NHL Rumor Mill – September 8, 2018

by | Sep 8, 2018 | Rumors | 46 comments

Latest on Artemi Panarin, Sergei Bobrovsky, Max Pacioretty and Taylor Hall in your NHL Rumor Mill.

Artemi Panarin has an uncertain future with the Columbus Blue Jackets. (Photo via NHL Images)

NO CERTAINTY PANARIN, BOBROVSKY BEGIN SEASON WITH BLUE JACKETS

NHL.COM: In an interview with Tom Gulitti, Columbus Blue Jackets general manager Jarmo Kekalainen wouldn’t guarantee left wing Artemi Panarin or goaltender Sergei Bobrovsky will still be with the club when the regular season opens next month.

“I can’t,” Kekalainen said. “In this business, there’s always talks between the general managers whether you’ve got pending free agents or not. We talk regularly. Sometimes there’s trades. So I’m not speculating on them. I’m just saying we talk all the time, so I wouldn’t say about any player whether they’re a pending free agent or not that they’ll be on our team in October because anything can happen between now and Oct. 3.”

Panarin and Bobrovsky are both eligible to become unrestricted free agents next July. Gulitti believes it’s likely the duo “will remain unsigned beyond this season when Columbus opens training camp Sept. 14.” Kekalainen declined to say how long the club is willing to wait if there’s no progress in contract talks.

TVA SPORTS: Panarin’s agent, Dan Milstein, told The Athletic he expects his client will start this season with the Blue Jackets despite his unwillingness to talk contract when training camp opens on Sept. 14.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: It’s possible one or both could be traded before the start of the season but I doubt that’s going to happen. The Jackets hope to become Stanley Cup contenders this season. To do that, they need their leading scorer (Panarin) and their top goaltender (Bobrovsky). If Kekalainen were to move one of them, Panarin is the more likely candidate. However, I think the Jackets GM could wait and see how this season unfolds.

PACIORETTY DENIES TRADE REQUEST

TSN: Montreal Canadiens captain Max Pacioretty told Off the Cuff with Chris Nilan on TSN 690 that he never requested a trade last February. “And I can confidently say that. Things come out in Montreal, especially in the summer. There’s going to be stories and it is what it is and we can’t control that.” Pacioretty also said he has no intention of negotiating a contract extension once the season opens next month, though he reiterated that he loves living and working in Montreal.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: If the intent of those who told the Montreal media that Pacioretty requested a trade was to make him look bad, their efforts failed. He is now seen in more of a sympathetic light by fans and media than he was before those reports came out. Meanwhile, speculation grows over whether the Canadiens will move him before the season begins. 

COULD HALL ONE DAY RETURN TO THE OILERS?

EDMONTON JOURNAL: David Staples cites Oilers insider Bob Stauffer musing over the possibility of New Jersey Devils left wing Taylor Hall one day returning to Edmonton. The Oilers dealt Hall to the Devils two years ago for defenseman Adam Larsson. He will become eligible for UFA status in July 2020. Staples feels Stauffer “is having some fun here with the kind of speculative talk that makes for good radio” and doesn’t put much weight behind the notion of Hall returning to the Oilers. 

SPECTOR’S NOTE: I agree that we should “never say never,” but I doubt we’ll see Hall signing with the Oilers in two years time. Staples puts it best: “It’s hard to imagine that with $21 million tied up in Connor McDavid and Leon Draisaitl for the next seven years that the Edmonton Oilers could afford a $9 million winger per year under the cap, let alone an $11 million per winger.”

 








46 Comments

  1. TOR sends:
    W. Nylander

    CAR sends:
    J. Faulk
    #2 2019 BUF

    Leafs sign Faulk to a 5 year $6m extension at the end of this year costing less than Nylander and filling a bigger current hole than Nylander will leave with his departure.

    Leaf lineup:
    Marleau/Matthews/Kapanen
    Hyman/Tavares/Marner
    Johnsson/Kadri/Brown
    Leivo/Lindholm/Ennis

    Rielly/Faulk
    Gardiner/Zaitsev
    Dermott/Hainsey
    (Carrick)

    Andersen
    Sparks

    CAR lineup:
    Aho/Rask/Svechnikov
    Maenalanen/Teravainen/Nylander
    Ferland/Staal/Williams
    McGinn/Wallmark/Zykov

    Slavin/Hamilton
    DeHaan/Pesce
    Fleurey/TVR

    Darling
    Mrazek

    Fire away with your criticisms!

    • HH,

      I’ve consistently said that Leafs must improve their D. This does but they’d still need to improve some more to get SC IMO.

      I like Faulk but don’t love him… good Dman … was hoping for larger impact on D

      Nylander as the key trade bait for move on D …most logical

      I think Dubas would demand more than a second in the trade though

      Lineups as you’ve presented seem logical…. minor tweaks maybe…. just can’t see trade happening as proposed

      • Tor’s D is improving with each passing game. All you need do is look at the age & NHL experience of who they have now. With the exception of Hainsey, Gardner is the next oldest having just turned 28 & early into his prime years for NHL Dman. Gardiner was a little late starting his NHL career as he played 3 years in College but then wasted no time stepping straight into the NHL as a rookie in 2011-12 playing as Tor’s #2 essentially, 21:35 TOI/GP, 7 seconds a game behind Gunnarson at #2, Phaneuf lead Tor that season with 25:17.

        He lead all rookie Dman in scoring with 30 points, ironically Faulk was 2nd with 22 but only played 66 games.

        It’s a very long road for Dman to fully develop in the NHL especially from a defensive perspective. Offence is displayed 1st but learning to play at this speed in these systems takes most NHL Dman 400 regular season games.

        Reilly age 24 season, 388 NHL regular season games.
        Zaitsev, 27, 142 & age doesn’t accelerate the learning process much still has to learn just started later.
        Carrick, 24, 167 games.
        Dermott, 22, 37 games.

        Gardiner is now a veteran Dman on this team, again having just turned 28 with 489 NHL regular season games. We all know what happened to Gardiner as he approached 400 NHL regular season games, he blossomed offensively posting 43 points & a + 29 in 2016-17 followed up by 52 points & a +9 last season logging huge minutes for Tor. 1 of the top 20 offensive Dman in the game today who isn’t Shattenkirk, Barrie, Leddy, etc. bad defensively.

      • Don’t confuse not being as bad as other offensive Dman, as Gardiner is a very good defensive player. He’s not but he isn’t a total train wreck he just isn’t paid to be a shutdown Dman but an offensive 1 that helps drive offence in multiple ways.

      • Actually Striker Toronto D is regressing not improving with each passing game.
        In their last game Jake Gardiner was a minus 5, that is not an improvement from his previous game.

      • Ha-ha!

        Yes, I get people here are very short-sighted but 1 game is a new high or is that low?

        I think most here watched that game, I know you & I did & Gardiner struggled but he wasn’t responsible for all that went bad to come out -5, the breakdowns on at least 3 of those goals happened long before it got to Gardiner.

        There are so many ways the NHL could modify this stat to make it more relevant & meaningful not the least of which is giving a player in the box a minus if the other team scores on the PP. They could also make it more like most other meaningless stats the NHL tracks other than goals & assists, more subjective. In this situation I like to use the Steve Smith gaff as an example, coming out behind his net goes to pass the puck hits Fuhr’s skate & goes in the net. Only 1 person should get a minus for that goal, Smith.

    • It’s a reasonable trade so Toronto fans will hate it

      • It is reasonable – dont hate it…but would take a polite pass!

    • Do you like Gardiner? As Faulk is the same player basically defensively & not as good offensively. His real value offensively is his heavy shot which he gets off often, Gardiner can shoot but pass & is a solid transitional Dman as well that can jump up & even lead a rush. No room in Tor for both these Dman.

      • Hi striker by the way belated happy 56th birthday always so nice to be 56 at one time ….I can hardly remember when… oh yeah it was only last year that I was 56

        Yes Faulk/Gardner highly similar players but neither of them in my honest opinion are the answer if they are considered to be the top D on the Leafs

        There were some sort if nursery rhyme that I remember from when I was very very small…it had something to do with when he was good he was very very good but when he was bad he was horrid and that’s what comes to mind when I think of Gardner

        I can’t back this up statistically … this is all from my subjective viewing …. I think I only missed watching a handful of Leafs games this year and my subjective thoughts of him were tremendous flashes of brilliance but also some real bonehead moves …. maybe for every 5 good games ; 2 clunkers … again all subjective… and I don’t have stats to back it up… so has to be taken with a grain of salt … but with that skewed and highly subjective analysis as a base… I view him as good at best and that he won’t be great.

        Regardless …. I stick with my (again highly subjective and sparsely shared) opinion that Leafs will not win SC without a D upgrade… reg season …. no issues.
        Playoff structure as is, and Leafs as is, IMO… won’t get Leafs past Div finals let alone Conf finals

        Leafs … prove me wrong

        Off to do my reg Sat grocery shopping so will be out of loop for a few hours

        …. BTW … Go Argos!!!

      • Pengy I agree I just take the good with the bad & for Gardiner, he does more good than bad. That’s not to say sometimes he doesn’t leave me scratching my head in bewilderment.

        Thank you for the birthday wishes very low key with just my wife & 3 boys. September is a brutal travel month. Heading to our annual Beerfest excursion in Victoria BC today. Overnighter as we live up island, well I live on the road except in the summer when I try to stay home as much as able.

        I don’t see the Leafs doing anything rash until we see what is going to happen with Dman like Myers, Trouba, Ceci, Schmidt & to a lesser extent Edler, Stralman, hell Gardiner is a UFA next summer what’s Tor doing there as if they aren’t retaining him there will be a bidding war for his services.

      • Gardiner can look like a #2 the odd night but a #4-5 most. He can push some offence but…hey, about Faulk for Gardiner straight up…ya let’s do that. I’ll have the car running!

    • Not a good move for the Loafs – they really need d’men who are good at defending in their own zone, and Faulk’s strength is as an offensive defenseman, and would not be much help at the other end of thee ice.

      • “Thank you for the birthday wishes very low key with just my wife & 3 boys. September is a brutal travel month. Heading to our annual Beerfest excursion in Victoria BC today. Overnighter as we live up island, well I live on the road except in the summer when I try to stay home as much as able.”

        Oh, did I type in facebook.com by mistake?

    • I’m not thrilled with toss-in of the BUF pick, but the basic framework (Nylander/Faulk) should work.

      Faulk, while not the D that TOR needs, is an upgrade over what they have. It’s certainly debatable how much of an upgrade that is.

      Nylander gives CAR some (at least slight) experience to the offense, which they desperately need. I love the makings of this team in 2 years, but right now they need some experience up front at a reasonable salary. This accomplishes that.

      Make it a 2109 third or our 2020 2nd rounder and you have a deal.

    • Carolina needs Kadri not Nylander.

      • Carolina doesn’t even need Kadri nor Nylander really. Stay the course, Necas will step straight into the NHL at C & play in an offensive roll. Wallmark has to clear waivers so he plays in Carolina gets traded or will be lost as a UFA. With Rask & stalk that is Carolina’s top 4 C’s next season.

        Kadri isn’t going any where. His contract is already an incredible steak & with each passing year just gets better & better financially allowing for monies to be spent else where.

      • Or will be lost on waivers not as a UFA

      • Fair enough, Striker, but part of the lure of this deal is that, frankly, CAR doesn’t need Faulk anymore. He’s a $6M ($4.8 hit) luxury item as the 3 RD (and I would argue he’s the 4RD/PP specialist). If you can upgrade the forward lines and maybe save a few actual dollars, why not make that deal?

      • of course, I wouldn’t touch that deal until you know Nylander’s putting his signature on something.

      • Faulk is going to get moved before that contract expires but he will be no lower than 3rd in TOI/GP & his icetime nominally less than Slavin or Hamilton.

      • I’m assuming Slavin/Pesce will be the #1 pair for another year. That puts Hamilton/deHaan as the #2. That leaves Faulk or vanRiemsdyk as the 3 RD, and Fleury/vanRiemsdyk-off/or Carrick as the 3 LD.

        Granted Faulk would get lots of PP time, but I don’t see how he’s better than a No.5. A nice problem to have for CAR.

    • I think that is a fair trade both teams get what they need. This is one of the few times someone has posted a trade that is realistic.

    • What about the Nylander for Nurse (plus a sweetener) rumour that floated around? I’d think a player like Kapanen straight across for Nurse would be more likely but who knows what value a big mean D-man like Nurse who’s just hitting his prime might hold with GM’S.these days?? I absolutely love Nurse’s game but a young gunner like Nylander on McDavid’s wing would be beautiful.

      • Kapanen for Nurse?! That is completely laughable from an Oilers perspective. Nurse is a potential top 2D, which Edmonton desperately needs. If you track what legit top 4 defenseman have been traded for the last few years, it is much more than just a good prospect, especially when they have 4 more years of team control. Kapanen hasn’t proven anything yet.

        I actually don’t think Edmonton would trade Nurse straight up for Nylander. That one is possible, but no signficant sweetener would be added on either side. There would likely be more pieces involved in that deal.

  2. Hall…..One day being back in Ed… maybe in the waning years of his career but pretty well zero chance in his 20’s

    It would be exciting …but nyet for now

    If just a few of these big name UFAs take the JT path …. Canada Day next year is going to be absolutely nuts….

    EK, Seguin, Panarin ,Patches, Bobo, Stone, Duche, Ebs , Skins, Staal, Big Joe, Little Joe, Varla, Schmidt, Myers,

    and ….. Cam Ward (just joking —LOL)

  3. Kekalainen is spot on. I have heard other gms during interviews that every player, every day ( 50+) on their team gets discussed . Plus I would include up coming draft prospects and tryout offer players.If every team does something similar and it is on going, that is what keeps the rumour alive.

    Edmonton is going to be hard pressed to add any dollars for a while. Hall is definitely a no go. I think that is another reason, in addition of position need, is why he was traded in the first place.

  4. Panarin, Karlsson and Pacioretty who gets traded first? who traded before the season starts and who if anyone doesn’t until the trade deadline?
    Pacioretty will be traded first before the season starts, followed by Karlsson also before the season starts. Panarin will be held onto until the trade deadline and potentially all season if the Jackets are contenders. Unless there is a real strong offer from another team.

    • Shouldn’t we have listed every other pending UFA next summer? I got my 8-Ball out, the plastic round 1 that was sold as a toy, my Ouiji board and asked which 1’s will be traded 1st. It came out as follows.

      T O T A L B S

      I didn’t even know we had 2 pending UFA’s who’s names started with T & there wasn’t a K or a P to be seen.

      I asked it again as it didn’t list enough players it said the following.

      T H E R E S T W I L L W A L K A S U F A S

      Ha-ha!

      • The rest have not been in this forum on or in the media on a daily bases, Seguin a little but otherwise the only one(s) I mentioned are discussed here daily.
        C’mon Striker stick your neck out a little.

      • I’m just rousting you Caper. I just don’t really care who goes 1st, 2nd or other.

        Both teams have kind of bungled both situations but can still come out ahead, at this point can either be moved to a team that can retain them or are they going as rentals. Futures will be attached regardless but if neither is willing to sign long-term where they get traded the return is going to be disappointing. That is the bigger issue for me.

        Nor do I get why Mon wouldn’t have at least had discussions with Patches about an extension. I get his demands may be more than they are willing to pay in both monies & term. It’s obvious he wants more than 6 years at 6 having rejected such with LA & in fairness based on comparables accounting for his age he should get it. He may though have to wait till next summer & take it as a UFA, not a good scenario for Mon.

        I keep reading & hearing how this compares to Duchene’s situation in Col last summer. Not directed at you but for me not similar in the slightest, Duchene had 2 years remaining & is a C, not an LW. This significantly alters the potential return & it did. These talking heads keep saying Mon could get something similar I don’t see it but Mon should get more than Carolina got for Skinner, that was a joke. Unless Pu makes it to the top 2 lines in the NHL eventually Carolina lost that deal at point of trade.

      • Caper: I’ll give it a try. Pacioretty is my guess to be traded first and potentially in the next couple weeks. Bergevin has done a great job of botching the situation and lessening his value, but I could see someone giving up a decent package for Pacioretty and have all year to extend him.

        Next in line is Karlsson (though I hate this) and I bet that happens around the 20-25 game mark like Duchene last year. My gut is telling me Vegas will pull the trigger with Theodore, a 1st and other picks/prospects (not Glass, one of Suzuki or Brannstrom). Karlsson is a great fit for that team and they can pay him whatever he wants.

        Panarin will get traded, but I’m guessing it will be closer to the deadline like Stastny from St. Louis last year. I don’t view Columbus as a cup contender (playoffs yes, but not top 5 team in league) and they can’t afford to lose him for nothing.

        Off topic, but it is so typical of TSN and Seravalli to troll Sens fans the way they did with the Duchene article yesterday. The comment they used was very out of context when listening to the rest of the interview. The interesting thing I got from the interview was that it sounded like Karlsson was a big part of the team chemistry problem and that Duchene/Stone are aligned in their thinking. Duchene said he and Stone both loved Ottawa and it sounded like they could be there long term depending on how things look early this year. The Sens rookies, in particular Tkachuk, looked great yesterday against Montreal’s rookies and some could surprise this year.

      • Striker: Looks like we posted around the same time. I agree that Pacioretty won’t return as much as Duchene did last summer. For starters, Ottawa gave up too much and essentially got nothing for Turris or the prospects/picks package. As you pointed out, Duchene is a centre and had 2 years left on his deal, not one. Next, centres are at a premium over wingers. Lastly, Pacioretty is a couple years older than Duchene, which makes a difference when you are approaching 30.

      • Van.

        Solid points, I hadn’t really added the age dynamic with Patches being almost 3 years older than Duchene & it is a factor as well especially looking long term.

        What I find interesting about the real world versus the fantasy world of hockey pools & fantasy leagues is there is no easier position to fill than C in the alternate universe.

  5. Hi striker by the way belated happy 56th birthday always so nice to be 56 at one time ….I can hardly remember when… oh yeah it was only last year that I was 56

    Yes Faulk/Gardner highly similar players but neither of them in my honest opinion are the answer if they are considered to be the top D on the Leafs

    There were some sort if nursery rhyme that I remember from when I was very very small…it had something to do with when he was good he was very very good but when he was bad he was horrid and that’s what comes to mind when I think of Gardner

    I can’t back this up statistically … this is all from my subjective viewing …. I think I only missed watching a handful of Leafs games this year and my subjective thoughts of him were tremendous flashes of brilliance but also some real bonehead moves …. maybe for every 5 good games ; 2 clunkers … again all subjective… and I don’t have stats to back it up… so has to be taken with a grain of salt … but with that skewed and highly subjective analysis as a base… I view him as good at best and that he won’t be great.

    Regardless …. I stick with my (again highly subjective and sparsely shared) opinion that Leafs will not win SC without a D upgrade… reg season …. no issues.

    Playoff structure as is, and Leafs as is, IMO… won’t get Leafs past Div finals let alone Conf finals

    Leafs … prove me wrong
    Off to do my reg Sat grocery shopping so will be out of loop for a few hours

    …. BTW … Go Argos!!!

  6. UFA’s next summer of consequence being moved, shot in the dark as to the order.

    Patches, Karlsson, Skinner, Duchene, Stone, Eberle.

    I don’t think Columbus can afford to move Panarin nor Bobrovsky unless it happens soon & they can get something back that helps now even if in a lesser role. I’m not paying Bobrovsky more than he makes now if he wants Price, Lundqvist monies see you later, we’ll adapt.

    I consider almost any team that can get to the playoffs to be a cup contender & a team that does so comfortably like Columbus will although on paper not as likely as say a TB, Win or Nas in such a short run 2.5 months especially if a goalie stands on his head at just the right time anything can happen.

    How many cup winners has anyone here picked over say the last decade before the season eve starts? I’m 3 for 10. Picking before the playoffs start over the same timeline, 4 for 10. Not very good.

    Bookies are picking TB, Tor, Nas & Win as cup favourites next season. Boy did they go out on a limb 3 of those teams, they finished 1, 2, 3 in the standings last season & Tor finished 7th. What I do know is the odds of probability say not a chance all 4 of those teams can do so again, nor is it likely even 2 will faceoff in the cup final. Not impossible, just unlikely & improbable at least based on the odds of probability.

    There is a better than 60% chance the cup winner doesn’t come from those 4. Anyone of a group of about 10 teams, 12 mathematicly could just as easily do so.

    • What about Tyler Seguin….He’s coming back to Boston in case you haven’t heard.

      • Ha-ha! That would be a miracle.

    • Leafs make the PO’s no matter what due to a sad sad division.
      Starts & ends there

      An overrated team yet to prove anything much at all.

      Cue Kadri & the PO’s are unfair lol

      • The overrating ignore some facts. Every discussion of the Leafs talks about Tavares but forgets that they lost 36 goals in Van Riemsdyck plus more in Bozak. They also don’t acknowledge that Andersen bailed the terrible defense out a lot. If he regresses, which is probably, they’ll have real trouble keeping the puck out of the next. The over/under on whether they will be better probably favors the under somewhat. It mostly depends on Andersen, not Tavares.

  7. Gardiner at 28 & still cannot figure out D. Saying he finally gets it is hilarious. Overrated.

    As for Faulk the asking price holds up any deal if he’s even being shopped. I doubt he is but if so a C like Kadri makes sense. Wingers are a dime a dozen if wanted bad enough.

    Lastly a poll…

    MB fired before or after Xmas?
    My pick is before

    • Gordie: I think it will be before. He has completely botched the Pacioretty situation and with Weber out a big chunk of the year, Montreal is likely to be pretty bad unless Price stands on his head. Bergevin should have been fired a year ago.

      • You’re probably bang on there, Van, but replaced by who exactly? It’s not as if Montreal can fish in the same pool as the other 30 teams for their GMs and coaches, what with the imposed watered-down caveat.

  8. MB toasted before the draft and after their long regular season

  9. Bobrovsky and Panarin for Price and Patch great for both teams