Vegas for their insane offer w/ Bobby Ryan :).

      • I’ll give you a trade Ottawa won. Chet Pickard and Taylor Beck for Erik Karlsson. And surprisingly, it was David Poile that made the trade.

      • They did great trading Ben Bishop for Cory Conacher that was a real Cup winning deal :). AT the end of the day King Karl will probably walk away without them getting anything in return. I saw they said Tampa was in the running, Vegas, San Jose, so I’d like to see all these teams people think will be in the running… Also if the Kings are not able to keep Drew Doughty his value is vastly higher than Karl’s is… Kings would be more likely to ship him to Tampa since that is a team in East than Sharks or Vegas. I remember people were celebrating when they got Duche how great they would be too :).

      • I don’t know anyone who was celebrating the Duchene overpayment. They essentially got nothing for Turris in that transaction. If the TB offer for Karlsson was anything like the offer NYR took for McDonough, I can see why Ottawa waited until the summer.

        Ottawa never signed Dion and both of the trades they made weren’t bad at all. They dumped three horrible short term contract plus a couple futures that amounted to nothing so far for Phaneuf. Ottawa saved a ~$3M in actual salary in the Toronto trade and $5.5M in the Gaborik trade while also getting rid of Thompson’s $1.65M contract next year. I’m fine with both Phaneuf transactions.

        Other trades that worked well for Ottawa:

        Alex Auld for a 6th round pick that turned into Mark Stone
        Alex Kovalev for a 7th round pick that turned into Ryan Dzingel
        5th round pick for Mike Condon (they wouldn’t have made the playoffs without him last year)
        David Rundblad and a 2nd round pick for Turris

        There are lots of trades on both sides. I hated the Jonathan Dahlen for Alex Burrows trade, but Dahlen could be a bust. Every team makes bad trades, not just Ottawa.

    • That doesn’t make any sense for the team that gets Dahlin.

    • That’s alot of faith you all place in Dahlin.

      You don’t think even if a playoff bubble team wins the lottery they wpuldnt rather an established elite D over a defensive prospect no matter how highly touted he is.

      You all trashed Ottawa getting a highly touted goalie prospect by moving a 2nd line centre?

      No thought on the possibility of Ottawa pick gping with karlsson in the trade and a larger return of multiple pieces coming back.

      You all just think it be dumb to move Dahlin for karlsson

      Interesting.

      • Jeff Noel: That is a scenario where it could make sense. A playoff bubble team that happens to have the cap space to resign Karlsson long term.

        With Dahlin, the biggest thing is he’ll be dirt cheap for 3 years and cost controlled another four years when he seems like a lock to be at least a very good player. Even if he isn’t franchise caliber, it would be surprising if he isn’t at least a good top pairing defenseman. When players are projected as franchise players, the NHL is rarely wrong when you look at the last 30 years.

      • A couple of things to consider here. #1 is Karlsson making a bubble team a true contender on his own? #2 the enormous salary he’ll be demanding is keeping this bubble team intact? Somehow I think 10+ per will make that problematic.

        I don’t know why you’re getting upset on this topic. It’s opposing opinions. You’re saying people have all this faith in Dahlin, while arguing people having doubts about a 19 year old goaltender? That is flat out confusing.

        Again, IMO, and especially if NY wins the lottery, and I’m the guy making that decision… 11 out of 10 times I’m taking the cost controlled Dahlin.

      • Nyr4life: ? How did you get I’m upset about the Karlsson/Dahlin topic. I actually sided with the “it makes little sense to trade Dahlin for Karlsson” for whatever team wins the lottery. It likely wouldn’t be one for one either (Dahlin plus) since Karlsson is proven and the hypothetical team that traded for Karlsson would want to wait until after July 1 so they knew they could sign him long term. It totally wouldn’t make sense to trade Dahlin for one year of Karlsson.

        By all accounts, scouts/pundits say Dahlin is a generational defenseman that will be cheap and cost controlled for many years. Karlsson is a guarantee, but going to cost a lot to resign.

        Comparing Dahlin and Gustavsson (who didn’t enter the conversation today) are apples and oranges. The only thing I said about Gustavsson after I did research following the Brassard trade is that, according to scouts, he is a top 3 NHL goalie prospect and that the trade was better for Ottawa than I originally thought based on that assessment. Dahlin is projected to be a generational defenseman according to literally everything I’ve seen and heard. If you were to bet on one of the two being a superstar, it would obviously be Dahlin.

        I’m assuming you must have been referencing the earlier comments to Daolith about Karlsson (which had nothing to do with Dahlin) when saying how angry I was. I wasn’t angry, I just replied with facts. Everyone seems to believe Karlsson is 100% leaving ASAP and it simply isn’t true. I’d say it is a coin flip right now largely due to the Melnyk factor and I hope he stays. You can’t win a trade when you give up that great a player.

      • One last point, yes Karlsson could make a bubble-team a true contender. He proved that in last year’s playoffs when he was basically playing on one leg. Ottawa gave Pittsburgh everything they could handle in the Conference Finals when pretty much everyone gave them no chance.

      • That was for Jeff Noel…. sorry for the confusion.

      • Jeff. No. Unless a contract extension in place the answer is unequivocally no

      • I’m not sure how he thought I was upset either.

        I just find the rational of completely dismissing the possibility of Ottawa moving Karlsson for the number pick interesting.

        Who was the best goalie atcthe world juniors last time? GUSTAVSSON.

        Who was the best defensemen at the junior tournament?
        Not Dahlin.

        But Ottawa gets trashed for picking up the goalie yet people think it be crazy to give up the defenseman

        Just intesting.

        Did you think I slammedcmy phone down or something.

        When you say I was upset. Do you mean like sad, or angry? Perhaps you pictured me crying over the negativity of my post.

        Go back and read it with first anger then years. Could be fun.

        Yet thst is interesting well.

      • When you inflate something that wasn’t said like…….”You all just think it be dumb to move Dahlin for Karlsson”

        “You all trashed Ottawa getting a highly touted goalie prospect by moving a 2nd line centre?”

        I never trashed it, I’ve said (like a broken record) you cannot take a 19 year old goalie very serious. I would go building around the guy just yet. Jrs , whl, Ahl etc success is great, but how many times have we seen it not translate to the NHL level? Goaltenders generally speaking are less than a coin flip. I named about a dozen picked in the 1st round in the last decade that were total flops, on the flip side , guys like Hasek , Lundqvist who were picked in the 10th and 7th rounds…. Trevor Kidd was taken well before Brodeur….erratic… to say the least.

        It seems you’re taking things out of context. / upset.

      • Ummm 8f you go back to the day of the brassard trade and read the post their you can clearly see people making jokes at the Sens expense you included. Perhaps you don’t think making fun of sonething isnt trashing it. I do. Though I wasn’t upset about it. To me saying you all trashed the brassard trade was just a statement of fact.

  14. Now that the trade deadline has passed Winnepeg should focus on extending Hellebuyck. It would be very tempting for a GM to give up a lot of draft picks for him.

  15. Buf will qualify Lehner at 4 mil, should he elect arbitration as opposed to just agreeing to a contract he isn’t seeing a substantial raise. His #’s in Buf playing for 1 of the worst & lowest scoring teams his entire time in Buf are solid.

    His market value is 4.2 to 4.75 give or take 500K on a 3 to 6 year deal term, more if shorter, less if longer. The comparables are many. Bishop, Darling; an utter fail to date, Murray, Mrazek, Markstrom, Allen, Andersen, Talbot, Dubnyk, etc.

  16. Why does Edm need a top 4 Dman next season? Klefbom, Larsson, Sekera, Nurse & Russell appears to be a solid top 5 to me & 3 of them are just kids.

    • perhaps Sekera plus something to MTL in the summer for Patches? this way they can still say they are looking for a top 4 D LOL

    • Striker, Edm is still a puzzle I can’t solve. I think we know what the problems are, how to solve them is the hard part.
      On D the narrative here is that they need a PP guy. Sure, but they had that with Klefbom last year, but he had a really tough 1st half of the season but has been better of late. Larsson has had a tough year on and off the ice. They need those 2 to bounce back big time and a #6 picked up in the off season. D isn’t their biggest problem.
      Up front they have zero NHL ready forwards ready to step in from Bakersfield. Fine down the middle as Khaira will slide into 4C.
      Who will play the wings in the top 9 is a big hole? I would try RNH on the wing with McDavid for remainder of season with Strome as the 3C where he is capable and more comfortable.
      Otherwise on the left side is Lucic, Cammalleri and Cagguilla. Not good. RW is Puljujarvi, Kassian, Slepyshev. Is that gonna scare anybody other than the Oiler fans?
      You can’t force Yamamoto before he is ready.
      Other than that trade RNH for help on the wing.

      • One change needed in Edmonton is behind the bench. The roster changes after last season didn’t work but don’t tell me that the current group shouldn’t be playing a lot better. The coaching staff has to take responsibility for the on-ice performance. The Oilers may need to make player changes but they sure need a new voice as Head Coach.

      • I think Aberg will be in the top 6 right off the hop. I really like this player, has blazing speed just needs time & faith to develop his skills at the NHL level. This player is NHL ready but raw will need his 200+ NHL regular season games to show us the player he is. Can play either side but like many wingers is better on his offside.

        as I have mentioned many times. Edm isn’t as bad as they have shown this season nor were they as good as they showed the season prior. Everything that could go right in 2016-17 went well, everything that could go wrong in 2017-18 has.

        Now we are back on a more standard development curve from Chiarelli’s hiring. The worst thing to happen in EDM was to accelerate the expectations. I was a believer as well. Not as a cup contender but I had them finishing 1st in the Pacific when the season started due to Anh’s significant injuries coming out of the gate.

        I didn’t perceive that Edm couldn’t make the playoffs baring a serious injury & Sekera’s to start the season was a concern.

      • I would like to see RNH traded this summer bringing in a decent quality winger, cost controlled & futures.

        Then some form of line up like this.

        Aberg, McDavid, Caggulia.
        Lucic, Draisaitl, Puljujarvi.
        Yamamoto, Strome, player acquired for RNH.
        Slepyshev/Pikaranian, Khiara, Kassian.

        Move the wingers around anyway you like. If RNH were moved out & the winger brought back cost controlled Edm would have money to wade into the UFA market possibly even bring Maroon back if his salary expectations are reasonable. No more than 3.75 for 3 years.

      • Ya forgot about Aberg until after I posted. I only know what I have read. Dude can fly and has ability to score. Not sure what is holding him back at NHL level. Maroon wants to come back, and him and McDavid are buds, so definitely a possibility. Maroon is well liked by all in the room, has good hands for a big guy in tight and has McDavid’s back when things get a little fired up. I would like to see a guy with some real speed and hockey sense give it a go with McDavid. Who is that guy, I dunno?
        Oh yeah, give that RNH a guy a shot for last 25 games. Great skater, good hockey sense, skilled. Relieve him of center defensive responsibility and let him go have some fun and find the offense he had in his youth. Who knows what could happen.

  17. An interesting trade deadline. Started for the 3rd time in 3 years with Phaneuf being moved 1st leading up to the deadline. Stastny, Hartman & Tatar was a surprise as 2 of these were actual hockey trades, Tatar & Hartmen & rare for them to happen this time of year.

    Numerous players ended up where I felt they were most needed, Kane in SJ, he should be resigned as quickly as able as a great long term solution in SJ & McDonagh in TB.

    You have to love what McPhee is doing. He goes out & gets a solid scoring winger with 3 more years at 5.3 mil per. Blashill kind of held Tatar down giving Abdelkader fare better quanity & quality of icetime. This now gives Vgs 3 solid scoring lines. I assume Tatar will play LW with Eakin at C & Tuch at RW. He’ll bump Schmidt from 2nd line PP duty with Vgs now icing 2 4 forward configurations, Miller & Theodore each manning a unit.

    An interesting day. 2 more 1st moved than I anticipated, Hartman & Stastny, nor did I expect Tatar to move garnering a 1st but I assumed Green would have but injury precluded such.

    MG I belive that was 5 1sts with 2 more probably moved when the futures play out on McDonagh & Kane. I assume both will be signed by the respective clubs that acquired them. Kane before seasons end & McDonagh on or about July 1st.

    Assuming Phaneuf’s trade kicked off the trade deadline 37 trades I believe so fairly normal in volume what was surprising was that numerous actual hockey trades were made. This isn’t normal.

    But with 4 teams battling for 1 remaining spot in the east & 8 battling for 5 in the west surprised that more teams on the bubble didn’t do anything, especially NYI; Davidsson!, Carolina, & StL didn’t do anything, StL selling is 2 years in a row having moved Shattenkirk last season.

    That should appeal to Caper he doesn’t like holding on to UFA’s heading into the playoffs potentially seeing nothing in return. I do as I consider them the deadline acquisition.

    Curious to see now how some of these readjusted rosters play out & just not for playoff bound teams. Who gets Tatar’s icetime in Detroit, or Maroon’s in Edm as examples?

    • Double Minor, Spooner could slide in. Oh yeah…
      My guess is Backes or Heinen move to C, likely Backes. Throw Wingels into the lineup to get him assimilated. JFK may get called up for a look but they want him playing meaningful minutes which he won’t get in Boston this time of year, so likely Czarnik gets a call.
      B’s have a compacted schedule in March so good thing they banked some points.

  18. Murray out with a concussion. So much for “he’s fine, it was just precautionary “?

    • Jarry and desmith playing better than him anyway. Not worried. Murray gave run of the mill goaltending all season so not exactly devastatingly hard to replace. Pens stregth is playing up. Can’t score on the pens from your own end

      • I was just commenting because both you and I got schooled on the last post…. I’m guessing he doesn’t have as much inside info as he thinks?

      • ???

      • Deeee’s reply on last nights post

  19. Has anyone filed a missing persons report yet on Garth Snow?

    • Islanders, Dallas and St. Louis by far the biggest disappointments at the deadline.

      I as sitting home with my son from 2-3pm wondering if Stevie Y was asleep at the wheel.

  20. If pitts lets Sheahan go this summer and trade Hagelin this summer perhaps they make a run for Patches…..
    add him to pittsburgh and now u have a dynasty LOL

    i certainly think this team is as scary as it gets to play against for the playoffs.

    • Pens likely have to let Riley go regardless for cap reasons. He and Oleksiak could be tough resigns. Rust is rfa as well.

      • as GM JR i am offering after the season is over….after we just won the cup AGAIN….

        to MTL: Sheary, Hagelin, Hunwick, Oleksiak, rights to Sheahan and a meh prospect (so GM JR will be offering GM MB 5 stanley cup winners lol)

        to PIT: Patches & Benn & solid prospect

        mtl is atrocious now and this gives them some depth players who actually won stanley cups and know how to play in the playoffs.

        pitts clears another roster spot for Spring next yr along with clearingg cap to keep Patches under the cap. With the additional room then they can try to extend Brassard after July 1st =)

        GM JR creates dynasty…. =(

  21. If Chiarelli had a clue he would be on. the floor playing with it!
    McTavish as a co pilot is just as bad. Not an inkling when it comes to building s team.