NHL Rumor Mill – February 7, 2018

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Updates on Rick Nash plus the latest on the Penguins, Senators, Flames, Sabres and more in your NHL rumor mill.

LATEST RANGERS SPECULATION

TSN: Bob McKenzie reports the New York Rangers seek three pieces for winger Rick Nash. “So a first-round pick, a top prospect and another lesser player, or prospect or pick in combination with those,” said McKenzie, who believes the Rangers will ultimately have to settle for a lesser return, perhaps a first- and a second-round pick or a first and a prospect. Pierre LeBrun said the Rangers could be willing to absorb a big chunk of the remainder of Nash’s $7.8-million salary-cap hit to facilitate a trade and maximize the return.

SPORTSNET: Elliotte Friedman believes if a team that’s not on Nash’s list of preferred trade destinations expresses interest in him and makes a good offer, the Rangers could ask him if he’ll consider that club as a possibility. He believes there’s a lot of teams interested in Nash, listing the Dallas Stars, St. Louis Blues, Los Angeles Kings, San Jose Sharks, Toronto Maple Leafs, Columbus Blue Jackets and possibly the Winnipeg Jets as potential suitors.

McKenzie also reports some general managers see Nash’s teamate Michael Grabner as a more affordable option. He already has 21 goals this season and carries a $1.6-million cap hit. McKenzie believes the asking price is along the lines of a first-round pick. While the Blueshirts aren’t rushing everyone out the door, McKenzie said there are no untouchables on the roster. “Not Ryan McDonagh, not Mats Zuccarello, not J.T. Miller, not anybody.” They’re going to listen to offers that involve young players, prospects and picks.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: It’s understandable why the Rangers are setting a high asking price for Nash, but I concur with McKenzie that they could end up accepting a first and a second or a first and a prospect. While Nash is still a notable name, his offensive game has declined. The 33-year-old is on pace this season for 23 goals and 38 points in 82 games. Those numbers could improve on a deeper roster but a rival GM might be unwilling to pay a big price to take that gamble. Grabner’s speed, affordable cap hit and lower asking price could make him enticing to teams unable or unwilling to pay big for Nash. 

Ottawa Senators forward Mike Hoffman might not be as likely a trade candidate as he once seemed to be (Photo via NHL Images).

UPDATES ON THE SENATORS, FLAMES AND SABRES

TSN: Darren Dreger reports the Ottawa Senators are only prepared to trade good players that they believe they’ll get good returns for. Forwards Mike Hoffman, Zack Smith and Jean-Gabriel Pageau are often mentioned as possible trade candidates, but Dreger speculates they could retain Hoffman because he’s developed good chemistry with Matt Duchene.

Pierre LeBrun believes it’s a long shot that the Senators will move defenseman Dion Phaneuf because of his $7 million annual cap hit and modified no-trade clause. However, he believes the Los Angeles Kings have expressed some interest, though the Sens would have to absorb part of his cap hit to move him.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: Up until a couple of weeks ago Hoffman appeared to be the Senators’ prime trade candidate. Of late, that seems to have changed, though we still can’t fully dismiss the possibility, especially if they get a worthwhile offer. If Duchene and Hoffman are playing well, it could be worth keeping them together.

Phaneuf was dealt two years ago this month so we can’t completely reject the notion he gets traded again. But as LeBrun noted, the Sens might have to eat a portion of his cap hit to make happen. 

LeBrun also reports the Calgary Flames covet a scoring winger if they can pull it off. They lack first and second round selections in this year’s draft to use a trade bait, but LeBrun said he’s heard they might be willing to listen to offers for promising goaltender Jon Gillies if he could fetch a scorer with term remaining on his contract.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: LeBrun notes the Flames are deep in goaltending prospects but I’d be leery of parting with the 6-foot-6 Gillies. Depends on what they could get as a scoring forward. 

SPORTSNET: Elliotte Friedman reports hearing some recent talk of Buffalo Sabres forward Ryan O’Reilly in the rumor mill but he said he’d be surprised if the center got moved. He thinks teams have asked about O’Reilly but feels GM Jason Botterill is trying to build up his club’s strength at center and move O’Reilly might not be something they want to do.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: O’Reilly’s big contract (as per Cap Friendly, $7.5 million annually through 2022-23) could be a sticking point if the Sabres did want to trade him. Like Friedman, I don’t see him getting traded. 

LATEST ON THE PENGUINS, COYOTES AND CANUCKS

SPORTSNET: Elliotte Friedman suggests it’s possible Minnesota Wild center Matt Cullen could return to the Pittsburgh Penguins by the trade deadline. The Pens have been linked to a lot of centers over the season but Friedman wonders if they might go back to Minnesota and see if maybe they try to bring Cullen back.

PITTSBURGH POST-GAZETTE: Based on what he’s heard about the Penguins’ approach leading up to the trade deadline Jason Mackey reports he wouldn’t be surprised if the Pens “stand pat, stay out of the third-line center fray, make a small add in the No. 4 spot and move on.” He cites the Penguins improvement since Jan. 1 and feels Riley Sheahan is playing well enough in the third-line center role. Mackey is also convinced the Pens could try to bring back Matt Cullen.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: A Cullen return to Pittsburgh could depend upon where the Wild see the veteran center in their lineup and if they remain in playoff contention over the next two weeks. 

Friedman’s colleague Chris Johnston reports it’s believed Arizona Coyotes forward Max Domi would be open to a move and the club could listen at this point. Domi’s in the final season of his entry-level deal and Johnston said it’s known that if teams want to inquire about Domi he could be had.

AZCENTRAL.COM: Richard Morin reports Coyotes GM John Chayka dismissed the New York Post report claiming Domi was available. “I don’t know where they get this stuff,” Chayka said. While he added he’ll “listen on anything,” Chayka said the club is happy with its young players.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: As I noted on Sunday, Domi’s numbers are down this season because he’s playing a second-line center role and taking on more defensive responsibilities. While I don’t dismiss the possibility that he could be traded for the right offer, I don’t think the Coyotes are beating down doors trying to move him. 

 

 








104 Comments

  1. Matt Cullen not having a great year and I don’t see it improving playing with Ryan Reaves and Carter Rowney/ Tom Kunhackle. Sometimes Mackey is good sometimes he’s just making things up. Nash cost is way to steep. I don’t think Sprong and a first is worth 3 months of Nash.

    • Dee…agreed they are asking a ton for Nash!

      would love Tomas Plekanac shutdown 3rd line center 6 time 20 goal scorer will only cost a second round maybe third round pick..

      • I like that fit 2. If he can be had for a 2nd round pick & a B grade prospect, Mon eats 1/2 the cap hit he helps in numerous ways. Still an elite level penalty killer & shut down C. Strong in the face off circle. Any offensive contributions would simply be a bonus.

        I don’t care who we perceive as the #3 or 4 in Sheahan or Plekanec. Assuming everyone is healthy keep the Guentzel & Kessel as wingers with Sheahan & play Plekanec with Rowney & Kunhnackl. That would bump Reaves right out of the line up still injuries hit & no team makes it thru the playoffs with out losing someone. You play essentially almost every other night for 2 months unless you can brush someone off in 4 or 5 games.

        Come playoff time penalty killing & winning faceoffs is very important.

      • I really don’t know if Plecanac is really that much better than Rowney at this point in their careers. Rowney is a good physical, defensive centre that can play wing too. I still think Nic Petan would be a good, under the radar choice. He is 22 already and it doesn’t seem like he’s ever going to crack the Jets full time roster. I’m not sure why, maybe his size. He has 41 points in 39 games in the AHL this season. His game is based on speed and skill. Guentzel/ Petan/ Kessel would be the best third line in the NHL and Jake can play centre in some cases too. I’m scared of what the cost would be, it depends on how much they value him. If it doesn’t work out he can still play 4C with Aston-Rease and Rowney as wingers.

        With all the injuries to forwards right now in Pittsburgh it will be interesting to see who gets called up. If Blueger comes up and plays 4C with competence just Dermot did in Toronto then maybe they solve the problem in house.

  2. As a Jackets fan, at that price for Nash, hard pass.

    • STRIKER…Agree you are spot on with Plekanac’s value especially in the playoffs.

    • I guarantee that Jarmo is not giving up a first for Nash. The Jackets already have too many over-30, overpaid forwards who don’t score and sure as Hell don’t need or want another one.

  3. Curious everybody wants a lot of their UFA’s can’t blame them. How many 1st round pick do you see going at the trade deadline?
    Mine is 3 I think Nash and Kane will bring back a 1st plus and there be one other.

    • I’ve predicted no first rounders will be dealt this year. No disrespect to the talent being offered, my premise is that talent pool coming into the NHL is growing every year and I think GMs are starting to recognize that if they deal a first, they are likely dealing a very good talent which could become a star. A first rounder may be deal for a high end talent with contract term. We’ll see how this plays out.

      • At least 1 will move probably 2 or what is essentially the equivalent, 2 2nds & a solid prospect. Example. E. Stall for Saarela & 2 2nd round picks. Saarela is a solid prospect for Carolina, not elite but he will be an NHL player & should play his rookie season in 2019-20.

        I do agree with you that the talent pool is increasing each year as the NHL’s efforts to grow the game especially in the US are just starting to bare fruit but late 1st’s aren’t guaranteed to yield an NHL player yet. Still a crap shoot & if a player can help a team win the cup they will pay. This is a business & it’s certainly about winning & long term asset management but making money factors in there some where & each playoff gate is 3+ mil for even the lowest of NHL teams for the elite 5+ mil per gate. That’s almost pure profit as the players essentially play for free come the playoffs.

  4. I agree although asking beyond a first rounder necessitates a sucker to make the relationship work.

    • I think Chi was very happy with the return they got on giving up their 1st to get Vermette. His 3 GWG’s, 1 scored in OT were as significant as anything or anyone in Chi winning the cup. Had he not scored those timely goals & these were cheap goals scored early that became game winners Chi wouldn’t have won that cup.

      I get what you saying it doesn’t work for most but this is the NHL culture. It’s not changing this year. No harder trophy to win in pro sports. A 2 month grind & you need as much depth as possible to have any hope. Then you still need a ton of things to go right. Not the least of which is well above average goal tending if not elite.

  5. I generally abhor the lol statement but I literally loled after reading the rangers ask for nash. I think I scared the dude in the stall next to me.

    • I use Ha-ha! LOL has negative religious association in the bible belt as many of my clients have expressed to me. Ha-ha!

      I hate using it but my dry officious style offends people so I try to define when I’m trying to be funny.

      • As a pastor (albeit a New England, not Bible-Belt one), I couldn’t think for the life of me why a Christian would find LOL offensive. I did research and came upon this snopesarticle… https://www.snopes.com/inboxer/hoaxes/lolsatan.asp

        Even if the supposed acronym were real, who cares if that is obviously not the intent…LOL!

      • Nor I, I was told it related to the devil, so I stopped didn’t want to deliberately offend anyone.

        I couldn’t even buy alcohol in Enterprise Alabama on a Sunday. Dry county on Sunday’s what decade is it anyway? Had to drive to the joining county.

        Did see a very cool church sign though, that still makes me laugh when I see the picture I took on my way to Geneva Alabama. Deliverance Temple Inc.

  6. Only a fool would surrender a 1st round pick and more for Nash. Clearly on the downside of his career, to slow and heinously overpaid for what he provides on the ice. Would be buyers should be aware of Nash’s annual no show come playoff time.

  7. After arguing here yesterday about Nash’s worth/ value … I have to say this ask is crazy high. 3-4 years ago different story. I get it, ask high, and settle. I think he’ll get a 1st . Anything more than that is a gift.

    As for Grabner hard to say what he’ll fetch at the deadline. He’s been worth every penny of his deal. NY should hold 1/2 and maximize the return on him and Nash. Not sure how or if Grabner works anywhere else. But certainly worth the risk.

    Mcdonagh, Zuccarello would certainly bring back great returns. Maybe both should be moved in the offseason rather than now.

    Get whatever you can for Holden and Deharnais.

    • IMO no matter how high the pick could be a first round pick for a rental player is to high. Unfortunately though the Flames don’t have a first this year as they like to trade high draft picks like candy. Although Gillies would be a nice return and replacement for Lundqvist for when he decides to retire.
      Agreed that McDonagh and Zuccarello should bring in nice return.

      • The Rangers have 1 of the best goalie prospects not playing in the NHL in Igor Shesterkin. I assume he will be coming over to NA from the KHL this summer. 22 years old; Born in Dec, drafted in the 4th round in 2014 & has played exceptionally well for St. Petersberg the last 2 years. Stellar pedigree including in the WJC’s the year after he was drafted in 2015.

        I don’t see NYR blocking his path it will time out perfectly with Lundquist’s contract. a full season in the AHL moves into the back up role the following season & then Lunquist mentors him in his final season handing over the reigns.

    • Vegas really botched it not taking Grabner especially if he fetched a 1st round pick. HE seemed like a no brainer to take… Though their stupid GM was not trying to win now or even compete. They won a lot more than expected while getting lots of help from teams in Pacific having injury or other issues. Grabner probably has about as many empty net goals as the player they took from NYR… Last I checked he had like 6 or 7 goals while I read Grabner head 6 ENG.

      I need to get that weed the Rangers are smoking related to Nash’s worth… Yeah he might still be good for 20-30 goals but those 40 goal seasons are in past like Gaborik’s :). I can see a conditional 1st rounder this year or next sorta like Kings did in a Carter trade I think it was… Then maybe another player thrown in at most. If they think they can get 3 or more assets they are really smoking some high grade or low grade weed :).

      Was funny reading the Boston game they talked about Nash scoring off a feed from BAckes… IT was Riley Nash, so that was really confusing :). I think Nash scored the 1st goal for Rangers in that so he must want to get moved ASAP :).

  8. Having suffered for years as a Leaf fan, I actually feel sorry for New York Rangers. They have fading assets, overpaid midlevel guys and a classy goaltender that deserves a better end to his career.

    I hate to say this but even if they find suckers to deal with their assets, they are headed for mediocracy and below in the next number of years.

    They built their teams signing and overpaying UFAs to term and now they are stuck with declining assets.

    Unless they go through a rebuilding phase like other teams like Detroit and build through the draft, there are going to be many depressed Rangers fans in the years to come.

    • Who are these aging , fading assets? Most of this team is under 30. Skjei 23, Buchnevich 22, Miller 24, Zibanejad 24, Kreider 26, Vesey 24, Fast 26, Mcdonagh 28, Hayes 25, Deangelo 22, so we’re basically talking about Staal and Nash?

      I don’t see them being bottom feeders for 5-10 years like Toronto and Edmonton.

      They’ve missed the playoffs once in the cap era. ( by 1 point , lost to Philadelphia in game 82. The winner was going to the playoffs, the loser was going home)

      Great run! Nothing to be depressed about. They have plenty of young talent and more coming. Andersson, Chytil, Day, Pionk, Shestyorkin, Bereglazov.

      It’s not as bad as some people make it out to be.

      • The average age in NY, 27.5, the average age of Toronto 27.6. I guess Toronto is even in worse shape than NY?

      • Dilly Dilly

      • Hard to predict what the Rangers will do at the deadline they aren’t that far out yet all i hear is they are breaking things down…
        Anybody got some inside knowledge on the rangers…

      • Not far out but fading fast with a logjam of teams leapfrogging them in the standings. Lots of injuries, and the clock ticking.

        Even 100% healthy, they aren’t getting out of the 1st round of by some miracle they make it.

        I think they recognize this. I don’t think they put Nash and Grabner out there to help get them over the hump.

        This isn’t any kind of inside info. But it seems they’ve pulled the plug.

      • Today they have 29 games remaining.

        They’d probably have to go 18-9-2 and hope nobody catches fire just to squeak in. I don’t think anyone in that organization, players, coaches, gm etc. believes that’s obtainable. Maybe a few hardcore fans, but I have to believe it’s just pride talking at that point.

        I’m not that delusional fan.

      • I agree…Rangers played most of this seasonwith just 2 maincenters, Zibenajad and Hayes.
        Also, AV’s aversion to playing young players.
        So now they plan to get younger with coach who doesn’t like playing youngsters.

    • NYR isn’t paying a 38 year old player 6.25 million per year for 2 more years after this year. This contract could very well prevent Toronto from signing a top RFA or 2 this offseason and/or next.

    • None of this makes sense to me Frank. Thks NYr4Life for posting the ages of the current roster & the current crop of extremely high end prospects.

      I don’t like what Gorton did this summer, specifically buying out Girardi & then signing Smith costing NYR more than it would have cost to just keep Girardi a far superior Dman even today.

      Not addressing the #3 C spot or higher of you prefer has been an issue all season especially when Zibby missed 9 games & Hayes 6.

      NYR still only sits 3 pts out of a playoff spot & for me the biggest issue above all is Vigneault but what’s done is now done.

      As much as it pains me sell off the UFA’s stock pile what assets you can & then make a decision this summer.

      Tearing this down doesn’t make sense to me & I have liked a ton of what Gorton has done but his handling of the cap & roster this summer has serious warning bells going off as the money wasted in the Giradi, Smith swap is inexcusable to me.

    • Rangers fans are pretty loyal regardless how the team is doing… If they were the Kings who lost the 2014 Cup final they would have lots of fans/money… Teams like LA have really fickle fans that need to win Cups or do well to keep… NYR can lose 50 games in a season while still having fans show up… Its like Jets compared to Giants in NFL… When the Jets struggle you can’t even give away or sell the tickets… Sister had season tickets she gave up since things got so bad… Even Islanders if they don’t do well they suffer badly especially playing in Brooklyn…

      Rangers might have some bumps in road but their team isn’t that bad… King Henrik might be near the end of the road… So maybe keeping him with that insane contract while trading away Talbot, Raanta other goalies will cause them to win the Draft lottery.

      I’ll never feel bad for Rangers fans, I just wish I got more gear when Kings won in 2014 over them like the Devils in 2012 :). Its not like they are a team like Buffalo or Coyotes with a child running the franchise :). Its funny how many of their fans want to fire the coach that got a weaker team to cup… While Tortz blew it ditching Avery losing to 40ish year old Brodeur Devils… Thankfully since they would have been harder for Kings to beat with a stud Gaborik Rangers had in 2012 :).

  9. Not really. Toronto is on their way up the elevator and NYR and moving down. The guys you mentioned aren’t going to be ones one would build a contending franchise around.

    • Ny just had a contending franchise for years. Based around guys that weren’t 1st round picks.
      Toronto has been on the rise for 10 minutes, and the Rangers sliding for 8.

      Let’s see where Toronto is after giving these guys their gigantic raises. And let’s see what direction NY takes before deciding anything.

      Ny was a bubble team coming into this season. Too paper thin down the Middle. I can’t remember the last time they were bottom feeders. They are nowhere near as bad as you make it out to be.

      Side note. How do you know these guys aren’t ones to build a franchise around? Again, they’ve done this with guys like Callahan, Stepan, Girardi, Dubinsky etc.

      You don’t need a Crosby to build a team around. If every team waited for that type of player, well they’d be waiting forever.

      And to get these type of players usually takes years of being a bottom dweller.

      • Don’t forget to factor in the Shatty/Krieder injuries as to why the Rangers have fallen a bit. Frank, Rangers are not the only team that has overpaid for free-agents in the past….

      • I agree.

        Most of these younger players NYR4Life has mentioned aren’t yet even fully developed.

        I also feel that Gorton’s mismanagement of the cap this summer is huge in this seasons decline as those monies could have been spent on much needed depth but again I blame Vigneult the most.

        His handling of Buchnevich, his refusal to use Hayes & Skjei on any PP unit until almost the last game has frustrated me all season. It ties into his distaste for young players something he has basically harbored his entire coaching career.

        That said no team has played more playoff games than NYR’s since Nash was acquired! Vigneault has been there for all but 1 of those seasons. That is a huge reason NYR is the #1 revenue generating team in the NHL for the last 4 years. They make more money than almost the bottom 1/2 of the teams in the NHL combined.

      • I don’t see the Rangers making big moves at the trade deadline simply because, like a lot of teams, they are a four game winning streak from being in the playoffs. At the top in the East, check out Tampa Bay and Boston – the Leafs could be meeting TB in the first round and good luck to any team that faces Boston. Teams get on a roll, injuries happen, and everything changes.
        New York has a great goaltender, solid depth and, despite the negative vibes he seems to generate, a coach in Vigneault who has been there many times and knows all about playoff hockey. I see the Rangers and many other bubble teams making any significant changes in the summer.

      • BCleaf,
        One way or the other, NY will have to be active come the deadline. Buyers or sellers. I can’t imagine they’ll limp into the playoffs with the current roster. No idea of when Shattenkirk or Kreider coming back.

        The last two weeks or so they have been leapfrogged by Pittsburgh, Philly, NYI’s, and Carolina. Now Florida is breathing down their necks with 2 games in hand.
        No Vesey, Buchnevich, Shattenkirk, Staal, or Kreider right now. I don’t see a 4 game win streak in this team.

        Gorton would be a fool if he didn’t pull the plug now. Why lose all of these players for nothing?

        I don’t believe they asked Nash to submit his no trade list to make a run for it.

      • I had the same argument all season & would prefer they actually try to win games but injuries, a lack of depth, Gorton’s decisions this summer up to & including today, coupled with Vigneualt’s refusal to play the players that can help the PP & score, I have to start to believe the rumors being reported.

        I had NYR to secure the 1st wildcard spot before the season started. Their inability to address the need at C had me bump them to the 2nd wildcard spot well before Christmas. I have had concerns about the schedule & hadn’t even altered my perception of them missing until Hayes & Shatty went down, now add in Staal & Buchnevich on top of Kredier’s injury not being addressed & it would be wishful thinking to think they can overcome all these issues now.

        NYR still has a 5 game discrepancy between home; 29 played, & away; 24 played, games. They are 6 games under 500 on the road if you perceive OTL’s as ties. In their last 20 they are 7-11-2. last 10 3-7.

        Not mathematically impossible to make the playoffs but obviously their are no season saving actually hockey trades or Gorton would have addressed long ago when Kreider was lost.

        As much as it pains me if I’m NYR & NYR is more than 5 points out of a playoff spot come Feb 26 I’m selling for sure & if the right offer comes along I’m now selling regardless. I didn’t lay an wagers on NYR in anyway & there ranking isn’t costing me my standings pool but I don’t like being wrong, even if easily explainable or justified. Ha-ha!

        The great thing about sports. Injuries are significant, the really good teams find a way to over come & win regardless. Who gets injured being far more significant than how many man games are lost to injury.

  10. Frank, I commend what NYR did a few years back, it put them in the Stanley cup finals. They gave up resources to get an elite player in Nash. As with us all, we get older and our skills erode. This is what good organization do. The Leafs will be doing something similar in the next 2-3 years. Hopefully we will make it at least as far as the Rangers have. Five years afterwards, we will likely have to rebuild again – its part of the new NHL cap driven model.

  11. My deadhorse -Grabner should fetch as much as Nash.

  12. Well I think Nash won’t get that much I do think he’s going to be moved for a first for sure … I also think Montreal now are waking up and realized you can’t win with no centre … moving away from always defence first mentality …. I don’t understand why people think they won’t be trading their first round pick when Ottawa and Calgary already don’t have one trust me when your a Nashville or Pittsburgh or St Louis and you think you could win a cup you will trade wtv it takes and if it takes a 1st round pick ….

    • Great comments Frank…(FRANCO ) lol and right on the money today…

      The one thing you also have to think about is what can you do to make sure that the team your worried about isn’t getting that high end guy either.

      there is one team that I believe will pony up that first rounder this year for Nash…as there roster is 90% set for the next 5 – 8 years and will not think twice about loosing a First Rounder as it will mean nothing to them in the future..and that’s the Nashville Predators !

      https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/predators

      This team is stacked right now and has most of almost every player on the top 3 lines and top 4 D pair signed long term …they will not miss a draft pick this year or next for that matter!

      David Poille is the absolute best GM in the league for what he has done and how he has signed this core of talent long term
      the talent core and the cap management for this team and how it was put together is pure genius and patience …

      they are in WIN NOW MODE for the next 4 years strong!

      A first rounder and then some can be reacquired in any trade of 12 guys on this team in any deal if need be in the future if it all goes south like in Montreal !

    • Agreed on the draft pick Frank. Any solid team if they feel they are getting what significantly improves their chances will move a late 1st round pick to roll the dice.

      I thin k 2 will be moved the equivalent of 3 as at least 1 other will be more a volume deal, 2 2nd’s & a far better prospect a prospect that actually has an NHL future of some nature not 1 that might, maybe.

  13. The asking price on Rick Nash is comedy.

    He’s worth a second. No GM is giving up a first to rent him, that’s delusion.

    Unless Matt Cullen is coming back to essentially coach and hang out at practice, no thanks. Rowney is better. JS Dea, even, is better.

    • Nashville, Tampa , Vegas etc 2018 1st round pick cant be over valued here when any could be 30-31st pick. I’d prefer Rangers took a top prospect from Nashville+a 2nd rounder for Nash than Nashvilles 1st round+ random prospect

      • Example if the Rangers trade Nash for Nashville’s 1st and Grabner for Tampa’s 1st the odds that those players are top 6 is slim. Why wouldn’t both those teams make those deals?

        Not saying these are the destinations but Tampa/Nashville must be all in and their 1st round picks available for the right fit

        Evander Kane can disrupt the locker room-which team can handle that?

      • The Pens coups hsndle Kane’s bs for sure. Crosby leads by example and all the younger guys pay close attention. That and Ryan Reaves has to be one of the few players Kane is afraid of.

    • Yet you feel Cole is worth Brassard+? Yikes! Talk about delusional.

      • My call is simple. Nash is not the player that he once was but his affect on the team that gets him wil be huge. Is is an excellent all around player and a great leader. I really believe that whichever team gets him, wins the cup. I’d be very happy for him. He gives his last drop of enery in every game. Not a lot of vetrens play like he does.

      • If you read closely, you’d notice I said Brassard (at half price) for a first and a prospect and Cole traded in a separate deal to free up salary.

        For the sake of saving posts, no one is giving up a first for Nash and certainly no one is giving up a first for Grabner. The second round pick is the new rental currency.

      • I forgot about the sens holding 1/2 of Brassards contract in the process…

        So to reiterate. No contending team will pay a late 1st round to rent Nash. But a non playoff team will take on a rental (that’s been a healthy scratch how many times this year? Oh… forgot it’s to make sure he’s healthy when he’s traded) they don’t need, trade away a solid center + while holding 1/2 his salary this year and next?

        Sounds accurate.

      • NYR4life… You can’t hold a rational conversation with the Pens following or Frank or Kal EL for that matter. Don’t stress about it. Everyone here wants to shit on Nash. Sure hes not Nash from early career but who is in the NHL. Heck all the leafs following thought Komorov was worth a first rounder last year, but Nash isn’t? Deadline history indicates that firsts are handed out frequently. Someone made the example yesterday of Vermette and Hanzal. Are both better than Nash… short answer no. Don’t worry about it. NY Rangers will be just fine. As Frank said the leafs haven’t been good for a long time. They got lucky with a first overall pick that landed Matthews, they highly tout the shannaplan which I don’t believe is a best seller or available to be read in any format. So a little success results in turning a blind eye to the shortfalls and tossing all common sense to the curb. Just simply bask in the euphoria. Can anyone come playoff time compete with the likes of Tampa, Vegas, Boston, Washington or Nashville? I think not. Anyway cue the hate mail.

      • @ NYR4life

        I think in some part the Rangers lost a big identity and core quality player by letting go of Stepan!

        I was always envious that you guys had this guy..he is money in the playoffs and always seemed to score a big goal in the season….while I understand they opted for Brendan Smith Shattenkirk & Zibanajed instead and cap situation he is only 27.

        ..he was still very effective and a core piece of success on the Blue shirt team and is missed in the Vingeault system and all around …while you can argue he has done sh%$@ since he left …he is on the Yotes team and I would not hold it against him and his stats…I think he was a guy they should have kept!

      • I think it really goes back to the Brassard deal. They were forced to make to save money. Compiled with the Stepan trade it killed them.

        They’ve had the good fortune of being deep at center for years. Almost a 1a-1b-2a line rollout. They went into this season with nobody behind Zibanejad and Hayes.

        The Smith signing I’ll never understand. Shattenkirk left money on the table, but I never liked that deal either.

        I saw this coming before one puck was dropped this year. I’ve actually been advocating a deep rip down all year. I think in 2 years they can be a competitor again. Maybe next year if they can pry Tavares out of Brooklyn.

        It’s way too early to completely write them off. Right now, nobody knows exactly who’s coming and going. I think the picture will clear up a little at the deadline, and a lot come July 1st.

        People here, and everywhere have been writing them off since Lundqvist turned 30.
        I can’t even count how many times I defended it here. Now, I believe their window has closed. But before we go round and round about the future, I think we need to see what the next couple of weeks brings back.

      • I didn’t like the Stepan trade although Anderson is going to be a very good player & DeAngelo has a future as an offensive Dman. The trade in & if it’s self was fine when solely looking at assets moved but it doomed NYR as they didn’t have the depth at C to have lost this player.

        I din’t want NYR to sign Shatty, a 1 dimensional player who thinks he’s a 1st paring Dman.

        Had NYR just kept Stepan, Girardi, not signed Smith or Shatty They would have been far better served & not be in this position. That’s on Gorton. Girardi’s buyout & Smith’s contract are going to sting hard for 3 more years. The money swapped on these 2 players made ZERO sense to me when it transpired & it is the single biggest reason after Vigneault that NYR is in this position. Teribke aset cap management & if I were ownership it would have cost Gorton his job. You can’t afford these types of mistakes in today’s cap world.

      • It’s almost to the point that I wish Sather would grab the wheel and fire Gorton.
        But I’ll give Gorton another couple of years to see where he’s going.

        Never liked the Stepan deal. It didn’t make sense to me unless the plan was to tear it down. Which it looks like that’s the direction. But then to murder the Smith deal/ Girardi buyout and to sign Shattenkirk?

        I’ve been saying all year, this looks like an organization which is preparing for life after Lundqvist. And I believe that’s exactly what they’re thinking.

        I like Andersson, Chytil, Shestyorkin, and a bunch of the young d-men coming.Not a Deangelo fan. Looks like MDZ part deux imo. That and having Shattenkirk makes that right side ugly.

        I’m more than okay with tearing down. Gorton needs to be kept on a short leash. They cannot afford another offseason like last year.
        If Mcdonagh and Zuccarello are on their way out, Sather needs to be in on those discussions.

        I know I’m about to get flooded with Sather hate. The guy has made some mistakes. Especially when it came to UFA’s. But seemed to do well in trades. He was handed this franchise after Neil Smith drove it into the ground for many years. He tore it down going into the cap, and brought them back to a respectable team again. Which has lasted until now.

        I’m more than happy with the way this team has operated for the past decade plus. It sucks they fell short a few times, but they were in the hunt.

      • Last MG check in a few days ago it was Jarry going to the sens ( who don’t have a need for him) For Brassard with 1/2 his salary retained.

        Because apparently Dorion is a huge Pens fan!

        But a 1st for Nash is “delusional “?

      • I agree NYR4Life.

        All Gm’s make mistakes & Gorton had done several positive things prior to last summers melt down but it concerns me if he has the ability to manage a systematic restructuring because the Girardi buyout Smith signing is essentially inexcusable for me.

        I could stomach the Shattenkirk signing but not at the cost of Stepan.

        What ails NYR today could have been avoided but it was a conscious decision by Gorton & that is really bad. My wanting him fired for such is unlikely as I assume these decisions weren’t solely made by him & Sather most likely had input but final call was Gorton’s.

      • “MG

        If you read closely, you’d notice I said Brassard (at half price) for a first and a prospect and Cole traded in a separate deal to free up salary.

        “Nyr4life

        But a non playoff team will take on a rental (that’s been a healthy scratch how many times this year? Oh… forgot it’s to make sure he’s healthy when he’s traded) they don’t need, trade away a solid center + while holding 1/2 his salary this year and next?

        Sounds accurate.”

        Re-read it as slowly and as many times as you need to in order to comprehend what was written.

      • Haha mg… talk about reading comprehension…. my last dig was your pitch Brassard for Jarry…..

        MG on February 4, 2018 at 1:11 pm
        Craig Button was floating a Pens goalie to Ottawa concept.
        Between Murray, DeSmith and Gustavsson, Jarry could certainly be used as a trade chip if the return is good enough.
        I’d want a half priced Derick Brassard for him. Sens eat half of his cap hit until the end of contract next season.
        The Sens would have to admit/commit to a rebuild for such a deal to happen.

        DELUSIONAL!!!!! Do I have to dig up that Cole trade too now?

      • Cole is playing extremely well and is a playoff force…but for Brassard you will have to add a second round pick and maybe something else..

      • The Sens are a non playoff team…. why on earth are they taking on a bottom pairing ufa d-man for Brassard and a 2nd?

        Do you really believe this somehow interests a team not going to the playoffs? And do you really believe there wouldn’t be 8-10 MUCH better deals on the table? If they are so in love with Cole, why not wait until July 1st when they get him for nothing. And actually bring back assets for Brassard under contract?

        Ottawa is NOT taking on a rental player, or Jarry for Brassard. Unless Dorion really IS a huge Pens fan..

        I can hear the conversation now.

        “What the hell were you thinking?! This was a great deal for the Pens!”

        Dorion ” Pens? Doh!!! I thought it was a good deal for the Sens!!! Darn rhyming names!”

      • And my 2nd response to you MG was being typed as you responded… 1 minute difference between post!
        Never saw your explanation… but still call bs. Still pretty sure you’ve made some ridiculous Cole proposals over the last 2-3 months.

        So settle down with the reading comprehension, and explain the Jarry for Brassard (at 1/2 Price deal).

      • Cole is not a trade chip to any non playoff team unless they feel they can flip him or sign him. Fin. End of story. If cole had the value they wished he had he’d have been moved by now. If pens don’t want him could they send him to a playoff team for a pick to use in another trade? Maybe. But not buff not ny not ott

      • That would be my price for Jarry. If Ottawa wouldn’t meet it, I’d keep him. He’s a top young goalie.

        And yes, by all means, dig up where I said the Sens should trade Brassard to the Pens for Ian Cole rather than just admit that you misread the trade offer.

        Sounds like a good use of your time.

      • This is why you shouldn’t quit your day job. Out of morbid curiosity, when the last time an unproven goaltender got that kind of return?

        Que the jeapordy music…. now!

      • Lehner fetched a first.

        And you neither found where I supposedly proposed this trade you claimed nor admitted to misreading what was written.

        Just FTR.

        I suspect this pattern continues.

      • So a 1st round pick is the same value as an established #2 center and holding half of his salary?

        Truly delusional…. try again….

    • Again…

      “If you read closely, you’d notice I said Brassard (at half price) for a first and a prospect.”

      I said a first and a prospect.

      Do you only read every third word in any given sentence?

      Feel free to track down the last time a year and a half of a second line center fetched more than that.

      • MG on February 4, 2018 at 1:11 pm
        Craig Button was floating a Pens goalie to Ottawa concept.
        Between Murray, DeSmith and Gustavsson, Jarry could certainly be used as a trade chip if the return is good enough.
        I’d want a half priced Derick Brassard for him. Sens eat half of his cap hit until the end of contract next season.
        The Sens would have to admit/commit to a rebuild for such a deal to happen.

        That’s your exact quote. I don’t see anything but Jarry, Brassard and sens eating half!

        Goalies have almost no value these days. Nevermind an unproven one to a team with TWO under contract.

      • Matt Duchene? No? Strange enough…. to Ottawa!

        Your turn!

        A goalie with 17 career starts fetching a center (that even YOU said could slot in the top six if Malkin or Crosby were injured) while holding 1/2 salary….. and ….GO!

      • Ottawa’s interest in a Pens goalie was reported by Button, not me.

        You have falsely assumed equal value between Lehner and Jarry.

        MY offers (not the ones you misread and then misquoted) for Brassard at half price (read closely) would be…

        Jarry

        Or

        A first and a prospect.

        Jarry is worth more to me than a nameless first. He’s not that far from Murray in talent. If at all.

        Lehner sucks and I said so at the time.

        If you want to NOW call me delusional for those offers, the ones I ACTUALLY proposed, so be it…but you have yet to accurately quote one of my offers that you then called delusional.

        I hope this clears it up.

        And Rick Nash still isn’t fetching a first.

      • Duchene is a nice try, but Brassard is a 30 year old #2 center. Duchene is also a #2 center BUT he’s 26 and, for reasons only known to Dorion, the Sens valued him as a #1 center.

        He sucks, but they think he’s a #1 (which is why Duchene plays with Stone or Hoffman while Brassard was playing with Dzingel, DiDomineco and Paajarvi before he got hurt) and paid for him as such.

      • So Brassard isn’t a comparable to Duchene, but a unknown 1st round pick for a goaltender is a comparable to Brassard for Jarry?

        Did button say Jarry for Brassard and the sens hold half? Or you take Buttons words, turn them into your own trade scenario and run with it…. only to hide behind it as Buttons idea? Certainly not straight up, and certainly not with the sens holding half!

        I seriously doubt Button even came close to making that proposal. I doubt he even said ANYTHING putting those 2 in the same trade.

        Show me where in that post you said Anything about a pick and prospect!

        MG on February 4, 2018 at 1:11 pm
        Craig Button was floating a Pens goalie to Ottawa concept. ( not here)

        Between Murray, DeSmith and Gustavsson, Jarry could certainly be used as a trade chip if the return is good enough. (Not here)

        I’d want a half priced Derick Brassard for him. Sens eat half of his cap hit until the end of contract next season. Not here)
        The Sens would have to admit/commit to a rebuild for such a deal to happen. (Not here)

        So where is it?

      • As far as Nash nor getting a 1st we’ll see. Front page of ESPN/ NHL, Tsn.ca / Nash!

        Jarry? Not so much. But so we’re clear here as the deadline draws near. Jarry is worth more than Brassard (at half price) and Nash? Lmao! ( Sorry Chrism) that really makes me laugh out loud typing it….

        Mg, see me in about 3 weeks and we’ll revisit this conversation. I’ll highlight for you these exact quotes come deadline day or whenever these players move this year… if at all.

        Don’t go out trading your Jarry Jersey for a Brassard jersey just yet!

      • “Goalies have almost no value these days. Nevermind an unproven one to a team with TWO under contract.” – You

        “Ottawa’s interest in a Pens goalie was reported by Button, not me.” – Me.

        Did I claim that Button proposed a Jarry for Brassard deal or did I address your point that Ottawa already had two goalies under contract?

        “Show me where in that post you said Anything about a pick and prospect!”

        I said nothing in that post about a pick or a prospect. In that post, I discussed Jarry.

        In other posts, including the one you that you refuse to admit to misreading above, I talked about a pick and a prospect.

        Reading. Fundamental.

        Also, I’d mention the Martin Jones trade as a better comp for Jarry than my previous example of Lehner, but I don’t you to accuse me of proposing a Brassard for Sean Kuraly deal.

        “Kuraly is even on the Pens!!! Delusional!!!”

      • Writing… for dummies… Jarry for Brassard 1/2 retained hardly looks like Jones for a 1sr and a prospect. At that time they had an expiring Niemi, and Stalock… not 2 goalies under contract . See the difference? Probably not I’m guessing.
        Where was the 2nd line center involved in this deal…. with 1/2 salary retention? Not there. See the difference? Probably not.

        Great reference. Because Kuraly and a 1st is probably about the price Jarry fetches today. On a good day! It’s a far cry from a 2nd line center at half price. See the difference? Probably not.

        I know you THINK other teams would love to help the Pens 3-peat …. they don’t !

        Again… we’ll see. Talk to me in 3 weeks.

        Until then can you come up with some more lopsided deals? Hagelin for Draisaitl?

        Cole for Doughty? Of coarse Both LA and Edmonton will need to hold half for the duration.

      • And the primary player involved in those deals… Lucic with one year remaining….like? Brassard? Hmmmmmm

  14. Rick Nash 77 playoff games 15 goals, what an amazing money player!!! Remember when Rangers went to finals and he did nothing? 25 games 3 goals!!!

    Some players are just playoff guys and some are not!

    • As a Buffalo fan how can you tell the difference? Hahaha… I kid I kid… no really Buffalo has been terrible!

    • The fact they got to the finals lends to Nash’s contribution. There is more to playoff hockey than just goals & points. The fact they have played more playoff games than any team in the NHL since Nash arrived in NYR lends to Nash’s value.

      It’s called winning & it can’t solely be qualified in goals & assists. Nash has over 1/2 a point per game in the playoffs. That’s fairly solid production but more importantly as stated above he helped accomplish something far greater he helped NYR get into all those playoff games.

      • I agree 1000% striker …

        a roll player regardless of points can be just as valuable an asset or more so if he is contributes in the right way every game…and not hurting you defensively or taking penalties.

        I am big role player fan if he plays his position the right way most every shift!

      • I am not talking Ryan Reaves type role player here ….

        Iam talking maybe a Patric Hornqvist type role player ….what id give to have that guy on my team!

        Another guy …Justin Williams nose for the net… big goals at the right time!

        Rielly Smith and Leaf killer last year Tom Wilson …honorable mention

      • Kunitz has 4 cup rings, 1 in Anh, 3 in Pit & has a shot at a 5th with TB.

        The Neal for Hornqvist trade at the time seemed bizarre to me but 2 cups later it looks really smart.

        I love black & white & I really struggle with the grey aspects of everything in life but they exist & in this situation you can’t negate Nash’s contribution in NYR’s playoff success since his arrival in NYR. Some players just win & come playoff time Nash is in elite company.

    • Rangers were the worst team Kings played in the playoffs… They beat 3 teams who would have won the Cup if they didn’t… Coming back down 3-0 against the Sharks… Then the other teams all had them on the brink 3-3 regardless how it started or went… Rangers got to cup mostly because of the emotion from the death of the parent of St. Louis… I think they were down 3-1 at one point in the post season… Kings Won though they had a few games go into OT that could have went either way. Simply put Kings were a far better team than Rangers so to not sweep them was a victory in itself.

      I do think Boyle or so gave the Kings the biggest problems keeping him under control… HE is like 6’7, made the All star game kinda for Devils so… Kings had him but let him go for trash… I think it resulted in them getting Jordan Weal when they moved Boyle. Then passing on signing him as Free Agent wondering why they are a fringe playoff team :).

      Gaborik was down/out on his luck before Kings got him in a minor deal to help win 2nd Cup… So never know if Nash gets moved how he will do on the new team… Look at Duche he did real bad for Senators early on while Turris was lighting the fire. Staal looked like he was done in NY before doing well on Wild… Not everybody can play in NY in any sport which is a factor too :).

  15. ok… question… which team this year gets Vaneked? (Which team holds out for too much and settles last minute for a minor return) Mont? NY? Buff? Van?

    • Vanek goes to a team making the playoffs. Ha-ha!

      No team gets short changed waiting for the music to stop.

      I would wager the market is already set & minor tweaking will be done on what’s on the table currently.

      GM’s have had months to get a handle on the situation. The biggest issue in play for me really is who’s selling? If NYR is selling that’s the 1st team in the race to pull the plug potentially.

      I assume Flo, Det, Mon, Ott & Buf are all sellers in the East & Chi, Edm, Van & Arz in the West, should all be selling. What are the other teams on the bubble going to do, NYR has sort of announced their intentions but what about the other metro teams fighting for their playoff lives. NJ, Clb, Phi, Car & NYI only room for 3 of those 5 teams or it’s even tighter in the west with 6 teams battling for 2 spots as opposed to 5 for 3 in the East.

    • I actually dont see Vanke moved ..as I dont think there will be any takers.

      All of todays discussions have been “great” on the VALUE of the draft and picks and prospects for older the hump guys..
      re tooling and what is a valuable asset…
      I think the movie has been scene (lol) too many times on Vanek in the past and I say there are no takers …look at all the amazing players who came in later rounds of the 3rd 4th 5th 6h round that turned out be steals and star players

      http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1219220-nhl-draft-the-25-biggest-steals-in-nhl-draft-history

      Most of the league is trying to get younger faster and more skilled…I think this year out of many most GMs may value a later round pick that could be a steal of the century rather than waste it on Vanek this time.

      All the talk here is about how Nash is a NON playoff performer and he isn’t worth too much to a contender..if that’s the case this guy falls well down the ladder in that list as well…A BUST !!

      Unless a team has some sort of serious injury to a top 6 player they will have hard time covering…that will be the only team I see taking this player…and a long shot maybe the Devils just to see if he can contribute to a team that gets in on the razors edge to give a goal here or there….4th rounder at best IMO or prospect that the organization is going to quit on long term and a project for the Canucks

      • I would be shocked if Vanek doesn’t move even if Van wants him back. Bring him back again as a UFA Ala Winnik in Tor, they moved him 2 years in a row at the trade deadline.

        All just a question of cost for me. If he can be had for a 3rd I’m all in, a 2nd I would probably gamble if a team needing insurance.

    • I see Vanek going to Toronto and bombing. It’s just a prediction but on think on tdl day they originally intend on staying put but see every other contender get better and panic for vanek.

      • Vanek will go somewhere but not Toronto. BTW he’s had a good year so far.

  16. Never had a problem with trading away Stepan and he was my 2nd favorite on the team. Stepan was a NO SHOW in the MTL series and you cannot pay 6.5 per for that top of production. It was not only that he had no offensive punch…….he was invisible in that series on both ends. He looks overtly lethargic. Shattenkirik’s contract basically off- sets Stepan’s and the NYR needed a right hand defenseman with offensive upside.

    The Smith signing is what I never understood bc they knew this off season Skjei was up for a pay raise and the following season MacTruck would be as well. They could have rode out Girardi another season with sheltered minutes regardless of the Shatts signing. Then worse case buy out Girardi next summer when they renew Mac considering they new Nash would be off the books this summer upcoming.

    Sather gave Stepan, Staal and Girardi their contracts, so I rather NOT have him behind the wheel again. He provides good insight but, outside the Smith signing, I do like how Gorts is geared towards keeping picks going forward.

  17. If VAN is hesitant to give a long term deal to Gudbranson, what is his worth? Is VAN looking for another defenseman?

    to VAN: Nieves & Smith
    to NYR: Gudbranson

    ??

    NYR gets a right hand d-man to put next to Mac the rest of the season. Gudbranson is more stay at home and allows Mac to skate more

    Van gets a defenseman signed for 3 more years and a young prospect who can slot wing of center. Smith only makes a lil over $4m per. Beiega is a UFA this summer and DelZotto & Edler, Hutton are signed for only 1 more year. Hutton will be resigned, along with Stecher and Pouliot this summer I would summize.

    • Not another 💩💩💩Smith 💩💩💩 deal!

      You gotta let it go!

      He’s going nowhere soon!

    • Keep it up. I need my daily fix.

      • Smith for Cole?

      • DEAL!! Ya Smith trades are my entertainment LOL and dream. I have more coming =) but sadly not all teams would fit.

    • Swing & a miss but I admire your dedication. No room for either of these players in Van. Even if NYR ate 1/2 Smith’s salary.

      If rumours are to be believed there is a strong market for Gubranson as a rental but Van is still hoping to retain.

  18. Domi hasn’t played C all year. He has for some where in the last 12 to 17 games. He sits 3rd in TOI/GP at forward, 3rd in PP TOI/GP for all players 2nd for forwards. That’s 1st line icetime & PP time. His shooting % is horrendous 2.8%, last season was 8.3%, his rookie year 11.5%.

    Oddly enough his shooting rate is up this season to 2 shots per game from 1.83 last season & 1.92 in his rookie year.

    The odds favor Domi having a far better final 1/3rd to the season but playing C with Cousins on his left & Fisher on his right may preclude such from happening no slight to Fisher but Cousins isn’t going to help his offense #’s much.

    I don’t see Domi moved & I’m at a complete loss to explain what Tocchet is doing in Arz.

  19. Krejci Bergeron Spooner Backes Carlo (all 2nd round picks) Marchand Chara 3rd round picks
    My point is there is some good value to be had in 2nd and 3rd round picks. The Bruins are lead by them.

    • There’s that name again – Patrice Bergeron. What a pro he is. Any kids who want to know how to play the game just need to watch him whenever he’s on the ice.

      • Agreed. Scary to think we almost lost this wonderful career ~10 years ago on that cheap shot into the boards concussion.

  20. TO doesn’t need Vanek. If they cant make a hockey trade don’t make one. I would have no problem with them moving any combination of Bozak, Komo, Goat, Martin, Moore, Lievo, Soshnikov, Polak, Marincin, Pickard, and/or prospects to obtain the assets to put the final touches on the roster at the draft to ensure they are contenders next year. Of course not all of these guys, probably only a couple, will go nor are all of them worth a lot but getting an experienced top two right-handed defenseman is the ultimate goal for next year.

    Anything above getting in the playoffs for experience is a bonus this year.

    Next year the top three starting centers are Matthews, Nylander, and Kadri which is pretty good with Marleau around in case of an injury. The fourth guy might be Altonen.