NHL Rumor Mill – June 21, 2018

by | Jun 21, 2018 | Rumors | 85 comments

The latest on Erik Karlsson, Ryan O’Reilly, Phil Kessel, Dougie Hamilton, Ilya Kovalchuk and more in your NHL rumor mill.


TSN: Darren Dreger reports Ottawa Senators general manager Pierre Dorion is in “listening mode” regarding trade offers for defenseman Erik Karlsson, but he believes at some point a team (Vegas Golden Knights? Somebody else?) will step up with an offer too good to resist.

THE ATHLETIC: Joe Smith wonders if the Tampa Bay Lightning could take another run at landing Karlsson. Lightning GM Steve Yzerman attempted to acquire the Senators superstar at the February trade deadline but found the asking price too expensive. Less costly trade options could include Vancouver’s Chris Tanev, Carolina’s Justin Faulk and Winnipeg’s Jacob Trouba.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: The Senators could also again attempt to package high-salaried ($7.25 million annual cap hit) winger Bobby Ryan, who has four seasons remaining on his contract, with Karlsson. Dorion will set a high ask again, though interested clubs will likely want the opportunity to speak with Karlsson about a contract extension. If the blueliner’s unwilling to do that, the Sens GM could have a difficult time finding the right offer.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Yzerman revisits his interest in Karlsson. He has the depth in assets to tempt Dorion but I question if he could afford to keep him long-term. Karlsson will likely seek over $10 million annually on his next contract, which could prove steep for Yzerman, especially when he’s got Nikita Kucherov also due for a big raise. I also don’t see him agreeing to take on Ryan’s contract.


TSN: Pierre LeBrun believes it’s the Buffalo Sabres intention to trade center Ryan O’Reilly in the next two weeks, though they’re quite happen to retain him for next season if they don’t find a suitable offer. O’Reilly’s getting a $7.5 million signing bonus on July 1 and some interested parties (Carolina Hurricanes) would prefer to pursue a deal after that, but the Sabres are indicating they’ll want more in return if they have to pay that bonus.

Others, like the Montreal Canadiens, aren’t concerned about the bonus. The sticking point for the Habs, however, is the Sabres could want the third overall pick in this year’s draft. LeBrun’s also heard the St. Louis Blues and Philadelphia Flyers have expressed interest in O’Reilly.

FRS HOCKEY: Chris Nichols cites Darren Dreger sharing his thoughts on Sabres’ Sam Reinhart and Rasmus Ristolainen during an appearance yesterday on Buffalo’s WGR 550. He said he hasn’t heard anything really new on the two young players, though he believes there’s a strong market for Ristolainen. He’s heard the Anaheim Ducks have interest and would be surprised if the Edmonton Oilers haven’t called. GM Jason Botterill isn’t going to move Ristolainen unless he’s got a winning return.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: Sabres GM Jason Botterill can take his time gauging interest in O’Reilly. He doesn’t have to move him this summer. No surprise he wants that third overall pick from the Canadiens. I’d like to think GM Marc Bergevin doesn’t want to move it, even for O’Reilly, but given his recent history for surprising moves we probably can’t rule it out.

I don’t doubt Botterill is listening to offers for Ristolainen but I think it would be a mistake to give up on this kid. It’s not his fault his play struggled last season because of the club’s culture of losing. It’s up to Botterill and head coach Phil Housley to change that. 

Arizona Coyotes GM John Chayka denies report linking his club to Pittsburgh Penguins winger Phil Kessel (Photo via NHL Images)


ARIZONA SPORTS: Matt Layman reports Coyotes GM John Chayka disputed a report yesterday in The Athletic claiming his club was the preferred trade destination for Pittsburgh Penguins winger Phil Kessel, but the Coyotes informed the Penguins that deal wouldn’t happen for financial reasons. 

“I think it’s terrible reporting,” Chayka said. “It’s inaccurate across the board from start to finish. I don’t know where some things come up. I’m the one having trade discussions, those discussions with the Penguins haven’t occurred. Unless someone else is making calls that I don’t know about, I’m not sure where his information’s coming from.”

TRIBLIVE.COM: Jonathan Bombulie reports a glut of wingers believed available in this summer’s trade market could complicate any potential efforts by the Penguins to move Kessel. “Montreal’s Max Pacioretty, Columbus’ Artemi Panarin and Carolina’s Jeff Skinner have been among a half-dozen big-time scoring wingers rumored to be on the trade market,” writes Bombulie, who also noted left wing Ilya Kovalchuk is available via free agency. 

POST-GAZETTE.COM: Jason Mackey reports multiple sources claim the Penguins have discussed the possibility of signing Columbus Blue Jackets pending UFA defenseman Jack Johnson. Mackey notes Johnson is good friends with Penguins captain Sidney Crosby and it’s believed Crosby would like Johnson to consider joining the Penguins. General manager Jim Rutherford also drafted Johnson in 2005 when he was GM of the Carolina Hurricanes. Signing Johnson, however, could mean shedding some salary, with “the list of possibilities there includes Matt Hunwick ($2.25 million), Conor Sheary ($3 million) and Carl Hagelin ($4 million).”

SPECTOR’S NOTE: Rutherford has continually said he’s not shopping Kessel. Doesn’t mean he won’t listen to offers but if we take him at his word he’s not calling around looking for suitors. As for Johnson, Mackey also notes the Penguins have a good history of rehabbing defensemen, from Sergei Gonchar to Justin Schultz to Jamie Oleksiak, so perhaps Johnson could be a good fit as well. 


TSN: Ryan Rishaug noted Carolina Hurricanes forward Elias Lindholm, 23,  needs a new contract and wondered what the future holds for him. LeBrun said that’s still to be determined. While left wing Jeff Skinner remains the most likely to be traded, as well as defenseman Justin Faulk, Lindholm is a dynamic young player who’s garnered a lot of interest.

The Calgary Flames are rumored to have interest, with other names such as Flames blueliner Dougie Hamilton and Hurricanes rearguard Noah Hanifin also being bandied about, though it remains to be seen if those discussions go to the next level. LeBrun said the Hurricanes haven’t given up trying to re-sign Lindholm. Dreger noted the Flames need more scoring up front and Hamilton’s name has come up in the rumor mill.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: Interesting to hear Lindholm’s name surfacing in the rumor mill. While the Hurricanes are reportedly willing to entertain offers on everyone except Sebastian Aho, Lindholm would appear to be one worth retaining. Carolina GM Don Waddell could be listening but it’ll take a significant offer to convince him to part with Lindholm.

As for Hamilton, he would make a tempting trade chip to bring in a scoring forward, though the Flames would be giving up offense from the blueline by moving him. His name has frequently surfaced in media trade chatter but I still have my doubts that they’ll move him. 


TSN: Darren Dreger believes the top contenders for free-agent winger Ilya Kovalchuk include the Vegas Golden Knights, Boston Bruins, Los Angeles Kings and San Jose Sharks. It seems likely Kovalchuk could make a decision before July 1 but he might be best suited to wait until New York Islanders center John Tavares makes his decision, as the Russian winger could be a suitable “Plan B” for clubs that miss out on Tavares.



  1. Jack Johnson is a left handed shot and a downgrade from Dumoulin, Maatta, and Oleksiak. There is no room for him on the Penguins. The Pens need a young RHD that is on an entry level or bridge contract. Teams that might have one available are Calgary, Carolina, and Boston to name a few. They do not need to trade Kessel just because the media insists they need something to write about every day. The Penguins have no other organizational needs except maybe defensive depth for WBS. Come on Jim let’s get these RFAs signed and maybe move Haglen to be able to afford it.

    • Oleksiak prefers to play the right side.

      Johnson would be a good fit with Schultz, essentially playing the Ian Cole role, but only at the right price.

      Dumoulin Letang
      Johnson Schultz
      Maatta Oleksiak

      That’s a nice group.

      • If he signed for the cost of a number 5 d man I’d take Johnson. If he costs more than 3 a year pass

      • Mg agreed I think Jack Johnson could add a lot to the depth to the pens D!

        i would prefer Marco Scandella OF Buffalo in a trade… had heard the pens kicked the tires there..A Connor Sheary &Tristan Jarry package..

      • Johnson was an offensive specialist until Torts removed that role, getting Jones & then drafting Werenski simply forcing that issue. Schultz has improved significantly defensively as virtually all Dman do as they approach full development, in or around 400 NHL regular season games; he has now played 407, but having 2 Dman Johnson & Schultz that think offence 1st isn’t a good pairing for me.

        Johnson will get way more term & money than Pit can afford. I assume he gets 3 to 5 years at or near 4. Less term more money.

      • I liked Oleksiak with Shultz last year actually, that was the pairing in the playoffs. It doesn’t matter if Oleksiak likes the right side he’s a left shot and Sully likes left shots on the left and right shots on the right. It makes no sense to sign another veteran dman to play on the bottom pair. Need a young guy that can grow with the team.

      • I agree. Pit doesn’t need Johnson.

        I have heard numerous NHL coaches asked about the right & left handed D issue. Almost all say it’s really only an issue in the offensive zone & even then not that big an issue.

        We never even used to discuss such until Babcock went off on the subject about 4 years ago.

        I get that in an ideal world it makes sense but I think we make for more out of it than is really in play. The game getting fast may be the reason it’s become more of an issue.

    • When Jack Johnson asked for a trade in the middle of the season last year it reminded me of the concerns Rutherford had about Johnson when he traded him for less than market value.

      Johnson probably needs to sign a 1 year contract with a big market team to increase his market value but I don’t think it will be Pittsburgh.

      • Penguins need another defence man did anyone watch the playoffs…Marco Scandella would be ideal young, signed at $4 million, big, physical, can skate AND A GOOD PASSER AND SKATER.

        Sheary $ 3 million & goalie Tristan Jarry
        Buffalo is moving on from Reihner as their back -up

    • Eklund’s headline today on hockeybuzz says the Sens absolutely have to extend Karlson before the draft is over or they are in big trouble as a franchise. Considering they can’t sign him until July 1st I guess they a screwed. He knows as much about hockey as he does playing in a band. Terrible.

      • I don’t even go there anymore. Although Karlsson can’t have his contract filed with central registry till July 1st nothing precludes them from coming to a deal at any time.

        It happens all the time the latest being OEL. Even Kovalchuk can agree to a contract today under the rules for retired players but it also can’t be filed with central registry & become official until July 1st.

        If Dorion doesn’t already know if he can sign Karlsson he’s in bigger trouble than he is already & he’s in big trouble now. The ship has sprung leaks everywhere.

        I have been waiting for the other issues that are supposed to be coming into the public domain to surface but they are still just scuttlebutt under the surface of the mainline media.

        Curious to see who will be the 1st to report these other issues. It’s certainly not going to be me.

  2. Karlsson in Tbay makes no sense they have the Norris trophy in Hedman
    I guess Florida was wrong in that Gallant wasn’t a good enough coach
    No way Ryan is being tagged with EK . A team is going to take on 16-17 million ?
    “ It’s the most wonderful time of the year” Even over Trade deadline and Christmas. It’s going to be a log weekend for Calgary with no picks in the first 3 rounds

    • Disagree Silverseven, TB will have 4 Dmen become UFA’s after the upcoming season. They are not going to resign all of them. I picked TB as a possible destination yesterday.
      It depends on whether Karlsson will negotiate an extension with TB at a reasonable price for the best offensive D man in the NHL. Which depends on what Karlsson wants. Is it just money? Then you’re right TB may be out, even though they have very reasonable taxes and can pay slightly less without impacting the players actual take home. So maybe $ shouldn’t be a big issue.
      If it is about opportunity to win a cup? Check. Being comfortable with the room and team mates? Check, as Hedman is a bud. If it is about TB having the assets to send back? yep. If it about the cap space starting in 19/20? yep. Who knows where he ends up, but TB was interested at the deadline, so why not now?

      • Ray.

        How is TB going to make Karlsson’s salary demands work long term?

        Kucherov needs to be extended as soon as possible July 1st of this year with each passing day his demands go up with inflation. Miller is up now, Point next summer RFA, Gourde, McDonagh & Stralman all UFA’s next summer & Vasilevsky in 2 years.

        Karlsson to TB causes too many cap issues as early as next season. Just extend at least 1 of Stralman or McDonagh. With Hedman, Sergechev, 1 of those 2 & Foote coming the top 4 is set for years.

        With expansion 2 summers away & TB being a cup contender hard choices have to be made. I would sign both McDoangh & Stralman & accept that I’m going to lose 1 to Seattle in expansion, most likely Stralman.

      • Striker, they simply don’t keep everybody they have now. Yes this would tie up some cash but he is also an impact player which you would luv to have.
        Obviously Colburn and Girardi are gone, and you only keep one of Stralman and McD. Foote won’t need to be protected, is he in the AHL yet? I though he was still in Jr. Callahan goes away in 2 years for a big saving.
        Johnson is also a luxury they don’t need. (I would personally try and move Stamkos as he was not an impact player in the playoffs, actually close to invisible in RD’s 2&3 but that ain’t happening)
        Unless they only wanted him till the end of this season at the TDL, why did they pitch for EK? I think if Stevie wants him he can figure it out.
        Other than Callahan, they don’t have anything too stupid for contracts that are immovable. I think Yzerman want to get over the hump and add an impact player for the next 5 years, and right now. Restock the pipeline at the same time moving guys like Johnson.
        Core is Karlsson, Hedman, Stamkos, Kucherov, Sergachev, Point, Stralman/McD, Miller. Fill in with youth and inexpensive players through the pipeline.
        Who knows in TB maybe they can get him for 9/9.5?

  3. “Coyotes GM John Chayka disputed a report yesterday in The Athletic claiming his club was the preferred trade destination for Pittsburgh Penguins winger Phil Kessel”

    He certainly did not. First, the report said that Arizona was *a* not *the* peferrred destination for Kessel. Like most writers, you got that wrong.

    Second, Chayka never said a word about whether Kessel was interested in moving to Arizona. Not a word.

    • I didn’t think the interpretation of the report quoted above is that Chayka disputed that Kessel was interested in coming to Arizona, as he wouldn’t know that. I think he was disputing the “…but, the coyotes informed the penguins that deal wouldn’t happen for financial reasons”

      This implies that someone knew of the specifics of a conversation between Chayka and JR, and Chayka has taken exception to that (which is reasonable). That is how I interpreted it anyway.

      • Yes. Exactly. But that’s not what was suggested in the blog.

  4. So let me understand… A reporter actually thinks Calgary would trade Hamilton (an excellent defensive defensman), who scored 44 pts in 82 games, for a winger Elias Lindholm who scored 44 pts in 81 games.

    And the reason they would do this was to help their offence? I think Carolina would have to add so much more to that trade that Lindholm wouldn’t even be the centrepiece anymore.

    • I agree with that, but I do feel that Hamilton pops up in trade rumors because for some reason Calgary looks at him as less valuable than he is. A lot of people tend to think of him as a complete defensive liability, despite their being very little evidence to that.

      My favourite part of this time of year is getting an idea of how GM’s and other posters value different players as I find this is when some of the most lopsided or controversial trades happen. If Calgary really does undervalue Hamilton, a trade could be very interesting.

      • I watch a lot of Flames games. I would have to say that Hamilton is no where near being a good defensive, or all around d-man. He is often out of position in his d-zone and depends on his partner. His 2 defence partners that he has had with success in in his career have been Chara and Giordano. When he was first brought into Calgary he was partnered with a somebody else as Brodie was Giordano’s partner and he struggled mightily. Also if he was so good defensively they why is he not on the PK?

      • That is the book on him Kevjam, and many of my Flame fan buds will say the same thing. I think it may stem from him being such a big guy and that he refuses to be physical, which limits his ability to break up the cycle or control the front of the net as well as he could. If he did he could dominate in his own end defensively and could contend for a Norris.
        I think it is more frustration about what he could be and isn’t than what he is; which is a very good offensive d-man.

      • What is it with everyone wanting the superstar 2-way Dman. There are less than 123 in the entire league today. All players have warts, many are 1 dimensional & the last time I checked the team that scores the most goals wins.

        Yes Hamilton leans to driving offence & transitional play, he gambles, takes chances & I wouldn’t want it any other way no slight a player like Hainsey who lead the NHL in PK TOI/GP & who’s job it is to make sure no 1 scores when he is on the ice, or Chara, Greene, etc.

        Hamilton did have the best =/- on Cal for what it’s worth & I would be happy to have him on my team. Oh, wait we did but his personality & conflict with his teammates got him traded.

        These Hamilton rumours make no sense to me. If I’m Calgary I move Brodie who under the previous coach forgot how to play the game.

      • Sorry, should read 12, not 123.

      • I think Ray hit it on the head. Hamilton is a big d man who plays more like a smaller one in terms of style. This isn’t bad, but people see his size and can’t help but wonder what he should be. In reality, he still skates, uses his longer stick to his advantage, but people want him to be physical and clear the front of the net too, so they judge him harshly for not playing that way. Also likely hurts that he is happens to share the ice with a guy who is one of those 12 or so top tier two way guys, so sometimes he just looks a little worse by direct comparison. He would be the best d-man on a lot of teams.

        I see him as extremely similar to Parayako yet Parayako doesn’t seem to carry near as much controversy.

      • All the Hamilton trade rumours start outside of Calgary. Mostly eastern media who rarely watch him play. The guy is a definite top 2 defenceman who can skate and has size. Of course people want him but some of the trade rumors of players coming back is laughable.
        I would say there is less than 1 percent chance he is traded.
        If Calgary is going to trade a defenceman it will be TJ Brodie who is most comfortable playing the right side runs the powerplay and is an outstanding skater.

  5. Kessel for Ristolainen?

    That would be interesting.

    But, I think there’s a chance the Pens off season could end up being slow…

    Trade Sheary to Buffalo for a 4th round pick and sign Jack Johnson and that’s it.

    • Buffalo isn’t that stupid no way Kessel gets them Risto there would need to be a pick and prospect going to Buffalo IMO

      • Might have to add Sprong….obviously Botterill knows the Pens top to bottom.

      • Kessel just finished behind Kucherov and Wheeler for the NHL’s post season All Star teams. Buffalo needs a first line winger (far more than the Pens need a stud third pair D man). The Pens would not need to add.

        The only question is whether Buffalo wants to use the “mix of young and old” formula or go with a full youth movement. If it’s the latter, then obviously they’d want no part of that idea.

      • Buf shouldn’t move Risto.

    • Mg they need a better summer than your saying trade Sheary yes..but package Sheary with Tristan Jarry and a pick for a top 4 d-man..

      • Yes, trade Jarry and who exactly is going to be the starter if Murray is out for an extended period? It is clear that the Pens cannot risk trading Jarry. DeSmith is an OK backup for a short term, but if Murray were out for an extended period, they would be in big trouble with having Jarry available.

    • @striker was Dougie a problem, or was it a smear campaign? What have you heard not from the article that came out AFTER the trade from Boston?

      • There were issues in the dressing room with several teammates. Like most kids coming into the NHL all of a sudden becoming overnight millionaires, his head was bigger than his heart.

        I wish Boston could have found a way around these issues but Jacobs, Sidden, Neally & co are old school.

        I don’t begrudge Hamilton or Boston. Hamilton didn’t want to be there Boston made the best of a bad situation. Unfortunate but part of the business model in the NHL.

      • There are some good Nhl back up goalies on the market now looking for work…..

        Jarry is good but to get something good you need to give up something good…point taken Murray was brittle last year..

    • I’m always flabbergasted when people suggest that a player who scored 40 5×5 goals over the last two years is only worth mid round draft pick. And before you bring up Crosby, he was only involved in half of Sheary’s goals. If it was so easy to score playing with Crosby, how come Simon couldn’t, and he’s not a terrible player.

      And I’d be careful about Ristolainen. I’ve read that many knowledgeable scouts have serious doubts as to whether he’ll ever turn into anything. For sure, he has been terrible up till now. Trading a high end sure thing like Kessel for him would be very risky.

      • Fairly 1 dimensional certainly but how do you grade anyone playing on the worst team in the league his entire career & most with little to no support around him on D. He was thrown into the deep end as Buf had no choice.

        Keep ROR, Risto, Reinhart. Move ROR or Mittlestadt to LW ice to solid scoring lines & lets actually try & win some games for what seems like forever in Buf.

    • Would never happen, Ristolainen is their only good defenceman. Makes no sense to draft Dahlin and trade Risto. Buffalo is weak at defense. Kessel would only help the sabres if they were ready to win now. They are many years away. Hard to find defenceman that had 40 points or more 3 times in their first 4 seasons!

      • Health would help. Bogosian is a solid shut down Dman, unfortunately, he can’t stay healthy. Scandella is a solid 4/5 Dman may even have #3 abilities if forced into such a role. Both Mccabe & Beaulieu are years from being fully developed, nor is Risto yet.

        The makings of an NHL calibre D are slowly coming together in BUF. Give it 2 more full seasons & it will come around on its own.

        McCabe, Risto.
        Dahlin, Bogosian.
        Scandella, Beaulieu.
        Falk, Nelson.

        Moving out a lesser LD Beaulieu once Bogosian’s health is resolved may be in the cards. Nelson has to clear waivers this season so he stays, gets traded or will be lost on waivers. Guhle is still waiver exempt so still a victim of the #’s game until injuries hit & not suited to be sitting in the 7 or 8 slot.

  6. A lot of times these are Not rumors but simply a reporter making a suggestion of what he feel could or should happen and we run with it from there.
    This isn’t to say there isn’t any actual rumours but just most often it’s a beat writer of a local team. I think most of us understand that and we like to add on from there.

    • You got that right. Hell, they “speculate” farther off the wall than any of us do in here – and get paid well to do it!

    • 90+ % of what we discuss here is just someone’s pipe dream. What we know for certain is we are always disappointed with what happens as we all expect so much more to happen. It never does.

      We occasionally get shocked like when Subban & Weber got traded for each other & Stamkos resigned all in 20 mins. That was amazing. Occasionally other stuff has us go whoa but that isn’t the norm.

      It’s almost always anticlimactic but all good. Tomorrow day 1 of the draft, July 1st, the start of the NHL season & the trade deadline are 4 of my favourite days of the year & I will be glued to TSN & the internet all day & weekend in this case.

  7. Pens need to stay away from Johnson.

    • Gino 771 — is that you Evgeny M?

    • The Johnson stuff makes little sense for many reasons. The simplest and most obvious is that the Pens seem determined to add a right hander and Johnson is left handed.

  8. What if the Hawks were to convince the Habs to flip #3 for #8 and land one centre in Artem Anisimov and the Hats then send that #8 slot choice with a winger to Buffalo for Ryan O’Reilly?

    The Habs if they REALLY are intent on taking Jesperi Kotkaniemi, unless Wings go off the rails there is pretty decent chance he is still on the board (if his old bosses have assured him their man in Brady Tkachuk)

    I think the reality of trading out on the top six in this strong mix of forwards and defenseman dampens the chances of a team trading out, but….

    Mac Bergevin would then have a now centre, and a developing centre (to go along with last year’s pick of Ryan Poeling) to parade around the microphones and get back so good vides after the goal subtraction the Dome acquisition brought to town.

    Anyway, just tossing things around as my seven round draft board is pretty much set, and am I just biding time for the draft to begin here in Dallas….

    • “What if the Hawks were to convince the Habs to flip #3 for #8 and land one centre in Artem Anisimov and the Hats then send that #8 slot choice with a winger to Buffalo for Ryan O’Reilly?”

      The Habs would have to send a 2nd or something to Chicago, but otherwise, I really like this idea for all teams involved. Nice work.

      • Downgrading 5 spots & getting Ansimov seems exceptional fair. Solid proposal Bill. Ansimov is only 30 has 3 years left with a decent cap hit & could slot in as a decent 2/3 option in Mon. #2 this season & possibly 2019-20. I believe Plekenec is coming back for at least 1 year if not 2 to play as the #3 shut down C. Both he & Mon like the fit.

        If Mon could then possibly flip 8 in a deal to get ROR, extend Patches, then Mon could bounce back very quickly & I would have to show Bergevin some appreciation. That would be a tough pill to swallow but I don’t hold out much hope Bergevin has it in him but you can never say never.

        I like several of the things Bergevin has done. Trading Subban for Weber, getting Danault from Chi, trading for Domi. It hasn’t all been bleak just most of it.

  9. I am nervous beyond measures as I fear Marc Bergevin is going to screw something up Friday either by a bad trade or making a dumb, dumb pick at #3. Worse is he packages the pick and a player for another 4th liner or #6 defencemen.

    • Raging R,

      no move made by MB should come as any surprise— expect the worst— and then something less than the worst is a bonus— I think?

      Fairly sure he will not have a “knock it out of the park” move in the next few days

      • if he is smart he offers patches & Weber to Buff for the #1 and calls it a day

  10. Let’s say Montreal is dead set on getting ROR and the only way is Buffalo wants that 3rd pick maybe it turns into a blockbuster trade and more pieces are added on each side. The Habs D is getting old so maybe McCabe is included or Nylander or both. How much does Montreal want to get rid of Pacioretty? Pacioretty, 3rd overall for ROR, McCabe and Nylander? Maybe other pieces are added. Does Bergevin start to panic as he has to think his job is on the line this year. Montreal needs a center more then the Sabres need to trade ROR. I heard on the radio this morning that maybe a third team would need to be involved…who knows but I think the next few weeks are going to be very interesting.

    • Len

      I don’t think its so much that Mon WANTS to rid themselves of Patches but that there is an opportunity with a Patches trade, to make themselves better or more in line with any direction that they are working on.

      The trade you proposed, IMO , is lopsided a bit

      • Pengy, maybe that was being a homer lol but I did say other pieces may have to be added…then again we are talking Bergevin here who seems to take it in the shorts on trades. Personally if I’m Montreal stay put maybe use some of the 2nd’s and move back into the 1st round, trade Pacioretty and get as much as possible now before taking it in the shorts at the trade deadline. Have another so so season and work from there. As a Sabres fan give me the 3rd pick, can’t blame a guy for dreaming lol

  11. Is anyone else having site issues? Mine has been ongoing for over a year. The window just disappears, there are lag problems, this lag leads to words even paragraphs being missed. It never stops loading as it’s constantly trying to download all kinds of crap.

    I know many will find this disappointing but these hassles almost have me pulling the plug on trying to post it’s so frustrating.

    • Striker

      I had serious issues last week. Completely frozen at times for a couple of hours. Then other times I had to close and come back in. Before that it was sporadic problems as above.

      Since Lyle re-set a few days ago I have not had any issues

    • Definitely site issues. Some dude named striker is always posting. Lyle can’t seem to get that fixed. 😉


        angry face

      • Ha-ha!

        Well, it may fix its self as typing away only to have the screen vanish & ask to reload is a pain.

    • I have had the same problems for the last year but it is working much better since last week.

    • No issues here. Did have an issue one day last week, but it only lasted that one day.

    • Striker I find if I take time to proofread what I’ve written that everything is fine. I even find the odd spelling and grammatical error. I know it’s radical but it’s worth a try.

      • I can live with the checking but it literally can take minutes to even get the cursor to move. I have discussed with Lyle via email. tried differently platforms, hardware, internet serves. IT thinks it may relate to Google settings & targeted advertising.

        I will alter those settings as a last resort.

  12. Carolina shouldn’t have any issues signing Lindholm really. Lindholm has never shown offensively in actual #’s his real skill set. It is odd considering the quality of linemates & icetime he has garnered. If you watch him play he has skills but has never translated to points, which is odd.

    The issue is having 5 years of NHL experience & 2 years from UFA status how do you pay him? It’s 2.9 to qualify him, I assume he would get 3.5 to 4.5 in arbitration on a 1 or 2-year deal but I assume Carolina would like to lock up long-term & buying UFA years on a player that could be a late bloomer offensively or just what he has shown to date.

    If not for the mess in Carolina I assume he would have already been signed but who knows what they are doing. All we have heard is the new owner is cheap, can’t blame him he signed on to lose 25+ mil a season but then we hear from Dreger they are bidding on Karlsson!

    • Striker

      how does the arbitrator decide on term (1 or 2 years) for decision? Are there pre-set parameters used in all arbitration cases?

      • In player elected arbitration the player can decide if he wants to take 1 year or 2. 1 would have him an RFA next summer, 2 a UFA when completed.

        I used to believe Trouba was going to use that leverage to extort a trade. Funny how winning solves everything even living in Win 7 to 8 months a year the worst 7 or 8 possible.

    • Striker – your analysis of the Lindholm dilemma is right on. He’s an odd case in that he has various top end skills, but it’s not translating into points. For lack of a better option, I’m going to lay some of the blame at the former Peters regime. I think Lindholm was often asked to take the tougher assignments on a ‘defense-first’ team strategy.

      For now, I think the closest comparable is Jordan Staal-lite. Lindholm can play anywhere, against anyone capably, but doesn’t appear to be a big scorer. Jury’s out on that, though. If put between Aho and Teravainen (rumored line), he could definitely put up numbers.

      That said, your main point remains valid: How do you price that skill set? I really hope they keep him simply because he is so useful up-and-down the lineup.

      Of the four rumored to be likely traded (Faulk, Skinner, Hanifin, Lindholm), I lean towards keeping Lindholm the most, owing mainly to skills vs. cost ratio.

      • I agree with your Jordan Staal-lite description of Lindholm’s game.

      • I would move Skinner but only if he can’t be extended. I would hold onto the other 3, looking to move Faulk next summer. This team is so close to breaking through with what they have.

        I don’t like Peters. Pig headed. Not playing Skinner & Williams on the same line when the #’s showed they dominated & I mean significantly over the competition never made sense to me nor never will.

        Carolina just needs to let these kids continue to mature & develop. Hopefully, new ownership & management doesn’t f— it up.

        Go trade this years 2nd; 46th overall, & a prospect to Was for Grubauer or sign Hutton if contract demands aren’t too onerous. Darling gets 1 more partial kick at the can to stay in Carolina as a 1B best case scenario but if he can’t start earning his contract he becomes the highest paid back up in the NHL.

      • I have no idea why Hanafin is popping up in the rumors.
        Just vultures circling because of the changes?
        He is just ready to breakout IMO, should be a perfect candidate to bridge, with a great comparable with Trouba deal, shouldn’t be a nickel more even with inflation.
        I believe they are getting an impact player at the draft with Svechnikov to address scoring, and likely right away if not in a year.
        Why trade a guy who will be your best puck moving, puck logging, enter the zone with control D-men who is an elite skater and 6’3″?
        Should be real close to putting it all together.
        I just don’t get it.

    • Lindholm was one of 5-6 Carolina players that improved their game last year. My opinion is that his upside is a Sean Couturier type player. I would trade Victor Rask before Lindholm.

      Striker, Where did you get 25 mill per season loss?

      • I pull operating incomes from Statista.com. It is now hidden behind a paywall. They can swing wildly year to year. 2015-16 Carolina was shown as the 2nd worst in operating income to Florida at just over 22 mil. 2016-17 just posted recently & it actually shows a 3 mil profit!

        If not for Carolina’s sweetheart lease with the Sports Authority the governing body of the building it would lead the league easily but Carolina pays a flat rate of 15 mil annually & takes all monies for everything in the building & the authority covers maintenance costs.

        That deal has several years to run & Dudoin had to commit to the NHL at purchase that he would keep the team in Carolina for 7 years. I don’t know if last season is part of that agreement.

    • Hanafin & Lindholm to Buff for ROR ??

  13. To Carolina:
    Hamilton & Bennett

    To Calgary:
    Lindholm and Hanifin

    • No…don’t like. I’m a Hanifin fan and to see him put on a Flames jersey would not be a good thing.

    • Fax it in( or do they email)

  14. So I guess it would be safe to say Florida is not in on Karlsson

  15. does Karlsson & Ryan to NJ for Severson, Zacha & the 17th plus prospect make sense for either team?

    ott clears tons of cap and gain youth to build with

    nj gets a top 2 d man that gives them
    as atop 4
    and they dont have to resign grabner stfford etc… nj has plenty of youth still…

  16. If a team gives Trouba 8 million a season that will be the worst mistake anyone has made since the Leafs drafted a defensive D man with a top 5 pick.

    • If a Trouba is worth 8 million then Hanafin is worth 12 no way

      • Trouba 1 single assist in playoffs, wow what a amazing playmaker from back end!

  17. Like the 3rd to Hawks for the 8th and Asiminov. Habs might have to add a 3rd or 4th. They could still get a good prospect at 8.

    • I would prefer McCarron & a 2nd for Anisimov.

  18. Would not be surprised to see Leafs in on O’Reilly if Tavares is not attainable. While overpaid, he would slot in well, cost less than Tavares and Babcock absolutely loves him.