Sunday NHL Rumor Roundup – February 24, 2019

by | Feb 24, 2019 | Rumors | 121 comments

On the eve of the Feb. 25 trade deadline, check out the latest on Mark Stone, Kevin Hayes, Wayne Simmonds and more in the Sunday NHL rumor roundup. 

With the trade deadline a day away, all eyes are on Ottawa Senators winger Mark Stone (Photo via NHL Images)

STONE

SPORTSNET: Nick Kypreos reports the market for Ottawa Senators right wing Mark Stone is drying up because the Senators’ asking price is too high. They’re looking for Grade-A prospects as part of the return. If the market comes down, the Winnipeg Jets and Calgary Flames would be the front-runners for Stone, with the Nashville Predators and Boston Bruins on the outside looking in. Elliotte Friedman said there’s a feeling the Senators could attempt to return to Stone to see if they can re-sign him. 

OTTAWA SUN: Bruce Garrioch also reports there’s a slim hope the two sides might reach an agreement on a contract extension. The Stone camp previously rejected an eight-year offer. He also lists the Jets, Bruins, and Flames as possible suitors, along with the Vegas Golden Knights. It’s believed the Senators seek a first-round pick along with two strong assets for Stone. A league source suggested as many as eight teams in the playoff race could be looking at the winger. 

SPECTOR’S NOTE: The Senators shipped out Matt Duchene on Friday and Ryan Dzingel yesterday. Stone could be moved today but this could go down to tomorrow’s 3 pm ET deadline. If the Senators cannot re-sign him, they’ll either risk losing him for nothing via free agency this summer or peddle him for the best offer they can find. I don’t think they have much choice but to choose the latter option. Maybe one of those clubs gets desperate enough to meet the Sens’ asking price before then. 

RANGERS

SPORTSNET: Nick Kypreos believes New York Rangers center Kevin Hayes could become “Plan B” for teams that fail to land Mark Stone from the Ottawa Senators. Those clubs could include the Jets and Predators. The Jets’ first-round pick is in play and Kypreos speculates a prospect like Logan Stanley might also interest the Rangers. 

NEW YORK POST: Larry Brooks reports the Flames, Jets, and Bruins are looking at Hayes but they’re also waiting to see what the Senators do with Mark Stone. He also reports the Bruins, Predators, and Toronto Maple Leafs are said to be interested in Rangers winger Chris Kreider, who’s signed through next season with a $4.625-million salary-cap hit. If the Rangers don’t intend on keeping Kreider beyond 2019-20, he feels they should either move him now or during the NHL Draft in June. 

SPECTOR’S NOTE: If the Senators remain insistent on a big return for Stone, some of the clubs interested in him could shift their focus to Hayes today. Because of Kreider’s contract and his physical offensive style, the Rangers could set a higher asking price than what they could seek for Hayes. 

SIMMONDS

SPORTSNET: Elliotte Friedman speculates the Jets, Flames, and San Jose Sharks could have interest in Philadelphia Flyers winger Wayne Simmonds “if Philadelphia feels (a) it wants to make the deal, and (b) is sufficiently out of the playoffs, to do it too.”

SPECTOR’S NOTE: Earlier this month there was a report indicating the Flyers still intended to trade Simmonds regardless of their surge in the standings. He could also become an option for clubs that lose out on Mark Stone. 

PANTHERS PLANNING DEADLINE MOVES?

THE ATHLETIC (subscription required): George Richards reports Derick Brassard could be the Florida Panthers’ biggest trade chip when it comes to players on expiring contracts. They scratched him from yesterday’s game against the Los Angeles Kings and Richards expects a number of playoff contender to express interest in Brassard.

Other pending UFAs who could become trade candidates include Riley Sheahan, Bogdan Kiselevich, Jamie McGinn, Troy Brouwer, and Chris Wideman. Defenseman Mark Pysyk, who’s signed through 2019-20, could also be available. The Panthers also requested a list of trade destinations from winger Mike Hoffman. 

SPECTOR’S NOTE: Sportsnet analyst and former NHL forward Marc Savard reports the Arizona Coyotes could be among the clubs looking at Hoffman as they hope to make a push for the playoffs. The Panthers should get a better return for him than what they might get for Brassard. 

BLACKHAWKS

THE ATHLETIC (subscription required): Scott Powers reports the Chicago Blackhawks have told inquiring teams they aren’t trading defenseman Erik Gustafsson, who has 43 points in 59 games this season. Meanwhile, Duncan Keith, Brent Seabrook, Artem Anisimov, Marcus Kruger, and Chris Kunitz have no interest in waiving their no-movement clauses. They’re still shopping winger John Hayden. 

SPECTOR’S NOTE: The Blackhawks could be a modest buyer by the deadline. As they’ve played their way back into the playoff picture I don’t see them being sellers. 

OILERS

NEW YORK POST: Larry Brooks reports the Edmonton Oilers weren’t likely to move winger Jesse Puljujarvi, who could be sidelined for the season with a lower-body injury. He adds the Oilers were telling interested parties they’d also have to take Milan Lucic and his $6-million annual average value through 2022-23 as well. 

SPECTOR’S NOTE: Lucic would also have to waive his no-movement clause, which he probably might do considering how poorly things are going in Edmonton. But nobody’s taking that contract off their hands so no point worrying over whether Lucic would agree to be dealt. 

POTENTIAL TRADE TARGETS FOR THE FLAMES

CALGARY SUN: Wes Gilbertson lists Ottawa’s Mark Stone, Philadelphia’s Wayne Simmonds, the Rangers’ Kevin Hayes, Colorado Avalanche defenseman Patrik Nemeth, and Detroit Red Wings forward Gustav Nyquist as potential trade targets for the Flames. 

SPECTOR’S NOTE: I don’t see Flames GM Brad Treliving standing pat. With his club riding high in the Western Conference standings and visions of the Stanley Cup dancing in his head, I expect he’ll make an acquisition before the deadline, perhaps for one of those players on Gilbertson’s list. 

QUIET DEADLINE FOR LEAFS?

SPORTSNET: Chris Johnston reports the Toronto Maple Leafs could be quiet at the deadline as the prices could be too high. They’ve been scouting the Carolina Hurricanes, who have some right-shot defenseman such as Brett Pesce, but Johnston speculates if they do make a move it could be a small one. 

STAAL WANTS TO STAY IN MINNESOTA 

SPORTSNET: Elliotte Friedman reports Minnesota Wild center Eric Staal does not want to be traded. He has a 10-team no-trade list. While he cannot prevent a deal, he’s made it clear he prefers to stay in Minnesota. That could kill off interest from clubs that might’ve considered looking into his availability. 







121 Comments

  1. Chris Kreider checks all the boxes of what the Bruins are looking for as he would for a lot of teams but the cost will probably be to high……

    • Was thinking the same thing. If I’m giving up a first possibly second and two prospects for Stone as a rental. I would rather give it to NY for Kreider who would be signed for another year.
      I remember Boston wanted Kreider at the draft that year. I think they always wanted him.

    • Hi Lyle….. good morning

      Just out of curiosity …and so I have my facts straight…

      What is the window that C B J has once the playoffs are done to move the rights or trade Duchene, Panarin and Bobrovsky ..can they make moves right up to end of June or at the draft for rights?

      Just wandering if he has an out or can get a return if all 3 do not want to re sign ..thx

      Cheers

      • The Jackets own their rights up to 11:59 am et on July 1. Once their playoffs have ended, the Jackets can trade them leading up to that time.

      • That’s what I thought .

        Thx

    • The problem is cap space. The Bruins are at $74.7 million for next year (next year’s cap is estimated to be between $81.4 and $85.4 M) and that’s before resigning Chara and giving raises to our RFAs like McAvoy, Carlo, Heinen and Cehlarik. We probably wouldn’t be able to keep Kreider unless we trade Krug or bribe someone to take Backes off our hands.

  2. Zucc to Dallas for 2 conditionals. Does anyone know how they exactly work when you acquire 2 conditionals?

    Odd Dzingel got 2 2nds and Zucc only got 2 conditionals when Zuccs career has the better body of work along with playoff success.

    • If Dallas wins 2 playoff rounds the conditional 2nd becomes a 1st … the conditional 3rd becomes a 1st if Zuccarello re-signs with Dallas

      As for the differences between he and Dzingel, Zuccarello turns 32 before next season starts while Dzingel turns 27 this March – probably had something to do with it. While giving Dzingel maybe 5 years won’t be too risky, how many years does Zuccarello realistically expect to get on a new deal?

      I can see him being one of those rarities who signs back with the NYR this off-season.

      • I would be curious if CBJ offered the same package for Zuc as they did for Dzingel or if he was never on their radar. Regardless of their ages, this spring I would prefer Zuc for a playoff run.

      • thanks George for the clarification.

      • George, I can’t see Zuc going back to NY. My guess is he wanted more than 2-3 years and some sort of ntc considering what he’s gone through. Rangers seem to be moving toward a younger roster and just like last year they’re cutting ties with players regardless of popularity. I can see Dallas maybe resigning him. They have a lot of older guys on expiring contracts. With a lot of young stud damn I don’t see Methot resigned. Also no way Spezza is back. Interesting if Dallas miraculously makes it to conf finals, and Tampa wins it all, Rangers will have 2 more 1st round picks. Figuring Hayes could fetch a 1st also, that’ll be 4 1st rounders this draft!

      • @ GEORGE O

        I think its rather ironic that what started this entire mess with Duchene and costing you the first rounder this year was that Melnyk and Dorion did not want to pay TURRIS an extra few million per year and looked to upgrade on him and now have fallen short in the long term due to that scenario with that player as the catalyst to this hole mess.

        Where the irony is for me …is that by not giving Turris maybe an extra $2million per …they still have no problem absorbing almost $10 million in contracts for players that are not playing for them …

        PLUS in that overall deal they gave up 2019 first rounder and Shane Bowers along with Turris …and then screwed themselves for players and draft picks.
        I am sorry for not explaining myself as well as I wished on this topic…but it is a weird scenario how this all happened an yet they still absorb money for non playing players and let go of Karlsson Turris because they didnt want to pay !

      • But in retrospect, Turris – the 3rd highest paid F on Nashville – isn’t worth the $6 mil they gave him to 2023-24, and unless he finds some way to turn it around, that now looks like a wise move by Dorion. In a combined 76 gp last year he had 16g 35a 51 pts and in13 playoff games gave the Preds 3 assists! This season he has all of 7g 15a in 39 gp. Sorry, but that doesn’t warrant $6 mil – that’s Lucic territory.

        And by the way, do you think anyone is going to fork over $12 mil long-term for Karlsson?

    • The conditions:

      If Dallas wins the first 2 rounds of the the playoffs, the 2nd becomes a first, and if Dzingel resigns with Dallas, the third also becomes a first. So the minimum is the second and third, but could end up as 2 firsts

      • I think, as a Ranger fan, I will be routing hard for the Stars this year in the playoffs…….

      • Thank you for the clarification

      • Dov Kas. Stars AND Lightning!!

      • Kal El your statement wasn’t true yesterday and still not true today.
        Since 2010 the most 2nd round players in the nhl is 19 in 2011, 2013 and 2015 follow by 17 in 2010.

        Of interest the most in the 3rd round was 14 in 2012 follow by 12 in 2013 coincidently them 2 yrs also had strong 4th round nhl with 8 and 7. 8 was the highest achieved 2012 and 2015. 2012 and 2013 had the most combined 2-4 round picks make it to the NHL 2013 38 and 2012 35

        This isn’t a debate to say there in no quantity or quality in the 2nd round or later, just to point out it always been there.

        Nhl teams don’t want to give up a first round pick and they rather give two second then one first. Because teams are trying to hang on to their first round picks. Case in point Ottawa was reportedly wanting a 1st round pick for Dzingle but got 2 second round picks.

    • Good morning

      @ NYR4LIFE

      How do you feel about the return for Zuccs ???

      @ Pengy

      Tough loss for PITT …they had that game in the bag !
      They really need to look at a rebuild ..I wander if you really have to think about moving out Malkin to do it !
      If possible ???

      @ George

      SENS

      You’ve done well so far …I didn’t think Dzingle would fetch the 1st rounder as discussed yesterday
      . …but this is why I started to try and talk about how important the second round draft picks are going to be yesterday …they will start to be a very significant trade piece and or better players in the future ….players these days are getting way better in the second round and developing better …its just pure percentages these are good draft picks not 2nd fiddle players anymore.

      I really think the Sens need to start to pick up players in trades that are also NHL caliber as opposed to draft picks and B prospects as I said yesterday in my Stone post ..I think if you trade Stone you need NHL players back in that deal ….or you run the risk of doing what the Oilers did and just go through draft pick after draft pick …players with pedigree are key in combining a growth &development period.

      LEAFS

      Its pretty obvious that the Leafs had no business winning last night …they can not keep playing come back kids against teams like the Jackets Bolts or or Bs in the playoffs ..they really need to stat to be dictators of games instead of opportunists or they are going no where …they need a player that sets a TONE BIG TIME!
      Domi embarrassed the Leafs last night !

      Wish list for Leafs at deadline is :
      Bogosian, or Manson
      Dallas Eakins, or Hoffman or B. Lemieux

      Leafs really need a BACKUP Goalie ..too…Elliott maybe?

      Cheers 🙂

      • Hi Kal El

        See my crying rant below re Pens… Sully cost them the game … JJ directly responsible for the loss but was truly exhausted and kept out too long … this is in Sully

        Trading Malkin … that for sure doesn’t happen in year…. extremely slim chance in July …. I think they’ll move Phil in the summer

        You are right re Leafs win …. it was great to see them fight back and not give up but you can’t continue to win on bad calls proving a PP and weird bounces providing a gaping net goal…. Habs deserved the win and should have been 1 point behind Leafs; not 5 (and one point ahead of being out of the playoffs)

        Leafs should not be trading for UFAs unless for depth and costing 5th, 6th or 7th rounders

        Leafs under any changes are still out in 2 rounds …. so ALL IN should not be in their vocabulary right now

        From your list of players with term…. I’d target Manson first ….. they could get him in a deal for WW once the SB is paid in 1/7

        Leafs have a very good shot at a cup sometime between ‘20-‘25 if they can re-sign MM; and move WW and Marleau

        Go Leafs Go

      • @ Pengy

        Totally not suggesting anything in season that drastic for Pens obviously …but in off season they really need to take a look at a long game here ..because the cup boards are very bare …they have Crosby for another 6 years and they need to re invigorate the minor league system along wit the NHL club …. they have to make some really serious decisions about the future of the franchise and its health long term.!

        Bogosian Manson are both right shots ..it just comes down to value and easier obtainability ..and I think Bogosian is lower cost and probably better to be available ..Manson wil command players and draft pick ..Bogosian you may be able to get for draft picks and expiring contract..i.e Gardiner to help with money …maybe ?..Lol..

        Cheers

      • Yeah, there was always a hope that someone would relinquish a 1st for Dzingel, but they have to be happy with what they got for a guy who simply priced himself out of town at $5 mil plus. Be interesting to see if Columbus gives him that or if he can find it anywhere else. One thing for sure, if bot Columbus there won’t be any legitimate top contenders able to fork over that much for a 3rd liner – a GOOD 3rd liner, mind you, but still, on what top contenders could he be able to step into 2nd or 1st line roles? Good luck to him.

      • As a fan, I definitely wanted To see a 1st. But everyone was speculating all along a 2nd and a prospect.

        In a perfect world, I’d love to see Dallas win 2 rounds, (doubtful) and re-sign Zuccarello. I’d imagine re-signing him will depend on how he performs down the stretch/ playoffs.

        I’d be very happy with a 2nd this year, and a 1st next year. If by some miracle Dallas wins 2 rounds and re-signs Zuccarello….. that is probably total overpayment for 2-1st rounders…. and NY overwhelmingly wins that deal…

        Perfect, perfect world… Dallas wins 2 rounds, Re-signs Zuccarello, And Tampa wind the cup this year. I definitely think Hayes lands a 1st plus…

        This would give NY 6-1st round picks in the next 2 years, and 5 from the previous 2 years … plus the other 1st rounders they’ve also picked up along the way. Howden, Strome, Namestnikov etc.

        11-1st rounders over 4 years. If half of them pan out, NY has done a fantastic job with the rebuild!

      • Hi Kal El

        Re:Bogosian/Manson

        Manson is IMO, by far the better Dman; one year younger ; $1M less in Cap and under contract for 2 years more than Bogosian …. so I’d be highly aggressive in going for Manson and he’d be well worth it in any extra requirements from trade

        In July …. After SB paid … WW and Johnsson and Zaitsev

        For Manson , Ritchie , Shore

        It’s tough to give up Johnsson …, but he’ll be looking for a raise and you have to give up something to get An to take Zaitz

        As far as actual Cash is concerned … An should come out better next year as they’d only owe WW $700 K; but they’d have to make another move wrt Cap

        Outside of the Cap situation …. An gains in offence big time at the expense of Zaitz for Manson ; but always deals with an internal cash budget so the cash savings is very good

        Leafs get the coveted RHD and definitely get the winger size and grit AND most importantly …. the trade saves them cap space

        Just a thought

      • Deee

        Thanks for the link. I new there was no comparison McQ to Montour…. but hadn’t seen the deep stats comparison before to back that assumption up. Thanks

        Sully must learn from this mistake…. he can’t be that foolish for that pairing can he.

        Now … using the 1st to get Montour (as he has term and would still be RFA)…. I’m ok with that move…. just please Jim, make it a lottery otected 1st (conditional 1st … ‘19/‘20 at Pens discretion)

        …. it’s also going to cost ZAR and maybe someone off of WBS as well as the first for Montour

        Can Maata , being on LTIR be traded? 1st and Maata for Montour?

        Sad days for Pens

        Fingers tripple crossed that Dumos concussion takes him out only for a couple of games AND that Letang’s UBI is just muscle spasms from twisting when falls awkwardly and his loss is for only a game

        Prow up?

      • So Tor was embarassed and not the team fighting for a wildcard who blew a 3 goal lead by allowing 6 unanswered goals? Tor has to be better but showed a lot of character coming back after that first period and what a way to break a losing streak.

      • What that Leafs-Habs game showed is that, if Price doesn’t steal games for them, and has an ordinary (for him) night, they are no match for the top teams.

      • On what planet did Domi “embarass the Leafs”? The leafs did their talking with their skill, instead of their fists.

      • I love how leaf fans think that was a character win! Lol the leafs got more lucky bounces that game than the bruins have all year! Montreal has outplayed the leafs 3 times this year

      • Oh, didn’t realize when Toronto is just lucky when they win but Boston is pure skill. I bet your dad is stronger than Marner’s dad as well…

      • Lol did you even watch the game? Even the homer leaf media was saying they didn’t deserve that win and that’s something

    • The irony is that if Dallas does well it decreases the chances of them resigning him.

      Anyone else love these conditions? Gives hardcore fans of non playoff teams a team to root for in the playoffs. Good for the game overall

    • Looks like better negotiating or a more desperate team, or both (OTT/CBJ). I could see the goal total affecting Zuc’s tag too but he’s one amazing playmaker so I still would’ve wanted a guaranteed 1st for him. I also think that with OTT getting the 2nds next year and 2021 had a lot to do with 2 2nds being traded.

      I don’t think the Stars get out of the 1st round even if they get in. There’s the Stars, Avs and Wild fighting for the last playoff spot in the West. And I don’t think he resigns. Him signing back with the Rangers as suggested above seem much more likely. So I would be very surprised if the Rangers got a 1st rounder out of this.

  3. Lucic washed up at age 29, now 30 with all those years left.

    • Once good players can sometimes lose twenty pounds, do some Rocky-chase-the-chicken training, go skating with Barb Underhill, and come back as good players. With his physical attributes I’d think the problem is between the ears and the right psycho-coach could revive his career.
      If the Oilers would retain some salary, someone might take a chance.

      • It may seem silly but IF I was Dorion I would call EDM about Lucic. They need to hit the floor and ice a team. I would offer MacArthur’s LTIR along with Gaborik’s LTIR contract. Check to see if EDM ownership wants to pay their salary and OTT takes back Lucic’s.

        EDM would gain a roster spot and cap space.
        Ott gets a roster player that is not injured and a cap hit to keep them above the floor. Plus he a a big body to help with their younger team

        George would that work for your team? I do not see Gaborik or MacArthur ever being healthy enough again to play a full season.

      • Lucic seems to be one of those pro athletes who, after getting relatively big bucks over a long period, all guaranteed, settles into a “I’m-set-for-life” attitude where maximum effort is just a rumour. He’s never cottoned to the fact that, all progress takes place OUTSIDE the comfort zone.

      • As I said the other day, Ihatecrosby, I sincerely doubt Lucic would wave any limited moves if it involved Ottawa. But, you never know, although I think Dorion will find a way to at least ensure the cap floor is reached next season by either the signing of a 2nd-tier UFA or two this summer, or by dealing a couple of those assets along with a roster player/prospect for a more veteran presence from a team that MUST cut some cap costs who would at least show up to play every night.

      • George how would you feel about a Gaborik LTIR contract traded for Seabrook to help lead their young defense. That would guarantee OTT stays above the floor. With his cup winning experience, would you want him on your backend leading your young D?

        perhaps
        to CHI: Ceci & Gaorik’s LTIR
        to OTT: Seabrook & 3rd rd pick

      • Being a mentor is one thing … being an anchor is another. The guy isn’t ancient now at 33 – but the problem is, his contract of $6,875,000 runs to 2023-24 when he’ll be 38 y/o.

        Anyway, even if Dorion thought that could be accommodated, I rather suspect a veteran like Seabrook has a no trade/limited movement clause and I can’t see him agreeing to go to a franchise like Ottawa.

      • The problem with Lucic is lack of speed.

    • Don’t feel bad, we have Okposo on our team

  4. So Edmonton is saying “we will give you 50 bucks but only if you let us shoot you in the leg”. Gee. Let’s think about that.

    Dangerous game of chicken sens are playing. They could push a team to pay their ask or push them to the many other rentals out there and be left standing at the alter alone. It’s gonna be a return similar to dusch. Get a 1st… a couple of decent prospects or a young decent player and a conditional first. Take it and run with it.

    Finally a prediction. Columbus loses all their ufas in the offseason but is first in the metro.

    • CLB have one maybe 2 picks ( if Duchene walks ) in the first 3 rounds over the next 2 years. Jarmo will stocking the team via the UFA route.

    • That’s more or less what I predicted yesterday Chrisms when it comes to Stone, i.e., letting it drag into the 11th hour in the hope that one of those legitimate “top” contenders comes up with what he wants in the fear that their main opposition might get him.

      If it works in his favour, he’s a helluva poker player. If it backfires, however, the howls for his removal will become deafening.

      What’s interesting is that their next opponent here is Calgary, one of the rumored suitors – maybe a deal similar to the Duchene to Columbus trade where he just crosses the hall. We’ll soon see.

      • Doubt it. The Ottawa situation is closer to one painting themselves in a corner that a game of poker. I understand you’re a super fan so I get the high hopes you have. Let’s hope you’re right because the league and fans don’t need another Ballard.

      • Correction. I am NOT now, and never have been, a “super” fan. I follow them more closely simply because they happen to be the home-town team. Would I lose any sleep if they pulled out of Ottawa? Not a wink.

  5. The Pens may just be looking and praying for a luck lottery ball now

    Last night’s loss was tough but to me the loss can be laid entirely at the feet of questionable calls by Sully

    Pens in control 3-1 and get a questionable call against Cullen (earlier in the game I’m ok with the call; stick on stick slash; just above the blade; that late in the game ….no). with about 4 1/2 Mins left.

    Because of previous penalties , it’s a 4 on 3; but goalie pulled making it a 5-3. Already down 2 DMen; all remaining 4 Ds very tired ; he puts out his worst D … JJ

    This goes on with JJ , Rust and ZAR effectively killing 1:05 of the 5 on 3…. mostly thanks to 4 blocked shots by Rust and ZAR. In this 1:05 there were 2 whistles…. JJ could have been switched out.

    Now JJ already tired from playing half the game since the injuries to Letang and Dumo in the first; and a heavy 1:05 of 5 on 3; with a whistle and 3 rested D you would think there would be a wholesale change of the 3…. nope Sully keeps the exhausted JJ ; his worst D; and extremely exhausted ; out there and replaces Rust and ZAR with Ruhweedel (2nd worst D) and Bjugstad (who had showed some defensive problems through out the game).

    The offsetting minors were expiring so it was going to be 6 on 4 …. they just got into the play as the score happened

    The exhausted JJ had turned his back on JVR and he put the goal in..,. To me Sully’s fault for leaving JJ in after a heavy heavy 1:05 and a whistle opportunity

    Now …. with just 30 seconds left; a whistle and opportunity to change his D…. at that point Ruhweedel had already been on for 1:13; JJ for 55 seconds… both already playing heavy heavy minutes all game due to injury; both exhausted; and were killing an EN 6 on 5 ; and remember these are Pens 2 worst DMen; a whistle at 30
    seconds … a no brainer for a change … should change both D and prob at least one of the forwards ….
    Nope …

    Icing … 22 seconds left…. another opportunity to change the D…. nope

    What happens …, JJ not set up right and blocks Murray’s view of the puck… then OT where it can go either way … and did

    So yeah , JJ directly to blame for those 2 goals …. but I have to be fair on this …. Sully should have switched him out ….. even if the rolls were switched and it’s Dumo who has been out killing for 1;05 ; and a whistle …. you change the D…. nope Sully completely deranged with fever from the rain and cold; severely brain farted twice and cost Pens the victory

    The sad thing is that now GMJR ; blind to the coaching decision; will think the loss was all due to the fact that a grit/tough winger knocked out one key D and with the effective scrum; also his best D…. so he’ll think it’s time to waste the 1st now on a big tough 4th liner UFA

    This sucks

    Rant over

    ☹️☹️☹️☹️

    • Pretty good recap Pengy …lol …

      reports last night that Rutherford tried to get Hagelin back before he was shipped to tehCaps… but the trade was nixed due to money retained in that original deal …
      going in circles now 🙁 Yikes

      • Hi Kal El

        Just shows you GMJR didn’t have his head screwed on … he has to know the rules …. trade with retention ; you can’t get same player back in same year … Oh Jim ur losin’ it

    • Nice recap and fairly accurate. You did fail however to mention that Murray let in 2 very stoppable pucks so part of the loss is on him.

      Im no Penguins fan but I do hope Letangs injury isnt too serious. He needs to stay out of the scrums and post whistle nonsense to avoid needless injury.

      • Hi Ron

        Absolutely bang in red the first and OT goals

        He should have easily had those

        Game should have been 3-1 ; Pens in 1st WC spot; and people might have had a comment or 2 re Murray’s one softie but mostly would have talked about the Simmonds hit; injuries to Dumo/Letang; weather; Sids 2 points

        Instead … Sully’s mistakes …. caused the game to get to OT; and sitting outside of playoffs

        Murray’s OT softie … and it was…. should never have existed because they should have been in hot showers and celebrating by that time

    • Murray has to stop the puck , laid 2 eggs late in the game , tying goal and OT winner , those are routine stops ….Pens looked tired , this may be their last hurrah before JR decides to retool ….JMO

      • Hi Krw

        With you on two eggs …. but they are 1st and OT goals

        See my response above to Ron…. this loss is all on Sully

        Pens should have won 3-1

        3rd /tying goal…. completely screened by out of place JJ ….. who was well past tired and should have been swapped out …. wayyyyy too long of shifts late in game when playing short handed

        I dump too much and too often on JJ …. yes directly and individually the cause of the loss….

        but he was exhausted and no player (even in the first 5 minutes of the game!!!!) should be kept on that long for a 5 on 3 when there were 2 separate whistles to switch him out ; let alone very late in the game when he’s already played 28 minutes and you have your best remaining D on the bench fully rested

        This was unconscionable by Sully

    • If Pittsburgh were to miss the playoffs, and somehow win the draft lottery, I think I’d 🤮!

      Sorry, that would be totally disgusting. And I’d find that the system is even more broken than I previously believed.

      • It would show that even in this day in age that justice is still possible!

      • The only thing that would surpass that revolting thought is if Edmonton won the lottery!

    • Isn’t that how they got Sid The Kid? A luck lottery draw following the lost season?

      • Yes. NYRs, Pittsburgh, And I think Columbus and 1 other team all had the same odds at Crosby.

    • Hey Pengy!
      I understand your frustration with Johnson, but in my humble opinion, he’s not to blame for the Penguins woes.
      He’s an above average 3rd pairing defenseman with offensive tendencies.
      He plays a hard game and is very often miscast by his coach because of lack of options on the back end.
      He generally plays a quiet game if he’s left alone.
      The problem arises when the coach sends him over the boards to kill penalties or shut down the superstars on the other team.
      That’s hard minutes for a guy to play, (when miscast) I don’t care who they are.
      For me the problem is with defensive depth in the system, not individual players on the team.
      It’s not JJ’s fault he’s killing penalties or facing Stamkos, Ovie or Giroux every other night.
      Food for thought: GMJR is a solid man in my books.
      JJ was in a bad spot financially and wouldn’t have signed anywhere else for near the money Pittsburgh offered.
      That’s one guy doing another guy a solid act of kindness.
      Rip him if you want, but he’s not the one putting himself in awkward situations.
      He’s doing the best he can for the team every shift.
      Blame Cullen or any of the others for taking stupid penalties at the worst possible time.
      Full disclosure: I don’t even like Jack Johnson.

      • Hi ShoreOrrPark

        I agree this was a friend helping out a friend deal

        I agree that he is put in situations beyond his capabilities

        However ; I’m sorry, but I have to disagree with your contention that he is an above average 3rd pairing DMan

        Save for two games; Ive seen every Pens game this year in it’s entirety….JJ in no way is an above average bottom pairing DMan . He,s not even an average 3rd pairing DMan

        He’s got size , can hit, and can block shots. His faults are almost all due to mental mistakes…. he is consistently out of position and severely costly on 5 on 5; and is poor at clearing the zone and breakouts. He also has difficulty hitting the net when he takes a shot

        For theses reasons ; I’m sorry, but I must disagree with your assessment.

        I truly believe that there is not a single DMan , not a single one, in the entire NHL , that has played more than 45 games AND is worse than JJ…. Not a single one

        That said …. I reiterate … last night’s loss is Sully’s fault. Not JJ’s. Not Murray’s. Not the weather. Not Simmonds . Not the loss of their top D. All on Sully

    • Can’t change the D or anyone for that matter On an icing ….

      • Hi Scotty

        It wasn’t an icing play at all on the 2nd goal; and the icing with 22 seconds left …. they had a whistle 8 seconds B4 that…. JJ should have been changed then…. at 30 seconds left in the 3rd…. Shultz and Petterson were rested

    • Pe ngy…codi ceci to Pittsburgh gaining momentum…ceci schultz johson petterson rikola rudwhedel call up ahl all star d nathan prow…hope dumolin letang out short term… then I would move kessel in a blockbuster kessel spurgeon to Pittsburgh phil kessel tanner Pearson tristan jarry and our number one pick.to Minnesota…we get younger faster better. Say we do get ceci.
      .
      This trade you have letang dumolin schultz spurgeon ceci pettersson top 6… rikola rudwhedel johnson watching.

      • Imeant jason zucker and jared spurgeon to Pittsburgh..phil kessel tanner Pearson tristan jarry and our number one pick to Minnesota..

  6. I maintain my stance of hoping the Sens either sign Stone or manage to lure a 1st, Stanley, and Rostilov out of Winnipeg.

    But really, if you are not getting a knock out return, better than Duchene, you go all out to keep him. 26 and captain material, a good mentor for Duclair as well, to try and help get him back on track.

    • @ JJB

      If Iam Stone …you have to test the market at this age …he can literally choose his own destiny for the next 7 years + and really give himself an opportunity to win a cup ..thats not going to happen in OTT …sure can he be traded in 4 years if he wants out …sure …but why go through that when you can settle in with a team and know you will be perennial contenders for the next 5 years or so and still make the dough …I think thats where I would lean if I was the player ! …NO ???

      • BUT, what current team that is regarded as a legitimate cup contender for the next 5 years can afford to take on a $10 mil plus cap hit? There aren’t many?

      • @ George O

        You should ask Tavares that question?

        He has the list of teams that were lined up to pay him more than the Leafs did …Stone should start there !

        I

    • JJB

      with you

      Hoping Stone stays

  7. perhaps part of the Senators master plan is sell off talent today , stock up on picks , and aim for Alexis Lafreniere @ first overall in 2020?

    as of today they have 11 guaranteed picks in 2020 + 1 if Duchene resigns.

  8. Stone is unrestricted he can go anywhere if not signed they have to get something back. Teams won’t give the farm unless they believe they can and do sign him. If I were Boston I would make an offer and see where it goes.

    • That is the normal attitude for sure – except, since every team’s ultimate goal is to win the cup, and since chances at that are few and far between for the majority of teams (when was the last “dynasty”?), don’t the ones who have a legitimate chance this year owe it to their fan base to do everything they can to give the team that chance? Even if it means taking on a rental for the push? To the bold go the rewards.

      • George O, you are absolutely correct. Your best chance to win the Cup might be this year. The risk is going all in and not winning and putting future hardship on your team. Losing the asset for nothing and the team going backwards and losing fans at the gate because of team performance on the ice.
        Team seem to rebuild on the fly and it doesn’t take long to rebuild. Ottawa could be very competitive only a couple of years down the road. Lots of young bright talent on the team. Even a bright prospect who Dad is from my home town and all Capers cheer for Cape Bretoners.

  9. Stone is a “Hockey Player”. Any team that has him is fortunate. The funny thing is he doesn’t think so which adds to his attributes as a leader. Deep playoff experience and western kid. Worth taking a chance for on a number of these teams.

    A second, a First, and a prime young prospect plus a B grade prospect. Not suggesting but as example with Calgary – Dube, and 2020 #1 & #2 and Mangiapane
    Its a lot…

    My targets would be (in order) Nyquist, Brassard, and Johansson.

    • As odd as it teams, if I were Dorian, I would try to trade of Ceci as well and Smith if possible. Then in the offseason maybe swap a Gaborik LTIR contract out for a player who can suit up. Then I would call CHI about Seabrook and work a deal there. OTT Defense will need a solid mentor that knows how to win. It will also keep them above the floor.

      For CHI , the can take back a LTIR contract since they have the cash. It would alleviate their cap troubles too.

      For OTT it helps the foundation of the defense with all the young kids they have on the backend. They need someone that knows that they are doing to mentor them.

      But only if the LTIR contracts can be traded for a Seabrook,

  10. ihatecrosby

    I dont think Seabrook would waive NMC to go to OTT ?

    I did like your idea however on trading Lucic for the LTIR contracts ..saves OTT out of pocket money but I doubt that Lucic contract gets moved …but if Clarkson and Bolland money can get moved anything is possible !

    Cheers

    • Is it true Carolina is still looking for a center AND a goalie?

      would this work

      to CAR: Anderson, JGP & Ceci

      to OTT: Pesce & 1st 2019, 3rd in 2020

      • Carolina has one of the better goalie tandems in the league but they will both be UFA’s after this season. Staal is back so they don’t need a center. Carolina does not need to make a deadline move.

    • Kal El

      My thought process is bc Melnyk rather the cap hit than the cash spent so it would behoove them to leverage their cap in that manner for the immediate future.

      “Cap strapped” teams like CHI may be willing to eat the LTIR contracts to free roster spots and cap space.

      I do hope that is what Dorion does to free up roster spots and bring in proven players to mentor Ottawa’s young blossoming players. Especially on the backend.

      A player like Seabrook on the backend would assist tremendously with reaching the cap floor and keeping more playing time accessible for their young D.

  11. As a Leafs fan, and I am being very pragmatic here, I hope we don’t do anything. Many, myself included, have added lofty expectations onto this team upon acquiring Tavares. This team is fun to watch, and infuriating at the same time, but they are young including Tavares and this is not their year. Nobody is beating Tampa, unfortunately. Toronto could of course make if all the way as top teams have been beaten before but they are better to wait for the off season to address their glaring need; defence. Hainsey, Zaitsev, Gardiner, and Ozhiganov will hopefully all be gone next year!

    I read an interesting article recently suggesting Ottawa should take on contracts like Lucic while waiting for young players to develop. They may need to in order to get to the cap. With Duchene and Dzingel gone and possibly Stone if I were Edmonton I’d be looking to unload him there somehow. Ottawa basically stated they are hoping to be competitive again by 2021 or thereabouts. Go after someone like Ceci and Pageau for Lucic, Puljujarvi and picks.

    • See my response to that Lucic suggestion above.

    • Who’s played better recently MM or WN?

      • Theyre Maple Leafs so clearly they are the two best players in the known universe.

        Id take Marner any day of the week over supersoft nocheck Nylander.

        Like father like son. Soft.

  12. Stone would look great in Calgary but there is no way I would be giving up some of the young players that people have been talking about. I heard Button on TSN say the ask would be a 1st, Kylington, Dube, and Mangipane. This is pure fantasy.
    I have mentioned earlier I would give Ottawa our 1st in 2019, Dube, and Frolik with the idea I could talk to Stone and see if his contract demands were affordable. If not, just move on.
    The Flames have a very good team with some tremendous young defensemen that will be top 4 de-men for a long time. I don’t think they would like to give any of those guys away, especially since we have traded away a lot of draft picks in the last few years.
    Thank goodness we have been able to draft really well.

    • How many chances do you think the Flames will have to be regarded as one of the top contenders to have a legitimate shot at the cup? Yeah, MAYBE all those untouchables you think trading is pure fantasy will turn out to be stars of the same lk as Stone – but right now you don’t KNOW that for certain. What IS known is that Stone is an established star player of the type who can beat you several ways, scoring, defensively, puck-stealing (at which he is arguably the best in the league and which often turn into goals, if not by him then by a teammate.

      GMs who run their franchises with one thumb up their ass and hanging onto maybe’s while passing up a chance at a player who could be the difference in a show-down with a TB, will always be on the outside looking in.

      • George O
        I do not dispute the skill and compete level of Stone, I have been a booster of trading for Stone as I think he is the one player that could actually put The Flames over the top, but there is no guarantee.

        So if the flames give up a Kings ransom for him and they don’t win this year and he does not sign with the Flames next year we have just set our program back a few years and possibly even closing the window.
        It is a tricky balance between making your team stronger for the present and future.

      • George O

        Another reason why I think it is an overpay.
        You only got a 1 st round pick and a couple of “B” prospects for Duchene plus if he signs another 1st rounder.

        The players that Button talks about are 2 rookies playing on the roster of a 1 st place team along with a top prospect and a 1st.
        In My mind that would be a great return for Ottawa, not so much for Calgary

        If The Flames we’re unable to sign Stone and gave up 2 sure fire players plus a top prospect and a 1st would seriously effect our team in a negative way for years.

      • But at what point do you have a BETTER chance at winning than right now, with all those unknown factors for future years? Yeah, matching one option against the other you’d hate to think acquiring a Stone somehow does not pan out – but the other option seems to be to hang onto ALL those top prospects in the hope that they ALL turn out to be super-stars and that you form a team that becomes unbeatable. That’s almost within the realm of wishful thinking. And since we’re dealing in “ifs” – what if the team you have in future years is somewhat similar to the good one you have now in terms of success – but NOT as good as some other opponent (such as TB now), and here you are again heading into the playoffs maybe just one top-notch F short of increasing your chances of going all the way.

        What I’m trying to say is, while Duchene is a good C, he is largely one-dimensional and so what they got from Columbus is about what one could reasonably expect. Stone is an entirely different story. Wherever he goes he’s going to be a MAJOR addition to that team because of his attitude and dedicated approach to the game. If it’s a top contender like Boston or, God forbid, TB, just mail them the cup.

    • FlameFan maybe Treleving should call the Kings on Quick and Toffoli ? they have term so not rentals. Parsons , Dube + a couple of roster players to balance cap hit ala Frolik and Smith(Ufa) next year….may need to add a pick as well but not a 1st.

      • Fergy22
        I would like to see Quick in Calgary.
        I don’t think I would want Toffoli.

        Maybe a deal like Quick for Parsons, a second in 2020. (Flames don’t have a 2nd this year)
        The unfortunate reality is Goalies just don’t command a big return

  13. Question for the people that see the Rangers on a regular basis.
    What would be a good return for Hayes?
    Why do the Rangers want to trade a 26 year old center/winger?
    From my limited viewings he seems like an excellent player, are his contract demands next year out of line?

    • Very solid player, but only recently. He grew into his role when given the chance to play more offensively rather than as a shutdown center. On this team he is definitely a #2 center, but with the Rangers rebuild, perhaps his salary demands along with term may be too much for NYR management. It may conflict with their vision of growing Howden, Anderson and Chytl into the centers of the future.

      Hayes will not, I assume, sign a 3 year deal. He will see 6 or 7. He will command $6 M plus on the open market and that will be too rich for Ranger blood.

      Irony is NYR may go after Panarin for even more, but that’s NY for ya lol

      As a Ranger fan of over 30 years, I would take Hayes back but not at over 6.5 and over 3 years. 5.5 for 4 is were I think it should be BUT he is worth way more than that on the open market.

      He should garner at least a 1st rd pick and a prospect, but seeingg what Zucc got, I assume it will be a conditional 1st lol.

      • Thanks ihatecrosby,
        I have seen rumours about the flames possible interest in him, but I couldn’t see the fit, plus I wasn’t sure what the Rangers would want in return or if the Flames could sign him longer term.
        I am not a big fan of rentals as the odds of winning the Cup by adding one player is between slim and none

      • Apologies FlamesFan, but I do not get a chance to watch CGY unless they are playing in the Metro. From the looks of their roster I do not see a need for a center in CGY. IF they did it may be more a 3rd line role, which Hayes will not be keen to, and has excelled past.

        Not sure what center prospects along with a 1st CGY may want to give up. That is the type of package I assume it would take. I am thinking the NYR management would want a 18-20 yr old top prospect and that 1st.

        Add to the fact CGY has no cap space to resign him, so not seeing a fit there.

        What I do think they need, from my limited knowledge of them, is bottom 6 scoring depth. Simmonds comes to mind. he is built for the playoffs and can play in the op 9 on either wing. Gives them tons of options. Simmonds is the guy i think fits best, unless you guys nab a top 5 goalie lol.

      • When I popped back in a few moments ago and saw that there were 99 posts I just had to add one more to make it an even 100. And to do that I refer to the comment made by FlamesFan that “I am not a big fan of rentals as the odds of winning the Cup by adding one player is between slim and none.”

        If, by adding a Stone, you rate your chances as between slim and none, how do you rate them without the addition of a complete player like Stone?

      • George O

        With the year and team Tampa has I would rate us winning the cup slim to none, with the addition of Stone our chances improve, but if we can sign him
        Our chances go even higher the following year as Tampa will not be able to keep all their players due to the cap.

        Maybe I should clarify what I think is a fair deal, see if you agree.
        To Ottawa
        1st
        Dube
        Frolik
        Ottawa gets the pick and a top prospect plus a player that is playing on the second line.

    • @ Flames fan

      You should refer to…. NYR4LIFE

      I concur with your question….a top 2 Center in the league is EXTREMELY hard to find draft and collect in any which way shape or form….not sure who they would replace him with and why they feel the need to move him out instead of paying him a top 6 money !

      looking at the active roster ..the Rangers have a few center men in the system and behind Hayes in the line up where they feel that they dont want to pay him as #1 center …they also have Zibanejad who is there top center as of today but tomorrow Iam not so sure …

      Hayes def brings more to the table with size and possesion but not sure if they want a $6 -8 million plus 2nd and OR 3rd line center …take my take …but Iam sureNR4life will have a better answer…

  14. I don’t see how stone creates interference with Hayes being traded.
    “ We need a center , so let’s trade for a rw ?”

    With Duchene off the market, it’s sets up nicely for Hayes and NY. He’ll be in a Winnipeg, Nashville, Boston , Colorado jersey in the next 27 hours.

  15. I think we are all on the same page, Hayes would not be a fit in Calgary, positionally or financially.
    Thanks Gents

  16. Who i think does NEED Hayes the most is WSH. To compete with TB and their depth. Hayes can kill penalties too. They an send Burakovsky and a 2020 pick for him.

  17. WHOA!!! Boston winning the CUP! They sign Lee Stempniak for 1yr!

    • Think it may be an indication another roster player is on the move?

  18. Stempniak move probably means the Bruins are done trading … Depth move

    • That’s a purely depth, 13th F move.

      • First he had to clear waivers before they could re-sign him to a 1-year deal.

      • George they sign him and now he has to clear waivers to be sent down. Yes this is clearly a depth move. Not hurting anything.
        Has nothing to do with anything else they may do. I think.

  19. Pengy…awful loss had that game Murray gi es up a sive goal…two last night one last game vs new jersey.. plus ur boy jack Johnson screening a bit as usual.. put matta on lo g term it we cant wait clear that salary.lodong dumo and tanger out hopefully only short term……. Minnesota is heavily shopping jason zucker talented fast talented..blockbuster jason zucker& jared spurgeon to Pittsburgh phil kessel tanner pearson tristan jarry plua a future second pick to .
    minnesota Minnesota gets a sniper a goalie to back up dubnyk a future pick and youn g bottom 6 forward

    • Hi BlackNGold

      Re Murray last night…. 1st and OT goals …. yep….. but that loss is ALL on Sully …. All…. I posted a lengthy explanation earlier in the day above …. game should have ended 3-1 …. no OT

      Pens are in serious crap now

      🤞that Letang/Dumo out very very short timeframe

      I guess they call up Prow

      Any trade must be for D…. unless they call up Bieksa … even at his age ; it just might be worth it

      Re your trade proposal: I think Pens just might look to trade Kessel in the summer… a trade like that wouldn’t happen now

      The trade proposal IMO is heavily lopsided in Minn’s favour

      If it was the Zucker of last year then things would be closer…., he is way under last year’s pace

      Sturgeon the big catch in the deal but I don’t see Minn moving on him

      I see Kessel on the decline (and have for a while and posted about it many many times)…. but reading media reports they still talk extremely highly of him; see him as 2 time SC champ; a PP specialist and a PPG+ guy; still on pace for 83 points and prob 30 Gs

      Neither team ; setting all logistics aside; can negotiate and make a deal like that right now… both Bubble teams

      Had Pens won last night and the injuries didn’t happen…. staying the course would likely have snuck them into 7th by playoffs time; and Maata would be back

      As at now both JJ and Ruhweedel HAVE to play… that Oleksiak move is killing Pens now!!!!

      If there is a miracle trade to get Montour… obviously the 1st has to go…. then maybe

      Other than that

      (1) McQ for pick … 3rd they are saying (which we don’t have this year… so 3rd in ‘20 plus prob 5th in ‘20)…. and as D pointed out above … McQ’s numbers are not good

      (2) Bieksa …., I think worth a gamble for no assets and just $’s…. but (a) he’s not played an NHL game in 10 months and (b) he’s public stated his desire to stay in Cal … so maybe a SJ depth pick up

      (3)???? Who else is out there?

      🤞🙏🤞🙏🤞🙏

      • Bieska is old and out of shape and wont come east..bummer Withnot sure why Minnesota is shopping him.. kessel nows the time to get what we need..he helped us get two cups.. jason Zucker better all around player younger smarter faster..Minnesota needs a sniper…

  20. Congrats!!! 1st 100 post day, post Striker.

    • Lyle

      I second Caper’s congrats

      Great site 👍

    • Ha. True. But also.

      Poser!

  21. Pengy…reporting out there indicates GMJR is making a move for Ceci….. think Ruhwedal and what goes? Jarry?

    • I hate crosby…Not sure maybe rudwhedel and pearson.. then move kessel our numder 1 pick jarry and rikola or simon for jason zucker and jared spurgeon of Minnesota..

      • @BlacknGold

        I appreciate the optimism, however, there is no way Minny can take on Kessel while still having Parise & Suter.

        Besides, I heard Malkin has a thing for keeping Kessel around.

        Perhaps Jarry, your #1 , prospect Addison might get you Spurgeon.

        Does that work for you?

  22. Montour to the Sabres

  23. OMG poor Dallas losing Mats Zuccarello 2 periods sound like might broken arm. Gone for at least 4 weeks. Wow that sucks.

  24. Rangers officially win the Zuc trade as he’s injured and out for at least 4 weeks. Conditional 2nd and 3rd for 1 period of play.

    Can’t see the Stars winning a round let alone 2 if they even make the playoffs. Be interesting to see if they give up a first to resign him.

    • I think they will resign him. They will have Spezza of the books and their bottom 6 scoring is weak. This will aide in icing a respectable top 9 balanced scoring.

      to be honest… they should’ve tried to grab Hayes and Zucc together and send back Spezza and guaranteed 1sts . Hayes and Zucc have tremendous chemistry and would have really solidified their top 9.