NHL Rumor Mill – May 1, 2018

by | May 1, 2018 | Rumors | 71 comments

Latest on the Montreal Canadiens, Vancouver Canucks and Columbus Blue Jackets in your NHL rumor mill.

SHOULD THE CANADIENS TRADE THE THIRD-OVERALL PICK?

MONTREAL GAZETTE: Pat Hickey suggests trading the third-overall pick in the 2018 NHL Draft in a package deal might be the best way for the Montreal Canadiens to bring in much-needed depth at center. Hickey notes the club has had “underwhelming” results with their first-round selections in recent years, with only Carey Price, Max Pacioretty and P.K. Subban becoming bona fide NHL stars in Montreal.

Hickey notes the difficulty in wooing New York Islanders center John Tavares via free agency and the lack of depth among this summer’s UFA centers. He believes a trade is the best option to bring in a scoring center, perhaps even by packaging Pacioretty with that draft pick.

Should the Montreal Canadiens package Max Pacioretty with their 2018 first-round pick for a top-line center? (Photo via NHL Images)

SPECTOR’S NOTE: With that third-overall pick, the Canadiens are sure to get a high-quality prospect with the potential to blossom into an NHL star. However, the top prospects expected to be available by the time the Habs step to the podium  to make their selection are wingers such as the Halifax Mooseheads’ Filip Zadina or Boston University’s Brady Tkachuk. They wont fill the void at center. I’m sure general manager Marc Bergevin will explore his options, including perhaps packaging that pick in a deal for a center.

The problem, of course, is finding the right deal. There’s speculation Buffalo Sabres center Ryan O’Reilly might be available. Edmonton Oilers center Ryan Nugent-Hopkins frequently surfaced in the trade-rumor mill over the past two years but Oilers GM Peter Chiarelli insists RNH won’t be dealt. The Canadiens were linked to Minnesota Wild forward Charlie Coyle, who can play center and wing, before the trade deadline. However, he’s not worth a third-overall selection. 

SHORT-TERM CENTER TARGETS FOR THE CANUCKS

THE ATHLETIC: Mike Halford reports the Vancouver Canucks could be busy attempting to shore up their depth at center this summer. “Vancouver will need someone that can drive things offensively, be responsible defensively and provide veteran leadership and insulation while continuing to build a “competitive environment,” writes Halford. He also believes they don’t want to be saddled with an onerous contract.

Free-agent options could include Toronto’s Tyler Bozak, Philadelphia’s Valtteri Filppula, Boston’s Riley Nash, Carolina’s Derek Ryan or Swedish forward Par Lindholm. Halford also suggests the Canucks use their salary-cap space to their advantage by acquiring Jason Spezza from the Dallas Stars.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: All would be reasonable short-term pickups for the Canucks. In Spezza’s case, they could also probably pry a decent draft pick or prospect away from the Stars, who could be keen to shed his $7.5-million salary-cap hit. He’s also got just one year left on his contract, which wouldn’t handcuff the Canucks beyond next season. Of course, that depends upon whether Spezza is willing to accept a trade to Vancouver. Cap Friendly indicates he’s got a 10-team “no-trade” list. 

LATEST ON THE BLUE JACKETS

THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH: Michael Arace expects the Blue Jackets will stick with centers Pierre-Luc Dubois, Alexander Wennberg, Nick Foligno and Brandon Dubinsky next season. He believes it would be too expensive to land New York Islanders center John Tavares if he tests the free-agent market and doubts Blue Jackets GM Jarmo Kekalainen will dabble too much in the UFA market. Kekalainen could rely on a bounce-back performance by Dubinsky and continued improvement by Dubois and Wennberg. 

Arace expects Thomas Vanek, Jack Johnson and perhaps Matt Calvert will depart via free agency but thinks the Jackets will try to re-sign defenseman Ian Cole. Restricted free agents Boone Jenner, Ryan Murray and Oliver Bjorkstrand should be re-signed. He notes Kekalainen faces big decisions with winger Artemi Panarin and goaltender Sergei Bobrovsky, who are both eligible next summer for UFA status.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: Kekalainen could explore the trade market for a center this summer but I concur with Arace that he could stand pat with his current centers and hope for improvement next season. There’s questions about Jenner’s future after the drop-off in his offensive production but I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s re-signed.

I also expect Panarin and Bobrovsky will be re-upped this summer. Both are too valuable to be allowed to depart via free agency. Yes, it’ll cost a lot to keep them but letting either guy walk away next summer could be a significant setback for the Jackets’ Cup contention hopes. 

 








71 Comments

  1. I don’t believe the stars will have to pay to move spezza wsith how weak the center market is. I think they will have to hold salary, but the stars should get a nominal return back. mid round pick or c prospect.

    • I’m not even convinced Dal will move Spezza this summer. What ailed Spezza this year was Hitchcock & that ship sailed. He wore out his welcome with that group & the fans almost immediately. They went from being an exciting team to watch play to a defensive team with 1 scoring line. Totally the wrong coach for the personal.

      Nill made several mistakes this summer. Hiring Hitchcock & signing Hanzal. Neither made sense & it cost Dallas, now they are stuck with Hanzal unless they can find a buyer. All he did was block Faksa & push Spezza to limbo land in Hitchcock’s system.

      This roster is a bit of a mess at present, has some great pieces but Nill’s choices last summer have them in a weird spot. Dallas’s #1 PP started to click when Hitcock finally relented & returned Spezza to it removing Shore.

      I think Dallas may hold onto Spezza to see if reuniting the lines pre Hitchcock with Janmark playing LW with Spezza works. Janmark & Spezza played great together before Janmark lost his 2nd season to injury.

      If out of the playoff picture at next seasons deadline then he gets sent packing. The issue though is who moves to the wing as Seguin, Spezza; Dallas’s best faceoff guy, Faksa & Hanzal are all natural C’s. Spezza isn’t suited to the 3rd line & Faksa’s growth is stunted if Hanzal pushes him to the 4th. Faksa has 2nd line potential if ever given the opportunity to see decent offensive minutes, especially on the PP. That said he is 1 of those big forwards 6’3″ that takes far longer to fully develop & grown into his body. I really like this player’s future. The type of 2 way C every team covets.

      Hanzal is guaranteed to miss at least 30 games a season now if not more. What a terrible signing & waste of money & a roster spot.

  2. There’s already some talk that Rangers are looking to move up in draft. Would Montreal move back to 9 if Rangers where to package Nemestikov or Spooner? Both can play center.

    • big drop for not established top 6 talent… so no.

    • I would be surprised if either player is moved. Both have far more offence than they have shown & aren’t specifically centres yes both have & can play C as required but ideally Namestnikov is n LW & Spooner a RW.

      NYR is in a great spot for what they need at #9. This roster is littered with young forwards & solid young forward coming in Andersson & Chytil. In the # 9 spot, they can most likely draft 1 of the 4 Dman going after Dahlin, Bouchard, Boqvist, Hughes or Dobson. In 2 or 3 years when Staal & Shattenkirk are moving on 1 of these Dman would be ready to start his sheltered role in the NHL.

      • There is the problem. Thin chance Boqvist or Hughes drop to 9. Maybe other 2 slide. With 3 picks in 1st rd, moving up makes sense. And most of the top D after Dahlen are of the smallish, puck moving breed. Rangers have accumulated plenty of them already. Also considering cap, I’m not sure Gorton wants to re sign all the rfa’s. IMO , biggest needs either in draft, trade, or FA are …1/ top pair, shutdown d man. Pure goal scorer. When was last time a Ranger had 30+? Outside of the top 3 forwards,I think Wahlstrom has that potential, but should be gone before 9

      • Pretty sure this is same reason they are showing interest in Kovy. Would be a fit now, while young guys develop

      • 1 of those 4 Dman & it’s a coin toss who goes 1st through 4th between them at present will be available at 9. Only 1 is really small Quinn 5’9″ but he has elite offensive skills, the others Boqvist 5’11”, Bouchard 6’2″ & Dobson 6’3″. Most Dman don’t make the NHL until at least 3 years after they are drafted, then take years to fully develop.

        Their current young D, Skjei is 24, 2 full NHL seasons, Poink 22 & Gilmour 24 both played 28 NHL games to date all this season, DeAngello 22, has 71 games of NHL experience spread over 2 seasons.

        Any of these Dman will time out perfectly down the road. Draft them send them back to JR or in Quinn’s case stay in college. No rush what so ever.

  3. While Montreal does need a center, I really don’t see any team offering “The Answer” this summer, and if they end up packaging the 3rd overall + for O’Reilly, the team will be a long time before they are really relevant. That move would smack of a team desperately trying to get in the playoffs by the skin of their teeth. It’s like the plan would be to just get in, and hope price turns in an otherworldly run to win a cup.

    • O’Reilly is no better than a 2nd line center, the Mike Peca of our time. Why would you trade the 3rd overall pick for him?

      • O’Reilly was tied for 24th in scoring for C’s in the NHL last season. He logs a ton of minutes in all situations & can kill penalties although not his primary role, playing against the other teams best line every night. He has been a great player for Buf. Achieving this playing on what has been the worst & lowest scoring team in the NHL his entire 3 seasons combined is amazing. It’s very easy for other teams to check Buffalo’s best offensive players, they have no depth. Check O’Reilly’s & Eichel’s line & Buf is done.

        Trading this player would be a huge mistake. I like his contract, it will expire when he’s 32 in 5 years not when he’s 35 or 36 like many contracts were seeing structured today. His cap hit of 7.5 with each passing year for what is really a solid B 2 way C after the elite group, the Begreron’s, Kopitar type players is going to become exceptional value.

        Having Eichel, O’Reilly & Mittlestadt in a few years might help get Buffalo out of being the worst & lowest scoring team in the NHL for what seems like forever.

    • That pretty much sums it up Danny. MTL needs to decide on a strategy, keep trying to compete for a cup or rebuild/retool or whatever term you want to use.
      In my mind they can’t compete for a cup today, just not enough difference makers on the roster. Price, Weber. Plus an almost barren prospect pipeline. Time to face the brutal truth IMO, not trade the 3rd overall pick for a quick fix. I doubt anyone is giving up a true 1C for a pick that “projects” to be a first line winger. MTL needs to accumulate more “projected” first line players, and they need quite a few.

      • Totally agree….
        Prime example , the Leafs , it took them 3-4 years , and a couple of awful seasons , but look at them now.

        Keep the pick , draft Zadina , use the four 2nd round picks to stock up on prospects ….trade Pacioretty for a prospect center and a 1st and another pick or prospect , hire Joel Bouchard to coach Laval , develop and build for 2 -3 years down the road .If Bergevin is even remotely thinking about trading the pick for a quick fix , then he has to go , this is giing to take time and patience, proper development , drafting , smart transactions for the long term , only then will Habs fans see better results

    • Montreal should keep the pick and trade all of their good players for 2020 first round picks. The absolute best thing that could happen to them is getting the number one pick in 2020. A French Canadian generational talent would be the biggest thing since Rocket Richard.

    • I don’t know that Montreal needs a full tear down, but they need a strategy. Price and Weber are still good, but no way you get full value in a trade because of their contracts. So maybe a re-tool around them, swapping out players with value for more youth.

      Montreal’s core will be whoever they select at #3, Drouin, Mete, Gallagher insulated by Weber and Price. I would suggest keeping Shaw since I don’t believe he has much trade value on his current deal, and you need someone to play. I think they need to give a lot of ice to guys like Sherbak, Hudon, Galchenyuk, De La Rose, and Lehokonen to really evaluate what they have, and move who they feel doesn’t have a longer term future with the team. Also, moving any veterans outside of that core if there is trade value there. Patches is the starting place. If Montreal can get another 1st and/or a prospect for Patches last year, it can speed things along. They should try and position themselves to take advantage of a few teams going into the expansion draft. Their core isn’t completely devoid of talent, but if they start handing out more long term contracts to guys entering their 30’s and move more youth for band aid solutions that don’t quite give them what they are looking for, they will be in a similar spot to LA only with less talent and no cups to hang their hat on.

      • Weber’s actual salary drops to 6 mil for the next 4 years, then 3 for 1 & the final 3 at 1. He has no NTC nor NMC.

        If & when Mon decides to trade Weber they can & doing so will be easy & the return significant.

        This roster is a mess. Geoff Molson sticking his nose into things hasn’t helped. Between him & the management team assembled, specifically Bergevin I have no idea what the plan is. This roster if trapped at present. Unwinding this mess will take years.

        You have Price, Webber, Drouin, Shaw, Gallagher, Petry & Alzner all locked into 3 + year deals. The defense is a mess, there is no scoring depth, the prospect cupboard is barren.

        Which direction is this club heading in? I don’t have a clue. It’s not good enough to make the playoffs, little help is coming.
        Draft the best player you can at 3, move Patches for the best package available, sign UFA’s if the right player at the right cost.

        Try to make trades that lend to something. Signing a what will be a 31-year-old goalie to start an 8-year deal kind of tells you where they think they want to go but behind that D & roster what you saw from Price last season is what you are going to get.

        Molson & Bergevin made this mess & I don’t think Bergevin is the right GM to get them out of it & Geoff Moulson needs to stop meddling.

        Based on what we see today & moving Patches for prospects & picks doesn’t make Mon better today they are a bottom 5 team in the NHL next season even with Price & Weber.

      • I don’t think Weber will be hard to move as such, but I don’t think he gets full value for his talent and position because of that contract.

        His play has declined since his prime, that is undeniable. He is starting to show some signs of wear, both because of recent injury history, but also he seemed to run out of steam last year as well. He will play a lot of that current contract, but won’t be able to deliver full value for it.

        Cap teams will be scared off by that hit, regardless of the cash savings. Non-Cap teams tend be more conservative in their offerings for players, so I don’t see maximizing value that way either.

        So I think they could move him, and still do so without retaining salary, but I don’t think he commands any more of a return than someone like Pacioretty, and while that would be a help, I can see Weber being a steadying influence on a team that is worth keeping around.

        If Montreal was in full tear down and rebuild mode, then it would still make sense, but I just don’t see anyway you get Weber’s full value for him because of that current contract. Personally, I would think he was worth more if he was signed for 3-4 years at $8.5M than his current contract, just in case he intends to play past his 36th birthday.

      • I’ll keep saying it until Geoff Molson reads this and they hire me as GM. If I’m the Habs, I:

        A.
        Trade Price (if he accepts) to Carolina for:
        Darling (Goalie, bad contract)
        Good young d-man (Hanifin? Slavin?)
        Young #2C (Rask? Lindholm?)

        Carolina gets WAY better in the only position they’re weak in and can easily replace a lost young player with the #2 pick. Habs get deeper, more flexible on contract and a bad goalie… which they don’t care about as they rebuild.

        B.
        Trade Pacioretty & whatever needed (would be signficant but wouldn’t be a TONNE) for Toffoli

        C.
        Draft Tkachuk at #3 as your LW


        Habs then have a top 6 including Drouin, Galchenyuk, Toffoli, Tkachuk, Gallagher, Byron, Lindholm.

        They have a bottom 6 including Danault, Tkachuk (for a year or two), Lehkonen, Scherbak, De La Rose, Hudon, Shaw, Deslauriers, and other mix-and-match players while Scherbak, Lehkonen, Hudon & Tkachuk hopefully play their way into top six roles.

        D = Weber, Mete, Slavin, Reilly, Petry, Alzner (untradeable) & other nonsense.

        G = Darling


        This is NOT a good hockey team. However, this would be a team that would look forward, have some young talent and *might* be decent in 3 years.

        However, the current roster is bad and provides no hope to fans. This is a better way forward.

        Thoughts?

      • No. Car needs centers and none are nhl ready in this draft. Its also asking for too much to unload an albatross contract. Darling back the other way is helpful but goalies just don’t move for high returns and the contract is scary

      • No way Carolina makes that deal until Price can prove he can play a whole season without getting injured. Plus that’s a lot to give up in the first place.

        Montreal NEEDS to draft Alex Lafreniere in 2020(although I hope Pittsburgh somehow figures a way to.) A 15 year old kid who had 80 points in 60 games in the Q, you know who the last 15 year old to tear up the Q was? I’ll give you a hint he played for the same team.

      • @ PADDY

        If DALLAS is willing to trade Spezza for Petry…mtl gets center for 1 yr and clears long term cap. DAL gets a D under contract to replace Hamhuis…. perhaps an option?

        or

        Weber & A.Shaw to DAL for Spezza, Heikennan plus a 1st and 2nd? Gives DAL a stud on the backend and gritty bottom 6 to replace Roussell and Spezza. MTL gets center for 1 yr and clears weber & Shaw’s cap and gets picks to rebuild…….perhaps an option?

        Perhaps sending Patches to BUF for O’Reilly to gain center who is good at both ends as a pure hockey trade….perhaps an option

        if MTL gets Spezza ( for 1 yr even) and O’Reilly….they have 2 centers who can each take 1 of Drouin and the other Galchenyuk to spread some offense.

        Patches no longer happy there. Weber is past the prime time for MTL’s current needs…. and no need to keep Shaw’s cap for any more term.

        I would even offer WSH in the summer Alzner for Orpik and clear out more cap space…. Orpik can help Mete.

  4. Namestikov and their 9th is fair for 3 rd overall. As stated all wingers 2-4 and then a lot of defence. I would make that trade not sure the Rangers would.

    • Funny, I’m a Ranger fan… I don’t see Montreal doing it. I think they’d be crazy to trade that pick to anyone. Better off taking a young stud and trading Patches

      • But I’d love to see Zadina with Chytil for years to come!

    • I’d rather not see NY make that trade. NY has plenty up front. Andersson, Chytl, Vesey, Kreider , Zuccarello, Hayes, Zibanejad, Fast, Namestikov, Spooner, etc.

      I like the young d they’ve been stockpiling. But they are young! I’d like to see them be given more time to develop rather than throwing them into the fire. NY should be concentrating on a veteran defenseman or 2. Not forwards or more defensive prospects that are not NHL ready.

      • NY4..I don’t get your comment. We are going to draft somebody. You don’t think we need a forward or dman?Giving up Nemestikov, who is rfa and maybe we don’t want to sign… drafting at 3 instead of 9, you possibly get a future star, instead of the huge collection of avg to above avg forwards we now have

      • “Possibly ” or Possibly the next Yak! Some of these players I mentioned haven’t even sniffed full potential yet. I’m not sure how you can label them average or above average?

        Playing devils advocate… if Namestikov is “average” and the 3rd overall is “possibly ” great, why on earth is Montreal making that trade exactly?

        Doesn’t Montreal have a lot of average players already?

      • I’m just going by what I read. Gorton has hinted about moving up. As I stated above, I don’t see Montreal doing it. Maybe Ottowa or Arizona… I fully expect Gorton to make some deals before and after draft. Don’t see him using all his picks… totally makes sense to use some in a package for a young, established player.

      • I agree draft 1 of the 4 Dman after Dahlin that will be available at 9, Bouchard, Boqvist, Quinn or Dobson. By the time Shattenkirk & Staal are gone that player will be ready to start a sheltered role in the NHL.

  5. Rangers have a ton of assets. Would make sense to move up. General consensus is there’s a big drop off from top of draft. Still plenty of assets to get a top D man if available. Still think they’ll look to move Zuc this summer. Personally, I’m hoping we go after either Trouba or Hamilton if they’re available. I agree a top pair right D should be a priority.

    • Troubadour and Hamilton…. both 9th overall picks!

      • Oops Trouba !

      • hehe…sometimes auto-correct is awesome. I would love to see George Strait manning the blue line somewhere!

        https://youtu.be/9jJf-p6RYvo

      • Hamilton isn’t going anywhere. A bit risky in his own zone at times but his offense is pretty good, and he is still young. Trouba on the other hand could probably be had as hes always had contract issues in Winnepeg and if rumours are correct wants to go home to the U.S.A. His offense is not great and his defense isnt super either. IMHO I think he is way over-rated. The Jets actually have a few more d-men knocking on the door so I think the Rangers chances of getting him are pretty good. I hope they do just so they can add him to their collection.

      • Yeah, I’m hoping his situation doesn’t work out there. Kind of following the path Drouin went .. he’d be a good fit on Rangers. Would allow Shatty to play 2nd pair minutes and PP. Trouba’s other concern was being behind Buff and Myers. Here he’d definately be top pair. There was a lot of buzz in Win surrounding a trade for Zuc at deadline. Hopefully they revisit. They ended up with Stastny, but he’ll be gone after season

    • For the most part, I sitting on my hands until the Trouba situation is resolved 1 way or the other.

      I assume Zuccarello will be retained until the trade deadline & depending upon what plays out with NYR they could bounce back very quickly, even being back in the playoff race next season.

      Zuccarello will be 32 when his next contract kicks in so unless he’s willing to take a home team discount for no more than 4 years I move on. If the right offer exists this summer worth considering but I’m not looking to move up in the draft. Happy with 9 & the player selected there, ideally a Dman.

      • I don’t think they wait on Zuc. His value won’t go up any. Plus moving his 4.5 cap hit. I also am waiting to see what happens with Trouba and also what the Flames offseason plan is…. besides that, I think Gorton waiting like others to see if Tavares hits FA.. hell, with so many picks I might even invest a 3rd rounder to awhile rights to JT

      • You’re not paying attention. Rangers will be in playoffs next year. That has no bearing on Zucharello. Decision was made at this years deadline to move older guys that aren’t in future plans. Actually started last year with Stepan. I don’t see Rangers keeping Zuc after season and I fully expect him to get dealt in summer. It’s not a matter of “let’s see where we are at deadline” as far as moving up at draft, it’s a possibility. Sure, they might get a decent guy at 9, but consensus seems to be there’s a big drop off after 6-7 picks. Again, just going by what I read. Wouldn’t surprise me if Gorton works another deal with Coyotes

  6. Carolina now has the Thrasher management team that was in place just before they became the Jets. Carolina fans that wanted major changes, they got it, now the question is will they may become part of it.

    • & those 2 together were so successful together in Atlanta. I don’t want to disparage Dudley as I actually like him but Waddell is a dinosaur & he should have gone the way they did long ago.

  7. It wouldn’t make sense for the Oilers to trade RNH straight up for Zadina.

    In a cap perspective it might, but the Habs would have to take back dead salary (Lucic if he waived his NMC)

    Montreal should stock pile prospects, and before the next expansion draft use them to establish a roster. It’d be another year on the rebuild.

    • Lol, Lucic in Montreal. I’d pay to see that

    • I think you got that backwards. Montreal would be getting RNH and his 6.5 cap hit. Oilers would have to take back salary.

      • That narrative is dead now after rnh season. Try dusting it off again if he struggles next year

    • Twin, I’ve wondered the same thing. IF the Oil retaned salary on Lucic, included RNH and their 1st rnd pick would they take a package of the No 3, Patches and Lindgren?

      Lucic and Gally are friends. Lindgren can be replaced by Niemi in the short term and McNivven in the long term. a good Defenseman could still be available at 10.We need a center. The Oil can replace RNH with Draisaitl, Patches has more speed to keep up with McDavid and they get a winger at three that could fit in on the other wing. Lindgren could be the young goalie that can both fill in for and push Talbot. Plus the Oil ad by subtracting Lucic’s salary.
      If Caralina passes on Svechnikov, Mtl should keep the pick.
      The suggested trade for O’Reilly won’t work for Mtl because Mtl needs a first round pick and no way the Sabres pass on Dahlen!!!!

  8. What the habs need is a Shanaplan. Unfortunately I don’t think habs fans have the patience or the management in place with the sack to accomplish the mission. I really do hope that they trade the 3rd overall pick, it would help ensure they stay in the same position that they are in now for another extra year.
    If you look at their prospects coming up it bewilders me as to why they haven’t fired all their scouts and developmental staff. The Laval Rocket were pathetic. I saw junior teams that could beat them easily.
    And as far as top notch UFA,s signing in Montreal; forget it. Players in Florida making half as much take home the same as they do in Quebec. A guy like Tavares would have to make 13 or more mil a year.
    On second thought Montreal, dont make any changes, I like you just the way you are right now.

    • I wouldn’t blame the fans, that was the consensus in Toronto for far too long, that the fans wouldn’t accept a rebuild. So instead they got years of missing the playoffs without future optimism. Way better. Then when they did, fans openly accepted it.

      Montreal could be similar, maybe some react negatively, but if that’s what It takes to become a consistent threat, make the hard call and start.

      I do agree that current management may not be set up for it, and the fact that the owners have so thoroughly thrown their full support behind Bergevin is just mind blowing. Initially my fear was the Bergevin would continue as is, because he was pitching his moves as making them into a contender, so to pitch a rebuild after giving up younger assets is too bold, and he is going to take job security over anything else. Now he has come out and said that locker room attitude (his priority for change) is what sunk the team last year from game one, but somehow manages to have a job. It’s like hiring him to put out a fire that he admits he threw gas on, but then saying, ok want another go at that now blazing inferno? He likely thinks that the gas itself isn’t the problem so he will try a new batch from a different station.

      • I’m still trying to work through your analogy….

      • Ya the shanaplan lol the leafs haven’t won anything even a playoff series and they have built just like the oilers skilled soft forwards and no defense. The leafs won’t be a contender for yrs if they don’t draft defensive dmen, even liljgren should be a forward not dmen he’s awful in his own end

      • Another tough day trolling I see bb. Man you spend a lot of time following the leafs, the only way you`d know how good their players are, is by going to the Marlies games. Gawd bb your a leafs fan. Haha after all this time you`re following the Leafs

      • I know I know yogi truth hurts! Keep dreaming tho! It’s got you through a lot of yrs…….a lot lol

      • You must hate the plekanac trade eh yogi? I remember you saying Rychel was the next coming of cam Neely! Lol leaf fans are the best to listen it’s amazing how little they really know about hockey with the constant losing their franchise has endured

  9. It’s possible the Canuck’s may bring in a C but not necessarily, Horvat, Sutter, Gagner, Granlund, Gaunce & Gaudette are or can all play C.

    Benning came out the other day & said Petterson will start on the wing & Dahlen is also a C.

    I assume Vancouver’s line up next season will look something like this. I’m factoring in waivers as Goldobin can’t be sent down to the AHL now without having to clear & Virtanen is only 20 games from losing his waiver eligibility. Leipsic looked good on the Canucks, I’m hoping he finally gets a real chance in the top 9 to see what he can do at this level.

    Baertschi, Horvat, Boeser.
    Petersson, Sutter, Granlund.
    Leipsic, Gagner, Eriksson.
    Dahlen, Gaudette, Virtanen.

    As always move wingers around as you wish. If a C is brought in & Bozak would actually be a good fit at the #2 spot in this format pushing Sutter to the #3 spot & Gagner back to RW, Granlund would then have to move to LW with someone being sent to the minors to accommodate the move at least till injuries hit. The only waiver exempt option being Dahlen although Virtanen doesn’t have to clear waivers yet nor Pettersson although I would be surprised if he isn’t playing in some capacity in the NHL next season.

  10. Would the Rangers 3 #1’s be enough to get the overall #1 from Buffalo?

    • If the Rangers had #2,#3, and #4 it might be closer, but even then it’s probably no.

      Dahlin is supposed to be the most talented defensemen ever drafted (at the time of the draft), and he hasn’t disappointed on any stage really. The issue with him would only be if he doesn’t develop at all, but given he is an 18 year old who is probably top 4 NHL caliber right now, he’s as safe bet you can find to get a legit top pairing D from the draft.

      • Buffalo is like the Cleveland Browns of Hockey. Maybe they trade the pick or draft someone else.

      • Hold the phone. Dahlin is an amazing prospect but he is benefiting from there being no top center prospects. Easy there champ

  11. I like Pacioretty and the third overall to the Oilers for Draisaytl and the tenth overall. The Habs get a big centre, the Oilers get a sniper to play with McDavid and both stay in the top 10 of the draft.

    • If the Oilers were willing to move Draistl I don’t think there is any way 10th will be included. Draistl’s value vastly trumps Pacthes right now. It’s not remotely close in any regard.

      Centers are more valued then wingers
      Draistl is younger
      Draistl is under contract for 7 more years
      You could also argue that Draistl is already better than Patches is at his position.

      Honestly, I don’t think Patches and the 3rd overall gets you Draistl, it’s probably only enough to not get hung up on immediately.

      • Danny,

        Don’t underestimate Chiarelli’s ability to trade away budding young talent for far less than market value. (Think Seguin).

        Not saying a trade of Draisaitl should, or will, happen; I just want to make sure we aren’t giving PC too much credit.

      • Double minor ,
        Let’s also remember while in Boston where he made that trade he compiled a 386-233-85 record including a 41-27-14 in his final season following 8 straight playoff appearances , a cup back to Boston for the first time in 39 years and a second finals run . Did he negatively impact the future ? I haven’t seen Boston in much turmoil ? And the key pieces to this years team ? Rask , brought in by Chiarelli for raycroft , Chara ? Brought in and signed long by chilly , pastranak ? Drafted him , Marchand? Drafted him , Bergeron ? Signed long term . Also drafted grezlyk heinen and spooner . What exactly about Pete’s time in Boston was bad ? Everyone likes to dwell on the seguin trade or this move ? How were the results ? Both at the time and future for Boston ? And in Edmonton , yes he got mcdavid , also made several moves to change that team going from the basement to the 2nd round and a gm of the year nod , the narrative that mcdavid did that alone has been demolished . Yes he has made some questionable moves but far too early to judge his time with the oilers yet . Like Tampa or Winnipeg , Edmonton could bounce back with the right tweaks and most of his picks aren’t even playing yet.

    • Slick62, Buffalo has a different GM now, a bright guy who learned the ropes in Pittsburgh. Do not expect the Sabres to be the same old franchise. They hit the jackpot at the draft lottery and have started on the road to respectability. If the owner will let his GM do the job, they will be just fine.

      • For the fans sake, I hope you’re right. I’m rooting for Browns too! Lol

  12. How does everyone else feel about McDavid not being up for the Hart? I know the ballot is just comprised of who got the most votes, but that pesky “Most valuable to his team” nonsense is really the only reason he didn’t finish top 3. That isn’t to take away from the finalists, or even someone like Mackinnon or Hall winning it, as both would be deserving, but McDavid finished the year with the best points per 60, most points, and most 5 on 5 points by an insanely wide margin. So the fact that he didn’t finish top 3 just seems wacky.

    The most valuable to his team statement is so insanely subjective. The way a lot of people interpret it is makes it sound like only the teams that finish from 7-16th in the league can really have the Hart Trophy candidate. Anyone not in the playoffs isn’t valuable, and guys on the best teams aren’t as valuable because their teams would likely be ok without them.

    If you look at value in terms of who added the most wins to their team, you can probably make the Argument that McDavid still did, it’s just his team was so bad, that he just stopped them from finishing last.

    Every sport has an MVP award, but Hockey seems to get caught up on “to his team” so much that it seems silly. 30 goals 100pts is good enough when his team is good too, but 40 goals 108pts when his team played worse, showing he actually stepped up his game, is somehow less worthy?

    • That’s what the Ted Lindsay award is for.

  13. Islanders really got shafted by Flames winning last game of season… Otherwise they would be picking 2nd overall where Carolina is… Montreal is probably better off trading the 3rd overall if they can get a real nice package… Since often after 1/2 it starts to trail off in drafts… Like Stamkos/Drew Doughty was a nice return… Even this year the two teams picking 1/2 made the playoffs…

    Shame Carolina fired Francis who would have had 2nd pick… I hope he heads to Seattle where he would make a nice GM… Tatar was healthy scratch only playing 2 games for Vegas until last night… That is a great return for a bum they traded 1st/2nd/3rd rounder for… NOw they have a player who is a bigger waste of salary than Dustin Brown congrats on McPhee on his Erat/Forsberg 2.0 deal :). I was the first to slam that deal, odd how the coach of the year agreed w/ me by benching him until last game ;). Vegas got shafted on bogus goalie interference call in OT then NHL shafts them on letting Sharks goal count that was much more blatant ;). I think both goals should have counted to be fair/consistent though the Sharks was murkier by far… Since Vegas had Dillon make contact while the goalie did the old butt end of stick trick to slow him down… So it was probably the worst call I’ve seen in an OT game to destroy a goal since Vegas became a Franchise ;).

  14. would MTL be interested in Hanzal or Spezza from Dallas say for Andrew Shaw? Would Dallas be interested?

  15. If I was Montreal I would offer the #3 pick, Gallagher, and Patches for both the Islanders 2018 first round picks, a 2018 second, a 2019 second round pick, and a prospect or roster player. There are a lot of centers and defensemen in the draft early to choose from. There are even a few players from the Q for consideration.

    Habs need to get some real good center prospects while the Islanders need to prove to Taveres they can compete next year.

    • Glad your not the GM to do that deal.. Gallagher alone is worth the two first this year.. no one would deal the 3 rd overal for the 10th and 11th pucks.. then trading Pacs for a 2nd ??? Horrible trade..

  16. I can see the Oilers trading Nuge to Montreal for their pick only if Dahlin is still available by then.