NHL Rumor Mill – July 17, 2019

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Five players who could be traded this summer and a brief note on Mitch Marner in today’s NHL rumor mill. 

THE SCORE: Buffalo Sabres defenseman Rasmus Ristolainen and Nashville Predators center Kyle Turris are among Josh Wegman’s list of five NHL players who could still be traded this summer. New York Rangers winger Chris Kreider, Minnesota Wild winger Jason Zucker, and Vegas Golden Knights forward Nikita Gusev round out the list.

Buffalo Sabres defenseman Rasmus Ristolainen remains a hot topic in the NHL’s summer rumor mill (Photo via NHL Images).

The Sabres’ acquisitions of right-side blueliners Brandon Montour, Colin Miller, and Henri Jokiharju is stoking the Ristolainen trade speculation. Wegman suggests the Toronto Maple Leafs, Tampa Bay Lightning, Dallas Stars, Winnipeg Jets, and Edmonton Oilers as possible trade destinations. 

SPECTOR’S NOTE: The Leafs and Lightning cannot afford Ristolainen’s $5.4-million cap hit. The Leafs must re-sign Mitch Marner while the Bolts need to re-up Brayden Point. Cap Friendly indicates the Stars are bumping against the $81.5 million cap and recently added right-side rearguard Andrej Sekera.

The Jets could use Ristolainen to replace the departed Jacob Trouba but they’ve also got to re-sign Patrik Laine, Kyle Connor and Andrew Copp, among others. They’d have to move a significant salary (Nikolaj Ehlers?) to make it work. Some observers suggest the Oilers offer up Ryan Nugent-Hopkins for Ristolainen but that move would deplete their secondary scoring. 

The Predators addition of Matt Duchene makes Turris, who’s earning an annual average value of $6 million, an expensive third-line center. His contract could prove difficult to move. Possible fits are the Buffalo Sabres and Columbus Blue Jackets.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: The Sabres and Jackets have the cap space to take on Turris’ contract. Whether they want to is another matter. Turris could have a bounce-back performance but there might not be anyone in the trade market willing to take that risk right now. 

The Rangers need to free up cap space to re-sign Jacob Trouba (among others). Kreider is slated to become an unrestricted free agent next summer. The Colorado Avalanche, Boston Bruins, and St. Louis Blues could be destinations.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: If the Rangers decide to part ways with Kreider they could prefer doing so this summer. Otherwise, the uncertainty over his status will be an unnecessary distraction throughout the season. The Avs can afford him but I think general manager Joe Sakic is done making additions and is now focused on re-signing his remaining RFAs, including Mikko Rantanen.

The Bruins are trying to re-sign defenseman Charlie McAvoy and Brandon Carlo. With around $8 million in cap room, they can’t afford Kreider unless they shed a salaried player. If they can find a taker for David Backes, perhaps this could work. The Blues, meanwhile, seem focused on trying to keep their championship roster intact. 

Wegman notes Wild GM Paul Fenton made failed attempts to trade Zucker to the Calgary Flames and Pittsburgh Penguins. It’s unclear what direction Fenton is taking with the Wild and what he wants in return for Zucker. Wegman suggests the Avalanche, New Jersey Devils, and San Jose Sharks as possible trade partners.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: The Flames were reportedly going to ship winger Michael Frolik and a draft pick to the Wild while Phil Kessel was supposed to be going to Minnesota from the Penguins. Fenton seems to be shaking up the younger players who were considered part of the Wild’s core. Last season, he shipped out Nino Niederreiter, Charlie Coyle, and Mikael Granlund. It appears the Wild GM intends to retain Zucker for now but I think he remains open to offers.

The Avs and Devils can afford Zucker’s $5.5-million AAV but I believe they’ve already made their moves to boost their forward lines. The Sharks have over $4.6 million remaining in cap space and are expected to bring back Joe Thornton and perhaps Patrick Marleau for a last hurrah. That leaves no room for Zucker unless it’s a dollar-for-dollar swap.

The cap-strapped Golden Knights can’t afford Gusev’s demand for a two-year, $4-million per season contract. The Sabres, Devils, and Blues are possible fits. 

SPECTOR’S NOTE: Gusev is a KHL star but he’s never played in the NHL. His contract asking price could explain why the Golden Knights haven’t moved him yet. They’re reportedly seeking a second-round pick and another pick or a prospect in return. 

 







102 Comments

  1. Following a clutch of RFA signings and trades tyhe past few days, here is an updated list showing number needed to reach the maximum allowable major league roster of 23, available cap space and RFAs still to be signed including those (marked *) regarded as part of each team’s minor league rosters. Keep in mind, when looking at available cap space, that, for just about every team, CapFriendly shows players with minimal ELC cap hits on the major league roster who will likely be sent to the minors before the season begins (some may require waivers).

    Vegas 2 $0 Gusev, *Schuldt;
    Arizona 2 $178,099 *Emil Pettersson; *Hill
    Pittsburgh 1 $842,500 Aston-Reese, Marcus Pettersson;
    Dallas 1 $970,001 Honka, *Hansson;
    Chicago 3 $3,336,539 Perlini, *Ejdsell;
    Edmonton 0 $2,933,001 Puljujarvi;
    Toronto 0 $3,765,301 Marner;
    Washington 2 $935,706 Djoos, Stephenson;
    Carolina 1 $4,595,209 McGinn, *Maenalanen, *Carrick, *McKeown, *Forsberg;
    San Jose 2 $4,682,583 *Letunov, *Wood, *DeSimone
    Florida 5 $4,705,456 McCoshen, Weeger, Malgin. *Hunt, *Mamin, *Schemitsch;
    Montreal 0 $4,844,524 Hudon, *McCarron;
    Vancouver 0 $5,058,462 Goldobin, Boeser;
    Buffalo 2 $5,115,476 Ullmark, McCabe, Rodrigues, *Elie;
    Nashville 1 $5,191,667 Grimaldi, Sissons;
    Detroit 2 $5,284,623 *Turgeon; *Hicketts, *Rybar;
    Tampa Bay 2 $5,576,669 Point, Erne, *Masin;
    NYR 2 $7,093,534 DeAngelo, Trouba, Lemieux, Buchnevich, *Lettieri;
    St Louis 1 $7,120,406 Edmundson, Sundqvist, Barbashev, *Husso;
    Boston 1 $8,103,334 Carlo, McAvoy, *Forsbacka-Karlsson;
    Anaheim 0 $8,500,242 – none;
    NYI 1 $8,653,334 DalColle, Beauvillier, *Ho-Sang;
    L.A.1 $8,740,606 Kempe;
    Calgary 2 $9,473,292 Rittich, Bennett, Tkachuk, Mangiapane;
    Minnesota 5 $11,346,411 Eriksson Ek, Fiala, *Warner, *Belpedio;
    Philadelphia 3 $13,417,421 Provorov, Konecny;
    Columbus 2 $15,765,918 Werenski, Sedlak, *Scott;
    New Jersey 5 $18,345,000 Butcher, Mueller, Zacha;
    Colorado 2 $19,965,239 Rantanen, Compher, Kamenev, *Greer, *Dries, *Lindholm;
    Ottawa 3 $20,640,000 White;
    Winnipeg 8 $22,872,503 Comrie, Pionk, Connor, Copp, Laine;

    • George O a side note to this is Edmonton now has 49 contracts out of an allowable 50 and one rfa to sign in Jesse Puljujarvi. After that need trade a contract or more to bring anyone else in.
      Side note trade JP to Boston, we’ll take the gamble.

      • Good point Caper. I keep overlooking that 50 number which, in several instances, not just Edmonton, will be a factor in the need to make moves.

  2. good list George …..a couple of teams are in a tight spot . Vegas, Boston , Pit , NYR are likely going to have to move players to create cap space. Interested in seeing what happens in Vancouver with Boeser. Wpg has space right now but Laine and Connor are going to eat up a huge chunk of that. I won’t comment on Toronto.

    • That trade yesterday between Ottawa and Chicago is a small indication of what I was saying the other day – that the teams with lots of cap space are playing chicken with those who MUST clear cap space in order to sign key RFAs. In other words, why pull a Jim Benning and give up a 1st when you can wait and make those must-trade teams sweat blood and, eventually, deal a serviceable player for lesser returns.

      That Ottawa-Chicago deal wasn’t a huge move, but Ottawa did get a big C who scored 15 goals last season for Chicago and has had 4 seasons of 20+ goals, and all it cost them was an expensive 4th liner with virtually no offensive capabilities and who they actually put on waivers just before the start of last season.

      Look for more deals like that involving teams like NJ, Columbus, L.A., Anaheim, NYI, Minnesota and perhaps Detroit. I wouldn’t say Ottawa is finished making moves either, with someone like Pageau on the move out.

      • George O this deal was a head scratcher for me. I don’t understand Ottawa take on this trade. They decreased their cap space for two years for a 31yr old Anisimov who yes is a better player then they gave up but has no value to them long term and he isn’t putting Ottawa into the playoffs.
        The only thing that makes sense is come trade deadline he his flipped for assets that will be part of the team present and/or future; otherwise the only thing accomplished with this deal was giving Chicago more cap space.

      • First off, Caper, he is better value this season and next, than Smith will ever be. Secondly, as I intimate elsewhere, I don’t think Ottawa is done. They have tons of cap space and next year, when they have to deal with RFAs Chabot, Jaros, Tierney, Brown, Duclair and Veronneau, they have another $17,750,000 with the expirations of the contracts of Boedker, Pageau, Hainsey, Condon and Anderson. None of whom I expect to see re-signed.

        If they want to retain UFAs like Borowiecki (now #1,200,000), Ennis (now $800,000) and DeMelo (now $900,000 – and he, I’m sure, will be re-signed), they have plenty of cap space.

      • Only Benning is sucker enough to come out on the short end of a deal with a cap crunched team.
        Benning is the first GM Id call if I was forced to make a trade.

      • Caper, no head scratcher at all. Ottawa’s goal is to reach the cap minimum as cheaply as possible. Anisimov has a $1.3 million higher cap hit ($4.55 m vs $3.25 m) and his actual salary is $3 million less over the two seasons. Senators’ GM Dorion just saved Melnyk a nice chunk of US cash.

      • Anismov’s contract is certainly part of the draw. He was just paid a $2M signing bonus so his actual salary is only $2M this year and $3M next with a cap hit of $4.55M. That’s a bargain in actual salary for a team barely at the cap floor.

        https://www.capfriendly.com/players/artem-anisimov

      • George / Rattus there no doubt who the better player is but Anisimov isn’t putting Ottawa in the playoffs.
        Ottawa benefits if they flip but the big savings is the actual $$ Ottawa saves is $2.5m over two seasons.

      • In Anisimov, the Sens get a centre who will benefit some of the young wingers in their development process. I think it was a good deal for them.

      • LOL. Laurie, for some, Dorion is just not capable of making a good deal so, when he does, there absolutely either must be a flaw some place, or it was done to make sure Eugene has a bit more pocket money. Even before the trade they were poised to go past the cap floor with whatever contract Colin White gets as their last RFA (who, by the way, did not file for arbitration, so a deal is close.

        Whether Anisimov does, or does not, propel thjem to the playoffs is immaterial. They get a 6′ 4″ C whose majority of goals are scored from in close around the net and who, as I say, has 4 20+ goal seasons under his belt. In Ottawa he’ll get to play a lot more minutes than he did in Chicago. But even a repeat of his 15 goals last season is a major jump from anything they’d get from Smith so, why not make the move? His addition makes absolutely no adverse impact on their cap. A bit of a win-win for both teams as Chicago gets a bit more cap space to re-sign Perlini who probably could have been fitted in easily with what cap they had left, but now it also gives them a bit more wiggle room.

    • Fergy, don’t forget Calgary, In fact, they’re in a tighter spot than NYR since, with just $9,473,292 in cap space left they have to sign Tkachuk , who will take up the bulk of that, along with Rittich, Bennett and Mangiapane, and without a Horton contract hiding in the woods.

      They have a few shown as part of their 23-man roster who will likely be sent to the AHL, but even with their cap hits added it doesn’t give them enough – and then, like some others in the same position, they’d be smack up against the limit with a reduced roster to start the season.

      Is dealing Brodie the answer?

  3. Why would the Jackets want Turris? They already have an underperforming #2C, Wennberg, and Turris’ salary would make him one of, if not the, most expensive player on the team. You’d think that, with Jarmo having been GM for so long, these writers would have figured out that Columbus is no longer a place to dump underperforming players with big contracts.

    • @Caper
      Anisimov Cap hit next two years is $9,100,000.

      Anisimov salary next two years is $7,000,000.

      So:
      $ outlay
      Cap floor
      Better player
      Able to be flipped

      It does make sense in some ways.

    • Would Colombus trade for either Namestikov or Strome from Rangers? Both are in last year of contracts and would cost less than Turris. Namestikov with 1M retained or Strome for Milano

      • Strome is a bust & not even a decent plug.

  4. We might have to wait until arbitration period is over for any RFA movement

  5. Salary cap constraints, GMs being less willing to hand out term to aging UFAs, the natural teconfiguration of salary payouts generally by line projections ( eg ist liners make more than 2nd, third liners fitting within certain ranges etc.), and the new wave of RFAs making huge jumps in pay after their ELCs….all part of the new restructuring of NHL.

    Nothing to fear, the NHL won’t collapse but it’s not conducive to GMs being able or willing to make offer sheets to RFAs. For example, what Marner is probably seeking (short term, massive annual salary and positioning himself for early UFA status like Matthews did) will be less appealing when another club has to pay out four first rounders, blow up his roster to accommodate, and set themselves up for their upcoming RFAs to use that deal against them later will make Marners camp eventually come back to reality and negotiate.

    Time will tell but I see Marner taking term and between 10-11 because he won’t get tan offer sheet for more than that to leverage.

    I could be wrong, but that’s how I see it.

    One thing I’d for sure, a lot of RFAs still unsigned with each waiting to see how the bar will be set, probably by Marner.

    • When you say you “see Marner taking term and between 10-11 because he won’t get an offer sheet …”, looking at their roster I’m curious as to who you see being moved to clear the necessary cap space.

      Right now they have $3,765,301 available. Even demoting guys like Gauthier, Agostino, Shore, Petan & Holl only provides another $3,515,000 and the total of $7,340,000 isn’t enough. Yes, they could use whatever portion of Horton’s $5,300,000 is needed to reach that $10-11 mil or, alternatively, use it all combined with whatever cap hits of the others just mentioned to reach that total.

      But that leaves them 0 cap wiggle room and, since those players mentioned are all currently showing as being part of the 23-man upper limit, it would mean entering the season with a depleted line-up with no ability to bring in replacements in the event of short-term injuries.

      Perhaps they do, instead, deal a Nylander which, combined with a small portion of Horton’s contract, gives them enough, but something like that would have to happen soon rather than later since finding a taker for Nylander’s almost $7 mil cap hit is only going to get more and more difficult as we get closer to training camp.

      Maybe I’m missing something obvious, so your take on how that will be accomplished would be welcomed.

      • Hey George the answer to you question is impossible for anyone to really guess with any certainty. How can any fan or armchair GM know what’s really going on with a team when you’re not privy to their plan? You (all of us) can just guess and judge and criticize their moves (as fav pastime for you and others) but ultimately you’ll (we) be wrong more often than not.

      • Hey George, unless their situations ahve changed they can also use LTIR for Jonsson and Hyman, both will be out for extended periods of time apparently. take your $7.3 mentioned, add Horton’s $5.3 and a portion of those 2 contracts and it adds up, though they need bodies to fill out the roster as you mentioned. Also apparently if there is medical documentation that the player will miss the first 10 games of the season the LTIR savings can be applied to the cap prior to the season instead of on the first day of the season. Toronto’s cap situation isn’t as bad as it first looks, they can fit Marner though they are just kicking the can down the road a bit. Another cap crunch will come next season with the defense corps. Love him or hate him but Dubas has done some good work so far this off season IMHO.

      • No argument about the job Dubas has done from this quarter Ron and TB. Both your scenario explanations make sense. I totally agree – and have said repeatedly – that all we can do in here is guess and formulate opinions without ever knowing 1 tenth of 1% of what is actually going on behind closed doors.

        The key there is that, when one of us guesses correctly, we make sure everyone else is aware 🙂

        What’s the best “guesstimate” as to when Marner gets resolved – before training camp? – during training camp? – early in the season? – or, like Nylander, at the last possible minute in December?

        Mu guess would be before training camp.

      • I hope it’s before training camp but who knows. If not he’ll have a Nylander season. You can’t sit out for training camp and 2 months of the season and then jump in and play well, at least most can’t. And everyone seems surprised Nylander had a bad season last year, he came in December for his first game so who is really surprised he wasn’t at the top of his game? You can’t write a guy off after that, he should bounce back but they can’t waste a season of Marner with that crap either. I do think Dubas blew it last year with Nylander, much as I think he’s done well otherwise. If he’d let him sit it would have set the example and avoided the optics of signing him when odds are he would have a bad partial season. Also, to end my Nylander rant, I keep reading how Dubas promised not to trade him but I’ve only ever heard that from Nylander. Reminds me of Jimmy Vesci being promised to get top 6 minutes, flip side is you have to play like a top 6. No free rides in pro sports, or many other jobs.

  6. Looks like everyone is waiting for the rfa bar to be set by Toronto. Maybe they should give Marner what he wants. Put the pressure on the other GM’s to pay up. Set the bar high , let the other franchises scramble. Or they could negotiate on their own and do their jobs .
    Seattle will be off to a great start if Ron Francis is Gm. Great job in Carolina.

    • Toronto shouldn’t set the bar high, it would be detrimental to themselves to do so. They still have a lot to figure out after the 19-20 season and this doesn’t make it any easier.

    • Of course they are. Everyone knows the entire universe revolves are the Maple Weaks.

      • You are starting to catch on Ron, everyone knows it revolves around what the Leafs do. Always has always will. Must be alot of retired accountants on this site. Sure lots of number crunchers. Who cares let them get paid what they want. The players and management should know what players make, everyone else none of their business. Players should be questioning privacy issues. Let’s just watch hockey

    • How has Aho not set the RFA bar?
      I hear a lot about what Matthews got, but Matthews’ camp weren’t the ones to say they won’t revisit a contract until the end of the year.
      If Marner’s camp was open to negotiation during the season maybe he gets 11 as well, but they waited and now an elite young forward like Aho has agreed to 8.5M – at times you gamble and you lose.
      See Dzingel who bet on himself and it didn’t quite work out

  7. Bobby Mac may have the right idea – let’s take the rest of the summer off.
    Sound good, Lyle?

    • No. Bobby Mac can afford to take the summer off because he gets paid leave. I don’t.

      • I wasn’t serious, Lyle, don’t know what I’d do without my Spectors Hockey fix each morning.

  8. From the list above I think that Rangers are most tenuous in that they have to account for the most players and have to possibly make multiple moves to get signings done.

    Next in order of pressure to finalize things; to me; is Bos as they have two key young D yet to sign in McAvoy

    I agree the RFA situation is holding things up.

    Many posts keep talking about offer sheet for Marner but less so for Point. Point as a C; to me at least; should warrant more attention

    Re trade-bait — I would think Risto gets some fair amount of attention. Turris will be hard to move.

    IMO, someone will take a flyer on Gusev and this just may pay off in spades. It is looking more and more like VGKs just might have to trade his rights. Previously it was reported that a 2nd plus late round (or B prospect) would get him.

    Would love him on Pens; but that is several moves (and more than one team) to get

    Pens absolutely must sign Petterson and MUST move JJ. If they do just that; then Pens are OK. If they lose out on Petterson and keep JJ…. a first round exit would be the absolute Max distance they can go IMO.

    My dream kind of maneuver:

    Bjug + JJ + Rust to Minn for Staal, 2nd, Soussy

    Flip VKG 2nd, Own 5th, Rhuweedel to VGK for Gusev

    Sign Pettersson and ZAR

    Staal takes 3C; Gusev replaces Rust. These moves I believe will have Pens as a fair contender

    • That’s McAvoy and Carlo (missed listing Carlo)

    • Pengy,

      JJ for Puljujlovi?

      • Hi Ron,

        To be fair

        JJ for JP’s jock strap

        The JJ for JP would take a lot more in incentive I’m thinking

        What happened to the exciting report last week that Murray in Anaheim was interested in JJ????

        I’m a very very sad man 🙁

    • Pengy…. my post the other day.

      To Minnesota 27 year old Brian rust $3.5 million 20 goals if healthy…

      To Pittsburgh 27 year old smooth skater strong puck moving left handed shot [ pair with schultz] Jonas Brodin. $4.1 million.

      Make it better to unload bad contracts..

      RUST JOHNSON MINNESOTA

      BRODIN RASK PITTSBURGH

      ANOTHER DEAL
      TO PITTSBURGH KYLE TURRIS CENTER $1 MILLION RETAINED BY NASHVILLE

      NICK BUGSTAD TO NASHVILLE

      • Hi Black N Gold

        Re: Rust + JJ for Brodin + Rask—- fair trade IMO if Cap was no issue. Unfortunately Pens already basically at ceiling at this would net them an extra $1.5M coming in (so over the Cap limit and still Petterson not signed). I’m a Petterson supporter so skewed in my opinion here.

        I think he will fit fine with Shultz in 2nd pairing leaving Gudbranson Riikola as third pariing.

        Brodin as at now, better than Pettersson; but IMO not a huge difference and I truly believe that Pettersson is improving and just getting into his game; and he’ll come at much cheaper (at least for next 2 years) than Brodin.

        If we can fit both Brodin and Petterson in …. booyah!

        I get the Trottman signing as a depth D. Ruhweedel, even at that low salary for 2 more years?????? That is just plain crazy. There is no chance that he was being sought elsewhere. Pens paid him $700 K last year to sit in the Press box for 60 games and when he was on the ice he was not very good (a negative +/-). He could have sat w/o a contract for the whole summer and then he could have either been signed at 1 year or just let walk.

        They can waive him (no one will pick him up btw) but will GMJR do this… for some reason this is another poor player he has somehow taken a shine to

        For the Turris ($1M retained) for Bjug… same sit w.r.t. Cap… Turris comes in at a net of $5M and Bjug leaves at a $4.1M… so Pens gain a hit of $900K that they don’t have.

        Setting aside the Cap; if it was the Turris of 2 years ago; then that move would work. However, I think, unless something dramatic happens, that Turris is not going to get near that level again; so Pens would get an older, less productive 3C for a longer lock in. To me, a deal that they should not pursue.

        Now if it is Bjug + JJ ($7.35 M going out) for Turris and Nsh retains $1M (5M coming in — net Cap savings of $2.35M) … where do I sign 🙂

    • Gusev, Gusev, Gusev, why does everything have to be about Gusev. If VGK is only asking for a 2nd, a 5th, and or a prospect, he would have been traded by now. The Mc GM’s have nothing but time on their side, at least until Dec 1st. This is going to drag out all summer or into the season. VGK are fully aware of the potential they have with Gusev, and they will exhaust every option before they show their hand, and there is no hurry to do so. Gusev wants to crack into the NHL now, he could just as easily end up back in Russia for another year and come back as a ufa next year and see what the market is like for him at age 28. The point is VGK have more options than just giving away a (?potential?) NHL star for a 2nd and 5th. Yes they need to make room, but that can be done in a number of creative ways (move Clarkson contract with picks and or prospects, sign him to a 1 year deal with maxed out performance bonuses, move any number of players (Eakin, Patches, Stasny, Smith, etc etc, that a dozen or more teams could use and afford), or sit on him and send him back to Russia. Gusev really doesn’t have much leverage here if he truly wants to play in the NHL now. No matter what happens with Gusev I think the VGK will come out of it just fine, even as much as I would like to see him playing here in the Fortress.

    • Pengy….. I love what Rutherford is doing… We are getting younger, faster and more skilled.

      Tanev// Galchenyuk / Kahun all can fly and score 15 plus..

      add that to McCann Guentzal, Bjugstad & Blueger we are younger faster an better which is why we won the Cup

      if we can land one more defenseman like Jonas Brodin to put in the top 4 we are set…

      Crosby Guentzal Bjugstad

      Malkin Galchenyuk Tanev – (fast responsible both ends)

      McCann Kahun Hornqvist

      Blueger Simon ZAR/Wilson

      Letang / Dumolin (dumo plus 30 last year)

      Brodin Schultz

      Pettersson Grudbransson

      rust goes for Brodin

      • Hi BlackNGold,

        I like this team you’ve got

        The best part of course is no JJ

        I’m assuming it’s Rust + JJ + ? for Brodin

        The one thing I do disagree with; emphatically in fact; is that McC and Bjug from your list need to be switched

        Bjug is just not anywhere near playing up to the speed and reaction times of Sid and Guentzel ; McC is and showed it. IDK Why Sully kept shifting McC all over the place

        Getting Brodin will be very tough ; almost as tough as ridding JJ

        The easier play with Minn might be to go for Staal:

        Bjug + Rust + ZAR + JJ

        For Staal ; 2nd ; Rask ($1M retained); Soussy (Minor League D)

        Waive Ruhweedel

        At this point Pens have $6.4 M in Cap

        Flip Minn 2nd and own 5th to VGK for Gusev

        Sign Pettersson
        Sign Gusev

        Sid Guentz McC

        Geno G-Chuck Gussy

        Staal Tanev Kahun/Simon

        That’s 3 lines that can definitely put up a lot of goals

        3rd line will not be pushed around

        Blueger Kahun/Simon *Horny

        Rask

        * Horny expensive on 4th line but what can you do?

        Letang Dumo

        Shultz Petterson

        Gudbranson Riikola

        Trottman

        Murray
        De Smith

        That’s a roster that can compete; and has fair chance at a deep run

        Horny can move up or down; Rask can be given a shot to prove himself

        Worst case … and more space needed …. in a pinch Rask can be waived and sent to WBS and that would free up another $1.08M

  9. I wonder if Boston and Toronto would consider a trade. Say Marner for McAvoy. I think I would like that trade. Be able to keep the M on the back of the sweater, to keep costs down.

    • Exactly how are the Bruins going to sign Marner and resign Carlo with 8 million in cap space? Please explain how the Leafs have the ability to sign McAvoy with 3.75 left in cap room?

      And for the love of God dont say McAvoy will sign for less to play for the Leafs.

      • The Leafs wouldn’t have any trouble affording McAvoy’s ask if that trade was made. Right now they have $3.7M in space, but can put Horton’s contract on LTIR giving them $9M. They also have to demote a minimum of 1 contract, but realistically they have about 8 contracts that are under the amount you can bury. So if they needed to squeeze the space to say $11.8M by running with a 20 man roster to start the season they can. They also can likely put Hyman and Dermott on LTIR to start the season or after the start to call people back up.

        Boston would have to clear space if they made a trade, but their forwards have this somewhat internal cap created so I don’t see them wanting to make a trade like that anyway. Also, McAvoy is not offer sheet eligible so I think they would much prefer negotiating with him over Marner. Boston will likely be best off bridging Carlo and going long on McAvoy if possible. They can also move a couple of players on ELCs to the minors, or just waive a couple of players to get under the cap at the beginning of the season.

    • No thanks Vinnie, we’ll keep McAvoy

      • Caper, yep.

      • fair and tbh we’ll keep Marner

    • Mcavoy no but I think Carlo for Nylander would be good for both sides. Money still a issue obviously. I heard Pastrnak and Nylander are good friends. Still don’t see these teams dealing with each other.

  10. To all you Bruins fans on here answer the following questions:

    1. Do you think Kuluman is the answer for Krejci line?

    2. Knowing you have to sign Carlo and McaVoy, why on earth would you sign sifton and kampfer.

    To me SIffton is your insurance and Kampfer was a waste of cap room and I am not sold on Kuluman at all.

    • As Ray Bark said the other day, Kampfer if needed will be put on waivers if claimed so be it and if not, he can fill in for when a dman goes down. Sweeney likes to carry insurance on the back end.
      Boston has a few young one that at this moment Sweeney is hoping on a prayer that will grab the second line rw.
      Personally I like to see them get JP out of Edmonton, his cap hit wouldn’t be high and worth the gamble, also has the added size Boston needs.
      In the end I believe a defenseman will be trade, either Moore or Krug for cap space.

    • Kuhlman is not the answer maybe someone else like Studnicka or Lauko.
      Clifton is a good signing will be the third right side defenseman behind Mcavoy and Carlo. Miller and Moore will be out to start the season. That’s probably why Kampfer was signed. Also possibility of a hold out.
      Still need to shed salary. I’m sure Sweeney is trying hard to unload Backes.

      • Agree with both of you fine gentlemen/Bruins fans.
        Except I think the move will be Miller, but late and he passes a physical or proves to be on track. If he isn’t then LTIR. Just won’t know until closer to camp.
        It won’t be for much as Sweeney is in a bit of a bind, but I think a team or 2 could use his services.

    • A trade now between Boston and Toronto? Pigs will fly.

  11. If he hassn’t already…..Dubas should put on his big boy pants and explore the options of trading Marner…..the idea that Marner (IMO ) merits anything like 11.5 is ludicrous…..

    Dubas should not even engage in any conversation near that number….buckle up Kyle give Marner a fair offer in you eyes…..in mine it is 9.5 over 4 to 6 years….then stay with that offer….don’t negotiate thereafter

    Maybe Kypreous, Dreger, Marchand, and/or Friedman can pay him the 11 to 12.5 they have said he is worth….of course it is not only someone else’s money when they speak but it also clic gaining monoply $

    Put a deadline on the whole transaction…..be fair….be firm….be decisive…don’t be afraid to let him go ….there is always another bus coming…..you accepted a big man job & you have done some good things this summer….now or soon the big piece will call….if any part of your inner self whispers this is getting like Nylander last year….pull the trigger and get out of whatever you were thinking

    • Old blue dog. I think Dubas has put his big boy pants on , or he would have already signed . Dubas, big problem is kypreos and everyone else in the media. They been pushing him at 11.5 million since at least January. Daddy Marner has been listening and couldn’t make the money himself so he’s going to ride the kids back. Maybe Mitch should talk to Jack Johnson.
      The whole league is waiting for Dubas to do the dirty work. Need to blame someone.
      Maybe the rest of the league should put on their big boy pants.
      Melnyk should be happy saved more money for scotch and a liver when necessary

      • I honestly don’t think Dubas gives a crap what the media pundits say. If he does, he should find a new line of work.
        I agree OBD that Dubas will make and offer for what he thinks is fair and the team can live with, and then do sweet FA and let Marner and his agent make a decision. Also remaining cordial and professional the entire time.
        If they skip camp, OK. If they run it close to the deadline (I think Dec 1) then OK.
        If they go past and decide to sit for the year, then I guess they do.
        I would bet a paycheck that they won’t.

      • Matthews career high is 73 points and he makes 11.6! What’s Marners career high? Lol Do you blame him for wanting the same money? Numerous hockey people that YES vinnie know more than you or I lol say marner is the best leafs forwArd and deserves as much as Matthews

      • BBB, see my post above. an FYI Marner is my favourite Leaf player.
        He decided not to talk contract during the year, that’s on him.
        Lots of RFAs to choose from and no offer sheets to speak of, the one that did come in for Aho did not help Marner’s cause.
        No one is paying him 11M, if someone is, Toronto can just walk with 4 1st rounders coming their way.

        Marner deserves what he deserves, it has nothing to do with what Matthews got, that was a different time. A comparison is Aho – he got 8.5M.
        It will be interesting to see what Point signs at as well, I’d argue he is a better player than Marner.
        What do you think Rantanen is getting? 11M as well?

      • It has everything to do with what mAtthews and Tavares get! It doesn’t matter what aho got or what rantenan will get, if you were in sales and you sold a million more products than me but my base salary was 50000 more than yours what would you expect you next contract to be? Marner out performed both offensively and defensively for that matter both Tavares and Matthews this is all about internal salary’s marner has taking backseat he didn’t receive bonuses on his elc and he wants to be paid and rightfully so

      • If Marner was a #1C he would get $11M. He isn’t and he shouldn’t, and if I had to bet $20 I would go with he won’t.
        To be fair I didn’t think Matthews should have gotten $11M without buying UFA years.
        Comparing the defensive responsibilities of a winger and a center is comparing apples and oranges. There is reason #1C’s make more than other forwards, it is a more difficult position and more important to the team. If he was capable of being a #1C he would be.

      • BBB, Coincidentally I am in sales. That is not a great comparison since the world of sales is dominated by commissions, which means players should take anywhere from 30-50% of earnings in salary and the rest is reliant on their performance once they have accomplished it.

        Now, if you are talking straight salary then there are many examples out there of people doing the same job, at the same company and getting paid different amounts – regardless of performance.
        Salaries vary due to season, budgets and also time constraints.

        There are factors to every negotiation, I think your impression that timing and competition (Aho & other RFAs) have no affect on that is misguided.

      • Position doesn’t matter anymore, to say Center and wing defensively is apples to oranges than why isn’t matthews playing the pk? ……..because he is not good enough defensively, in a way I hope marner holds out because I guarantee Tavares numbers will drop! Marner set Tavares up on a tee so many times he drives the offense on that line not Tavares, why do you think Tavares before signing wanted to play with marner? Because he knew marner would keep the puck long enough for him to set up and marner would get the pucktoo him. If the leafs didn’t sign Tavares Matthews and even nylander to those contracts I bet marner wouldn’t be asking for so much, he’s lead the leafs in scoring 2 yrs in a row and none of those 3 took a discount so why should he?

      • Taz you you didn’t read the part where I said “ base salary “ I knew you would bring up commissions

      • That is actually a fair argument BBB. And I agree that Marner is a good defensive player. For a winger.
        D zone responsibility is different for a C. More skating, more reads on where to go and who to cover, helps the D down low, is required to assist in breaking the cycle, positioning to receive an outlet up the middle or on a chip from the winger, more switches. Size matters.
        Winger has his zone from the hash to the offensive D, boards to middle.
        Yes on the backcheck if he is first back he goes where he needs to, but the coverage responsibilities are standard the vast majority of the time and they switch when all forwards are back. At least that is how I remember it and what I see when I watch it. Forgot to mention face offs.
        They also usually transport the puck from out of their zone to the offensive zone.
        Just a more difficult position.
        Most Selke winners are C’s, most MVP’s are C’s, highest paid guys are C’s.
        Marner is an elite winger.
        Takes longer to learn, like the D.
        looks like we disagree again!

      • Ya ray you obviously haven’t been around new coaching in years by the sounds of it! Lol no point in arguing if you’re still in the dark ages of hockey no offense but that’s not the style of defense that most teams use! And why doesn’t matthews play on the pk? If he is better defensively, all those selke winners you mention they all lay on the pk

      • Bbb i cleared up the salary piece as well. Base salary for a salesperson follows the same principle as salaried jobs.

  12. With the addition of Duchene and the loss of Subban
    To Nashville: Shattenkirk and Beleskey
    To NYR: Turris
    Rangers get 2 mil in cap relief this year and a legit 2C until kids prove themselves. Nashville improves power play and gets a right shot dman and also adds Beleskey to replace Simmonds as grit ( or sends him down to AHL) They also get rid of extra 3 years of Turris compared to Shattenkirk. If Rangers can make another deal (Strome/Namestikov) they can avoid a buyout this year.After 2 years of Turris they will have option of moving him. He lacks nmc so he won’t need to be protected in expansion draft or worse case scenario they buy him out. Or maybe he plays well and they keep him.

    • No need for Turris and I think Shattenkirk+Staal are here til contracts expire

      • Shattenkirk only has a partial ntc. If Nashville isn’t on it, swapping him for Turris could make sense. The sweetener would be unloading Beleskeys 1.9 cap hit along with gaining 600K in cap space in swap. Would allow us to trade Strome. That would give us an extra 5.6 mil in cap space, which would cover the amount needed to sign all 4 rfa’s. ( Trouba 7.5/ Buch 3/ DeAngelo+ Lemieux 2 total) saves us buying anyone out and we add a mil sending Smith down. This would assume Fox is expected to play on day 1 and could allow an extra spot on D for another prospect. Turris 29 and I think he’s better than he showed last year
        There’s other avenues to take. I don’t think Rangers situation is as dire as some think. I definayely wouldn’t trade Kreider just to clear space this year. They won’t get full value.

  13. Obviously it has been publically stated that Columbus was after Marner. Why not trade him there? As much as I hate to see Marner go, the assets could be the better option. Maybe:

    To TOR: Jones + Dubois + 2020 1st
    To CBJ: Marner

    • Problem is, the asset doesn’t hold the same value in a trade that it does with an offer sheet. The four firsts don’t translate into this … you are asking too much. The other thing you need to consider when looking at your target team is can they afford to give up that particular player in that particular position? Cherry picking the teams best player, or best fit for your team, is unrealistic .

      • Lots of experience at this I guess. RIGHT

    • I wouldn’t trade Jones at $5.4M for 3 years straight up for Marner at $10M for 5, or whatever he signs for.

    • massive over payment for Marner

    • Yikes, no way that happens bro….I mean if it did Dubas would need a new pair of underpants.

      If anything the Leafs are the ones who would need to add the pick even with that there is no reason for Columbus to trade their two best young players.

    • Jones about to combat for norriss. Dubois the jackets best bet for a number one center. It’s a no go for the jackets. Jones or Dubois and a first is a stretch.

      And it’s not knocking Marner. But top pair star d and potential number one centers hold so much more value than a winger.

    • You can’t be serious – Jones and Dubois plus for Marner?
      Columbus would be laughed out of the league for that deal.
      I love Marner but that is ridiculous.

    • Holy crap. What a ridiculous trade proposal.
      Add Nylander, Captain Morgan, and a 4th and it might get it done.
      I want two Marner’s for 1 Seth Jones.

  14. Funny how Maple Leaf fans have no issue with Tavares getting 11 million per season and Matthews getting over 10 million per season but cry “greed” or “selfish” when their leading scorer and best player the last two seasons asks to be paid in line with others.

    Hometown discount or take less to play for Toronto nonsensical drivel coming from the local Leaf hype machines at TSN or Sportsnet are not only ridiculous but should be an embarrassment to both entities.

    • It’s crazy how anyone that anyone thinks marner doesn’t deserve the same as Matthews! They either really don’t watch hockey or are leaf fans I guess

      • So you’re saying centres are worth the same as wingers? I think Marner will be close to Matthews money personally but there is a premium for an elite centre opposed to an elite winger, but I’m just a Toronto fan so what do I know I guess.

      • @BBB The sad part is I get why Leaf fans think he might take a (home town discount ) . But very sad that there GM can’t figure it out even after he got fleeced by Mathews and Nylander .

        Very few players will ever do this on there first payday .

      • Maybe you should represent Marchand, he is underpaid. As are most of the Bruins. But to be honest I don’t even care about what they make. The more the better. Maybe what they should do is take all the salaries of the players and add them together and then divide it between the 31 teams.
        Boy , we would find out what teams were good at developing talent.
        Yes all 31 teams should have to pay the same in salary. That would be fair.

      • You’re right swany, Matthews has never got more than 73 points yet the give him 11.6 million no questions asked yet marner surpasses 90 and drives the offence on the Tavares line as well as killing penalties and being competent in his own end and he’s not signed yet?

      • If he deserves that why has no one paid him through an offer sheet?
        Sebastian Aho has 80+ points.plays short handed (ha 4SHG) and is a center but can play all three forward positions. He doesn’t play with anyone near the caliber of Tavares and he gets 8.5M? THAT is the market, this isn’t February, it’s July and things have changed.

      • I should add that I wouldn’t be completely surprised if he does get 11M but it would be a very poor result for Dubas. Where the market is at this very moment anything north of 9.5M will be a very badly negotiated deal.

      • BBB, stop already! The kid will get his money and the Leafs will be cap-compliant when the season starts.
        Spend some time worrying about your guys – they haven’t done much this summer and they have a couple of players to sign. Sky might be falling there.

      • STOP! Bcleaf lol I’m not the one on here saying mcaavoy and Carlo should take discounts to play in Boston or low balling premier players! Leaf fans don’t seem to understand that marner is going off the matthews and Tavares contracts, he’s not worried about what players are getting around the league he’s been a better forwArd than Matthews and Tavares and he wants to be paid like them

    • To be honest I think there is a difference between Tavares , Mathews and Marner. Tavares has been in the league 10 years. Mathews makes too much to soon and so will Marner. Tavares is getting money for the right reasons. Been good for a decade.

  15. No way Botterill would take on Turris’s contract…he inherited one bad contract in Okposo and Turris still has 5 yrs of term…no thank you.

    Edmonton or Winnipeg seem a more likely spot where Risto winds up. The Sabres can add a forward like Sheary and a prospect to make the deal happen with Edmonton. Winnipeg’s Ehlers would work but then they would be counting on Mittelstadt making big strides from last year or maybe Cozens shines once he is healed from his injured thumb.

    Botterill has the option of keeping Risto if the right deal doesn’t come about but that would send Jokiharu to Rochester. I think he learned his lesson with the ROR trade if the player has plenty of term then you have the control and not the player.

    • Did okposo ever come back from concussion?

  16. Everyone deep down is a Leaf fan. You can tell just by the way everyone continually talk about them
    Or they wish their team had the mystique of being the greatest fra
    nchise ever.

    • No just sick of the way leaf fans go one about their team when they haven’t been competitive for decades! Lol

      • BBB, If you are so sick of them ignore them. I think you just like stoking the fires and getting Leafs fans all riled up:)

      • Letting you catch up . 13 cups to 6 cups. History is part of hockey. Ahhh

      • It’s beyond ignoring them now mats! Lol one of them just said they should trade marner and package coming back would be the best return ever lol

      • PENGY….GOOD POINTS BJUGSTAD NEEDS TO PLAY WING PERIOD. HE CAN PLAY THIRD LINE WING MCCANN IS FAST QUICK AND AGILE NO NEED FOR STAHL..
        KAHUN PLAYED WITH TOEWS SO HE CAN PLAY WITH SID OR SIMON.CAN PLAY THERE…..WE NEED JONAS BRODIN HE IS TALENTED…PETTERSSON ISNT READY FOR TOP 4 MINUTES YET..
        BRODIN SCHULTZ CAN RUN THE POWER PKAY GET LETANG OFF THE POWER PLAY TO CUT HIS MINUTES.

  17. Pengy….all good points pens can easily move 1.5 million for brodin and rask..

    Rask is young & talented did well in Carolina didn’t fit in Minnesota..

    If we got Rask along with kahun galchenyuk and tanev we get you get more skilled.

    We can unload jarry or simon or both to fit brodin and rask.

    What speed talent skill

    RASK KAHUN GALCHENYUK TANEV MCCANN BJUGSTAD ZAR

  18. Marner makes others look good with his team player skills on the ice. Tavares made Marner look extra good last season. Marner’s agent wants to see him making at least what Matthews is getting paid. There is no easy solution here. With the cap numbers where they are the Leafs are stuck, they either have to fork out that kind of bread that Matthews makes or lose a fan favourite in #16. As a Leafs fan since 1968 it hurts to say this but they will not win the cup with the defence they have. I love Tavares but his contract has hamstrung the Leafs concerning improving the overall team. At this point I am so frustrated with Marner’s agent I say, “Offer sheet please.” Plenty of draft picks will keep the cupboards stocked for a few years to come. If Marner ever gets nailed by a guy like Scott Stevens it’s game over. He will be timid, and a perimeter player. Yes the game has changed but we will all be singing the blues next season in Leafs Nation with the defence we have. Offence fills the seats, defence wins games. Time to bring back the trap lol…oye

  19. Saying a C gets paid more than winger is bait for all of the media lemmings.

    Wingers that drive the play & play in all situations are rare. So they get paid accordingly. Kane won 3 cups & stirs the Hawks drink. Flames are nothing pretty much without Gaudreau. Marchand is elite & only Bergeron is a comp on the Bruins.

    JT & AM got bigger deals & have no cups & are who set the bar & Dubas did it to himself.