NHL Rumor Mill – June 22, 2018

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The 2018 NHL Draft begins tonight. Check out the latest trade rumors involving Erik Karlsson, John Tavares, Ryan O’Reilly, Jeff Skinner and more.

KARLSSON

TSN: Darren Dreger reports there’s considerable interest in Ottawa Senators defenseman Erik Karlsson entering the draft weekend. The Vegas Golden Knights, who attempted to acquire the blueliner at the February trade deadline, are believed among the teams looking at Karlsson. The Senators are expected to set a huge asking price for Karlsson. Bob McKenzie noted the Senators wanted the Golden Knights to take winger Bobby Ryan and his $7.5 million salary-cap hit as part of the deal in February. While the Golden Knights have the cap space to do that now, McKenzie believes they’re not going to send as many players or draft picks back in return.

THE ATHLETIC: Pierre LeBrun wonders if Senators general manager Pierre Dorion believes now is the best time to trade Karlsson or wait until next season when his value might be higher. LeBrun feels the Senators need this resolved now, either by trading or re-signing him. As of Wednesday, Karlsson had not be asked to supply a list of preferred trade destinations.

OTTAWA SUN: Bruce Garrioch reports the Golden Knights aren’t the only club talking to the Senators about Karlsson, as the Carolina Hurricanes are believed to have spoken to them. He notes the Washington Capitals and Tampa Bay Lightning were interested back in February. Bobby Ryan, Zack Smith and Jean-Gabriel Pageau are also being mentioned, though Garrioch notes the Sens didn’t show any interest in moving Pageau in February and he now has a chance to play an expanded role.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: Earlier this season there were reports the Senators requested trade lists from several players, including Karlsson. That’s probably the list they’re still operating on if they are fielding trade offers. 

Could the hiring of Barry Trotz as head coach push John Tavares closer to re-signing with the New York Islanders? (Photo via NHL Images)

ISLANDERS

TSN: Darren Dreger reports new New York Islanders head coach Barry Trotz has had some communication with captain John Tavares. The hiring of Trotz could make a difference in the club’s contract talks with Tavares, though there are other factors (goaltending, roster stability) to consider.

Pierre LeBrun reports Islanders GM Lou Lamoriello has ruled out a “sign-and-trade” option for Tavares. “So either Tavares stays put or goes, but it will be a traditional transaction either way,” said LeBrun, who adds Lamoriello hopes Tavares stays.

Bob McKenzie reports the Islanders are among the clubs with interest in Washington Capitals goaltender Philipp Grubauer. The Carolina Hurricanes, Detroit Red Wings and Chicago Blackhawks are also believed in the mix. The Capitals are thought to be seeking at least a first-round pick for Grubauer.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: Keep an eye on the Islanders entering this weekend. I expect they’ll be making a move or two to bolster their goaltending and their blueline. There’s growing chatter that they’re also getting closer to a deal with Tavares but we might not hear anything new on that until after this weekend. 

CANADIENS

TSN: Bob McKenzie reports the Montreal Canadiens have had some interest in Buffalo Sabres center Ryan O’Reilly. The Sabres covet the Canadiens’ first-round pick (third overall) in this year’s draft but McKenzie believes they’re unwilling to part with that selection and are trying to find another way to land O’Reilly. He adds the Sabres aren’t committed to trading O’Reilly and won’t move him unless they get the right pieces coming back.

SPORTSNET:  Eric Engels said multiple reports have surfaced claiming Canadiens GM Marc Bergervin has spoken with Sabres GM Jason Botterill discussion the possibility of swapping left wing Max Pacioretty for O’Reilly. Bergevin also said the chances he’ll trade his first-round pick are very, very slim. Friedman suggests the possibility of the Canadiens taking back a bad contract, such as Matt Moulson’s, as part of the return for O’Reilly.

Pacioretty has one year remaining on his contract and could seek a long-term extension worth over $7 million. The Canadiens could be reluctant to pay that much for a winger who’ll turn 31 in 2019. The Los Angeles Kings and Carolina Hurricanes have been linked to Pacioretty, and Engels also suggests the New York Islanders could also be a possibility.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: The Canadiens really need improvement at center so it’s no surprise they’re interesting in O’Reilly. Based on the latest reports, it seems increasingly unlikely Bergevin will part with the third-overall pick to address that issue. I think he’s looking more at moving Pacioretty with a package of other picks (he has four in their second round) and a prospect to get it done. 

LATEST ON THE HURRICANES

TSN: Pierre LeBrun reports the Los Angeles Kings are among the teams talking to the Carolina Hurricanes about left wing Jeff Skinner. The Kings are also talking to free-agent left wing Ilya Kovalchuk and if they sign him it could take them out of the bidding for Skinner. The Pittsburgh Penguins and St. Louis Blues have also shown interest in the Hurricanes’ forward.

LeBrun also reports the Hurricanes are willing to pay restricted free agent center Elias Lindholm just north of $4 million annually but the Lindholm camp seeks over $5 million. The center’s representatives are slated to meet with Hurricanes GM Don Waddell today. LeBrun believes they could shop Lindholm if a deal cannot be hashed out, saying the Calgary Flames are among the clubs who’ve expressed interest.

THE NEWS & OBSERVER: Luke DeCock reports the Hurricanes are among five or six clubs with interest in Washington Capitals goaltender Philipp Grubauer. The Hurricanes have a second-round pick to offer up but the Islanders (with two first-round picks) are considered the front-runners. They’ve also inquired about Minnesota Wild forward Jason Zucker. DeCock also said the Hurricanes are only seriously considering moving a player or two, starting with those with impending contract issues such as Jeff Skinner. Elias Lindholm and Noah Hanifin could also fall into the category depending upon how their current contract negotiations go.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: The Hurricanes are coming up a lot in recent trade chatter. I expect Skinner is the most likely to be dealt. Lindholm could be next but I wouldn’t be surprised if Waddell and the center’s agent find an agreeable midpoint in the annual salary. I still feel they’ll move Justin Faulk before Hanifin, who still has plenty of upside. 

KOVALCHUK

TSN: Darren Dreger reports the Los Angeles Kings are believed to have made a contract offer to free-agent winger Ilya Kovalchuk. The San Jose Sharks, Vegas Golden Knights and Boston Bruins are thought to have interest in the 35-year-old Kovalchuk.

NBC SPORTS BOSTON: Joe Haggerty reports Bruins GM Don Sweeney have held discussions with the Kovalchuk camp. Sweeney said there’s no face-to-face meetings set up yet with the winger but his interest remains high. Kovalchuk is rumored seeking a two-year deal worth $6 million per season.

BLACKHAWKS

THE ATHLETIC: Pierre LeBrun reports the Chicago Blackhawks are talking to teams in hopes of finding one that’ll take the contract of all-but-retired winger Marian Hossa off their hands. Hossa’s cap hit is $5.275 million though in actual salary he’ll get $1 million for 2018-19. It’s believed they’ve spoken with the Arizona Coyotes, Carolina Hurricanes and Ottawa Senators but LeBrun doubts they have any interest in acquiring Hossa’s contract.

CHICAGO SUN-TIMES: Mark Lazerus reports a league source claims the Blackhawks have been talking with several teams about ways to upgrade their defense, “particularly Carolina and Justin Faulk.”

SPECTOR’S NOTE: The Coyotes used to be willing dumping ground for teams to offload bad contracts. With a roster of budding young talent, however, it’s understandable why they’re reluctant to do so now. They’ll need cap space going forward to re-sign those youngsters. Remember, they’re not a cap-ceiling team. 

WILD

THE ATHLETIC: Michael Russo reports sources say Minnesota Wild forwards Jason Zucker, Charlie Coyle and Nino Niederreiter remain in the mix of persistent trade chatter. The trio failed to tally a point in the Wild’s five-game opening-round playoff elimination against the Winnipeg Jets. New GM Paul Fenton is considering shaking up his core. Before the Arizona Coyotes dealt Max Domi to Montreal, it’s believed Fenton spoke to them about a possible swap of Niederreiter and Zucker for Domi and another forward believed to be Christian Dvorak.

SPORTSNET: Elliotte Friedman reports it’s believed the Wild have asked teams with interest in Coyle, Niederreiter or Zucker to take forward Tyler Ennis as part of a package.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: Ennis has one year remaining on his contract at an annual cap hit of $4.6 million, though his actual salary is $3.65 million for 2018-19. Still, that could prove a tough sell for clubs more interested in Coyle, Niederreiter or Zucker. 

BLUES BEING ASKED ABOUT PARAYKO

SPORTSNET: Elliotte Friedman reports there’s word a number of teams are calling the St. Louis Blues to ask if they might consider trading defenseman Colton Parayko. The Edmonton Oilers, who hold the 10th overall pick in this year’s draft, could be among them. He thinks the asking price would be “enormous”.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: I’ll be shocked if the Blues trade Parayko. Yes, they need to bolster their scoring but it shouldn’t come at the expense of one of their best defensemen. 

 








104 Comments

  1. Hanifin at 21 and a number 5 overall pick will not be moved. The fact he has not took off will help the Canes contractually. Faulk is another matter and should be a viable trade candidate.
    Sounds like Kovalchuk will hold up some potential trades and we will have to wait until July 1.

    Lindholm for Bennett would work. Not sure the Flames could land Skinner . Maybe Faulk and Lindholm for TJ Brodie and Bennett

    • Hanifin starts 73% of his shifts in the Offensive zone! And yet has mediocre offensive stats. He’s a defenseman that is never asked to play defense. Coach is terrified of putting him on the ice anytime the opponent has the puck.

      Draft bust is written all over him. It reminds me of Luke Schenn. A high draft pick with little ability, yet the Leafs were able to flip him for JVR due entirely to the fact Schenn was a 5th overall. Carolina should do the same with Hanifin before the rest of the League catches on to the fact he only appears to be an NHL caliber defensemen because he’s given a coddled assignment.

      Nothing he has done suggests he has upside. If he was drafted in the 2nd round he’d be playing 2nd-3rd pairing minutes in the AHL and no one would even know his name.

      • I don’t actually watch a lot of Carolina games so it’s good to get your knowledgeable take on Hanifin. I can rest easy that the Leafs made the right pick with Marner

      • I completely disagree. This guy is 21 years old on a VERY young team/ defense. How many 21 year old d-men are lightning the world on fire in the nhl? Or even have a full time role in the NHL for that matter? No way should he be written off.

      • Taz, I suspect you watch more Carolina games than MST.

      • I agree with Nyr4life. How many 21 year old defence men put up over 30 points in a season. Also one of Hanifins strengths is his skating. No way you give up on him. I am very surprised he is even being rumoured to be traded.

      • This Bruins fan would be happy to take Hanafin. I checked his advanced stats after seeing your post. The offensive zone starts at even strength I saw said 63%, which is still high but his Corsi is still good at even strength taking that into account last season. It has improved every year.
        That is also totally normal for a player like him. The most difficult things for offensive D to learn is zone coverage, making the right reads for the first pass and decision making on when to go and not to go. He is being sheltered as he is 21.
        If you dig deeper into it, where he excels is entering the offensive zone with control and making plays that generate scoring chances. And is getting better at that too.
        Hanafin is 6’3″, brilliant natural skater with great offensive instincts who is learning the finer points of the Defensive game at the NHL level and improving.
        If Carolina is losing patience and is dumb enough to trade him, I hope Sweeney bucks up and takes him.

      • Hanifin is a stud. His name is out there because the owner doesn’t know what his value is. He’s gauging value of his players from the other experts.

      • Ha-ha! Yeah sure he is. The kid just turned 21 & has 3 years & 239 games on NHL experience. It takes in or around 400 NHL regular season games to fully develop an NHL Dman & then they just keep getting better till almost 28 years of age. Most Dman don’t even make the NHL by 21 never mind score 10 goals & 32 points.

        A stud offensive Dman in the making. He will get better defensively as he approaches year 6 & those 400 games, Just like Schultz, Gardiner, Krug, etc. They will never be solid 2 way Dman nor stellar shut down Dman but that’s not the role they are slated to play in the NHL. Their job is to help drive offence, pushing the play, taking chances, gambling to help create offence.

        The NHL loves offensive Dman, you need at least 2 to have any level of scoring success. A few teams are lucky enough to have Dman that can do both but there are 12 or less solid 2 way Dman in the NHL today yet everyone expects everyone to be such. Not happening never will.

        It’s the offensive Dman that see the money. Yes, the elite 2 way are exceptional paid as they are the elite but all teams have Dman that really only play defence, shut down roles & few get the real money that’s saved for Dman that can score & generate points.

      • Just wait for the preseason. Watch him skate and pass. It’s a beautiful thing.

      • Pretty sure Boston has 3 defenseman under 21 playing full time minutes. McAvoy,Carlo and Gryzlick.

      • Yes Sir! Never draft a defenseman in first round early if guy has no scoring ability , Luke Schenn lol

    • Hanfin just turned 21 in January & has 3 years, 239 NHL regular season games of experience, scoring 10 goals & 32 points last season in 79 games. There can only be a handful of NHL Dman in the NHL today to have achieved this level of success both in points in their 3rd full season & before their 22nd birthdays.

      Hanafin played as Carolina’s #4 Damn last season by TOI/GP & was 10th in PP TOI/GP, seeing under 2 mins a game playing over a minute less of PP time than Faulk which makes his 10 goals & 32 points even more impressive.

      I work to bridge Hanafin if at all possible but if forfeiting any UFA years he will be the highest paid Dman on Carolina unless bridged for 2 years. Even a 2-year bridge will cost at least 4.5 per unless Carolina plays hardball like Winnipeg did with Trouba.

      If Faulk is traded Hanafin is the #1 PP Dman in Carolina & 15 goals & 50 points are achievable which played most of the season at 21 is amazing. A stud in the making.

      • I wonder if Spooner, Lindgren and a first would help get Hanafin?

      • Hahahaha. I see what you did there!

      • Arghhhhhhh. Ha-ha!

      • Ray Bark: LOL!!

      • at this point Hanifin is quite over rated as a former high top 5 draft choice, he has draft pedigree but his play hasnt lived up to the hype. considering that both Provorov and Werenski were drafted after him and both are clearly better and the same age, the age excuse doesnt cut it.

        his play has to improve or the bust word will rightfully be used since carolinas defense is just as good or better than either the flyers or columbus

  2. Ny may be an interesting partner for Chicago to dump Hossa. They have 30 million in cap space. I’m still waiting to see if NY has the patience, and will power to ride out this rebuild. Or if they aggressively seek trades, UFA’s now. I hope they play the middle. But it’s hard for me to imagine NY riding out the season with 10-15 million of Dolan’s dollars floating out there. Time will tell.

    But I’d take nothing less than their 8th overall. No? Well good luck with his dead space this year. Because I’m 100% in agreement that the usual dumping grounds (Arizona, Florida, etc.) will be passing on that deal.

    • Side note, I would not be shocked to see one of Hayes, Spooner, Namestikov or Vesey on the move today-July 1st. Maybe a couple of them?

      • One of those 3 ‘centers’ seems likely to be moved today.

        I am sure you are like myself and many other Ranger fans seeing how serious a true rebuild is… A big part of my gut says they make a crazy move and skip a few steps

      • NY4L

        IMO … of those you’ve lost sets… Hayes most likely the one to move

        Regardless of stay/move … I see his production next year up a fair amount from this past year

      • NY4L

        Sorry

        that “lost sets” was supposed to read “listed”

        Mofo auto-correct and single finger typing

      • My wish is that none of them move. I’d like to see what they have now with a different coach. Moving Hayes now will put pressure squarely on the Shoulders of Andersson and Chytl. Let them develop. Ease into the transition.

        Namestikov finished the year on the 4th line with Beleskey and McLeod. Not exactly how to showcase any player.

      • Most likely to move I’d say is Zuc. Going back to last deadline, it would be in line with plan. I have no problem with signing FA’s to short term deals, but stay away from trades for the older, big name guts…ie: Karllson, Paciotetti, ROR

      • I’m with you I hope NYR keeps all of them, playing Namestnikov & Spooner as wingers. Perhaps Namestnikov plays as the #3 until Andersson is ready for that role.

        If Zuccarello can’t be extended he’s the player I’m moving this summer but even holding onto him till the trade deadline would work for me.

        I assume Gorton has some form of a plan this summer & curious to see what he is going to do with all those picks & cap space.

    • @ Nyr4life

      If the Blue shirts are willing to take on a salary dump like Hossa id rather see them take on Lucic and get a player that fits in and can play there type of game as opposed to just adding money …I am not a Ranger fan but see a better fit there IMO …if we are talking salary dumps….I think he may fit in with this club….and could be a fan favorite…it will be better money spent even with the 2 extra years….maybe a package for Stall ??

      • I have no problem with Staal or Smith. They are both gone in 3 years and will not be a problem to work around.

        Lucic, I wouldn’t touch. With 5 years remaining at 6 per he would be very problematic to work around vs Hossa for 1. Especially when you consider another expansion draft looming.

        He’d have the longest contract on the books for NY as of today. Only Zibanejad is close with 4 years remaining. Everyone else minus Staal , Shattenkirk , Smith and Lundqvist ( all at 3) have less than 3 years remaining.

        I take 1 year of Hossa over 5 years of misery.

      • ‘ 5 years of misery.’

        I feel like Lucic’s foot speed in MSG would be old Adam Graves 2.0. Never seen a player age as quickly as Graves

      • Totally misread this. Hossa has 3 years remaining not 1.

        But I still take it over Lucic. The top 6 are set. Where is Lucic playing? And how would he fit under the “younger, faster , more talented “ roster Ny promised in the infant letter to fans?

      • Hossa cost NYR nothing more than cap space which I assume they will have tons of.

        His salary is 1 mil & insurance will I assume cover 80% of those monies. That said Chi doesn’t have to move this contract, they have the space to get to opening day & put him on LTIR. They just can’t bid for any significant help but frankly, they don’t really need to.

      • Chi has over 9 mil in cap space with 18 players signed counting Hossa before LTIR. Youth will be served & young players will flush out the bottom end of Chi’s roster or lower paid 4th line UFA’s & 7/8 Dman, black aces, players paid to practice & provide injury insurance.

        Chi has been on a youth movement for 2 years now. As always move these players around any way you want especially the wingers.

        Saad 25, Toews, Debrincat 20.
        Duclair 22, Schmaltz 22, Kane.
        Sikura 23, Anisimov, Hinostroza 24.
        Hayden 23, Kampf 23, Jurco 25.
        Spare?

        Keith, Rutta.
        Gustafsson, Seabrooke.
        Oesterle, Murphy.
        ?, ?

        Forsling & Dahlstrom are NHL ready Dman but both can still clear waivers & aren’t suited to sitting as black aces in the 7/8 slots.

        Crawford, Forsberg.

        Chi gets in under the cap with that roster comfortably & when Hossa goes on LTIR opening day they can shop for a 6 mil player to add to this roster either at forward or D or spread those monies over 2 players or simply keep the cushion & see what plays out playing the youth.

    • Won’t cost chigago 8 overall to move Hossa.

      • Where’s he going? And what’s the cost? It’s not exactly an organization flush with prospects. I don’t see anyone taking on 3 years just for the sake of helping out Chicago.

        Chicago is more in a situation where the cap space is more helpful than the 8th overall. I don’t believe they’re at a point where they are going to rebuild through the draft….. yet

      • And I did say. “But I’d take nothing less than their 8th overall. No? Well good luck with his dead space this year.”

        It’s not exactly like asking to borrow a cup of sugar. They’re asking to take on 3 years of nearly 6 million in cap space.

        Like I said…. No? Okay, I’ll see you on the podium again next year at 6-8!

      • Only cap space until start of season then it’s ltir. Inconvenient to work with but not impossible.

      • That is true. But again their trading partners are pretty limited. NYR’s maybe Ottawa (they’re trying to shed Ryan)? Florida doesn’t have much space, right now they have the highest cap… oddly. I doubt Arizona goes there, and really any team in the West. I can’t see any team out there eager to help out Chicago unless it’s overpayment.

      • Chicago has added a ton of youth in the last 2 seasons. Hinostroza 24, Schmaltz 22, Debrincat 20, Duclair 22, Murphy 25, Gustafsson 26 & brought back Saad 25.

        Ruuta just turned 27 but played his 1st NHL season at D & had a solid 1st year in a sheltered role 57 games but as their #4 when dressed.

        Nor is the prospect pipeline bare. Jokiharju, Sikura, Mitchell, Forsling, Ejdsell, Highmore, Dahlstrom, Hayden, Hillman etc..

        Chicago will be drafting the best player available at 8, most likely a Dman but after 1 & 2 the next 8 picks are a crap shoot.

      • Think it’s less of what teams willing to pay vs the inconvenience to chigago vs losing a top ten pick. I could see them move down in the 1st round to dump Hossa but not lose out on a close to for sure nhler.

      • And I’m positive that every young guy is a “stud” in the making…..!insert eye roll here.

      • Um. Whatever tickles your pickle ny.

      • That was really meant for Striker …. but if you feel the need to jump in there…. I can’t say what does… this is a family oriented page…

      • Really? Since when?😳

        Uh oh

      • I never said that these players are studs but they are NHL players & the prospects aren’t all bums. Schmaltz & Debrincat are going to be studs, Hinostroza has top 6 potential as a scoring winger & Sikura is a very intriguing prospect he posted exceptional #’s his last 2 years at Northeastern.

        Nor am I writing Duclair off yet at 23 when this season starts. He has warts but if deployed offensively he puts up points, he just drives his coaches crazy as he can’t spell back check.

    • I think Carolina will acquire Hossa’s rights. I just don’t think Dundon is going to want to spend anywhere near to the cap right off the bat. MH’s contract will help get the team to the floor

      and I doubt Skinner gets traded tonight, I think the Kovalchuk deal will hold that up, as same teams who want Skinner are also talking to IK

      • No team has ever had any issues getting to the floor nor did an LTIR contract get any team to the floor. All have been over before said contracts were accounted for. Teams take these contracts as they are compensated to, not to get to the floor.

      • I could see a Skinner for Saad & Hossa deal with conditional draft picks based on Chicago being able to extend Skinner.

    • The norm is a 2nd round pick to dump a contract most recently paid by Flo to move Savard to NJ. Det moved back 4 spots in the 2016 draft to dump Datsyuk’s cap hit on Arz.

      There are numerous teams that could take Hossa’s cap hit if enticed to do so & it won’t be for the 8th overall pick or even a 1st round pick of any nature.

      • Once again I didn’t say it is the cost, should be the cost , has been the cost or ever will be the cost…..And I did say.

        “But I’d take nothing less than their 8th overall. No? Well good luck with his dead space this year.”

        Let me beak that down.

        When I say “no” it’s pretty obvious that I know it’s a high ask that Chicago crushes.

        When I say “ good luck with the cap space this year” I mean… Chicago most likely walks away…. but I wouldn’t do it for less…..

        Clear as mud?

    • No doubt very interesting day in Ranger history today. I see more old favorites going..+ of course a center or two that is RFA. Getting to #2 ? unlikely. I would not mind taking on salary if Kovy is going elsewhere but Lucics’ contract is soo bad. If montreal holds onto number 3 and draft kotkaniemi then #5 pick in draft is going to be significant for NYR since that pick could be anyone. If dmen start going 5-7 then a stud forward will drop. Still think the Rangers need to go to #7 to get forward, although i hope they can get him at 9. Best draft day since i can remember.

      • It’s strange to see NY with a ton of cap space and 7 picks in the first 3 rounds! I’d have to go back to???? Never since the last time that happened

  3. The senators would be the most interesting team tonight.
    On my drive to work today I was thinking about the following possible trade:

    To Edm: Ceci + their 22nd pick
    To Ottawa: Oilers 1st (10th) and 2nd (40th)

    Oilers get their NHL ready defensieman with upside and Ottawa gets a pick in the

    Ottawa then surrenders their 4th to Colorado this year.

    • Taz

      Nice

      I see this as a fit both ways… but I think Ed a little shy in the offer… maybe add a prospect or mid rounder to boot

      The trouble is if Ott keeps moving players for futures then they won’t have enough NHL players to get to Cap floor next year (this is assuming EK and BR moving)

      • I think the sens should do whatever the can (as a business) to keep Karlsson. A high pick next year might get him to consider signing.
        IF they have to move Karlsson then the MUST NOT include Ryan in a trade. They need max value for Karlsson and keeping BR to maintain cap floor.

      • I don’t think the SENS should resign Karlsson for any reason especially just for the fans….he is going to cost this organization way to much yearly to where as they will not be able to build around him anyways….and it will be best to just cut ties now while the stink is in the air instead of 2 years down the road and rebuild with the assets in tow…plus IMO I don’t see Karlsson being EITE after 3 years of this term having the serious injuries he has had long term this could be a very serious contract and if he has another serious FOOT injury he will be all but untradable …sure he goes on LTIR but you will loose big time assets you could have had to rebuild with and that’s where the SENS are right now in a serious rebuilding mode and they need a scortched earth approach and get the best in assets as they can all around with everyone !
        Just my opinion…

      • Crosby – multiple concussions
        McDavid – broken collar bone in first year
        Stamkos – broken leg and another leg injury

        The list goes on. Potential of injury is not the reason you don’t trade for a player of Karlsson’s ability. As an Ottawa resident I know how much he is loved in Ottawa and he fan reaction would be vicious IF they trade Karlsson, couple that with losing a 4th pick this year OR not having a lottery protected pick next year – boy oh boy, Ottawa is going to revolt.

        Either way, they have to make a decision and consider the fact that they need to spend to make money.
        Injury is the last thing they need to worry about. Karlsson at 10M with the cap at possibly close to 100M 5 years from now isn’t as bad as you are making it sound.

      • Taz, I guess you didn’t spot the Sun straw poll the other day – 53% said trade Karlsson – 47% keep him. So the potential fan “anger” is less than 50% – and most of those will get over it. A GM can’t run a franchise worrying about “fan reaction” – there will always be those who vow to never go to a game again – but most do as soon as a new young player captures their attention.

        Any GM who starts making big decisions on the basis of fan reaction will soon be out of a job.

      • @George – my point was possibly not made clear by myself.

        If you trade Karlsson and package Bobby Ryan with him to miss out on max return then I’d say that 53% would be a lot smaller.
        If you trade Karlsson, get max return and don’t show a blatant attempt to reduce expenditure and expect the fans would be ok with it. They’ll get over it but there will be backlash.

        That being said, you are a Sens fan George so I respect your opinion and in a better place to comment than I am

    • Taz: I’m not a huge Ceci fan, but Ottawa would need more than that in the trade. They have to ice a team. I’m haven’t seen him play much, but maybe add Benning or someone similar coming back to Ottawa. I’m assuming Benning is a 4-6D. If not, Benning doesn’t work.

      • @ TAZ

        I sincerely disagree with you on that issue.
        Karlsson has had SERIOUS injuries, and I see a 3 year window to where as if he plays at 90% of his game he will be OK..but not worth the money they will shell out and then have a hard time moving that contract in his decline after 3 years from now …as an organization you have to take those injuries as part of this process and combine them into the horrible defensive play he all ready offers NOW ….he will be useless if he is hampered in any way in his offensive play …like i said LTIR can cancel out the contract but you would loose the assets that the TEAM & Organization so desperately needs right now !
        He is not worth the money he will command and he will only decline in just a few years time …this team needs a TRUE rebuild and move on.
        This is a GOLDEN opportunity for the Sens to move on and be a complete team not a 1 trick pony team and rely on 1 superstar.

    • Ceci is not the type of d-man the Oilers are looking for. Seeing that Ceci only 11 career power play points and the Oilers are looking for a right handed d-man that can run the first power play unit the answer would be no thanks.

      • Kevjam, what do your Oilers do tonight, the next 2 weeks? I live in Edm, and there have been plenty of talk regarding moving the pick for offensive RD, or moving up to get one of the top 2 RD in the draft.
        The Lucic talk has quieted, as expected nobody wants him with a significant sweetener, which the Oil can’t afford to do.
        PC seems a little crusty these days after taking his licks watching Hall win the Hart and Barzal win the Calder. Methinks if the Oil have another tough year, he’s done.
        PC is not a patient dude, with this heat he may not be able to resist any kind of deal, and I am sure he is being offered some bad ones because of it. Maybe he has learned his lesson?

      • Without a sweetener

      • I’m not sure. Been reading some tweets and it sounds like Doug Armstrong is listening to offers on Payanko, and Chiarelli is one of them. Really can’t see Armstrong wanting to move Payanko though.
        I wouldn’t be upset if the Oilers stay pat and draft either Boqvist, Dobson, or Bouchard. If neither of them are available then I would settle for Ty Smith.

      • KevJam, What do you think about Faulk for Larsson as the basis of a trade?

      • I like the idea of Faulk, but I think it will be a mistake to add Larsson in on the deal. Larsson is a great stay at home d-man that makes it hard for the forwards in front of the net. If there is a deal for Faulk it will most likely be Klefbom that will part of the deal.

      • Methinks you are band on with Ty Smith at 10 Kevjam, as he should still be there. Hopefully for the Oil it is one of the other 2 you mention.

    • I don’t make that trade if Ott. I don’t get wanting to move Ceci. You lose Karlsson & Ceci is now your #1, move him & who is Ott’s #1.

      Ott has shown you what they can do with 4 solid NHL Dman, make the playoffs 2016-17 made it all the way to the Conference final.

      The season prior 2015-16; 19th 11 points out of a playoff spot, & following; 2017-18 30th 30 points out of a playoff spot, with only 3? Not good & you want to move out another 1. Ceci can play for my team & if that’s the cost for Edm to buy him that deal is done.

      Sweeney Ott’s having a fire sale, a cluster f— I know we don’t need another RHD but apparently, he’s available cheap.

    • I had to use Michael Shuckers’ NHL Draft Pick chart to evaluate this. It helped make it clearer for me. If you take the value of the 10th (565) and the 40th (208) and subtract the value of the 22nd (324) what you have left (449) is roughly the value between a 13th and 14th OA pick. Is Ceci worth a 14th OA pick on draft day? I don’t think so, but that doesn’t mean Charelli wouldn’t.

  4. Huuuuuge Parayko fan here

    I believe he’d be worth all they are asking for him

    Think young Pronger sans ‘tude and cheap shots

    Give them Kessel (taking back 1.3) and Sheary; but they must take TWSNBN

    Pens D set

    Sprong playing up

    Extra 5.25 M in Cap space towards UFA/trade winger

    …. alas another dream of mine …. so no go there

    However …. Ed should be aggressive on trying to get Parayko

    • I would trade Vlad before Parayko. He should be the most untouchable Blue. Unless Klefbom or Nurse+ Leon is a package with the Blues sending more as well

    • I don’t believe for one second that he’s actually available. I’m not knocking Kessel, but o don’t think he and Sheary are getting that done. Way too many wingers on the market. Minus 1.3 is a nice price for Kessel. But with Kovalchuk, Jvr, Perron (reunion?) , Neal etc hitting the open market, I don’t see them trading this asset away.

      • NY4L

        Ya … no way it gets done as I proposed and I highly doubt he moves

        I truly believe that Parayko will be top 2D for us next Olympics … that’s how keen I am on him

        I threw out the (1.3) on PK to basically match Parayko Cap hit

        I’ll throw out another whackadoodle STL/Pens trade

        PK+ TWSNBN for Bouwmeister (sp?) and Kyrou (who is NHL ready)

      • PK could be a backup option for Vegas.
        Not sure that is a healthy spot for PK to land…for off the ice

      • ds,

        I don’t think VGN would even think twice about Kessel …. not their type of player at all

      • @Pengy-agree for sure but Phil was great with Bonino+Hagelin 2 very ‘Vegas’ style players. I never thought of Perron as that type of player until what he did on the ice last season

      • Hunwick

    • I don’t even understand the Parayko speculation. Why would the Blues do this unless the return is massive, akin to Hall for Larsson

      • Taz

        I don’t think StL considering …. just that calls to them being made

        This would have to be a knock ur socks off type of offer

        There might also be a major 1 for 1 out there akin to Jones/Ryjo flip…. equal value up and coming D for up and coming forward… but who might that forward be? Mitch Marner perhaps?????

    • Hunwick

      • What’s with the “Hunwick” Is that “Matt Hunwick” of Pittsburgh your referring to?

        Why are you bringing up Matt Hunwick name? I did not see Matt Hunwick name on any trade rumors. Where did you see Matt Hunwick name.
        Matt Hunwick is under contract for two more years at $2.25 per year.
        Matt Hunwick isn’t being traded. Enjoy Matt Hunwick in Pittsburgh.

    • If StL moves Parayako I will be shocked. Moving this asset with this cap hit, age, & term makes no sense to me unless the offer is simply too good to refuse or you’re getting a better dman back. Similiar to Subban for Weber. I take the elite 2-way minute munching Dman over the flashy offensive Dman who isn’t a train wreck defensively but who gambles at the wrong time stinging hard.

      StL. has scoring coming in spades. Fabbri will be back. Thomas, Kyrou & Kostin are elite level offensive prospects then you still have Barbeshev cutting his teeth & the surprising Blias waiting in the wings.

      • St. Louis would be stupid to trade Parayko unless it was an absolutely crazy offer. His is a great value contract, already very good and still improving. This is a pipe dream for Edmonton as the only way it could work would be sacrificing Draisaitl, which also doesn’t make sense for Edmonton.

  5. Shocker that Chicago wants to dump Hossa’s cap hit for the next 3 years. How about this:

    To Ottawa

    Hossa
    2018 8th Overall
    2019 2nd round pick

    To Chicago

    Burrows (Possibly MacArthur? One year less than Hossa deal.)
    2018 22nd Overall pick (from Pittsburgh)

    Burrows in particular frees up a ton of cap space for Chicago the next three years and Ottawa has lots of cap room, especially if they trade Karlsson (I’m hoping not). Even with this, they can place Hossa and MacArthur on LTIR and have room to sign Karlsson, Duchene and Stone. I also expect Zack Smith to be traded today.

  6. Darren Dreger seems like a hard worker and good person, but boy he’s turned into such a Captain Obvious, its very hard to take him seriously.

    I’m trying to find the quote, but I think I read somewhere that he said something along the lines of ‘I’m pretty close to this, and I can tell you that there’s definitively no decision at this time’ regarding Tavares’ status.

    Whew! That’s a relief Darren. ._.

    Darren is likely a perfect summary guy for casual observers (who don’t come to sites like this for example) but for anyone slightly more into it.. yeahno.

  7. Hoffman for Boedker? Well if you’ll trade Dion Phaneuf for Marion Gaborik that sounds about right. Dorion and the Senators are the laughing stock of the league. He’ll get nothing for Karlsson.

    • Yeah. You tell ’em Arnie.

  8. It appears Ottawa by wanting to including Ryan in a trade are more concern with cap space then the assets coming back in return. If Vegas is willing to deal send them both to Vegas for Shea Theodore and I call that a win for Ottawa.

    • If I’m being required to take on Ryan’s cap hit & term it seriously reduces what I’m paying for Karlsson.

  9. I could be a pessimist, but I don’t think there will be many trades tonight. I think the Tavares and Kovalchuk free agents will hold up trades, since teams will want to reserve cap space for them. And that same cap space issue may hold up any E.Karlsson trade as well.

    and teams will want the Sabres to pay R O’Reilly’s 7/1 bonus payment, before they trade for him, regardless of how wealthy the acquiring team is. Has happened too many times before to change that.

    I could see Patioretty possibly getting traded today so the Habs can get another #1 pick, so they can grab a center and dman with their picks

  10. I think Tavares will head down the same path Stamkos did (although I think stamkos knew all along he’d be staying in Tampa, he just teased the idea of leaving to squeeze more money out of them). It’s a major decision to make and I think he will at least like to listen to other teams and weigh his options.
    As for Karlsson, that’s a tough situation for Dorion. I think the best option would be to try to extend him just to silence the media and then quietly take your time to try to find the right deal. As long as he feels the pressure to trade him now, he’ll never get even close to getting back market value

    • especially if Melnyk is forcing Dorion to make teams take Bobby Ryan’s contract in any EK deal

  11. Apparently Craig Anderson is on the block too. If so they may nrrd to hang on to Ryan to at least hit the Cap Floor. I could see Anderson going to the Islanders for a pick. Not sure how he stacks up against Grubauer but likely would not cost Islanders as much.

  12. A couple points. I don’t see Karlsson getting moved unless he really wants out. If he does get traded, I don’t see Vegas as a likely spot. They don’t believe they have many picks tonight (only 1 in first 3 rounds) would it be worth giving up the young prospects they drafted last year? When you speculate what Ottowa would want back , and the amount of guys that are free agents this year and next, what will be left? Also, with Duchene also in last year of contract…if people really think Karlsson is getting moved, wjy isn’t anyone talking Duchene trades?

  13. I cannot imagine why Karlsson would want to stay. He will make more money elsewhere because Eugene will not pay, and if he is traded before July 1, whichever Team signs him will be allowed to extend him for 8 years, not 7, if I understand correctly, for more money than he will make in Ottawa. As for Duchene, they still need to ice a team and will need a decent player with a higher salary to help them be at or above the Cap Floor. IMHO.

    • Again, if you can’t imagine a guy who’s the face of the team staying, why would Duchene?

  14. I’d be interested in knowing the consensus of this board on the RoR value to Montreal.
    Can he be landed with the 3rd overall or would Montreal need to add? Or would Buffalo need to add.

    • I say buffalo would have to add maybe a second rounder.

  15. Pengy…
    Wanted to pick your brain?
    Do you think it’s time to move on from Phil Kessel and Matt Hunwick?

    Asking for a friend.

    • Nicola,

      Nice… you’re getting my drift

      Was in meetings for last 3 hours so just reading this now

      Kessel at his peak … I’m convinced … trade now and return vs what he’ll give the Penguins if he stayed is much greater

      As for the other part of ur post …. I can’t even say his name ….

      I was in pain watching him with my home Leafs

      I’ve been in even more pain watching him on Pens

      Complete waste of $2.25M

      He MUST go! 🙁

      • Sorry bcola … auto correct called you Nicola

        I’ve got to learn to read before I hit send

  16. would Dorian offer Ryan with $2m retained to CHI for HOSSA as Melnyk will be paying less $$ out and only eat the cap

    or Gaborik & Z. Smith for Hossa…

    it’ll free cash to sign Karlsson closer to what he wants

    • I don’t see how taking on Gaborik and Smith for Hossa helps Chicago. I’d be all over that if I’m Ottawa. Smith is a good third line player, but Gaborik would be more helpful on LTIR. Unless Ottawa/Chicago already know Gaborik is essentially retired, I doubt this works for Chicago.

      I also think it makes no sense for Ottawa to buy out Gaborik this summer. 6 years of dead cap space is way too long. Next summer the cost and dead cap space drops significantly and that may work. I’d ride it our for two more years before considering a buyout. Hopefully, they can simply place him on LTIR like Toronto did with Robidas and Lupul the last few years.

    • IHC

      like that idea of BR for Hossa with take back for balanced salaries… BR on Chi’s book for one year after Hossa off

      However… Chi is getting a player for basically no more cap hit … actual Sal not a worry as they have a ton

      With that in mind I believe Chi would need to sweaten the pot … I think if they flip 1st rounders 8th to Ottw and 22nd to Chi