NHL Rumor Mill – September 9, 2019

by Sep 9, 2019Rumors34 comments

Updates on Taylor Hall, Torey Krug, and Ivan Provorov in today’s NHL rumor mill.

HALL

NORTHJERSEY.COM: Abbey Mastracco wonders what the future holds for New Jersey Devils winger Taylor Hall. He’s a year away from unrestricted free agent status and there’s no certainty he’ll re-sign with the Devils. Earlier this summer, Hall said he wanted to take his time before reaching a decision but that’s making Devils fans nervous as training camp approaches.

This season could be Taylor Hall’s last with the New Jersey Devils (Photo via NHL Images).

Mastracco feels it is tough to think of the Devils trading Hall in the middle of a playoff run if they don’t have the framework for an extension in place by then. They might be best served to move him for some type of mega-return but they could also keep him for the remainder of the season if they’re in the postseason chase.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: Much will depend upon the Devils’ performance this season. He could stic around If the offseason additions of P.K. Subban, Wayne Simmonds, Nikita Gusev, and first-overall pick Jack Hughes significantly improve the club’s overall play. If they struggle again and he still hasn’t re-signed, they could entertain offers leading up to the Feb. 24 trade deadline.

KRUG

BOSTON HERALD: Torey Krug’s future is among Steve Conroy’s half-dozen questions facing the Bruins this season. The club loves his play and he loves being a Bruin, but the cost of re-signing the pending UFA could make him difficult to retain.

Another strong performance like last season could see Krug command between $7-$9 million annually on the open market. While he recently suggested he could accept a little less than market value to stay in Boston, he’ll still be expensive to re-sign.

THE HOCKEY NEWS: Matt Larkin believes it’ll be difficult for the Bruins to retain Krug, especially as they still haven’t yet re-signed young defenders Charlie McAvoy and Brandon Carlo. He wonders if they could trade Krug at some point for a top-six forward.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: Another solid performance by Krug will only bolster his UFA value.  If he hasn’t re-signed by the trade deadline I think they’ll retain him if they’re still among the Stanley Cup favorites and worry about his contract afterward.

 







34 Comments

  1. Lyle, I know its early, but other than the above Twiiter link by Sam Carchidi, I don’t see your report or thoughts on Provorov

  2. It doesn’t’t even make sense. The Flyers CAN fit him under the cap at 8. Many other teams cannot, so where would he go?

    • You’d think, with $13,417,421 in cap space and currently 19 players at the ML level, there should be enough to ink both Konecny and Provorov. Using comparable, the former should come in between $4 and $5 mil – let’s split the difference and say $4.5 – that leaves them $8,917,421. But here’s the rub. IF Provorov is seeking $8 as Carchidi says, and gets it, they now have 21 at the ML level with $917,921 in cap space. Enough for the elevation of just 1 ELC from the AHL with almost no wiggle room. So they’d go into the season 1 short of a full 23. Doable and has been done before – but risky. IF, however, Provorov is indeed asking closer to $10, all bets are off because they then cannot sign both.

      And the RFA drama continue… and not just confined to Toronto.

    • How does Provorov deserve even close to 8mil?

      • Good question. But if he and his agent were ready to settle for a lot less you’d think something would have happened by now to get both under contract. Clock’s ticking.

    • Toronto of course. Everyone wants to play for the Leafs, and take less money for the honor of doing so. Besides, boy wonder Dubas can just snap his fingers and have tons of cap space magically appear.

      lol

      I wouldnt give Provorov 8 million. 6-6.5 max IMHO.

      • As I say in the new Werenski signing thread, Ron, perhaps this will bring Provorov back to reality.

      • I’d do 8, for 8 years…
        Be a bargain the last 4…

        Anyone who’s watched provy over the last 3 years, knows last year was not who he is.

      • Boy, I’d love to see a deal between the Flyers and Sens that send Provorov this way. Making a nice little clutch of Russians – Zaitsev, Ansimov, Andropov and Provorov (no, NYR, I don’t want Namestnikov!!).

        Chances of that, however, are between slim and none … and slim left the building.

  3. It was never confined to Toronto George: They just squawk the most and like to drive the drama train as many of the pundits can’t seem to control their urges to yank at the media train

    • That’s what was trying to get across Joey, without inviting charges of being a “hater”

      • @George: I”d never think of you as a hater and frankly anybody who has sat back for a few days anyways and read your commentary would be foolish to think you hate any team. From what I can see, you love the game and follow hockey as a rule and the Sens in particular. All good here man

      • Didn’t mean to imply you’d use that term Joey . Poor choice of wording today – goes with lack of sleep 🙂

        You pretty much describe my approach to the game – I try to catch as many different teams as I can but scheduling and TV coverage causes limits i that regard. Heh … there have been some in here who have accused me of being a Sens “fanatic” – but they have obviously never seen my anti-Melnyk posts or my opinion that I truly believe the team will be elsewhere by 2024.

        I do follow the Sens more closely than others for the simple fact they are close at hand and, after all, the team representing the city in which I live. In my younger days – when I was much more passionate about the game – I was, I suppose, a Habs “fanatic.” And in a 6-team league it’s easy to develop a strong liking for one team and and absolute dislike of another.

        My “second-favourite” team in those days were the Hawks – but only out of sheer pity for the underdog as they were perpetually a doormat in the late 1940s to the mid 1950s (same reason I latched onto the Pittsburgh Pirates in baseball) although my main choice were Da Bums (of Brooklyn – NOT L.A.) LOL

  4. Training camps open later this week and there are still 19 RFAs unsigned – several of them regarded as essential to their team’s fortunes this coming season. Looking at the list, the cap situation of the team concerned, the number of players shown at the ML level by CapFriendly (anything 23 or over signifies additional funds available with demotions, and availability of LTIR funds, I can see these 7 signed any day now or, at worst, early on in training camp:

    Fiala – Minn – $7,958,911 – 20 – no LTIR available
    Zacha – NJ – $8,711,667 -21 – no LTIR available
    Rantanen – Col – $15,615,239 – 23 – Cole’s $4,250,000 LTIR available to late Dec
    Mangiapane – Cgy – $7,756,625 – 20 – LTIR of $894,166 for Valimaki available;
    Werenski – Clb – $15,765,918 – 21 – no LTIR available
    Connor – Wpg – $15,450,836 – 20 – no LTIR available
    Konecny – Pha – $13,417,421 – 19 – no LTIR available

    These 12, however, could either miss all of training camp and sign on Day 1 after LTIRs become available or, drag on well into the season as did Nylander last season
    Marner – Tor – $2,897,199 over the cap – 24 – LTIRs – Horton’s $5,300,000. Clarkson’s $5,250,000, Dermott’s $863,333 to late Nov & Hyman’s $2,250,000 to late Oct
    Point – TB – $8,476,669 – 22 – no LTIR available
    McAvoy & Carlo – Bos – $7,294,167 – 23 – no LTIR available
    Boeser – Van – $4,158,461 – 25 – no LTIR funds available
    Provorov – Pha – $13,417,421 – 19 – no LTIR funds available (see Konecny in the first list)
    Pettersson – Pit – $157,500 over the cap – 23 – no LTIR funds available
    DeAngelo & Lemieux – NYR – $1,010,201 – 22 – no LTIR funds available
    Tkachuk – Cgy – $7,756,625 – 20 – LTIR of $894,166 for Valimaki available (see Mangiapane above)
    Honka – Dal – $970,001 – 22 – Hanzal’s $4.75 mil LTIR available
    Laine Wpg – $15,450,836 – 20 – no LTIR funds available (see Connor above)

  5. I would have Provorov closer to 5 than 8

    Last year the Devils were also missing Hall !
    I think a playoff contender for sure this time around.

    We might have to wait until early October for a clearer picture of who is holding firm. Usually the player blinks first.

  6. Well here’s Monday morning humor . We have all these RFA’s and their demands. Ok..so what would happen, if it could be done, if all of the GM’s with their respective problematic RFA’s were to trade each other’s problem to each other in an effort to clear out the logjam?

    Not saying it could be done or ever would be done, but would not a lot players and agents and interfering Mom’s and Dads suddenly be lost for words?

    • If their stance is based upon pie-in-the-sky demands for their clients/sons, all that would do is transfer the quagmires to a different GM. Sort of a distinction without a difference. 🙂

      • But it would certainly be fun to watch…

      • Hoo ya, would it ever! Columbus getting Werenski for 3 years at $5 mil per should send a message to a few of the D hold-outs, such as Provorov and Carlo

  7. Boston should entertain buying out Krejci, then re-sign McAvoy at maybe $5.75-$6M AAV on a 7-8 year contract. Then re-sign Carlo to a 5-6 year contract, with a $2.25M AAV and keep Krug for this season. That’ll leave a little wiggle room after the buyout. Then add that added cap money to next year’s cap space.

    • I get that teams have overspent, but buying out Krejci seems absurd when the guy just scored 70+ points. I’d like to believe that with some imaginative GMing, they could swap him for a smaller contract and a pick or two. Better than dealing with buyout numbers for 4 years.

    • Buy out windows are closed. That ship has sailed.

  8. The whole process is interesting to hockey junkies…..

    Werenski just signed 15 million over 3 years….AAV of 5….Gardiner AAV of 4 …LeafAdvocate thinks McAvoy and AAv of 6 …..and Carlo AAV of 2.25…Timo Mier with 30 goals AAV of 6…..

    But fans of other teams think Marner will get an AAV of what …..????….and think I am a nutbar for wanting to trade him or sit him if the AAV is around 10…

    Perhaps this is a unique year…..perhaps this is an RFA year with 3 or 4 generational players….though that would be a demographic phenomenon…but then the world had back to back generational players McDavid followed by Matthews….

    Or just maybe the only generational players out there are Crosby at 8.5 and McDavid at 12.5….and maybe the only thing generational about the rest of them is their PR machines….

    • Anyone accusing you of being a nutbar, oldbluedog, has you-know-what for brains. My stance on the Marner situation looks less at what he SHOULD settle for and more on what he and his camp are seeking, and the established tendency of Dubas caving in. Had he been willing to settle for a 3-year bridge deal at $6-6.5 that would have happened long ago.

      If Dubas has decided that he’s going to hold firm to his top offer – whatever that it – and let Marner sit until he blinks first, then that’s a stance that is exactly one year too late. If, however, he uses the full $10.5 of the Horton-Clarkson LTIR funds to get him signed on Day 1 of the season,, then his future problems have just become magnified.

      All we can do is sit and watch.

      • Can’t help but wonder what an arbitration award would have been for Marner had he had the right to take that approach.

      • George: the 2 issues that get me going re: Marner are:

        1) The one you just mentioned that by giving too much now the future problems have been magnified.

        2) Fans from other teams who say the Matthews contract is a bad one but also say the Leafs must use that as the comparable as it is an internal issue…..

        It is only internal if the Leafs management….not Kypreous, not Paul Marner, not some of the guys here who do not like the Leafs…..but Leaf management decides to let it be a precedent. If they cannot stand up to this guy and his entourage do that they will not build a winner as they will not have the grit to make future tough decisions that will be necessary between now and when they can win a round or two.

        Doing last year with Nylander and then with Matthews would have been better……but doing it now is better than not doing it at all.

      • OldBlueDog “Doing last year with Nylander and then with Matthews would have been better……but doing it now is better than not doing it at all.”

        Can’t argue with that sentiment.

    • “Or just maybe the only generational players out there are Crosby at 8.5 and McDavid at 12.5….and maybe the only thing generational about the rest of them is their PR machines….”

      This is the most astute comment I’ve read in a long time. “Good”, or even, “Very good” players are asking for far too much. The end result will be one or all of the following: Each team will have 5-6 overpaid players and the rest on ELC or at around $1.5-4 mil per year; Players exiting entry-level deals will either get huge paydays or nothing and will play in Europe; ticket prices and prices of other revenue stream inputs (jerseys, parking, arena food…) will continue to rise and price fans like me into the tv only zone.

      It’s all truly fascinating but I kind of miss the days when we talked about hockey and not salaries.

      • Yup. Here in Ottawa we’re anxious to see what the current negotiations with Chabot will end up producing in the way of a contract extension – IF they can get one done. Should be a doozy I expect if and when it’s ever concluded. I doubt either the player or Dorion will want to carry over negotiations into the new season, so if it isn’t done now, then this time next year!

    • Very true OBD. The Werenski deal seems fair to me. Not an overpay or team friendly.
      I would like to think McAvoy slots in close if the term is the same.
      I think reality will hit these players and most will be in camp, the simple fact is that many of the teams with RFA’s unsigned simply don’t have the cap space to pay the reported asking price.
      You can ask all day, but the bottom line is the team still has the leverage in this situation.
      I keep saying it, and I know it is an over simplification, but if the teams don’t want to pay the ask, they just won’t.
      I don’t think too many GM’s are sweating this yet and that includes Dubas.
      I could be wrong and we have a bunch of guys waiting this out right up to Dec 1, but still remain skeptical.
      I would set the over under at 1.5 for unsigned “high end” RFA’s not signed when the season starts.

      • Ray, I hope you’re right – for the sake of our pool 🙂 -when you say “I think reality will hit these players and most will be in camp…” Lyle probably hopes so as well because if most do sign before camps open towards the end of the week, there’s going to be lots and lots of back and forth discussions in these pages debating the wisdom – or stupidity as the case may be – all in our armchair humble opinions – of the contracts.

      • Ya George, and as a hockey fan, I hope we get these guys playing.
        As a Bruins fan, I hope is a fair deal for McAvoy and Carlo.
        The wildcards for me are Laine and Marner.
        Laine, I suppose just because it is a tough case. Guys who pump in 30 or better in their first 3 seasons are extremely rare and he is an incomplete player who IMO shouldn’t get what Aho is getting. He doesn’t drive the play like an Ovie but finds open and ice and shoots. And from what I read is weak defensively.
        Marner because it is Toronto and Marner was their leading scorer. They just paid Tavares and Matthews big $$ so tough not to pay Marner that $$.
        I don’t think they should and don’t think he is worth what is being thrown around, so possible stand off.
        Hence my 1.5 over under.

  9. Zach Werenski has signed a 3 year $15M deal, so we may have the set market price.

  10. trade hall and zacha for marner

    then nj signs marner to 10.5 for 5

    next!

    lol