NHL Rumor Mill – February 14, 2018

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Could center Derick Brassard become the next player to be traded by the Ottawa Senators? (Photo via NHL Images)

AFTER TRADING PHANEUF, WHAT’S NEXT FOR THE SENATORS?

TSN: Prior to the Ottawa Senators shipping defenseman Dion Phaneuf to the Los Angeles Kings, Darren Dreger feels the Sens believe they’ve got the top center in the market in Derick Brassard and are building the case for Mike Hoffman as the best available winger. Dreger also tosses in Ryan Dzingel, saying the Winnipeg Jets are among the teams with some interest. There’s a strong market for Hoffman.

SPORTSNET: Elliotte Friedman also wondered if the Calgary Flames had interest in Ottawa Senators winger Zack Smith. He was told he was “out to lunch” on that one. The Senators also prefer to retain center Derick Brassard, though the Pittsburgh Penguins and San Jose Sharks may have been asking about him.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: While the Senators are getting offers on Brassard and Jean-Gabriel Pageau, it sounds like they prefer retaining them. Considering how difficult it is to find good center, that’s probably a wise decision. Still, if someone offers up a promising young NHL-ready center for Brassard, the Sens could seriously consider it.

Hoffman remains a strong trade candidate as he’s been a fixture for months in the rumor mill. I also wouldn’t rule out the possibility of Smith getting moved before the deadline. He’s a big-bodied two-way forward who would be a good depth addition to a playoff club. 

RANGERS UPDATE

SPORTSNET:  Elliotte Friedman reports the Nashville Predators are “all in” on New York Rangers left wing Rick Nash, but he wonders if they can win the bidding war. The Rangers could attempt to leverage some of the Predators top prospects.

Speaking of Nash, Friedman can see the Tampa Bay Lightning offering up a package of players, picks and prospects to the Rangers for Nash and defenseman Ryan McDonagh if general manager Steve Yzerman wanted to make that move. He also believes the Lightning would part with a center for a signed winger. The Bruins are also believed interested in McDonagh but the asking price would be expensive.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: Yzerman does have the depth in assets to acquire both Nash and McDonagh, but I’ll be very surprised if he actually made that move. I can understand if he pursues McDonagh to bolster his defense corps but I just don’t think he’ll give up a ton for a rental player like Nash.

The Predators came very close to winning the Stanley Cup last year and they obviously want another shot at the big mug. As they’re already loaded with young roster talent, they could be willing to part with a couple of good prospects to get Nash. McDonagh would be a good fit with the Bruins but they’re reportedly reluctant to part with any of their good young players or prospects. 

LATEST ON THE CANADIENS

SPORTSNET: Elliotte Friedman suggests the Florida Panthers as a “stealth possibility” for Montreal Canadiens left wing Max Pacioretty. He feels the Panthers have a lot of talent, “with Henrik Borgstrom ready for prime time after this season at NCAA Denver.”

Friedman also notes center Tomas Plekanec wants to stay in Montreal and thinks there’s a contract extension to be had there. “Now it comes down to whether or not GM Marc Bergevin gets an offer he likes.”

Rory Boylen lists the Pittsburgh Penguins, Minnesota Wild and San Jose Sharks as potential trade destinations for Plekanec. He suggests the veteran center could be a good addition to the Penguins fourth line. The Wild are using young Joel Eriksson-Ek as their fourth-line center and there’s talk they could ship center Matt Cullen back to Pittsburgh. Plekanec could be a band-aid fix for the Sharks until Joe Thornton returns, after which he can be demoted to the bottom six in a defensive role.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: The Panthers are definitely loaded with the type of young players that would tempt the Canadiens. As their biggest need is for a scoring center, the Habs could ask for Vincent Trocheck as part of the return, but I don’t see the Panthers agreeing to that. They certainly won’t part with first-line center Aleksander Barkov. As for Plekanec, Bergevin could retain him if he doesn’t get what he considers a suitable offer. He could seek a second-round draft pick for the veteran center, which could be a tough sell. 

MORE DOMI SPECULATION

SPORTSNET: Elliotte Friedman reports the Arizona Coyotes are prepared to give struggling forward Max Domi a fresh start, “pending a fair offer” either at the trade deadline or during the NHL Draft in June. He believes the Canadiens could take a look but doesn’t know if it’s going anywhere.

TSN: Bob McKenzie notes the Coyotes say they’re not shopping Domi “per se” but there’s lots of teams who believe the 22-year-old forward is “imminently available.”  He said there’s a big gap between what the Coyotes consider his worth (and they’re supposedly seeking a lot) and the fact he’s struggling this season.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: The Coyotes aren’t in any hurry to move Domi, who’s in the final year of his entry-level contract and lack arbitration rights. If they don’t get a suitable offer they can wait until this summer to entertain trade proposals. Then again, they could re-sign him to a two-year bridge deal and hope he regains his form. 

COULD THE FLYERS MAKE A MOVE?

SPORTSNET: Elliotte Friedman reports a few teams suspect there’s some trade traction between the Buffalo Sabres and Philadelphia Flyers. “It sounds like it depends on if the Flyers’ wish to buy, and they woke up Wednesday five points into the playoffs.”

COURIER-POST: In his latest mailbag segment, Dave Isaac said he wouldn’t be surprised if the Philadelphia Flyers shop for a goaltender now that starter Brian Elliott is sidelined for several weeks. He suggests pursuing Calvin Pickard, who’s currently buried in the Toronto Maple Leafs system. Noting Friedman’s report of the Flyers and Sabres scouting each other, he can’t imagine the Flyers will pay a big price for a goalie. That rules out Sabres starter Robin Lehner.

He also doesn’t dismiss the possibility that they might bring in a depth defenseman. Citing salary-cap concerns, he doesn’t see them pursuing Detroit’s Mike Green. He also doesn’t see the Colorado Avalanche selling Tyson Barrie. He sees New York Rangers winger Michael Grabner as a good fit but doesn’t think GM Ron Hextall intends to meet the Rangers’ asking price of a first-round pick.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: There’s not a lot available in the goalie market for the Flyers. Detroit’s Petr Mrazek appears to be the best of the bunch. If they want Pickard the Leafs could try to pry away one of their young defensemen or a decent prospect. I don’t see the Sabres moving Lehner, who’s been among their few positives in an otherwise miserable season. 

HIGHLIGHTS FROM TSN’S INSIDERS

TSN: Pierre LeBrun reports limited salary-cap space affects the Pittsburgh Penguins efforts to add to their roster. They only $800k in cap space, which prevents them from adding a center such as Montreal’s Tomas Plekanec even if the Canadiens picked up half of his remaining cap hit. Same goes for Ottawa’s Derick Brassard. He’s also called about Ottawa’s Jean-Gabriel Pageau but the Sens are probably keeping him. Edmonton’s Mark Letestu probably isn’t a fit. They’re in the market for a bottom-six center but haven’t found the right fit yet.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: Unless the Penguins can ship out some salary or get a team to pick up part of a player’s cap hit in a trade, they could have a difficult time swinging a deal. Not saying they can’t make it happen, but GM Jim Rutherford will have to do some salary-cap juggling to make it work. Defenseman Ian Cole was the subject of trade chatter two months ago but that’s since died off as he’s seeing more playing time in recent weeks. 

Darren Dreger notes the Winnipeg Jets would like to add a forward and a defenseman. Head coach Paul Maurice would like to add a little muscle. Montreal Canadiens forward Andrew Shaw has surfaced in the rumor mill but he’s a tough add for the Jets. They could look at Edmonton’s Patrick Maroon or Mark Letestu. Dreger also wonders if they might have some interest in Columbus’ Jack Johnson but isn’t sure he’s the best fit there.

Bob McKenzie reports the Anaheim Ducks haven’t committed yet if they’re buyers or sellers at the trade deadline. There’s getting calls about faceoff specialist Antoine Vermette.

OTHER HIGHLIGHTS FROM FRIEDMAN’S LATEST “31 THOUGHTS”

Friedman’s also heard the Lightning, Boston Bruins and Toronto Maple Leafs have inquired about Edmonton Oilers left wing Patrick Maroon. He feels that move doesn’t make sense for the Leafs and there’s conflicting information about the Bruins’ interest.

While it’s extremely unlikely the Vancouver Canucks part with defenseman Chris Tanev, Friedman feels they should think about it because of the physical abuse he takes, which could affect his value at some point.

Friedman also noted New York Islanders GM Garth Snow has gone on record saying he won’t part with his two first-round picks in this year’s draft. Both could become lottery picks, giving the Isles a shot at moving up higher in the draft order.

The Detroit Red Wings are trying to move defenseman Xavier Ouellet

 








94 Comments

  1. With Dom Simon and ZAR playing very good hockey the Penguins can afford to send Carl Haglen the other way in a trade. That would give them almost 5 mill in cap space. They should keep Cole and send Hunwick anywhere as well if they want to go for the 3peat(and they do.) Hunwick was a mistake but I am sure there will be plenty of 6/7 dmen on UFA day this year as well.

    • Sens Matt Hunwick, Carter Rowney keep hagelin and Cole…while Reese and keep hagelin and cole.

      while reese and simon have been great its a couple games and regular season..

      • Simon has 11 points in 23 games and can play on any line, 0.5 points per game and makes 690k. Hagelin has 22 points in 57 games which is 0.4 ppg and makes 4 mill. ZAR has 3 points in 5 games and makes 925k. Both are excellent defensive players and can play anywhere in the lineup. And with a healthy squad they make Hagelin expendable, very expendable. There is zero chance even the Sens take Rowney and Hunwick for Brassard. The Sens can flip Haggy they can’t do anything with those 2 and I don’t mind Rowney as a 5C or a 4LW/ PKC. Hagelin, Blueger and a 2019 first for Brassard is a fair deal after what Ottawa took for Dion. I’d throw in a 2018 second as well. They could quickly flip Hagelin to a team that covets him like the Sharks, the Blues, the Jets, the Flames for a first round pick. As long as they retain salary. That’s a good start for the re-tool.

      • Your not wrong Deee
        I just wonder if it makes sense to make a deal when you could get Cullen or Letestu for less as depth and insurance and let Sheahan continue as is.
        Heck maybe Pageau might be a cheaper alternative that could do the job.

      • No argument that Sheahan has exceeded expectations, including blowing my own personal expectations away. Having said that if the Pens could play Sheahan at 4C with a Brassard type playing 3C having already an established top 5 dmen and the 3 headed monster plus their secondary scoring of Guentzel, Sheary, Hornqvist, ZAR, Sprong, Simon,Sheahan, and then the 2 way games of Rust, Rowney, Kuhnhackle etc, it gives any team in the NHL huge matchup nightmares. Plus the way that Matty has played the last 3 games he has been a beast.

  2. WOW!
    If I am a Sens fan right now Iam just down right worried about what in the world this organization sis going to do?

    Dion is not my favorite player thats for sue ..but this move is just so WRONG on a business level that its beyond me uNLESS Gaborik retires.

    The Sens got slower older and still maintained the same cap for the same amount of years!

    I thought that Melnyk was about saving money having a new path for success, all this move has doen is when Gaborik retires leaves the Sens with a $1.75 million dollar bill in hand for the next 3 years if that’s the ways it goes..ABSOLUTELY STUPID, for once I will say this ..there was nothing wrong with keeping Dion on the Sens in comparison to this deal, where it is harder to find a quality hitting D man than it is an expandable winger, especially when the money is a wash!…
    Just terrible management!
    I don’t see Gaborik leaving almost $15 million on the table…sorry that.s a lot of money..and if the Sens buy him out Melnyk is a hypocrite for wasting money he says he does not have!

    Brassard is NOT worth 3 high end pieces/players ..nice try recouping your previous BIG mistake in the Duchene deal in this deal….
    I also think its crazy that they are even thinking of trading Hoffman ..there is no return that will be beneficial or that will replace a player like this …sorry !

    If I am wrong please feel free to throw darts !

    • I agree fully. Hard to figure out the exact salary savings but Seravalli had the total savings for the entire contract terms at 5.5 mil. I don’t know if that math is correct I haven’t run it by that savings over the remainder of this season & 3 more doesn’t justify this trade.

      Who the hell is going to play D for Ott.

      You poor Ottawa fans. What a mess, I assume attendance will get far worse next season as Ottawa is going to be & 2019’s 1st round selection going to Colorado will also be a solid lottery pick.

      What was the point of this trade, almost no money was saved a little over a mil per year. Moving out a solid 2nd pairing Dman.

      • I’m a Sens fan, and I’m not too worried about the no Phaneuf. Yes, he’s a bit of a presence, but the guy is slow and can’t turn to save his life. Him and Ceci were pretty much at the bottom of defensive pair ratings, and Dion only slightly improved with other guys. With his contract gone, we save a little cash, and apparently, because of Dion’s many yearly bonuses to come, makes Gaborik way easier to buy out (like that is ever going to happen with Melnyk 🙁
        Regardless, no phaneuf means we will have to get younger on defense. Hopefully Wideman recovers well and we can resign him to the right side. He had great possession numbers and is solid puck mover.
        The D pairings next year if Karlson and Wideman resign could look like this:
        Karlson Claesson
        Ceci Chabot
        Wideman Boro ( with Harper as our seventh.) Jaros is young talent with lots of upside coming down the pipe as well.
        Do I love the trade. No. Is it much worse than what we have. No. But our D was horrible so we had to do something. I agree with others here though, in that goaltending has been total crap this year.

    • I am also worried about who Ottawa will trade in the next couple weeks. IMO, Smith is the most likely to be traded as he is the most replaceable of the mid-priced players. He is worth the $3.25M cap hit for the next 3 years for a playoff team and Ottawa can use that savings on defense. Trading one of Brassard or Pageau could make sense depending on the return, but Hoffman makes zero sense to trade given his current contract and his growing chemistry with Duchene. The potential for a Hoffman trade really worries me as they have no one in the pipeline to replace him over the next two years.

      FYI, the math on the Phaneuf trade actual saved Ottawa ~$5M in real dollars over the next three years. I don’t hate the trade and think it is great that they got ride of Thompson in the deal as he didn’t help them at all. Gaborik could be put on LTIR, but I can’t see him retiring given the money left on the deal.

      Ideally, I hope Ottawa trades Smith and Burrows for whatever they can get (I’d take anything for Burrows if they don’t retain salary) plus Oduya as a rental. Trade one of Brassard or Pageau if you get a deal you can’t refuse, but you have to keep one of them as centers are difficult to replace. They have White, Brown and Chlapik in the near term that should be capable of starting at 3C/third line forward and moving up as they develop. More than anything, they need to get a top 4 defenceman in the off-season as they don’t have anyone other than Chabot that looks ready for that role in addition to Karlsson and Ceci.

    • Marian Gaborik will NOT have any cap recapture penalties if he retires. He signed his 7 year contract when he was 33. Cap recapture penalties only occur when the veteran signs a contract at age 35 or older if he retires. However, IF there was going to be any cap recapture penalty assessed, it would go against LA as they were the team signing him to the deal.

      • Why would he retire he would have to forfeit his salary. He’s not currently injured either so Ott can’t just put him on LTIR.

        Ott could buy him out but if that’s the plan Phaneuf wouldn’t have cost much more to buy out. Why Ott didn’t wait until this summer to see if a better option couldn’t be found is odd as this trade sliced nothing & has created more problems than it solved.

        I feel for OTt fans, George you have my sympathies, if Melnyk was unhappy with current attendance issues wait till next season.

      • Gotta figure there is a plan in place with gaborik… will wait to judge. Shore now makes brassard and/or Pageau more movable.

    • Ottawa may be trying to save $ to make a big offer for Karlsson, but isn’t the message really: we can’t afford to ice a competitive team? Why would Karlsson stay with the Sens when they won’t be a serious competitor under Melnyk, and when Karlsson can sign where taxes are lower?

      • In their defense, the Sens were one OT goal away from the Stanley Cup final last year and could easily be a playoff team again next year if they don’t sell everything off. I watch a lot of their games and by far the biggest issue this year has been the horrendous goaltending of Anderson and to a lesser extent Condon. They have easily cost Ottawa 15+ points this year with their atrocious play. Anderson in particular has a tendency to allow one backbreaking goal nearly every game this year and it shows in the team’s confidence in front of him. If the goaltending gets back to top 10-12 next year, they get one 3-5 defenceman and they don’t sell off more than Smith and one or Pageau or Brassard, they should be respectable if not a threat in the playoffs like last year. I’m assuming the return for Pageau/Brassard would have to include a young NHL ready player or Ottawa would just keep both of them.

      • With another sokid shut down Dman like Methot they wouldn’t have given up so many goals. Now no Phaneuf. I don’t see Ott acquiring a sufficient quality of Dman to make next seasons playoffs.

        Finding Dman in trade is astronomically expensive, signing them as UFA’s not cheap either so good luck with that.

        Ott’s Goalie’s are a reflection of the D & team in front of them.

      • Actually Striker, you’re wrong about the goaltending being influenced by the defense this year. Anderson has let in a ton of horrible goals this year that have nothing to do with bad defensive play. I’ve never seen an NHL goalie give up so many bad wraparounds, short side goals or goals from the boards. Many of the goals have been backbreaking and you can visibly see how deflated the team is and what little confidence they have with the goaltending.

        I’m not saying they had a top flight defense this year. However, they are not nearly as bad as you’re letting on. If you had watched them regularly all season, you’d know this as all of the Sens fans I’ve talked with say the exact same thing. In hindsight, Dorion extending Anderson right before the season started has been one of his worst moves as that would have freed up another $4.75M in cap space this off-season or they could have gotten Anderson much cheaper given this year’s performance.

      • Ott’s D is brutal. They can’t ice 4 solid Dman never mind 6 that are NHL capable. They are giving up the 5th most shots against & the quality of those shots, those wrap arounds to which you speak of being part of it, etc. is way to high because they don’t have the the personal to contain the other teams offensive.

        If yoy can’t ice at least 4 decent Dman your goalies are going to look terrible, it’s just that simple.

      • It is pretty obvious you don’t watch the Sens very often and only look at stats. They don’t give up nearly as many high quality shots as you’re suggesting and their biggest issue by far this year has been very poor goaltending. The comment about having less than 4 NHL quality defenseman is also laughable. They aren’t all Karlsson, but they aren’t Colorado from last year either.

        Speaking of Colorado, there is a good example of having a significant turnaround in one season. I don’t see why Ottawa can’t do the same with a few tweaks given they have some high to elite quality talent already.

    • KAL IT ACTUALLY SAVES THEM ABOU 3 MIL OVER THE REMAINDER OF DION S CONTRACT HAVING WATCHED THE OILERS DO THE SAME TO SAVE A PENNY IN THE PAST COMPLETELY MAKES SENSE MONEY WISE

    • Melnyk is the worst, most unworthy, most morally bankrupt owner in pro sports. As long as he owns the Sens the Sens will suck.

      • umm….. bob nutting?

    • dee…i totally agree Sheahan has been a lot better and has played tremendous but he is still a 4th line center…if we can get a plekanacs to play 3rd line center or even 4th line carter Rowney can sit where he belongs…

      I disagree with you about Hagelin being expendable in the playoffs he is brilliant. SIMON is still an unknown..the playoffs are a whole different animal…

    • Well Dion would have been bought out in his final year… So Senators would have had him least another 2 seasons… GAborik has an easy contract to buy out his final 2 seasons having under 6.5M total in salary. They can probably trade Gaborik next year since his final two years are easy to buyout if he don’t pan out… Also he could get hurt so end up on LTIR which will save them even more cap space. They might use what they saved to keep King Karl or some other players…

      Shore can pan out as a cheaper 3rd/4th line player… He might need to add more offense like when he was in AHL. I think Senators are fine to dump Dion like this personally their mistake was getting him in first place. I like the Kings but think this will be a disaster for them… They will probably go back to playing 4-5 left shot D-man including the 1st round liability bust Forbort… OR they will trade Martinez instead of Forbort which will hurt them too.

      Frankly the Senators got a dead end in net who has to go too… They need to spend the next few years rebuilding… Even with Macarthurs’ contract on LTIR they still were right up against the cap only to lose. Next year they can try to save Duche, this move will save them over 7M in cap while saving even more in real money.

      Nobody else was going to take Dion, only taking 25% of his contract is a win since they dumped Nate too… So that is like another 1-2M that was cost of the 25% anyways w/ a cheaper/better player Shore coming their way. Gaborik can still score or get hot going on a streak to help them flip him too… Maybe even before this trade deadline if he got a hat trick… He was playing w/ 3rd/4th liners often at RW instead of LW where he did well in the 2014 cup run :). Don’t stress out, see where things are in 2-3 years first. Maybe Senators win Draft lottery to get another impact player… They need to rebuild their net since their starter is like 40 too…

  3. Ott should never have traded Turris for the underachieving Duchene , If i was their GM i would have resigned Turris and went after a guy like James Neal for more scoring punch .

    • I think its Hilarious you just brought that up ..the Turris deal that is …that brings the Phaneuf deal to an even more DUMB level ..as the money you retained on Phaneuf that is now wasted money and not available could have easily went to signing Turris in what was a contentious negotiations.
      The Sens balked on giving Turris an extra $1.5 million a year or lets say $2 million for conversation sake …but are willing to now waste that money into the abyss with no return or player or draft pick or ANYTHING when they could have just given it to Turris and kept there assets they gave away for Duchene..whom they still have to sign ..LMAO which IMO looks as if they cant …
      W T F and if they do will give Duchene more money that what Turris was asking as well…more wasted money ….this is so crazy that life is stranger than fiction sometimes!

      I just have to shake my head here.

      • With what the SENS are asking for Brassard I don’t think they would get that for Duchene at this point or in the future!

        If I am Karlson Iam asking for the next flight out of town keep your $12 million I will get it elsewhere or more !

      • The Duchene trade was a massive overpayment and they essentially got nothing for Turris. The only think everyone keeps talking about that doesn’t make sense to me is how they presume every UFA after next year is leaving. Even with Ottawa’s budget, they’ll have more money available than most teams to pay Duchene, Brassard (if they want) and Karlsson. All of them aren’t leaving and even if one or two of them do, they’ll get a good return in a trade.

      • Van.

        If I’m Brassard, Duchene or Karlsson I’m not signing an extension in Ott regardless of how much money they offer, either this summer or next. I’m using my UFA status to get the hell off that roster.

      • Striker: I’m not sure how you know so much about all of their intentions. There has been nothing in the media or even local chatter suggesting any of them, let alone all three of them want out. Karlsson will and should get paid like the best defenseman in the league and all he said was he wasn’t taking a discount (nor should he). Karlsson also just got married to an Ottawa girl and has extensive ties in the city. If he doesn’t want to stay, it will be 100% Melnyk’s fault and even Melnyk has to know that they have to do everything possible to extend Karlsson this summer. Duchene and Brassard have both said they enjoy playing in Ottawa. The only thing is Brassard is slightly on the old side with the remaining core, so he could be traded anyway given they have three good to very good center prospects (White, Brown and Chlapik) ready to play next year.

        Melnyk is an idiot, but I would be shocked if all three of them are not with the team in 2019/2020. Everyone thought Hoffman was going to take a one year deal and leave after this season and he signed a four year extension. It isn’t as dire as everyone thinks, especially if they luck out and win the lottery this year.

        They have had lots of injury issues this year that, with the sub-par goaltending, really hurt the team. Karlsson has not been 100% all year due to the off-season surgery, Wideman’s season ending injury hurt the team much more than everyone realized at the time, MacArthur is unfortunately all but officially retired (solid 2nd or 3rd line forward) and Stone has missed a bunch of time as well among others. Basically everything that could go wrong has this year, which is the opposite of what happened last year.

      • Van.

        I’m not claiming to know anything. I’m just saying that if I’m those players I’m getting out when I can as I wouldn’t want to play there. Nothing against Ott but it’s an ownership issue for me.

    • Ottawa 1st rnd pick to Colorado is a conditional top 10 protected for 2018, then Colorado gets Ottawa 1st round pick in 2019
      The way it’s shaping up if Ottawa finishes with the 10 overall pick this season they might want to decline the option and send it to Colorado and hang onto their 2019 first round pick.
      I think we see more from Ottawa however, there has to be more, much more to this plan, don’t you think?

      • 100% agree. If the pick is outside the top 6, I would give it up if I’m Ottawa. Wouldn’t it be wonderful if they gave up Jack Hughes next year. 🙁

    • The trade wasn’t ideal, I think they overpaid like most people. But, I disagree that Duchene is underachieving. He has been on fire as of late. It just looked bad because Turris got off to a hot start and Duchene didn’t. The fact is Duchene has been their best forward most nights, creating tons of scoring chances and looking electric. Duchene has 16 points since Jan 1 (18 games). Turris has 4 points Since Jan 1 (17 games).
      I love Turris, but Duchene is definitely better offensively from everything I’ve seen from both players. He has also impressed defensively too with some nice plays. It just sucks the team is so bad right now haha.

      • Well even before the trade they had sub par number in goal… So their goalies have not played well enough this year like last. Even last season they didn’t look like would make playoffs then went on a nice run or so. Boston was struggling at time of their trade among other teams in their division… So looked like they could stay in the top 3… Bruins had lost Miller in expansion then Subban on waivers. Once they got a point every game since like December it put them securely in the top 3.

        Lots of players are not having great seasons either from King Karl to others. Nashville looks better since they had more talent or better play in net. Even Colorado went on like a 11-1 run to get into playoffs picture again after they had faded from starting well. They were in 1st place at one point before making trade as they slipped down. Colorado struggles away from home so that is major reason they are not secure in post season spot. Senators can probably trade Duche next year to help them build after going for broke in the small window they had.

  4. Any chance we could send Nash to Anaheim for Silverburg and a pick ?

    • Only if Anaheim fires Murray and hires Dorion in the next two weeks.

      • had a good laugh on that response MG

      • Hahaha good one

  5. And they just gave Dorion a three-year extension…

    I appreciate that it has more to do with a meddling owner than a green GM; but damn this guy is giving Charelli a run for his money.(yes I am an Oilers fan)

  6. Can they buy out Gaborik ? What would that cost total and it may be more cost effective than buying out Phaneuf. Karlsson will take a few bucks
    The only positive is Shore who is much younger than Thompson but both plugs.

    Boston has lost 2 of their last 26. They need to shake things up ? It would be a mistake to mess with the chemistry.

    12 days to Christmas

    • Pretty sure Ottawa’s first move it to trade Gaborik, he lacks a no trade clause. Good luck trading him but thats what the sens will try to do.

    • They can probably trade Gaborik this year or next if he don’t end up on LTIR. The buyout in the final 2 years wouldn’t be bad… He would be due less than 6.5M in salary… So its like 2/3rds to buy that out if recall… You can go on CapFriendly if want to really calculate it they have all those tools. Figure even w/ the 25% retained they still save 7M in cap space moving Dion since Nate was due about 1-2M… So between them it was about a 7M cap hit. Shore will probably cost minimal to 1M max so lets say 800K or 900K since restricted free agent.

      Remember Kings were only team who would take on Dion… He had 3 goals not the 20 of his heyday :). So he would have to be better than Gaborik/Shore combined then some to justify this payment. Kings will still be on hook 5.25M or whatever while GAborik is only like 4.85M cap hit… Throw in Shore depending where he plays its still less when add in the 1-2M Nate would cost.

      Anybody else think Nick Shore sounds like Not Sure from Idiocracy :)? Senators should let Gaborik play next year if they can’t trade him prior to buy him out if that is plan. For Dion they would have had to wait until his final season paying him for 2 more costing like 10-11M or whatever… HIs final year I think his salary is below 2M above 1M so pretty cheap buyout for LA then.

  7. Look at how Dion is owed bonuses every July 1st, 1M, 1M, then 2.5M. With Melnyk the hard cash is what to look at not the cap hit , plus if Gaborik goes on long term IR starting next year and his contract is insured this is huge hard cash savings for the Sens. Minimum 5.5 Million saved, much more if he goes LTIR.

    This trade is an internal budget trade more then a cap trade.

    • Exactly!
      It’s all about saving money with Melnyk.
      He blames attendance issues on the rink in Kanata (the current rinks location was only a problem in the last 3-5 years suddenly…) and the fan base being fickle, but really its because he charges $30 for parking, jacked prices for “premium” teams, actively tells season ticket holders to avoid moving tickets to non-Sens fans and then as we are seeing, ices a crappy product by making trades specifically intended to reduce costs.
      People here in Ottawa simply aren’t going and for good reason.

      • Sens trade the owner??

  8. Look at how Dion is owed bonuses every July 1st for the remaining years of the his contract, 1M, 1M, then 2.5M. Melynk cares more about the hard cash than the cap hit , plus if Gaborik goes on long term IR starting next year and his contract is insured, then its even less money out of Melynk’s pocket. Minimum 5.5 Million saved, much more if he goes LTIR.

  9. Panthers shouldn’t trade for Pacioretty. He’s aging, production declining and not worth a quality prospect.

    Panthers need a scoring RW.

    • Completely agree Mick. And there is no way the Panthers trade Trocheck in the process. He, Barkov and Huberdeau are all but untouchable on the forward lines. All 3 are signed for several years and really good cap hits.

    • I have absolutely no idea what Florida needs or the relative worth of their assets but strongly disagree with your assessment of Max. All his numbers have been put up with out a number one centre and he is incredibly durable. But it has been a crap year and its a buyers market.

      • I am with you Shaun. Patches is being under-valued in this thread. That said, Patchs will NOTland Trotchek, Barkov or Hubbedeau. Borjstrom, A second (which is Arazona’s this year and close to a late 1st) plus something else, might get it done….

  10. Great to hear there’s interest in Nash. If true I hope it happens soon. As a Ranger fan I’ve enjoyed watching some of the younger guys get a chance. Was interesting that MacD didn’t make trip for last 2 games. Wonder if something’s in the works since I didn’t think his injury was too serious. Actually kind of excited to see some of the older players moved, would love to hear they’re shopping Lundquist too.

    • I was thinking at the deadline, if all parties are healthy
      to DAL: Nash 50% retained, Staal & Pavelec
      to NYR: Lehtonen & high pick or top prospect

      Not sure how long Methot will be out nor how healthy he will be when back but they will need more veteran depth on D. LA kings just solidified their top4 so DAL must make a move to counter it.

      Staal also fits in their long term plans as Hamhuis is up at the end of the year. they get a back up in Pavs. We all know Bishop will be carrying the load anyway. Then Dallas also gets Nash to balance top 6. Or swap Nash with Grabner

      NYR gets Lehtonen to give Hank a break and audition for teams next year as he is a UFA and NYR can let him walk.

      Let the “arms race” trading wars in the west begin!!! =)

      • As a Dallas fan also this deal doesnt make a lot of sense to me.

        I agree with going for Nash, but just dont see the need for Staal and definitely not Pavelec.

        1) Pavelec is far to inconsitant for me and Lehtonen has been phenomenal as a backup this year. It doesnt make sense to get rid of him from a current PO team

        2) I could see Hamhuis signing short term to stay next year and if not it looks like Heatherington could make the jump and I really see Heiskenen being in the fold next year. Heiskenen is putting up elite numbers as a 17-18yo in Finlands top league this year all the while playing first pairing minutes. Dallas with the new system they have in place would not benefit from another aging defenseman.

        #) I think Nash and a pick (hopefully fifth round) could get done for a second and couple of good prospects

      • This deal makes no sense. Swapping backup goalies who are both ufas at end of season. Staal nobody wants. Especially with his injury history, who knows what he’ll be like if and when he comes back. Nash will get a 1st and a prospect on his own. Or maybe a 2nd if player is good. If Dallas, I’d take Honka and a 2nd

      • Yeah, I don’t get diminishing Nash’s value in order to trade Staal. That makes no sense for a team trying to acquire as many assets as possible. With a bunch of Elcs coming neither Smith or Staal are worth giving up assets for. Let their contracts expire, they’ll fall right in line with guys on elcs needing raises.

  11. What does Tanev or EG fetch?
    I figure Vanek gets a 3rd.

  12. The Jets should pitch a Mason for Elliot swap.

    —-

    Dorion is just not good at his job. He traded a small fortune for a dog. He kept Ryan over Methot. And now this…

    When I first heard of the Phaneuf for Gaborik deal, I assumed Gaborik was on an expiring contract or only had a year left so they were eating that to get rid of 4 years of Dion. Nope. He traded a decent player with a bad deal for a bad player with a bad deal.

    —-

    Pens should offer a first for Domi. He could fit well with Kessel and his cap hit fits without having to move anyone else out.

    Mario has known Max his entire life, so that could either be the reason he’d want to get him, but it could also be the reason he doesn’t. Might not want to risk an ugly situation with Tie if Max struggles.

    • If thats the cost, I would 100% go for it. Domi has talent but is a role player. He should excel with competent players around him where he can focus on playing his game. Would fit in beautifully beside any of the big 3!

    • MG: Completely agree on Dorion’s handling of the expansion draft. It they protected 4F/4D instead of the 7F/3D option, they would have lost Pageau, Brassard, Ryan or Claesson. None of those would have impacted the team as negatively as losing Methot. Phaneuf did screw them over by not waiving his NTC though as they likely would have only lost Claesson in that 7F/3D scenario. I still don’t buy that Vegas would have taken Ryan with that contract.

    • Ryan was exposed but not picked – shocker.
      I’ve brought this up before but if all it took was a 2020 2nd and a questionable goalie prospect for Vegas to move Methot to Dallas, then Dorion should have paid that before the expansion draft.

      Not sure if Dorion is lazy or had no idea what Vegas wanted but the whole scenario is inexcusable.

      • Supposedly, Dallas wanted Ottawa’s 2017 1st round pick (27th – Shane Bowers) and Dorion refused. That would have been a relatively small price to pay if it meant keeping Methot and possibly include Vegas taking someone else Ottawa didn’t really want.

  13. Few days ago I had a feeling if LA wanted Dion they would make OTT take Gabby. the$4m over the next 3 years saved is to pay for Dorion’s new contract LOL….nothing more. Melnyk is one crazy guy. He won’t keep a d man and wants to promote youth but he wants tOTT fans to spend more $ to fill seats for a bad product…. LOL

    should have gave a 1st rd pick and Ryan to AZ for Domi. something BIG to save $$. I feel for OTT fans =(

    Perhaps Gabby is being shopped around??

    if I were OTT I would move Brassard if a stellar offer is available…if not try in the off season to move him.

    Try to move Z.SMith for whatever at the deadline. Some team will overpay and better to free up some cap bc JGP is the better player and your #3C.

    • It’s not even Ottawa fans here.
      People like me who like the Pens don’t want to be gouged to see the Pens play. Between $30 parking, $10+ beers and food and 1st level tickets for the one game they come here each year, I worked it out where it wouldn’t be a whole lot more for me to fly to Pittsburgh for a Friday or Saturday game and make a weekend out of it. So instead of driving 15 mins to the rink in Ottawa, I end up travelling hours for close enough to the same cost (plus it would be way more fun). I get that Melnyk doesn’t want my ilk going to the games, but that can’t be helping his bottom line.

      From what I do know from local insiders, there is a lot of infighting over the last few months within the front office. I suspect that this trade and Tom Anselmi suddenly leaving will be the tip of the iceberg.

    • Yeah we were just talking about almost the same exact trade they did… ONly that had Bobby Ryan in it too… I said I think LA is only interested in Dion though :). I think GAborik if he gets hot can still be moved before the deadline… Next year he could be traded easily since the last two years of his contract are below 6.5M for an easy buyout. This saves them money that they can use to keep King Karl or others… They right up against the cap before this even with MacArthur on LTIR. Even the 25% they took for him is saved by flipping Nate who made 1-2M range. This saves them lots of real cash while getting a cheap guy like Shore who can play 3rd/4th line really well even if he needs more offense production. Their starting goalie is nearly 40 its time to move on form him and rebuild. They can even trade Duche next year, maybe they can win the draft lottery to get an impact player. I think this is fine for them not so great for LA… Kings were only team that wanted Dion so they had very little leverage but did fine.

  14. Wonder what kind of return the Yotes are looking for from Domi.

    The skill is there, his numbers arnt eye poping but no one really are on that team.

    On that note, what does everyone think of a Ryan Strome for Max Domi trade, they are both On expiring contracts and Strome has 22 points w/ 7 goals and domi 21 points on 4 goals.

    There may be a small add either way, but it would give both players a new start, put both stromes in the desert and the oilers could move Domi to LW after they trade Maroon.

    Thoughts???

    • With AZ cap room perhaps Domi & Hjalmarsson? They can then sign Kane to a LT deal.

    • Strome is a bust.
      Points are a poor measuring stick.

  15. Bruins looking for some size,toughness and who can score on the wing player that comes to mind is Chris Kreider,don’t know if the NYR are willing to deal him but its worth the ask

  16. Hi All,

    Absolutely first trade Pens make MUST be to rid themselves of Hunwick…. offer even a bonus 4th …. NHL will insist on something coming back…. to ANY team … Hunwick + 4th for the absolute weakest and cheapest AHLer. That frees up some dough!!! A depth forward acquisition …. Pirri …. been stuck in AHL but I a PPG and has 16 G in 32 GP…will be depth … because in AHL … won’t take up roster spot …. goes down to Baby Pens … called up as needed …. could try him up and just see how he fairs ….. cost ….not much… he’s UFA.. 5th? 6th? Not a big risk at 5th/6th …. and who knows … when called up …. he’s got a ton to prove as he wants desperately to be back in the bigs …. there was just no room for him in LV and they have great Chem there now …. thoughts ????

    • Pengy, how about a straight up trade with NYR. Since you dislike Hunwick so.

      NYR takes Hunwick off your hands for Brendan Smith? =)

      • You say Tomatoe, I say Tomahto …. left in same sit…. neither help Pens … both wasted $’s…. ur thoughts on Pirri?

  17. So if Ottawa is selling like it’s a fire sale, would I be lambasted if I suggested the sharks offer Demelo, a prospect and their first for Karlsson.

    It’s not a huge return but Karlsson could always resign in July. The combination of Karlsson and Burns would result in the most stacked blue line, and it may be easier than replacing Jumbo.

    The sharks need to do something and from what it seems the pieces are starting to move.

    • Never mind. For some reason I thought Karlsson was UFA.

    • I believe the Sens should move Karlsson, but I doubt that gets it done. With the amount of interest for him, Dorion would be smart to get a bidding war which should drive it up

      • TSN keeps hinting of TB in on EK…. it’ll cost a bucket …. prob Serg & Koekiek and all 3 prospects that just played for team Can for World Jrs , plus a 1st …. does that get them to 2 SCF ‘cuz I can’t see them affording (even with FLA tax bens) at least $10.5 M per …. 19/20 +++ …. and how do they fit all other players in???

      • I am reading the same things. Seems Tampa wants him bad. I think that there is potential there, but to get it done, they’d (Sens) have to take on a bad contract coming back.

  18. Lightning can use defensive help…but not so much Nash as a Vermette type as their possession suffers big-time due to mediocre face off performance. Newcomer Peca is above water but may be too raw for the playoffs, Stamkos has snuck up to 50% and all the rest are under water.

  19. I know this will not be a popular opinion, but I actually think Dorion made a very clever trade for the position he was in. Basically, he needs to save some cash if he is going to have any chance of asking to spend cash elsewhere later, so this trade does that.
    He also did a decent job upgrading the by getting the better, younger, cheaper depth player in Shore for Thompson.

    Overall Ottawa gets some cap relief, although that is irrelevant on a budget team, gets a couple of million in actual cash relief a year, and all in all, they didn’t actually make their team worse.

    I am not saying that Phaneuf is actually worse than Gaborik in terms of skill today, but defensemen are harder to hide in your line up than wingers. A weak spot on the wing doesn’t hurt a team nearly as bad as having a weak spot in your top 4, and Phaneuf is not a strong top 4 defender anymore. He plays on what is arguably the worst top 4 pairing in the league. It’s not that he and Ceci are worse than bottom pairing guys, but they stack up very poorly against other top 4 guys. Ottawa is amoung the worst defensive teams in the league despite having one of the best #1 D in the league. A lot of that is their 2nd pairing being absolutely picked apart by good forwards. They are asked to do way more than they are capable of.

    The worst part of this trade from an Ottawa’s fan’s perspective isn’t the trade itself, but I think it signifies how poorly this team is constructed right now, and being a budget team focused on shedding cash while having bad contracts is just not going to make for a fun ride while they right the ship. It likely means that even when there are chances to use cash to make upgrades, they won’t be in on it, and I think that may mean that Karlsson is probably going to be moving to another team when his contract comes up for renewal.

    • You seem more inline with how I see the trade :). Though not sure how they are a budget team when before this trade Senators were right up on the Cap… That is even w/ the LTIR of MacArthur who is nearly 5M himself. Shore will replace or upgrade over Nate at a cheaper rate too… Senators need to trade their goalie, he is nearly 40 and declined. Even before they traded away Turris he along w/ goalies there in general were putting up sub par numbers… Once Boston went on that loseless streak or getting a point ever game from December until after the All STar Break it was over. They failed to make SCF last year when goalie’s wife had cancer… They choked that away though I think they would have lost to Predators in Finals.

      They only had one team who would take Dion in the Kings. Even retaining the 25% its still offset by the 1-2M Nate was making who is more injury prone than Shore too. Kings will have to pay Dion 5.25M even w/ that retained. Gaborik is under 5M even if they keep him. I think they can trade him before deadline if he gets hot… OR next year they can trade him since the final two years of his contract are below 6.5M easy to buyout. He can still score even though Kings mostly had him on 3rd/4th lines w/ trash. When he was on the first line he scored a few goals so seemed fine.

      This gives Senators a chance to retain King Karl or some other players. They need to rebuild they don’t have the players in net. I think this hurts the Kings unless they can flip the 1st round bust Forbort. They will be playing 4-5 left shot D-men like idiots again. Ottawa would have had to keep Dion for least 2 more seasons then buy out his final one anyways.

      Problem is people still think Dion is the guy who scored 20 goals. Maybe playing with Drew it can hide his issues since nobody can be worse than Forbort :). He supposedly has a more physical edge while Forbort is a bit soft even for his size. Senators tried to win but their team isn’t good enough to even compete for a playoff spot. This helps increase their chances of winning the Draft Lottery or least a top 5 pick. Lot easier to find a left shot D-man who can score more than 3 goals who makes less than 7M in cap each year too :).

  20. If I was TO I would have took Phaneuf for Neilsen, Valiev or Campbell and Rychell or Gauthier provided Senators kept 2 million salary. He is just what they need for a couple years. To bad the LA deal was done.

    At this point TO needs to seriously look to next year. Sure they will get experience in the playoffs but are not a contender yet. Based on what Dermott is showing they need to go after Trouba, Dumba, Manson, or Risto. One of those might cost Gardiner but they have enough left defense men. If not any dman on the Marlies not named Liljigren could be part of the package.

    • I don’t think TO would have even considered Phaneuf… they DO need a solid D to be a contender …. if they are serious and bold …. Wee Willy + 1st + 2nd + Gardner for Parayko + Kyrou …. 5 year plan !!! 2 years from now …. Kyrou is doing what Wee Willy is now (maybe more) …. and in 2 years …. I truly truly truly believe Parayko is one of the 4 best D in the entire NHL….. watching this kid progress over the last 2 years is astonishing …. looks, skates like Pronger…. poised , mature …. huge … skates like the wind …. true puck moving D with very very few hiccups

      • Great 3rd RD pick while playing for the Ft McMurray Oil Barons in the AJHL. Great find by St Louis.
        On a good contract to boot.
        Which means there is no way you get him out of St Louis with Wee Willy as the center piece of the deal. IMO

    • Why would toronto make mistake to trade for player they got rid of in first place :)? Face it Kings were the only team in NHL who was going to trade for Dion before he was bought out in his final year :). YOu can have Forbort if you want a crappy 1st round bust :).

  21. Unless Garth Snow is willing to put one or both of those firsts into trade for a top defenseman (such as OEL if AZ makes him available) and/or a goalie that can stop pucks, someone else will be making those picks.

  22. Wow there are a ton of cluelessness in this site today.

    Moving out Phaneuf was the right move. The cap space retained on Dion’ s deal doesnt matter as Ottawa wont spend to the cap.

    It’s about actual dollars spent.

    Both Dixon’s and Gaboriks deals payout less as the contract moves towards expiration.

    Gaborik’s final year is 3 mill of actual money. Dio’S is 5.5.

    Gaborik cap at 4.8 will be much easier to sell as a rental on that final year than Dixon’s 7.5.

    Buying out Gaborik will also be cheaper though i doubt that be a route ottawa will go.

    Picking up Shore was a solid move. He’s 25. A centre and has been a staple in LA bottom 6. He can provide valuable depth for Ottawa and less than 1 million.

    Sure gaborik wont provide much but neither has Dion. He is too slow for today’s game. It’s about money saved.

    Dion also had a limited no trade list. Dorion needed to move Dion to some one on thar list.

    All in all its a sound move.

    If your silly mindedxand thought Ottawa was going to get gold from trading a bad defensemen with a cap hit of 7.5 million your foolish.

    This was the best case scenario. It isnt about making the team better tommorrow but better after tommorrow.

    I’m very happy with the deal. If gaborik plays hopefully he can improve our pathetic PP and provide forward depth. If not it isn’t a big deal. Most of the time I wanted Dion benched anyways.

    • Ottawa a also wont need to contend with dions no movement clause come Seattle’s expansion draft.

      • Very good point! Didn’t even think of that.

    • Thanks for the perspective, Jeff. Most on here seem to think everything is doom and gloom in Ottawa with every single good player being traded or refusing to sign a long term deal. I’m surprised no one has suggested Stone will want out too and will demand a one year deal so he’ll be UFA next year. Ottawa’s prospect pool is very solid as well with at least five young players (Chabot, White, Brown, Chlapik, Jaros, Englund, etc.) challenging for spots next year. Formenton and Batherson look like very savvy picks in last year’s draft and could be in the NHL in a 2-3 years too.

    • Yeah Jeff though its not just on this site. I saw Kings had 16 votes for winning the trade while only 3-4 at most for SEnators on another sites poll :). You sum it up pretty well, also Gaborik had that great run in 2014 in the post season. So if he gets hot before this deadline they can flip him. OR next year if he can generate a decent year he will be easy to trade since his last two years are cheap to buyout being under 6.5M. Seattle likely getting a team really makes it dumb for Senators to cling to players who might cost them a future from losing in expansion :).

      Right now they need to try to win the draft lottery. Last year they had a run, choked it away. Even before trade they were up on cap w/ the LTIR of MacArthur. So I don’t get how they call it a budget team when they had no cap space even w/ the 5Mish off the books of his ;). Nobody else was going to take a guy w/ 7M cap hit who only has 3 goals either but LAK :).

  23. I’m not trading a GOOD prospect let alone top one for a goalie ! Flyers have Hart close, overpaying for a veteran goalie is idiocy

  24. I think a deal for Mcdonagh is just about done.
    Tampa is my best guess, but he’s gone.

    • What is Tampa trying to recreate the D-men Rangers had when lost to KIngs in 2014 ;)? Next they will call up that stud who retired to try to get the full monty :). PEople mocked them for taking Girardi so its funny to see they had STralman then if get McDonut :). I’m thinking LA flips Forbort or Martinez in a deal to get a forward now… Should be an interesting playoffs so can’t wait :).

  25. If I’m Pittsburgh, why would I pay through the nose for Derick Brassard? Sheahan has been more than fine as their 3C, especially in the last month or so, and appears to be working very well with Kessel and Guentzel. Aston-Reese’s play gives them a solid additional option on the wing, and once Hornqvist return from injury, they have more competent wingers than they have lineup spots.

    Down the middle, the weak link (by a fair margin) is Rowney at 4C, so why not look to upgrade there? If I’m looking at Ottawa as a trading partner against that backdrop, the guy I’m targeting is Tom Pyatt. He has good speed, can kill penalties, has more offensive upside than Rowney, and can also play the wing if you need him to do so. He has 6 goals on an outright awful Ottawa team (as opposed to Rowney’s 2 for a good Pens team, although he has had injury issues), only makes $1.1 million, and is signed for one year past this season.

    Along those same lines, maybe contemplate Sam Reinhart (although he has more offensive upside than Pyatt, and not sure the Sabres would want to deal him), Nick Schmaltz (if Chicago is contemplating selling, which I would not expect for him, but you never know until you ask), Ryan Strome, Paul Byron, or even a Markus Granlund if he’s available and the price is reasonable.

    Considering cost to acquire and likely availability (and, if I’m honest, opposing GM competence), Pyatt and Strome would be my targets.