NHL Rumor Mill – December 18, 2018

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What next for the Flyers? Are the Leafs concerned about offer sheets for Auston Matthews and Mitch Marner? Will the Capitals trade Andre Burakovsky. Check out the latest in today’s NHL rumor mill.

MORE CHANGES COMING FOR THE FLYERS?

ESPN.COM: In the wake of the Philadelphia Flyers replacing head coach Dave Hakstol yesterday with Scott Gordon on an interim basis, Greg Wyshynski offers up some suggestions to improve their fortunes. While noting Flyers general manager Chuck Fletcher saying he hasn’t spoken with the Chicago Blackhawks about former Blackhawks coach Joel Quenneville, Wyshynski believes it’s time to do so.

Among his other suggestions: trading pending free agent Wayne Simmonds for a “bounty of assets”, target St. Louis Blues defenseman Alex Pietrangelo or bring in Tampa Bay Lightning blueliner Anton Stralman, and perhaps attempt to offer sheet Lightning center Brayden Point next summer.

Having replaced their head coach, should the Philadelphia Flyers consider moving Wayne Simmonds? (Photo via NHL Images)

SPECTOR’S NOTE: Fletcher may not have spoken to the Blackhawks about Quenneville but there’s ongoing speculation that he could at some point. The question, of course, is whether Quenneville sees the Flyers as a fit. Given his long, successful coaching career, the Flyers wouldn’t be the only club interested in his services.

Simmonds could be shopped by the February trade deadline if he and Fletcher can’t reach agreement on a new contract. He might fetch a couple of draft picks (perhaps a first-rounder) and a quality prospect.

Targeting Pietrangelo is one thing, coming up with the Blues’ hefty asking price is another, assuming he’s even willing to waive his no-trade clause. An easier target could be Stralman if the Lightning decides to stick with youngster Erik Cernak this season. Otherwise, they’ll have to wait until Stralman becomes a UFA in July.

Pitching an offer sheet to Point assumes he’s willing to sign one. He could be content to stick with the Lightning, even if they have to shed some salary to make room for the hefty pay raise he’s likely to seek. Perhaps GM Julien BriseBois can weave the same magic Steve Yzerman used to use to convince Steven Stamkos, Nikita Kucherov, and Victor Hedman to accept less than market value to stay in Tampa Bay. 

LEAFS UNCONCERNED ABOUT POTENTIAL OFFER SHEETS FOR MATTHEWS, MARNER

SPORTSNET: Toronto Maple Leafs GM Kyle Dubas isn’t worried about Auston Matthews and Mitch Marner becoming possible offer-sheet targets this summer. “Our salary cap situation is set up that we could defend any of those threats with no worry at all,” Dubas said after Monday’s practice. “I spend zero percent of my time having any worry about that.”

The high compensation price of four first-round picks and the threat of future retaliation have made general managers reluctant to employ offer sheets in recent years.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: Cap Friendly indicates the Leafs currently have just over $56.275 million invested in 12 players for next season. Assuming the salary cap for 2019-20 rises to $83 million as recently projected by league commissioner Gary Bettman, the Leafs will have around $26.8 million available. That’s more than enough to match offers for either guy, assuming they haven’t used up too much of that cap space beforehand signing other players.

While it’s possible a notable player could receive an offer sheet next summer, TSN’s Bob McKenzie is skeptical. “I’ll believe it when I see it”, he told Toronto’s TSN 1050 yesterday. He said he gave up on the notion of offer sheets this past summer when Ottawa Senators winger Mark Stone didn’t receive one.

McKenzie felt the Stone situation was tailor-made for an offer sheet. “Because you could have given a one-year offer sheet on Mark Stone and the Ottawa Senators would not – if they matched it – they would not have been able to trade him this year. They would have had to let him walk to free agency,” he said.  While McKenzie said it’s his understanding some teams considered that option, no one went for it. 

LATEST ON BURAKOVSKY

THE WASHINGTON POST: Isabelle Khurshudyan noted this weekend’s Sportsnet report claiming the Capitals were fielding calls on Andre Burakovsky, who’s seen his ice time reduced this season and was a healthy scratch from the club’s last three games. While they’re listening to offers, Khurshudyan said they’re not in a rush to move the 23-year-old winger and aren’t actively shopping him. The Capitals remain hopeful Burakovsky can pick up his play whenever he gets back in the lineup and performs well enough to earn himself a new contract. He’s slated to become a restricted free agent next summer.

There’s speculation Burakovsky could be a trade chip to bring in a defenseman in the wake of Christian Djoos absence due to thigh surgery. Khurshudyan notes the Capitals’ top-two defense pairings are set and the third one is playing well as Brooks Orpik recovers from arthroscopic knee surgery. She considers it unlikely they’ll trade Burakovsky for someone who can’t play significant minutes for them.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: The Vancouver Canucks were reportedly among the clubs interested in Burakovsky. It appears this isn’t a move the Capitals are in a hurry to make. Perhaps that will change as the season progresses. If Burakovsky’s performance improves it’ll bolster his trade value but will also be a good reason for the Capitals to retain him.  

UPDATES ON THE ISLANDER AND BLUE JACKETS

OTTAWA SUN: Bruce Garrioch reports there’s talk New York Islanders GM Lou Lamoriello would like to be active in the trade market but can’t find a dance partner.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: No word from Garrioch as to what Lamoriello could be seeking. It’s worth remembering he’s the most secretive of NHL GMs. 

Columbus Blue Jackets GM Jarmo Kekalainen is said to be working the phones but isn’t getting much interest on center Alexander Wennberg. “That makes sense because he’s got a deal that runs through 2022-23 with a cap hit of $4.9 million.”

 







80 Comments

  1. You better believe the Leafs are concerned about offer sheets, and though they will be able to match any offer, it will make life harder for them moving forward.

    I don’t think GMs will be that concerned about backlash if they land one of those 2 guys. Any GM that gets Matthews for 4 first rounders will be a legend…

    • That’s assuming Matthews and Marner are willing to sign offer sheets. That’s one of the reasons why they don’t occur that often. Most players simply aren’t interested. If Matthews and Marner are determined to stay in Toronto, they probably won’t be accepting offer sheet proposals.

      • That’s one of the key considerations Lyle, I think another and equally important is the real lack of desire for GMs to present offer sheets.

        My opinion on this is it really reflects the volume of high-end young talent entering the league the last few years and I expect that to grow. GMs don’t want to affect their own cap situations down the road by being part of another team’s negotiations for their RFAs.

        At the end of the day, one of the strongest elements on the player side during second contract discussions is the ‘comparable’. If GMs keep driving up salary via offer sheets, that comparable will come back and bite them eventually.

      • If I were the agents I would be using the threat as a means to drive up the price . I don’t think an offer sheet will be signed at the end of the day but if Bobby Orr’s comments shortly after “we can and will” are any indication , he plans on using that threat to do just that . He said in one of his interviews “it’s almost like John Tavares free agency” , what else could he possibly mean by that ??

      • Accept them or not, it will raise the cost of keeping them.

    • Good morning…….. Happy Holidays 🙂

      LEAFS

      Marner is my favorite player ..

      but if he and or Matthews take an offer sheet …so be it …why would I want players on my team that don’t want to be there ..if they have alternate motives other than being a Leaf ( which they will do just fine there $$$$)

      …than LEAVE as a matter of fact Matthews as been AWOL since he got back …he is growing into being a floater …and his style of game is really starting to remind me of Phil Kessel at that age …a great sniper who refuses to play a hard game or be engaged and play 2 shift in every game and then just do what ever! I like Matthews he is a generational talent but there are some things that have come up the past 3 years that are starting to become a trend and worry me with his play !
      Would I trade him of course not …I have written extensively on his talent …but he is not proving to be a big moment hockey player and dissapears for stretches of games at a time …Once again I know that this is going to be jumped on but its true …things are not all that rosey and I feel Iam honest and fair guy in my positions and comments with all players around the league….not just the Leafs.

      FLYERS

      I know that the Flyers are having serious issues with Goalies and injuries right now not to mention justquality…but Iam really concerned in bringing up carter Hart and giving him the net at this point in his development and where the team is …the other goalies have been getting lit up and giving up nearly field goals in most games and can not handle a lead late into the game…..Hart has struggled in his first year pro in the minors and was really bad in the early part of the season ….he has strung together 4 solid wins of late and played better but this god potentially be devastating if he gets lit up which I think he will because every goalie has been this far in a Flyers uniform and he is still down the totem pole….this is not a good position for the Flyers to be in and Fletcher needs a Goalie ASAP to take the helm not Carter Hart…..being a goalie myself I know Carter Hart is welcoming this opportunity as he should its amazing ….but the ramifications long term could be serious if this goes the way I think it could go.

      • SORRY ….GUYS ….

        I LIVE IN THE COUNTRY AND MY INTERNET IS ACTING UP …….

        MY APOLOGIES ON THE DOUBLE POST LYLE!!

      • Hey. I really was curious yesterday how you think nylander is not as good as kap but kap will accept almost half as much money over only two years?

      • As stated …my apologies about the double post !

      • @ Chrisms

        I think Nylander is a better play maker than Kappy …but in all other facets of the game I would say that Kappy is a much better rounded player and will give you more in other areas that Nylander will NEVER give !

        In regards to your question about his RFA status and what he will accept …I have no idea what he will take or what he or his agent feels his evaluation is personally …but his process in comparison to Nylanders getting to the NHL I would say has an impact on his first contract and what it would be as a Leaf …I would LOVE to see the Kappy signed longer term and get paid …will it happen with the Leafs Iam not sure …if the Leafs offer him a contract I see it as a bridge to start thats all ..in the overall BIG PICTURE I see Kappy as a $5.5 million dollar player as of right now for his first long term contract and is very similar to a Patrick Hornqvist situation… …but if he wants to be a Leaf long term I have a felling that is what the offer will be and his evaluation ..not necesarily what he will take or make ?

        Does that make sense?? 🙁

      • absolutely right about AM!!

      • Right about AM!

      • With all do respect..Matthews is a 200ft. Player hes not 100%..and its funny who the leafs are the only team that will have offer sheet talk Lol..the jets? Avalanche? Tampa? And talk about the coyotes?(Matthews) 🙄Lol ..first if Florida doesn’t get relocated to Houston..then the desert dogs will! Their debts are more than the franchise is worth!!..the ownership is desperately trying to get the NHL to value it at 500mil..good luck..maybe they can ask mlse for a loan😳

    • Good morning…….. Happy Holidays 🙂

      LEAFS

      Marner is my favorite player ..

      but if he and or Matthews take an offer sheet …so be it …why would I want players on my team that don’t want to be there ..if they have alternate motives other than being a Leaf ( which they will do just fine there $$$$)

      …than LEAVE as a matter of fact Matthews as been AWOL since he got back …he is growing into being a floater …and his style of game is really starting to remind me of Phil Kessel at that age …a great sniper who refuses to play a hard game or be engaged and play 2 shift in every game and then just do what ever! I like Matthews he is a generational talent but there are some things that have come up the past 3 years that are starting to become a trend and worry me with his play !
      Would I trade him of course not …I have written extensively on his talent …but he is not proving to be a big moment hockey player and dissapears for stretches of games at a time …Once again I know that this is going to be jumped on but its true …things are not all that rosey and I feel Iam honest and fair guy in my positions and comments with all players around the league….not just the Leafs.

      FLYERS

      I know that the Flyers are having serious issues with Goalies and injuries right now not to mention just quality…but Iam really concerned in bringing up carter Hart and giving him the net at this point in his development and where the team is …the other goalies have been getting lit up and giving up nearly field goals in most games and can not handle a lead late into the game…..Hart has struggled in his first year pro in the minors and was really bad in the early part of the season ….he has strung together 4 solid wins of late and played better but this god potentially be devastating if he gets lit up which I think he will because every goalie has been this far in a Flyers uniform and he is still down the totem pole….this is not a good position for the Flyers to be in and Fletcher needs a Goalie ASAP to take the helm not Carter Hart…..being a goalie myself I know Carter Hart is welcoming this opportunity as he should its amazing ….but the ramifications long term could be serious if this goes the way I think it could go.

    • Great articles by an author on hb and I wanna say ken on thn highlighted the sheer amount of elc ending this year with superior performances. I wouldn’t be surprised to see offer sheets be a component of next offseason. That being said, since there are currently at least ten players worth offersheeting if none occur the nhl should underline this process to either modify or eliminate. I’d prefer modified. Make it slightly less expensive.

      • Chrism, you asked about the difference between Kap and Nylander based on a post from another Leaf poster. Here is a summary:

        Nylander is a more agile skater, better stickhandler, significantly greater hockey IQ and can create and pass almost at Marner’s level. Nylander can drive a line.

        Kap can do none of the things I just described anywhere near the level of Nylander. Kap is a faster skater, has as good a shot as Nylander and does have some level of creativity.

        The most important element in my opinion is Kap is far easier to replace then Nylander.

      • Yeah it was more for kal as he was on quite a tangent about the leafs and in the same thread said kap was better than nylander then said kap would come in at 4 mil two year bridge. I’m just trying to wrap my head around the thought process there

      • lol don’t bother, Kapanen is no Nylander, very fast yes and if his hands moved at half the speed of his feet then he would be a very dangerous player but playmaking, hockey IQ and over all skill Nylander is by far the better player. Guys comparing players who sat till a couple weeks ago to a guy who has a 3 month head start is odd to say the least

    • What about Winnipeg?..they have three .Carolina (cap team)..avalanche?..oh ya their players are crap!!..lol..only leaf players are good enough!..before J.T. signed he spoke to Matthews and nylander and marner about them signing..he gave him 100% assurances that they would!..one down teo to go!..and besides why would they leave?..and Phoenix..haha their debt is more than the franchise is worth! Their going for sale again!! And besides they’ll be in Houston within a window of a couple of years .the salt of some people’s tears! .next..Lol

  2. Maybe you offer sheet a player like Kapanen once Mathews and Marner are signed.
    In regards to Nylander you have to give him 20 games. The feel part of the game takes a while
    Comments yesterday on Nolan Patrick. First player in the Western league to score 30 at 16 yrs old since Marleau . Only one other in history. He is 20 years old on a team that is struggling . Injured his draft year and missed team Canada as a result. His predigree alone would suggest a”9ng career in the NHL. You do not move this player. By no means is he a bust just yet. How long did Yakapov have ?

    • As I said below, I haven’t watched a lot of Philly games this year.
      Being a 1st round draft pick in the NHL doesn’t guarantee anything. The success rate is just slightly over 60% that have any meaningful nhl career at all. 1st liner or 4th liner.
      Basically a coin flip.

      But some players just take longer to develop than others. He probably should have been eased in to th nhl. Like many, he probably would have benefited more from playing a lot of minutes in the Ahl, Rather than 3rd line minutes in the NHL.

      Not having great success out of the gate will actually be beneficial to the Flyers imo. He obviously won’t be commanding an insane amount of money when he hits Rfa status. Which can buy the Flyers more time to evaluate him.

      No way I give up on a 1st rounder this early. I’d say he should probably have 3-4 more years before any decision is made. Unless of course someone throws a too good to pass up deal that gives the Flyers immediate help…. and no, I’m not talking a goaltender for Patrick!

    • 20 Games ???? Really ?? That makes no sense whatsoever . Are you implying that players are only worth there full salary 20 games in ? A couple games ok 6-7 max . Look at Weber. (not a habs fan by the way). I’m not trying to be a dick I,m just saying if your gonna to an organization like Leafs and tell them your worth over 8 million , you should be able to not need 20 games to prove it .

      • Misfit most teams play around 10 preseason games, you saying most players are at the top of their game in the middle of October? It can take 10-20 games for guys to get going.

      • @ Misfit101

        I agree …with what your saying …

        your not being a dick …by pointing out the obvious…and to your point …Weber had off season surgery and did a rehab and it was potentially a career ending injury if it did not go well…..WEBER has looked AMAZING !
        Older guy as well …he could put himself into the Norris discussion by years end if at this rate ….where a guy
        ( AKA NYLANDER ) who was not injured comes back from a hold out and doesn’t even look minor league ready !

        I agree with your statement and this is NOT To put down Shticky or to just disagree …

        I just agree on the entire sentiment …that Nylander has looked really bad and I had wished that he was not overvalued which he was and I had stated all along!

        GEEEEZE ..even when a leaf fan admits the players were overvalued we still get ribbed and called out …go figure !

      • And tho Weber was out, he has gone thru how many preseasons and training camps and did practice with the team for the most part this season. Don’t get me wrong yes Weber is playing outstanding for what he has gone thru but Im not at all sure its a comparable situation to a kid who had to practice with a junior team and skate by himself till 2 weeks ago.

    • @ SHTICKY

      I am not going to take your bait in your insults and read between the lines. I will take the high road today and stay out of the box and play the long game ….

      Iam going to move forward in the Christmas spirit

      and say that I have enjoyed reading your posts the last few years and you make very valid points and back them up very well….however I disagree on the comparison of Kappy and Nylander …and Iam entitled to my opinion without having to be put down and insulted and from what I see in game play !

      you feel Nylander is the better overall better player than Kapanen….so be it I do not !

      I really disagree …sorry ! Time will be the deciding factor ..but Id rather have Kappy on my team than Nylander… ANY DAY OF THE WEEK!!

      • Hey Kal El you have the right to your opinions as do all of us no matter how wrong they are. You are one of few that would rank kappy over Nylander. Both players are still developing and no one here knows enough about hockey and player development to make a good enough informed opinion.

        On the pipe dream of offer sheets…1 only about 15 teams have all the picks needed to make an offer that would tempt the player which leads us to 2, the player must want to go from a contender to a non contender and finally 3, the Leafs will have more than enough $$$ to sign any player that gets offer sheeted.
        No offense to our esteemed guest here but in reality, sports writers are the worse of the lot (in journalism)…in my experience, they are on par with celebrity rumor mongers.

    • If you gonna do the offer sheet, make it count and go for the big guys!

  3. I haven’t watched a lot of Philly games this year. But one odd thing that sticks out to me is all of the left handed D they’re carrying.
    The only righty is Gudas.

    Is this part of Phillys problem? It seems bizarre to only carry one righty on the roster. Maybe they should be in on Pietrangelo or Parayko if they’re actually available?

    It would be interesting to hear some Philly fans take on whether it’s a problem or not.

    • Nyr4life..

      How come you observed this and yet our previous GM was never concerned?

      YES, lack of right handed d is an issue. Especially when Gudas is really only a decent number 6 dman. Maybe a 5 on a really good day. He is not the best puck mover. If he was a stud top 4 d guy out there it would not be as big of a deal. I gotta think this is an issue on the PK too which has been an abomination for years. A Flyers team without a good pk will never win. Never.

      However, Philippe Myers is their top d prospect is 6.5, can fly and is a righty. He is a future 3 or 4 dman and will be up next yr.

      You did omit our CrackerJack free agent acquisition, Christian Folin though. He is a solid number 8 dman so we have that going for us.

      For those that think Hexy got a raw deal, he also did not address the goaltending position even though our backup is put together with duck tape and our starter was coming off major surgery and has never really carried the mail as a number 1 guy all that well. Solid 1B goalie, but ya kinda need a 1A to make that work.

      Did I mentioned the PK sucks?

      How about that fact they he fired Joe Mullen who used to run a successful PP and now our PP has shriveled up.

      Our special teams index reads like an offensive linemans number.

      By the way, the PK sucks.

      We also have no 3rd line center, our 4th line center spot is a liability and our second overall pick and second line center has regressed.

      Also Provorov (who looked like a future Norris candidate) and Ghost (who looked like another version of Eric Karlsson at times) have also regressed.

      Have I mentioned our PK sucks.

  4. GMs have their own cap to worry about with out messing with others. This is likely why Dubas (its all of 5 letters not sure why some here decide to shorten it all of 1 letter and confuse others with 4 letter abbreviations that make very little sense) look at all the teams in the same position with great young players and most have more of a cap issue to deal with than the Leafs who have the most cap room available to defend with. Yet here we go with what about offer sheet paranoia. look at the list of RFAs available there are some that would be much more suitable targets that up till recently are never mentioned Im sure most of their GMs would rather not go down that road and soon enough chances are other teams are going to be in the same position it makes little sense for Dubas (or most any other GM) to be changing their plans on growing their club due to offer sheets. Here is a short list of some RFAs how many are honestly worried about all these guys getting offer sheets and signing them.

    Auston Matthews, C, TOR

    Patrik Laine, RW, WPG

    Mitchell Marner, RW, TOR

    Sebastian Aho, C/LW/RW, CAR

    Charlie McAvoy, D, BOS

    Zach Werenski, D, CBJ

    Ivan Provorov, D, PHI

    Will Butcher, D, NJD

    Jacob Trouba, D, WPG

    Nikita Zadorov, D, CO

    And that’s just this years…there are always going to be young star players who will need contracts its probably best to worry about your own house (team) and making it better than throwing rocks at your neighbors house.

    • I agree. A lot of people throw out “to mess with their cap situation “ which is beyond moronic. I don’t believe that has ever happened, nor do I think it will ever happen.

      I can’t see any gm risking kicking himself in the teeth just to mess with someone’s cap situation.
      If a gm pulls the trigger on an offer sheet, it’s because he feels that player will better his team.

      • and the cost is often prohibitive to that sure Point or Mathews immediately make your team a little better but you just screwed your own cap structure and it cost you potentially 4 firsts which could prove to be better more affordable cost controlled players for your team. Its like The Leafs trading for Kessel. Brian Burke has said in the past how he was going to use the threat of an offer sheet on the player to get the Bruins to give in on the deal…imagine looking back at that if it ended up costing the Leafs 3 or 4 firsts seeing as how the trade of 2 turned out? It can completely screw things up for the next 4-5 years if not longer if its a swing and a miss, and does unrepairable damage. Kessle was an RFA and was and is an elite level scoring winger that just cost 2 firsts to the Leafs imagine if it was 3 and the contract on top of that that some said was immoveable once they decided to go another direction

      • A far as “messing with a cap situation” comment….

        San Jose did give an offer sheet to Niklas Hjalmarsson back in 2010 which Chicago matched. It was widely speculated the real reason was to cause Chicago, who were in cap trouble, to have to walk away from Annti Niemi in arbitration. Chicago did and San Jose grabbed Niemi as a UFA. Not saying that will happen but I’m sure teams are thinking of these scenarios.

      • Widely speculated, and actually doing it are two completely different things.

        If I had a nickel for things that were widely speculated, I’d be a billionaire this year alone on Just Nylander.

        I don’t believe any gm is willing to shoot himself in the foot to play cap games.

    • There’s more. Guentzel, point, Kapanen, Rantanen, DeBrusk?, mcavoy?, Dubois?, Boesner. I’m not 100 percent sure but the list next summer is unreal

      • @ Shticky

        I agree with what you guys are saying about the offer sheets …and your position above

        BUT and however…..

        This is not Phil Kessel …its Auston Matthews …

        Not only that …Phil was not looked to be the face of an entire State or Province …or the face of the organization …

        Auston Matthews would literally be the face of EVERYTHING ARIZONA …this is wayyyy more unique and in a completely different universe than mos likely any offer sheet in the past or the future for that matter !

        This is trying to get a generational player to come home to Arizona and take over the professional sports world of that state !

        That is what is at stake in an offer sheet from potentially Arizona …and tha is worth more than 4 1st round draft picks from a team ..that has all ready been there done that and failed !!

        So another 4 first round draft picks means nothing to Arizona in comparison to the possibility of an Auston Matthews playing there !

        there is not many times to where as the player is bigger than the game itself but it is here and it is in Arizona to keep everything literally alive in that state !

      • but the 100 million dollars it cost Im sure means something to the owner who has an empty rink to worry about, they don pay these guys in food stamps Kal, where does that money come from and how do you add to the team after that? Matthwews Marner Point Trouba these guys don’t automatically make your team a contender you still have to surround them with something.

      • I think Arizona is more concerned with getting a new rink in Scottsdale, where the fans live.

      • Sometimes you contradict your own posts…. “he’s becoming a floater”, “he has shown things of concern the last few years”….but he’s a generational talent? Lmao.

        This is like inflating the tires only to slash them.

        I don’t believe you get both, it’s one or the other…

        A lot of great players don’t get an offer sheet. (Stamkos) So it’s not really grasping to think Mathews will not.

        Not many teams are in the position to do so, cap space and or picks. It would take a max contract to lure Mathews out the door. Not many teams out there have the cap space and or picks, or would be reluctant to give out that money plus lose 4-1st round picks in the process.

      • Yeah that’s the 2nd part of that post of Kals that’s a little head scratching what isn’t there to like about a guy getting paid 100 mil over 7 or so years to float around the ice? I’m sure Yotes fans would fill the place to see that… what could go wrong? NVM the guy who owns the Rockets is reportedly interested in buying them and moving the Yotes to Houston….funny didn’t they just move them to the central? The Kid from Arizona would likely love to play in his new hometown of Houston!

    • Also. It’s unfortunate the rfa offer sheet process is so prohibitive. It’s essentially the only bargain chip the young players have after their union brothers threw them under the bus each negotiating session.

      • Chrisms, it isn’t that bad for the young players. I think this is how it works; if they sign their first contract between the ages of 18-20 (most do), then they have arbitration rights after 4 years.
        I am OK with it, because as a fan we would like to see our teams keep their best guys for a while. So if they play well they will get paid after 4 years, and it is not like they were earning peanuts for the first 4.

      • @ Shticky

        NYR4LIFE

        You are manipulating what I say to only show a negative outlook …as opposed to what is the actual on goings.

        Ok…your always right why bother showing a different side of things or having a different perspective …no sense in discussing if your always right !!!

        …your right …sorry about that….my sincerest apologies to you both.

        Take care …have a good Holiday season

        @ Pengy canadian King and George …

        have a good Holiday season!

        cheers

      • I really don’t have to manipulate what you say…. Just scroll up and read your own post… An hour ago ……

        “Matthews as been AWOL since he got back …he is growing into being a floater …and his style of game is really starting to remind me of Phil Kessel at that age …a great sniper who refuses to play a hard game or be engaged and play 2 shift in every game and then just do what ever! I like Matthews he is a generational talent but there are some things that have come up the past 3 years that are starting to become a trend and worry me with his play !”

        Your next post……”Auston Matthews would literally be the face of EVERYTHING ARIZONA …this is wayyyy more unique and in a completely different universe than mos likely any offer sheet in the past or the future for that matter !
        This is trying to get a generational player to come home to Arizona and take over the professional sports world of that state “

        Your posts and thought process seem to be conflicting to say the least.

        And you’re being way too sensitive when people don’t want to ride along with your conflicting posts or outrageous statements like Kapanen for Parayko would be unfair…. which not ONE single person was in agreement. Leaf fans included.

        A little childish to be honest!

        Anyway , Happy Holidays to everyone… except those who go against my ideas!

      • it really is a shame Ray. Players should reach ufa much quicker. It’s a disgrace that the union will make deals at the cost of members that don’t even belong to the union yet. What should be the driving force of keeping players in the market they were drafted is how the team treats the players, how they pay the players, the city itself and how attractive it is to the individual, the relationship with the coach and gm, etc.

        Since the offer sheet is the concession given to young players to try to keep them marketable and give them bargaining power the cost of tendering one should be much cheaper.

      • I understand what you’re saying Chrisms, but still do not think it is a shame. You and I can leave our employer and go work for somebody else anytime we want, sure. But the NHL is a different animal and the players could do something other than play hockey if they hate it so much. How about a compromise for early UFA status is to get rid of guaranteed contracts? How about not even injuries, how about they sign a long term deal and just suck? Think that would fly with the players?
        Plenty of NHL teams to not have a great return on investment as far as operating income goes and ownership makes a huge investment. Not every team can be located in a huge hockey market and those teams need to make a buck, and if they lose all their quality young guys how will they do? So if you get rid of the small market teams how many jobs does the union lose?
        The average fan keeps watching ticket prices go up, should they not be considered in this equation considering they are the customer after all? The NHL is simply not the normal business world and has the overall health of the league to consider.

      • I’m good with getting rid of guaranteed contracts if it works both ways. If a player over performs they can walk away and renegotiate. The cap floor essentially makes the argument about big vs little market moot.

      • “It’s a shame about Ray” from one of the more underrated albums of the early 90s, love that tune.

  5. Toronto doesn’t have to be worried about an offer sheet? Lets say that is true, then what is their worries? Signing to elite players to long term contracts and mainly paying them out in signing bonuses, (lockout protection).
    Toronto has 12 players signed to $56,275,000 next season assuming the cap goes to $83 mil as suggested That leaves roughly $27m in cap space for next season to sign 11 players.
    How much of the pie does M&M take? Lyle states just because there is an offer sheet doesn’t mean they’ll sign, true. But just the threat of the offer sheet benefits the player because Toronto knows they need to come in with a great offer. If M&M want their money and as much of the pie as they can have, then they should wait until the off season to sign , forcing Toronto hand to come in big or potentially match an offer sheet.
    Unless M&M one being peanut the other chocolate decide to take a home team discount to leave more pie and personally why should they? Then Toronto has some stickhandling to do.
    They’ll save Hainsey $3m and Gardiner $4m but them two players need to be resign or replace and defense isn’t one place Toronto you be trying to skim by.
    I hear people mentioning that Toronto should go after Trouba, he’ll cost assets and he’ll want $7m per at least. Maybe a cheaper option be going after Tyler Myers who’ll be an ufa.
    Yes Toronto has the money to sign both M&M and they should but just the threat of an offer sheet is costly to the leafs.

    • Caper, I have to admit that I was wrong about the amount of leverage Nylander had by holding out and really thought he would get less than he did.
      I still don’t believe he would have sat with $6.5/6 or $5.5/2 bridge on the table take it or leave it.
      So if he had that much leverage, can you imagine M&M both holding out at the same time? (somebody on here through that out there a while back)
      The city of Toronto would implode.

    • Again Caper Id say that Marner and Kessel are/ were in kinda the same ball park as far as talent and position, a team just traded a couple top picks for Kessel and look how that turned out do you really think its worth an offer sheet to another similar type winger and doubling the price in Marners case? Its not going to happen in order to just to try and stick someone with matching an offer sheet…what if the Leafs didn’t match would you really trade 4 firsts for the player? I love Marner followed him around different ohl cities on 401 corridor when he was in JR just to watch him play Ottawa Oshawa Kingston Peterborough any time he was through my neck of the woods Id go but Im not so sure I give up the future of my team and possibly being able to augment my own line up and be competitive in coming years on the off chance to make a headline and mess up someone else, karma can be an awful thing. Its not going to happen and if you were so worried about a top line center wouldnt Point be a much better option than Matthews? Tampa has a lot more issues than Toronto when it comes to the cap so why would you focus on the guy who is in all likely hood not going to be able to pry away instead of a guy who could be pried away at a much lower amount? Not that I think Point is going anywhere either but if you go thru the League there are a lot of options out there that tho not probable make a lot more sense and have maybe a slightly higher chance of success than trying to offer sheet teams players when the team has nearly 30 mill in space.

      • If it’s a routinely competitive team then the question is would you trade 4 1sts in the 17 – 32 range for an established young star? Odds are you don’t get one player of mariners talent with those picks.

      • I agree. All things being equal, TB is in a much tougher spot with Point than Toronto with Matthews/Marner. TB has to get out from the Callahan contract and also deal other players that have MNTC’s or NTC’s. They’ll also have to replace Stralman and Coburn if Point goes for big money.

      • how many routinely competitive teams need a winger that badly and have the space and picks as well? of the 16 who made it last year maybe 2 of them? and I’m not so sure a top line wing player is as needed as other issues like goaltending and a center in the case of NJ.

        The question could be why would a player like Marner choose to leave a contending where he can raise his value through endorsements and a team close to home and his family? (if you know the story of Marner home,family and the Leafs are a lot to him, he left the Knights for a period of time to return home because he wasn’t having fun and was missing friends and family, he picked the OHL over a full scholarship in US college Dads favorite player is Gilmour, grew up huge Leaf fan..) to play for a maybe they make it type team? Player would need to sign it and Im not sure I see Marner doing that.

      • My argument isn’t necessarily for one particular player… Marner just an example. It applies to any and all of the jaw dropping amount of top tier and almost top tier talent coming up for contracts next summer. Maybe Marner uses the offer sheet option as leverage to get everything you mentioned and a better deal for himself.

      • Sum up. There are a ton of guys in my opinion well worth the 4 first rounders coming up soon. Especially if it’s most likely the 4 1sts are not lottery picks.

      • I agree, there are a lot of interesting players who could receive an offer sheet. What I can’t see, is a team that could comfortably afford a Mathews, Laine. Or teams having the picks to do it.

        As a Ranger fan I’d love to see Gorton throw one at Mathews, Laine, Trouba, etc.

        From all nearly every angle it makes a lot of sense for NY. They’ve accumulated a ton of picks already in the system, have the picks needed to do it, these young players make a lot of sense to build around,
        Then there was the cap space issue…. Along with these players willingness to sign on for a rebuilding team.

        I think most competitive teams are just out due to lack of cap space and or the needed picks required.

      • Top teams don’t really have the space is the problem with that thinking, again outside a couple who from last years playoffs doesn’t have some cap issues of their own to be throwing out 10 mill contract offers? Half of them don’t know how they are going to sign their own RFAs, let alone someone else’s expensive ones Tampa has Point and a few others so no, Bruins have McAvoy good group that will be expensive to resign, Caps no room, Pens no cap space, Leafs cap issues, Caps have no room, Jets have Trouba and a whack of others, Rangers ehhh maybe but cant see it they will go after Panarin, Jackets have 9 guys to resign including Panarin and 2 goalies so not likely Avs have a load of guys including Rantanen Zadorov…Kings could use all the young picks they can get ditto for the BlackHwawks Preds have 10 mill in space with guys to sign…its just not really something I see happening from a contender or a regular type playoff team

      • Sometimes a player is worth going over the cap to obtain. Then you makes trades to get back under. And enough players out there this summer that might be worth making it happen. As I said above… if we don’t see either very lucrative deals for all the players that fit that category this summer… like very lucrative… or offer sheets extended then the system should be looked at to tweak to make offer sheets more viable

      • Well it can work out for even the most inept of gms. The Oilers traded a 1st and a 2nd for Griffin Reinhart. The first turned into Mathew Barzal and the second they flipped in a package for the pick that landed them Anthony Beauvullier. That is their current 2 franchise players. And Reinhart was lost for nothing in the LV draft. There is so much young talent in the world these days losing 4 first round picks could be highly detrimental to any team.

  6. We could just do away with the cap and add a tax system Id be fine with that 🙂

    • I’d be fine with that as well. I can’t stand the cap. And all things aren’t equal. Canada, Ny , La tax issues. Ny 130% cost of living over the average city…

      • That came from a ny and tor fan. Cap ceiling and floor absolutely necessary. Some creative ideas would be kinda a franchise tag that would allow the team to hold one players salary off the equation

      • A lot of small market teams that were screaming for a cap seem to be spending just fine. See Edmonton Oilers.

        But seriously, how can you make it a level playing ground with Taxes and cost of living differential?

        I’m a New Yorker living in Florida and I can tell you the cost of living is night and day.
        750k gets you a 2 bedroom house in NY (westchester, Dutchess, Putnam suburbs) Manhattan, Brooklyn…. you aren’t even getting a box for less than 3-5k a month.

        In Florida 750k gets you a mansion. No state tax, utilities cheaper, upkeep cheaper etc.

        I remember when I first moved here and a coworker was complaining about a 250 dollar electric bill. I literally almost choked . My electric bill in NY was 3-4 x’s that in 1996 in Ny! Not to mention oil for a gas furnace for heating and hot water.

        My family are all still in NY, Connecticut, NJ area. My mother’s property tax last year was over 24k! More than 4 X’s mine in Florida. I probably have about 1000 more square feet of home. Less property but you get the idea.

      • Those cities and states can deal with it. I do not in the least buy into the tax argument. If it hurts the team so bad move em. Sarcasm . The cost of living is high because people want to live there. It offsets.

      • So if you don’t buy into the tax or cost of living argument…. why should the big markets Like Toronto, NY, Montreal, Chicago etc. care about lack of attendance, fans, or demographics of the small markets?

        It’s either a level playing ground or sink or swim!

        I’ve seen you rip people for saying “I hope Carolina loses the team” so I’m not sure you’re even serious.

        But why should the larger markets suffer? Why on earth should it be an unfair playing field? It doesn’t offset. I still remember Pat Verbeek leaving NY to bolt to Dallas for the same exact offer for these very reasons … prior to a salary cap.

        And these same small markets continue to get the best prospects in the game….

        Maybe keep a cap, and the small markets should be completely eliminated from getting the Crosby’s , Mcdavids of the world?

        Without Toronto, NY, Montreal, Chicago, Boston… 12-15 other teams don’t exist!

      • Really? It’s like hearing a rich kid complain they only got a Honda for their 16th instead of a Porsche. Ny has so much to offset the cost of living that your only example is verbeek? How about Gretzky jagr? How about Hayes and who was that other ufa rookie recently? They signed in ny because it was ny. Complaining about cost of living discrepancies vs the overwhelming advantages you have is … laughable? Blind? There’s a better adjective but I can’t come up with it. Maybe in a ny minute

      • Lmao. What are the advantages? Higher cost of living? Please! Let’s not talk about endorsements which are basically non existent in hockey…..

        So what is it? The right to live and play in NY? So you’re bowing down to NY is the most superior city in the US…. and just for being able to play there your wallet should come up a little more empty than in Pittsburgh, Tampa, Dallas etc? Lmfao! Stop!

      • Vesey signed in NY? Lmfao! Yeah here we come Stanley cup! You know, some teams would prefer the Mcdavids , Laines of the game. But the bright lights lured in a former 3rd round pick like Vesey! Lmmfao!

        And you insult Verbeek? Vesey! Vesey! Vesey!

      • I wouldn’t live in that cesspool if you paid me but apparently it’s attractive to a large portion of people. Listening to a ny ranger fan complain they are facing a not level playing table has got to mind blowing to almost every other fan in the league. The very nature of being an original 6 is a very real but still weird selling point. A city that can cater to every culture (hello Panarin wanting said environment) another. Ny right now is not a top team because of failure to play on those advantages.

        You can try to feel like the underprivileged because it’s cool to not be the favorite son but that’s what ny is. No fan in the nhl is gonna feel anything close to pity for what equates to the rich kid up the street

      • First of all cesspool? Yeah… anyone who’s ever visited Manhattan and Pittsburgh will tell you where the cesspool is! Please! You’re in one of the oldest, filthiest places on the planet!

        Ny … people write about, movies, books , Yankees, game, …. Pittsburgh,,, the steel city…. that doesn’t even exist. The pens…. flat on their backs broke! Prior to Malkin , Crosby, fleury being dropped in their laps!

        Please stop! Pittsburgh will be broke again the minute Crosby is out the door. Then you can go back to living the steel city dream of poverty and filth! Lmmfao!

        But you’ll always have the next Lemieux, Crosby, Jagr to fall in your lap when they’re. Playing on a different city!

        And I won’t even get into the things you call women in Pittsburgh…..🤮🤮🤮

      • Woof. I think we are both there ny! Always a pleasure. Btw. Pittsburgh is among the nations most livable cities every year in multiple reputable publications. But enjoy your 🍺🍻🥂🥃. I’m done. Gottabe back to work at 6.

        Of note. You can’t defend ny being a destination city for fa throughout the past several decades. Despite your complaints. It will continue to be a destination fa city in the years to come.

        Ps. I can’t really be offended about the Pittsburgh women comment because my wife is from Houston. Mnnnn.

      • Houston, Dallas… some of the most beautiful women on the planet. Pittsburgh 🤮🤮🤮! Literally. Look it up. Pennsylvania in general, Philly specifically. Voted ugliest people on the planet year after year!

      • Wow straight to yo mama so ugly jokes? Really?

    • Plus, Stepan has been out scoring his rival teammate Dave Bolland…..

      Lmfao…. yeah I never forgot that one!

  7. For years I’ve enjoyed this site, thank you ALL for your spirited discussions and individual perspectives! Before my two cents, a little background: hometown homer Islander fan who enjoyed my entire high school career as a fan of the champs (that dates me some, but so be it 🙂 !) Played pickup hockey for many years (goalie) and have been in love with this sport and like the way it’s progressed (with some exceptions, of course)..

    On the topic of offer sheets (and I’m SURE some of you will get a kick out of this: wouldn’t Lou Lamierello be JUST the GM to offer-sheet Matthews or Marner, given his departure from “Tronto” and PajamaBoys’ departure from the Island? The money is there, the system is healthy and could withstand the picks, but assuming the Leafs would match, wouldn’t HE enjoy causing just a little bit of chaos there?

    PS: i despise the shoot-outs, play 10 mins 3 on 3 and if nobody wins, nobody gets the 3rd point (while we’re at it, can’t we make ALL games worth 3 points? just sayin’…)

    Thanks for listening, I’ll sit back and attempt to dodge the bullets LOL

    • Pachew pachew

    • Pajamaboys? Gawd…not another Netflix original.

  8. Lyle, how bout some info on the 200+ lbs of dead weight named berglund? It’s humorous that ANYONE on the NHL, much less Buffalo could possibly think berglund could have a negative effect on the Sabres. I think the only negative effect would be when he’s on the ice. If he has his contract voided and ends up back in St. Louis, I’m moving to Buffalo. We have enough problems in St. Louis without bringing back a useless player.