NHL Rumor Mill – February 23, 2019

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The Senators and Rangers trade watches continue plus updates on Artemi Panarin, Ilya Kovalchuk and more in today’s NHL rumor mill. 

SENATORS AND RANGERS TRADE WATCH

 

OTTAWA SUN: Bruce Garrioch reports Senators forwards Mark Stone and Ryan Dzingel were scratched from last night’s game against the Columbus Blue Jackets as they await their fates. He believes Dzingel has one foot out the door after spurning a five-year contract offer worth in excess of $20 million, but there’s a chance (albeit slim) that Stone could re-sign before Monday’s trade deadline.

Garrioch thinks 17 or 18 clubs, including the Winnipeg Jets, Calgary Flames, Boston Bruins and Tampa Bay Lightning, may have expressed interest in Stone. The asking price is said to be higher than what the Senators received for Matt Duchene (two prospects, a first-round pick and a conditional first) from the Blue Jackets. The Chicago Blackhawks and Boston Bruins could be sniffing around on Dzingel, with the Sens seeking a first-round pick or a high-end prospect in return. 

NICHOLS ON HOCKEY: TSN’s Bob McKenzie believes the Jets, Predators, Flames, and New York Islanders could be among the suitors for Stone. He also brought up the Colorado Avalanche but isn’t sure where they are regarding a rental player. McKenzie also suggests what could be complicating things is teams could prefer acquiring Stone if they feel they can sign him rather than getting him as a rental for the playoffs. 

SPECTOR’S NOTE: The Duchene trade was the first major domino to drop in the market. I think interest in Stone will only increase and I wouldn’t be surprised if he and Dzingel are traded before Monday’s 3 pm ET deadline. Could be a bidding war going on that stretches this out for a bit. We’ll find out soon enough. The Jets and Predators are thought to be the front-runners. 

TSN: In the wake of yesterday’s Duchene trade, Darren Dreger reported teams will starting dialing in on New York Rangers center Kevin Hayes. He adds a few teams are interested in acquiring Hayes and teammate Mats Zuccarello. If Zuccarello is moved separately, the asking price could be high draft picks or a high pick and a prospect. 

NEW YORK POST: Brett Cyrgalis reports some of the teams believed interested in Mark Stone are also thought to have interest in Hayes. If Stone moves soon, Hayes might not be far behind. 

SPECTOR’S NOTE: Where Hayes and/or Zuccarello end up before the trade deadline remains tied to what the Senators do with Stone and Dzingel. The Duchene trade, however, may have already ramped up more interest in Hayes among clubs in need of skilled depth at center. 

Columbus Blue Jackets winger Artemi Panarin appears to be off the trade market (Photo via NHL Images)

JACKETS KEEPING PANARIN?

TSN’S Pierre LeBrun reports that, unless another team steps up, the Columbus Blue Jackets are content to retain pending free agent left wing Artemi Panarin for the remainder of the season in hopes of staging a Stanley Cup run this spring. 

THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH’s Brian Hedger reports Blue Jackets GM Jarmo Kekalainen intends to keep an eye on the trade market but indicates he’s not moving Panarin just for draft picks. It would take an offer he can’t refuse, one that helps the Jackets now and in the future, to convince him to part with the talented winger. 

SPECTOR’S NOTE: Bang goes my theory of the Jackets shipping Panarin to another club (like the Florida Panthers) and flipping part of the return to the Senators for Duchene. Looks like Kekalainen has decided to bolster his roster for one last run with Panarin and goaltender Sergei Bobrovsky before the two depart via free agency in July. 

KOVALCHUK

LOS ANGELES TIMES: Helene Elliott reports Kings management spoke with winger Ilya Kovalchuk about his future, with one option being a trade before the Monday deadline. It’s unclear if Kovalchuk will agree to waive his no-movement clause if another team expresses interest in acquiring him. Elliott speculates the Kings might have to absorb part of the winger’s $6.25-million annual salary-cap hit to make it work. 

SPECTOR’S NOTE: Given the right team, Kovalchuk might be tempted to waive his clause. Lots of recent speculation suggesting perhaps a reunion with New York Islanders GM Lou Lamoriello but we don’t know if the always-secretive Lamoriello is receptive to that notion. 

BRUINS

NBC SPORTS: While Boston Bruins GM Don Sweeney has hinted he might be done dealing before the deadline, Joe Haggerty believes they still need a top-six winger. He doubts Sweeney would pursue an expensive option like Mark Stone or Artemi Panarin, suggesting Philadelphia’s Wayne Simmonds, Carolina’s Micheal Ferland, Detroit’s Thomas Vanek, or the Rangers’ Kevin Hayes as affordable options. 

SPECTOR’S NOTE: Simmonds and Hayes and perhaps Mats Zuccarello would be the best choices here. With the Hurricanes jockeying for a wild-card spot, I don’t think they’ll move Ferland now.

Vanek’s inconsistency in the playoffs makes him the least palatable of Haggerty’s suggestions. Indeed, The Detroit News’ Ted Kulfan reports there’s no interest in Vanek. Maybe the Wings’ Gustav Nyquist could be in play.

The market for Simmonds, Hayes, and Zuccarello could grow more expensive depending on when the Senators move Stone. Panarin, of course, doesn’t appear to be going anywhere now. 

OILERS

EDMONTON SUN: Jim Matheson reports the Oilers don’t want to trade winger Alex Chiasson because they lack secondary scoring depth and he’s cheap ($650K). His agent has had discussions with management but no contract talks. The Oilers are shopping winger Tobias Rieder and defenseman Alex Petrovic but Matheson believes their current play ensures they won’t get much in return. If the Oilers are in the market for a rental player, he feels Ottawa’s Ryan Dzingel would be ideal. 

 DEVILS

NJ.COM:  Chris Ryan reports New Jersey Devils forward Marcus Johansson and defenseman Ben Lovejoy are expected to be scratched from tonight’s game against the New York Rangers. Both are pending UFAs who are expected to be moved before the trade deadline.

**UPDATE: The Devils this morning traded Lovejoy to the Dallas Stars in exchange for defenseman Connor Carrick and a third-round pick in the 2019 NHL Draft.  

 







102 Comments

  1. If the interest in Stone extends to THAT many teams this, as I said the the day, could wind up making Monday the most interesting trade deadline day in years as Dorion plays the field. You have to think that none of the acknowledged top contenders want to see their opposition get that much stronger for the stretch run and playoffs, even with a rental situation, so maybe all Dorion needs to do is sit back and see who blinks first. This could drag on until the last hour.

    • Good morning everyone….

      A few things …

      I just wanted to point out that a lot of posters are not giving enough credit to the later round draft picks included in deals as of late….this is a really big misconception…IMO …one should really look at what and who later round draft picks are and what they have turned out to be over the past 25 years …to dismiss later round draft picks especially 2nd a 3rd rounders as just a bag of pucks is not the trend and actually quite the opposite.
      It is now more prevalent and more important than at any other time in the league to have a solid minor league system and a solid amount of players waiting in the wings …the trend is towards development and these later round players are becoming very important stars to many teams now and in the past !

      SENS

      Stone should get the same return as he just did for Duchene if that’s the market trend …he just needs a different dancing partner ….but the tone has been set and so has the market at the same time ….Stone should bring in 3 pieces …but I think this time Dorion needs to try and get some younger established center piece to the next trade …between Karlsson and Duchene he has gotten a lot of fringe player with high hopes ..this time he really needs to ask fr one solid piece in the Stone deal even if it brings the trade return down just a bit to a first rounder and a young blossoming 1 A player and a later round pick or prospect.

      JACKETS & Kekko

      This could be a serious situation for the Jackets …

      Giving up this years 1st rounder in a really high quality draft year ….and then loosing the 2 players they dealt to Ottawa ….and then loosing Duchene ..Panarin and Bobs for nothing as UFAs in the off season…wow.

      A draft deal for rights if things dont work out ???

      Does Kekko have more power at the Draft …
      THOUGHTS ??

      Cheers 🙂

      • Yes. Mid to late round picks are very much undervalued by the average nhl fan.

      • Draft picks history just for fun how many r playing in the nhl today

        2nd 3rd 4th
        2010 17 6 4
        2011 19 9 5
        2012 13 14 8
        2013 19 12 7
        2014 10 6 7
        2015 19 4 8
        2016 10 2 1
        2017 3 1 1
        2018 0 0 0

        Ignoring 2016 to present as some of these players are still prospect and might get a chance. One things of note while there is some elite talent in the picks there are far more names of players you haven’t heard of.

      • @ Caper

        However with the new style of NHL player….. kids are amazing hockey players all ready at the age of 12 years old sometimes and go through rigorous Summer camps yearly….and that pool is now bigger …and thats why I think that there is way better players to be had in later rounds now ..

        its just a slower development for them but the exception pool and the really good pool are really close for 1st rounders to 3rd rounders these days with how good players are getting at younger ages with the training they go through …the players who become men first get picked higher ..but late bloomers are getting traction now ..IMO…

        Your Bs proved that this year !

      • @ NYR4LIFE

        Looks like you have been heard ……

        Rangers sitting your trio ….

      • The talent pool is growing every year. As European leagues get better and the us continues to grow the game more and more talent available later in the rounds.

      • Kal EL did you NOT look at the numbers, they don’t support your argument.

        Now if you want to say there is some really good players in the 2nd round and later, then yes I agree however the percentage is low.

        If you are trying to use my bruins at an example then i’ll point out this to you Boston has have success with 2nd rounders and later for awhile.

        Boston has 6 1st round draft picks on their roster today. Not necessarily drafted by them

        Pastrnak 25th, Rask 21st, McAvoy 14th, Coyle 28th, Debrusk 14th, Morre 21st

        2nd round picks- Carlo, Heinen, Krecji, Bergeron, Backes

        3rd round- Chara, Cehlarik, Grzelcyk, Marchand, Nordstrom

        4th round Kampfer

        5th round Kuraly, Wagner

        Undrafted- Kevin Miller, Noel Acciari, Torey Krug, Karson Kuhlman

        As this support you argument there is some quality players that come in later rounds but disputes the notion it’s new and more players now.

      • Kal did you read the rticle or just post it? It says teams are coveting the second round picks, this is because teams don’t want to give up 1st round picks. Also states only Sprong is a 2nd round pick out of that draft year to make it to the nhl

        since 2010 281 second round draft picks were made of that 110 have played at least 1 game in 2018-2019 season or 39%.

        The level of success varies could be a Nikita Kucherov or Ryan Sprould who played in 44 nhl games draft in the second round 3 picks before Kucherov by Detroit.

        I would agree second players have a better chance then 3rd or 4th round picks and you may find a gem here and there.

      • Should have made wenneberg part of Duchene trade

    • Any Sabres fans here ???

      I watch a lot of games there …

      What would you consider a decent swap for Bogosian if the Leafs came calling ?

      Curious …as he is a righty with some term and has been very good this year from what Ive seen …I doubt you guys resign him long term next year in a UFA year and your looking like your on the outs this year and he is an aging player …timing might be right to move him Id be a taker with his physical play and right shot and good first pass …

      What would you consider a decent swap for conversations sake….

      Cheers

      • He’s a nice 3/4 d right now that plays very under the radar. What more could you ask for? I’d like to spit out stupid like a top prospect but that ain’t gonna fly so no use and I doubt a 1st takes him this year as the gap he would leave in our D would be too big.

    • So by pulling out your three top point getting players in order to trade them who’s asking price is quite high and there isn’t many suitors that can pay the high cost, my question is what happens when you can trade them? Doing this kinda insures one of two things; either you’re gonna get nothing or a lot lower than you hope for because something is better than nothing. Too bad they don’t have their potential first overall pick. Sens are in tank mode without their first. LOL

      • *can = can’t

      • @ Ron Moore …I hear ya ..but….

        Sounds like there is CRAZY interest in Hayes from Jets and Preds …..as well as the Bruins on twitter right now …especially after Duchene trade …

        and Zuccs looks like he is 100% gone as well …most likely waiting on the Dzingle trade first …

        and Mcquaid will go for a draft pick to a contender as well…. for security on the back end.

        Deals are most likely all ready in place …you have to sit these guys if there is serious offers on the table….which it seems as if there is.

        is one game going to make or break at this point …not so sure with where they sit in standings

        Seems to be a lot of smoke coming from a few teams …seems to be a few trade imminent from what I hear right now !

        Just sayin… peace

      • There’s a big difference between “tank mode” and deciding, in a re-build, to let y our kids go through a learn-on-the-job experience. But then, considering the source, I suppose derision is far better than objectivity for a big yuk.

  2. Boston should start with Stone with something similar to the Duchene deal. Studnicka untouchable Vaakanienen close to it. Then look at Dzingel,Simmonds,Zuccarello then Kovalchuk at half salary in that order. No on Vanek have better options in the organization.
    I don’t think Panarin or Ferland are going anywhere as their teams are in playoff contention right now.

    • Nothing “similar” to the Duchene deal is going to get Stone who, unlike Duchene, is a complete two-way forward who can beat with with scoring, checking and take-aways pretty much unmatched throughout the league. And by “similar” I mean the prospect returns need to be several notches higher than the two just received. As Sid Sexeiro said a few days ago on Tim & Sid, whoever gets him from among the top contenders (no cusp team is going to relinquish anything significant for a rental) automatically becomes the odds-on-favourite to win the cup. I believe that – he is that good a player and will play his heart out for whoever gets him. And they all know that, so what Dorion needs to do is be patient and let them come to him with offers right into Monday.

      • Sorry George. Pretty sure it will be similar. Duschene was a center. Gives his value a boost over a winger.

      • agreed George if Stone is traded he brings back more than Duchene. Along the same lines though 1st, conditional first, young roster player and an ‘A’ prospect. A first coming back from a team that will finish in the top 8 translates into a 24th to 31st pick so no guarantees to get an impact player.
        I am wondering if teams are telling Dorion you gotta make a decision by Sunday pm or we need to move on so as not to get left vying for ‘whoever is left’ .
        Chevy may up the ante just to get this done. 1st, cond 1st, Roslovic, Niku or Stanley.
        I prefer Stone re-signs but as a hockey fan if I had to pick a team for him to go to I would like to see the Jets land him.
        Have not heard Carolina mentioned , perhaps Canes’ management does a 180 and goes for it , they have the pieces to get it done and the cap space to re-sign him to a big contract.

      • I realize the attraction of a C over a winger, but GMs who overlook the intangibles are destined to be also-rans. Nor can they lean too heavily on the “untouchable” mantra when it comes to giving up prospects if they want to make it through the toughest grind in all of pro team sports – 4 brutal rounds – and hoist the cup. There are enough top contending teams (and I don’t include Columbus in that grouping) who probably believe they have a chance at the cup THIS spring and who definitely don’t want to see any of their closest opposition add Stone, that the bidding will see the more daring come up with offers that will be significantly better than that in the Duchene deal.

      • @ George …O … Chrisms …Pengy

        I think the Stone trade should be very similar …as I wrote up top ..but I think that Dorion needs to get a more solid player with pedigree in the Stone deal along with the high pick as opposed to multiple hopefuls….The Sens need a solid player that can step right in next year along with Logan Brown Batherson and Tckachuk …and grow with the team …

        Sure getting a haul is great for the percentages …but they have done that now with Karlsson and Duchene getting fringe prospects …they need to get an NHL player back at some point as well….in this deal… IMO …or you run the risk of going down the OILERS style road …that is not a road map to follow !

      • Betchu an atta boy it’s about on par with dusch George.

        Did you here how keko announced he sealed the deal on dusch to his team?

      • No way the addition of one player brings ANYONE to Tampa’s level….unless Tampa gets him.

      • You may be right – but I think Dorion has absolutely nothing to lose by dragging this out into the last hour. He will still have offers that he can fall back on at that stage to guard against coming away with nothing – probably of the type that will draw criticism that he got jobbed – but I really don’t think it will come to that.

        Yes, TB is a formidable obstacle to any other team that thinks they have a legitimate chance, but if Boston could add a Stone after getting big-body Charlie Coyle, or if Calgary could somehow slot him into that line-up, then I don’t see a cake-walk for TB. Lots can happen over a grueling 4 series which, if they all went 7 games, would see a team playing a full third of a season in a relatively short span.

      • Sid’s comment makes no sense. Does Stone make Dallas the immediate favourite for a cup? Carolina? islanders?

      • No, it doesn’t. But those are all cusp teams and, regardless of what they do at the deadline, it isn’t going to make them a cup favourite. What they do might get them into the playoffs, but they won’t go far. No, Sid was talking about top legitimate contenders like Boston, Winnipeg (not too sure about them), Calgary.

      • I love Stone but this is not basketball. Stone does not instantly make his team the cup favourite all of a sudden. Only McDavid could have that kind of impact.

      • So, you don’t think that if TB somehow landed him as a rental that that wouldn’t virtually make them a lock to win the cup? Just my opinion, but if Boston got him, after landing Coyle, and to go along with the likes of Bergeron, Marchand, Krejci, Pastrnak, Chara, McAvoy, Carlo, Krug – well, I wouldn’t bet the farm against them.

  3. So buyer fans. Who can post fantasy deals for stone that doesn’t start with “so and so is untouchable?” I’m curious who can post a deal that is competitive vs the field…

    For the pens… 1st rounder , Calen Addison, rust, conditional 1st 2020.

    • Stone (who then immediately signs extension) & Dzingel to WPG for Laine

      that’s competitive =)

      • Eh. Meant the scenario to be based off stone being a rental. I think another contract also back to ott but interesting idea

      • rental? oh…
        I think NSH makes a ton of sense

        to NSH: Stone & Dzingel

        to OTT: Fiala & Tolvanen plus a 1st 2020 and conditional 2nd 2019

        or

        to WPG: Stone & Dzingel

        to OTT: Conner , Copp plus 1st 2020 and a conditional 2nd 2019

      • If dusch got a conditional 2020 1st I’d expect a similar return

    • @ Chrisms

      WOW!!! You are baiting the average poster to get absolutely ROASTED ..by putting out a trade scenario ..LMAO 🙂

      I will say this… and with what the market seems to be and what the Sens should do

      IMO…The team that could really benefit and not phase them at all from getting Stone is Tampa Bay….

      This is such the perfect player for them to get …he comes with leadership and grit and would fit in perfect on ANY line on that team ..and would put them into crazy crazy good over the top …they dont need a #1 pick and they have a litter of young players to send the other way …essentially what ever they would have sent over in a Karlsson deal from last year …but maybe anti up a little more and they would be over the top good!

      How would this go over …YIKES!

      Stone

      to Tampa

      FOR

      1st Rounder 2019
      Alex Killorn OR JT Miller – ……Replace Duchene at Center
      Taylor Radysh ….Left Wing prospect to replace Stone
      Cameron Guance ….D Man prospect
      Matt Carle …..Buried salary $ 1.8 million

      I took the bait ….LOL 🙂 Slow day in my office ..LOL

      Cheers

      • I think ott will insist on a signing compensation… it’s kinda a thing lately

    • Stone and Ceci to Canes for 2019 1st, 2020 conditional 1st, 2020 3rd, Pesce, Necas.
      if Canes won’t do Necas , then 2019 1st, 2020 conditional 1st, Pesce, Fleury and Foegle or Kuokkanen.

      • Looks like they’ve either decided that Lajoie needs more seasoning on D OR they’re clearing the decks for someone coming in today via trade, as they just sent him to Belleville

      • I figured that was coming , the kid has struggled since the first month of the season and his confidence may be taking a beating. Lajoie has the tools but is far too easy to knock off the puck, he needs to add some strength and size in the off season. Also needs to improve on his D zone awareness.

    • For Boston 1st , Zboril, Frederick no 2nd 1st if signed

      • Well caper… that offer isn’t even in the ball park with the others.

      • Agree that is what it would take Caper, still hate it from a Bruins perspective.
        I think if Sweeney does make a move it will be a less expensive one.

      • Chisms, I think it is a lot better than what CLB gave up for Duchene.

      • Chrism, not sure if its better or not. As Ray pointed out it’s a better offer then they got for Duchene. The two prospect are former 1st round picks. With Zabril he can be back with his q partner in Thomas Chabot.

        If the cost is more then that, then skate away let someone else pay the price.

      • Those that dare to venture experience the greatest rewards. Those that sit on maybe assets in the hope that they turn out to be superior will always be bridesmaids.

      • Stone will get a lot more than duschene got, it might be the style 2 prospects and picks but the prospects will be better. You throw out what position it is, trade deadline rentals don’t matter about being a c,rw,lw or dman

      • It’s not better than duschene haul.

        And my comment was comparing that offer to the ones posted above.

      • Chrisms, do you really think that Abramov and Davidsson are better prospects than Zboril and Frederic?
        Would like to hear why. Zboril still projects to be a regular NHL D-man. I would bet $100 that he plays at 10 years in the NHL. Not a star but solid #4 type. Frederic a bit more of an unknown but has a real chance to be a good 3C with size and speed. Both playing really well in Providence. Zboril will push for a regular spot next season.
        From what I have read about the CLB prospects, maybe speedy wingers with a chance to make it and contribute offence.
        I sure as heck wouldn’t swap them for what the B’s have.

      • I think the prospects involved have similar value mr bark. The lack of the conditional 1st if resigned is the big difference. Any team making that kinda buy is going to be a motivated signer. You add the conditional 1st in 2020 and the deals are roughly the same.

  4. Johansson could be a nice add somewhere. Playoff experiance and currently healthy with good hands. Should be low cost

    Kadri and Gardiner out . Home ice is slipping away. I think the Leafs are adding Simmonds.

    • @ SilverSeven

      As a Leaf fan ..I really hope not …I really liked Simmonds at the start of the year but not so much now watching him play this year !

      I posted yesterday on my thoughts on that and some players whom I see as better options with term.

      Cheers 🙂

    • I gather you mean those two are out due to injury and not as a precaution prior to a deal involving Simmonds

  5. An interesting problem is the the value of 2nd, third, & later round draft choices varies from team to team. Some teams are good at drafting and development, and even find great value in free agents….others seem to bring in players of some promise only to consistently see them prosper elsewhere or bust I have never heard a GM say explicitly “we are awfule at development, so we need to build through trades”, but some should.

    • @ RIchard Ilfeld

      I agree with you… hence my post up top….nice for chiming in…..something a bit more progressive to discuss other than Zuccarello and Simmonds after 4 months ! LOL

      In my research the Yotes are a great team for drafting but have a HUGE problem developing ! They have a really good talent pool that they just seem to waste away most years and then make trades to upgrade !

      Same goes for the Oilers

      However with the new style of NHL player kids are amazing hockey players all ready at the age of 12 years old sometimes and go through rigorous Summer camps yearly….and that pool is now bigger …and thats why I think that there is way better players to be had in later rounds now ..its just a slower development for them but the exception pool and the really good pool are really close for 1st rounders to 3rd rounders these days !

  6. IF Stone gets flipped earlier than the last second, do teams call NYR about both Hayes AND Kreider? Kreider is a big, young and fast NHLer and a smaller contact than what Stone would command in the offseason…

    a Team like NSH with both forward and defensive prospects…

  7. Personally, I am still holding out hope Stone resigns. But if not, here are three trades for himI’d like to see (outside of getting our own first out of Colorado).

    Winnipeg for Jack Roslovic, Logan Stanley, 1st Round, Conditional 2nd on Resign

    Thoughts: Senators get a versatile skilled future top 6 and add a decent and needed defensive prospect.

    Calgary for Sam Bennet, Tyler Parson, Spencer Foo, 2020 2nd becomes First if Stone resigns

    Thoughts: Bennet needs a fresh start. I love Foo’s upside and Parsons I feel is a gamble worth taking. Quality in players is here.

    Islanders for: Dal Colle, Ho Sang, Bellows, 1st Round, Conditional 2nd on design

    Thoughts: Dal Colle & Ho Sang are high risk high reward to me. Bellows is a sure fire star.

    Some of these may end up needing extra peices, but if you have to move Stone and have a bidding war there is a good chance to pick up some solid pieces to move forward with.

    • JJB ,

      Wpg , I posted the same offer earlier soon the same page.

      Calgary , don’t like this deal , Foo ? need to understand the upside @ 25 still in the AHL, Parsons good prospect….Sens would likely want one of Kylingtion or Andersson instead of Foo.

      NYI , very solid offer , but not sure Lamoreillo would clean the forward prospect cupboard clean for a rental. The Sens could ask for Dobson but settle on Wilde ….they need some D prospects . Another Islander that could be in the mix is Beauvillier.

    • Stone to Calgary for,..a first,…a conditional first,…Mangiapnne…and Kylingtin…

    • I wouldn’t touch that flake Ho Sang with the proverbial 10-foot pole. Let his remain Lou’s headache.

      And NOBODY from a minor-league prospect pool is a sure fire star. Picks like Matthews, McDavid, Eichel etc who go straight to the NHL can be tagged as “sure-fire” but not someone, In 55 gp with Bridgeport he has all of 11 goals and 5 assists.

      • @ George O

        LMAO …me neither George ….

        there are A LOT of players looking for jobs …that will fit in nicely that you dont have to baby sit !

      • Besides, being a Toronto boy I’m sure he’s dreamed of donning the Maple Leaf. 🙂

  8. God I hope the Leafs don’t add Simmons or anyone else similar for that matter….I would write off this year….they are not getting by both Boston & Tampa

    I hope that one of the benefits of these contracts with so many bonuses due this July 1 ( I think there are 6 including Matthews, Nylander, Tavarres, Marleau) is that some may be more attractive trade material July 2 than they are now.

    This team is very talented but badly constructed and stubbornly & harmfully coached …straighten out these problems….then go about making changes with an eye to the cup.

    I would trade Matthews if the right offer were there….don’t see them winning with 4 credible centres with the level of 1 st to 2 and no credible big number 1 alpha male Dman….with all respect to Rielly who is playing well and a real leader on the ice….

    They have to get Gardiner out of there….he turns the other cheek too easily too often….he is veteran who sets a bad example in terms of the hardness it takes to win in the play offs….would be good with a team that already had an alpha male D man…Leafs don’t

    I would have both Dubas and Babcock on a short leash next year…something seems rotten in Denmark

    No Simmons or similar trade this year….I fear the play offs has already been lost

    • What about a rental like Silfverberg from ANA? to give depth in all areas…and he competes…..

      • Silverberg just signed a 5 year extension, but it can’t be officially announced until Monday for cap reasons.

        So I’d say he’s not available, and definitely not a rental.

      • @ NYR4

        I did not hear about that. my bad then. Good for ANA .

    • OBD, I think the Leafs can go on a run in the playoffs and agree they shouldn’t be spending on a playoff rental unless they find a deal that helps them past this season.
      The think the Leafs/Bruins series will come down to goal tending. Totally different teams with different strengths, but evenly matched IMO assuming both teams are healthy.
      I think all us Bruin fans are happy with how Rask is playing right now, I also think we are all just a little nervous about how he will play come playoff time based on his history.
      TB is the class of the NHL, but again a hot goalie can get you past a better team in a series. A key injury can also be the difference.
      The B’s and Leafs are in the toughest bracket in the league, but they have a reasonable chance of getting out of it, and if they do can go all the way.
      The Leafs have time on their side the B’s don’t.

    • @OBD I agree on Gardner. Also think Kadri and Brown are gone after Bonus paid out July 2. Cannot afford them going forward and nobody else wants or can pay the bonus money. As currently assembled, I have a hard time believing this group can get beyond Boston. If Simmonds can help them do that I would go for it. Would also add McQuaid if only to play him in place of Gardner versus Boston. I think Leafs match up better with Tampa as both are finesse teams.

      Lyle, agreed, I think the only team that makes sense for Kovalchuk is the Islanders. They lack depth on LW and he has veteran presence. Maybe with some salary retention and other pieces he is the return for Joshua Hosang?

    • @ Old Blue Dog… Good day

      I agree with a lot you said …

      obviously you know my stance on Gardiner Zaitsev since GAME 1 of this year ..I have been ringing that bell for 2 years now on here …

      No to ANY rental …

      a 1st and Grundstrum and Durzi for Muzzin was a hefty price from the prospect pool ..to do the same for a rental would be ignorant & Stupid.

      It would take a Miracle on Ice to get past Tampa as you say ..and not to far off to get by Boston as well with the current active roster …just dont have the power to plow through wayyyyy to soft for either team and if the Leafs end up having to play Columbus they may fall to them now as well…..Columbus has owned the leafs with hard nose play by Jenner Atkinson Foligno & Anderson.

      Leafs really need to move out Nylander …so stupid by Dubas to make the comment he will never be traded as long as he is there ..very GREEN comment !

      Id move Nylander Gardiner and Trevor Moore , Liljergen both 1A prospects in any deal TO UPGRADE players WITH TERM !
      Zaitsev contract almost unmovable !

      Nice to talk ..Go Leafs Go !

      Cheers

    • Wow. This is what 50 years looks like. Yikes.

      • @ chrisms

        This is what 50 years looks like. Yikes.

        What does this mean ???

      • The leafs have as good a chance this year as anyone and this guy is so jaded he is out… that’s… sad.

    • Wow trade Mathews gas Babcock , Dubas lol your Leaf support is no longer needed lol

  9. If Dubas wants guys with term then I would say Kassian is a good fit.

    • @ Yes guy

      NO THANK YOU !!!

    • Like Brown, Leafs still couldn’t afford him beyond this year. I think Marchment takes that role next year, but if Leafs do anything this year it has to be a rental, ie. Simmonds or Ferland, and doubt it will be Ferland as Canes do not appear to be conceding anything.

      • @ Murph

        With the Jackets plumping up ….and ONLY 1 point bac of the Canes …I think the Canes should keep the overall roster they have …and not look to make any serious moves now …by deleting players that they actually need and then have to trade for when they all ready have them now !

        If the canes are serious they may have to fork over a high draft pick and a prospect to bolster the line up to make space between the Jackets and themselves ….this will be the most interesting race in the league now …there are 3 teams in on that Wild card spot and the Jackets have the best over all team now …not only does this make int harder for the Canes Habs and Jackets…but it may effect who the Leafs play as well if they continue to slide …and if the Leafs have to play the Jackets in the end it will be a toss up there to …..if it wasnt for Holtby last year the Jackets seemed to be a quality match for the caps early on and could repeat that program and better the outcome now this year with that group !

        Cheers

  10. McQuaid and Simmonds would add overall team toughness (not fighting) which is going to be mandatory to beat anyone in the playoffs . I think both the Flames And Leafs could use some.

    • nobody is beating tb in the east unless you physically beat on them like Washington did last year, tb has better offense,defense and goaltending than every team in the league but some of their players will step back when they’re getting hit over and over

      • Stone will (and should) bring in more then Duchene. The guy is just built for the playoffs. Duchene, while a great player, I can see digressing a bit.

      • Ugg.. didn’t mean to reply to you…… need a delete feature Lyle! 😉

    • @ Silver – Agreed. @ Kal El – also agree. Might be a Canes Leafs swap at draft.

  11. The trades so far are exciting and many more to come

    I’m still hoping that Stone resigns with Sens and becomes the Captain they build around

    Leafs

    Would Simmonds look nice as a Leaf…. yes

    Does he add grit…. yep

    Should GMKD trade for him ….. nope!

    And this is nothing against Simmonds. I love the guy and have had a very brief interaction/discussion with him a few years ago….he grew up very very close to where I did…. very nice young man and hard working and great net presence. Great player .

    Why wouldn’t I want him as a Leaf ….. 3 letters …. UFA…. Leafs should not under any circumstance; be going after a UFA unless it is for depth only and costs at most a 4th rounder…. Leafs are NOT cup contenders this year and are NOT even getting out of he EAST this year

    Their focus should only be minor moves with only one true, IMO, achievable expectation….that being …. an extra 2 (maybe 3 home gates… ie beating Bruins to get to TBay series) no move out there IMO that can get them even close to beating TBay

    Bruins on Stone :

    After some thought …. it’s not a ridiculous move IF they think they can get him to re-sign…. not saying he would get them past TBay; but does IMO assure them of beating Leafs and then they’d have him for out years (my assumption above re squiring only if they believe they can re-sign him)

    Added bonus …. if a miracle happens (Vazy and/or Kucherov getting swine flu) then beating TBay is s glimmer and after that I believe Bruins with Stone (and now Coyle) match up very well against any Metro team and against the favs in the West (SJ, Cgy, Winn , Nsh)

    It’s too bad for Bruins that they wouldn’t be able to move Backes in the deal

    The two firsts (‘19 and conditional ‘20) are given

    Is it then plus Heinen and Zobril?

    My absolute biggest fear now as a Pens fan is GMJR making ANOTHER bonehead move

    The JJ signing , AND repeatedly defending his play; coupled with Sully playing him EVERY game and vastly disproportionate minutes (to playing value) …. now has Pens on the precipice of missing the playoffs . JJ has individually cost ; AT A MINIMUM; 4 wins this year… 8 points … they’d be 1st in Metro and not 1 point away from missing the playoffs

    Pens just have no chance at cup this year… do NOT waste the 1st GMJR…. the best it gets you ; as it stands right now; is MAYBE (big maybe) getting to play 2 games against TBay in the ECF…. giving away the first… you don’t pick until the 4th missing out on 3 rounds in a “deep” draft

    This absolutely insane and incredibly remote chance move …. is the only way that Pens could even dream of a cup this year:

    Pearson , JJ, ZAR, 1st (‘19); conditional 1st (‘21)

    For Stone and Ceci

    Then call Murray and get him to miraculously take Ceci , Ruhweedel , 1st (‘20) , and maybe Blueger for Montour

    Each of those trades about a 0.0000000001% chance of happening ; but don’t forget Dear Jim; you got Pens into this mess; you can get them out ; right!

    You see now Jim you have

    Crosby Guentz Stone/Rust

    Gino Bjugstad Stone/Rust

    McCann Phil Simon

    Cullen Horny Angelo

    Wilson

    Letang Petterson

    Shultz Dumo

    Montour Riikola ( Maata when back)

    …. that’ll get you the cup right Jim ….. ahhhhh me thinks you forgot about TBay…. oh well Jim

    But if you think Vazy and Kucherov will get Mono; AND Phil will stop moping and start producing again; AND Murray is going to play consistently ; AND Dorion is insane enough to take JJ in the deal; AND you will publicly admit your JJ mistake; AND Anaheim’s Murray will bite on the Ceci, Ruhwedel; Blueger; 1st for Montour trade; AND you believe no one else on team gets injured…. then Jim , you can give up the first…. because then as you can see …. the cup is a certainty right

    ☹️☹️☹️☹️☹️☹️

    Sarcastically yours

    Pengy

    • Pengy could something like this work

      to OTT: Ruhwedel, Pearson, and 2 2nd rd picks
      to Pitts: Dzingel, Ceci and Gaborik’s LTIR contract

      ??

      Pitts can keep Gaborik on LTIR and get an upgrade in Ceci over Ruhwedel. They upgrade also on wing with Dzingel over Pearson.

      Ott gets 2 2nd rd picks and two roster players along with ridding themselves of having to pay for Gaboriks contract in cash.

      Ott still would be above the cap floor.

      • Hi IHC

        From a Pens perspective …. yep yep yep…. however Pens don’t have a second round pick until 2021 right now

        I haven’t checked the Cap numbers but assuming it doesn’t put Pens over Cap AND of course assuming they did have the 2 2nds… that’s fair for Pens; Sens might hold out for more

        I don’t think Sens consider this if it’s 2nds in ‘21 and ‘22… that’s why I was throwing a Roster (ZAR) into the mix of my insane trade

        The gamble of course for the Pens is the Gaborik move … is he permanently (until retirement) LTIR?

        Gaboriks contract is beneficial to Ottw for cap floor for next year and all Melnyk has to pay is the INS premium … is it 15% ; of his Sal…, if so ~ $460K to buy almost $5M in Cap space …. and he’ll need to get to the cap floor

        Dzingel/Ceci replacing Pearson/Ruhweedel certainly is an improvement; and MAY (with a prolonged JJ illness) get them to ECF where they fall short to Bolts

        Putting ALL jokes aside and with true and utter sincerity…. GMJRs stance on JJ is the problem (along with Sully playing him 15-19 minutes a game)

        In my heart of hearts ; no joking at all; just sitting JJ and adding basically ANY bottom pairing RHD off of ANY team; IMO ; ensures Pens in playoffs and a Fair shot at winning 1 round; 60% chance of getting to ECF against Bolts…. can GMJR take Dorion out for drinks and get him hammered for :

        Ruhweedel + JJ + 2nd (‘21) for Ceci ….. Nope but:

        Letang/Petterson

        Shultz/Dumo

        Ceci/Riikola (Maata when back)

        Immediately reduces an average of 1 GA per game over current D alignment

        If somehow GMJR then gets Anaheim’s MURRAY blasted and :

        Pearson , Ceci , ZAR , Cullen ; 1st

        For

        Montour and Ritchie

        Now that alignment IMO gets them to about 80% chance of getting to ECF vs Bolts

        You see all the complicated trades ; deals; and getting two other GMs hammered …. is just not going to happen…. and that only gets them to maybe 80% chance of ECF

        If they do absolutely ZERO further trades but completely sit JJ; I personally guarantee that Pens will finish top 3 in Metro and have probably a 60 % chance of winning the first round

        This can be kept out of GMJRs hands… Sully can make this call

        Happening …. forgeddabiudid

        Thanks a million GMJR

    • Peggy…i hope gmjr has something up his sleeve…Columbus i heard is on the verge of another big deal..islanders will do something…capitals lost today unexpected..they added hagelin jensen Columbus playing sharks now. We need a boost..if giving up a number #1 who cares number 1 picks in the nhl arent like tbe nfl..must go for it…

      • Hi BlackNGold

        I just wouldn’t give up the first unless they are landing a huge deal with player having term or UFA that has a high probability of re-signing…. AND sitting JJ

        Giving up the first in a normal circumstance (I agree with you ; NHL first rounders not like 1st rounders in football) is OK

        However… this is not a normal situation…the prospect cupboard is already bare; and giving up 1st then has them picking their first pick in the middle of the fourth round; and even with a very good acquisition by trading the 1st; still can’t get them by Bolts

        As I posted above to IHC…. just completely sitting JJ will ensure a play-off berth and massively increase play-off success

        Getting a great add via using the first…, but still using JJ; to me , is a complete waste

        Now…. if there is a magical way to move JJ; 1st; and something to get Montour ….. that could (read “might” be enough to) get them to ECF with Bolts

        I fear the most that GMJR still does another boner move; sends out the 1st; and still Sully plays JJ every game ….. and JJ costs Pens from getting into the playoffs ….. that is more likely to happen

        I’m just depressed about the whole thing

        “All In” under any reasonable trade that I can imagine; still at best; with everything going their way; AND only with a seriously prlonged JJ illness; gets them to ECF and no further…. and then picking first pick at about 110

        😆😭😆😭☹️☹️☹️☹️

    • Who the heck is Horny Angelo? And how do YOU know?

      • LOL… I guess punctuation is paramount!!!

        Well he better have good chemistry with the team

        To clarify , for those not knowing …. Horny … Hornquist

        Anthony Angelo has yet to play a single game in the NHL but I’ve been following him with the baby Pens and he has been doing very well; has fair size; and I’ve been posting my repeated want for sully to give him a few games on the 4th line to show that he can contribute on the big club

      • thanks guys had a good laugh on that exchange re: Horny Angelo

  12. The trades so far are exciting and many more to come

    I’m still hoping that Stone resigns with Sens and becomes the Captain they build around

    Leafs

    Would Simmonds look nice as a Leaf…. yes

    Does he add grit…. yep

    Should GMKD trade for him ….. nope!

    And this is nothing against Simmonds. I love the guy and have had a very brief interaction/discussion with him a few years ago….he grew up very very close to where I did…. very nice young man and hard working and great net presence. Great player .

    Why wouldn’t I want him as a Leaf ….. 3 letters …. UFA…. Leafs should not under any circumstance; be going after a UFA unless it is for depth only and costs at most a 4th rounder…. Leafs are NOT cup contenders this year and are NOT even getting out of he EAST this year

    Their focus should only be minor moves with only one true, IMO, achievable expectation….that being …. an extra 2 (maybe 3 home gates… ie beating Bruins to get to TBay series) no move out there IMO that can get them even close to beating TBay

    Bruins on Stone :

    After some thought …. it’s not a ridiculous move IF they think they can get him to re-sign…. not saying he would get them past TBay; but does IMO assure them of beating Leafs and then they’d have him for out years (my assumption above re squiring only if they believe they can re-sign him)

    Added bonus …. if a miracle happens (Vazy and/or Kucherov getting swine flu) then beating TBay is s glimmer and after that I believe Bruins with Stone (and now Coyle) match up very well against any Metro team and against the favs in the West (SJ, Cgy, Winn , Nsh)

    It’s too bad for Bruins that they wouldn’t be able to move Backes in the deal

    The two firsts (‘19 and conditional ‘20) are given

    Is it then plus Heinen and Zobril?

    My absolute biggest fear now as a Pens fan is GMJR making ANOTHER bonehead move

    The JJ signing , AND repeatedly defending his play; coupled with Sully playing him EVERY game and vastly disproportionate minutes (to playing value) …. now has Pens on the precipice of missing the playoffs . JJ has individually cost ; AT A MINIMUM; 4 wins this year… 8 points … they’d be 1st in Metro and not 1 point away from missing the playoffs

    Pens just have no chance at cup this year… do NOT waste the 1st GMJR…. the best it gets you ; as it stands right now; is MAYBE (big maybe) getting to play 2 games against TBay in the ECF…. giving away the first… you don’t pick until the 4th missing out on 3 rounds in a “deep” draft

    This absolutely insane and incredibly remote chance move …. is the only way that Pens could even dream of a cup this year:

    Pearson , JJ, ZAR, 1st (‘19); conditional 1st (‘21)

    For Stone and Ceci

    Then call Murray and get him to miraculously take Ceci , Ruhweedel , 1st (‘20) , and maybe Blueger for Montour

    Each of those trades about a 0.0000000001% chance of happening ; but don’t forget Dear Jim; you got Pens into this mess; you can get them out ; right!

    You see now Jim you have

    Crosby Guentz Stone/Rust

    Gino Bjugstad Stone/Rust

    McCann Phil Simon

    Cullen Horny Angelo

    Wilson

    Letang Petterson

    Shultz Dumo

    Montour Riikola ( Maata when back)

    …. that’ll get you the cup right Jim ….. ahhhhh me thinks you forgot about TBay…. oh well Jim

    But if you think Vazy and Kucherov will get Mono; AND Phil will stop moping and start producing again; AND Murray is going to play consistently ; AND Dorion is insane enough to take JJ in the deal; AND you will publicly admit your JJ mistake; AND Anaheim’s Murray will bite on the Ceci, Ruhwedel; Blueger; 1st for Montour trade; AND you believe no one else on team gets injured…. then Jim , you can give up the first…. because then as you can see …. the cup is a certainty right

    ☹️☹️☹️☹️☹️☹️

    Sarcastically yours

    Pengy

    • Sorry for the duplicate post Lyle

      It looked like the first one didn’t go so I pushed send again

    • @ PENGY

      Huge game tonight for Leafs …and Habs for that matter ….LOL

      wander what team is going to show up …Leafs that is ..LOL

      I have been rigorously going through all the cap situations and tradable Right shot D men …..and have added Bogosian to my wish list if the Leafs can get rid of either Gardiner or Zaitsev contract ..

      I have seen Bogosian play 6 times this year live and I only go to high quality games in my pack and he has been really solid… rock steady and HITS ..great first pass ..nothing fancy and plays really well infront of the net and seems to get shots through on a dime QUICK when he is at the blue line …

      Wander what you think and your thoughts about this and what do you think the Leafs would have to pay up for this Right handed shooter…he could be a nice option at a decent cost instead of having to bust the bank fort other options …he is an older player for the Sabres who may want to move his money out for next year could be a solid pick up ???

      he is one more year at $5 plus and change …only 1 million more than Gardiner for 1 more year …allows Leafs another year to wait for Sandin and Liljergen if they are still available ..I know Sandin will be for sure …LOL

      I think this could be a very solid move ..IMO.. Better than McQuaid id say

      thoughts ???

      As per our good friend Bob Cole …leaf vs Habs …

      Should be a DANDY !! …GO LEAFS !

      🙂

      • KalEl

        Will be a very exciting game

        Bogasian add has its merits and yes for sure an upgrade…. but as it is leaning right now … his $5.15 M is not affordable next year unless one/both of WW/ Marleau are moved… and they,d be moving in July … where a (then) highly reasonable WW contract , can bring in a much sought after top 4 mid 20’s RHD

        Bogasian add now might (only a slight increase in probability) get Leafs past Bruins…. still no chance at beating bolts Bolts

        No chance whatsoever, in any reality that Buff take Zaitzev in that trade and Leafs would have to add a fair amount if only giving Buff the UFA Gardner

        My reality check has me believing that Leafs ceiling this playoffs is (under any move) beating Bruins and losing to Bolts in 6 … so major moves giving up futures have to be worth (at best) 7 home games

        If as TSN says; McQ can be had for a 3rd… then that’s a wor5while move; all other moves (if any ) pre TDL should be for term

        then after season ends; focus on MM extension; then pay SB 1/7; then move WW for mid 20’s top 4 RHD

        GO LEAFS GO

  13. After the injury to Skinner that I just saw (legs shouldn’t be contorted that way!), I believe Buffalo just became a buyer…or seller! Brutal injury!

    • Stone would be a fantastic add for them. But I think I’d rather see him play with ROR in St Louis. What a tagteam they could be!!!!

      And I believe both teams have the assets to get a move done

    • For as bad as it looked Skinner is back out for the third period.

      Saw a Zuccarello to Dallas rumor…

  14. It looks like Tampa Bay has been crowned eastern champs with a quarter of the season left????
    Well that’s why they play the games, time will tell.

    • Tampa is beatable 5 on 5. The game is called and played different in the playoffs.

      • Have you noticed TB defensive play since all star break? They have been practicing for play-offs and won 8 straight. They be ok Five on five.

      • Your name brings me chuckles

  15. 100💥💥💥