Sunday NHL Rumor Roundup – December 8, 2019

by | Dec 8, 2019 | Rumors | 32 comments

Still more Taylor Hall speculation, plus the latest on Alex Galchenyuk and Andreas Athanasiou in the Sunday NHL rumor roundup.

THE LATEST HALL SPECULATION

SPORTSNET: Chris Johnston reports some teams believe it might take four pieces to acquire Taylor Hall from the New Jersey Devils. He adds the Devils’ conversations with other teams have been one-sided thus far. They’re encouraging clubs to make their best offers, but there’s not much back-and-forth discussion.

The Colorado Avalanche, Arizona Coyotes, and Edmonton Oilers are believed to have interest in Taylor Hall (Photo via NHL Images).

Johnston said there’s a lot of teams sniffing around, but the feeling in the industry is the Colorado Avalanche are the favorites right now. He adds they’re pushing to try to get Hall, perhaps as soon as the Dec. 19 Christmas break.

DENVER POST: Mike Chambers believes Hall would make the Avalanche a Stanley Cup contender. He believes they have the salary-cap space, as well as the depth in prospects and draft picks to make it happen. He feels the left-winger would be a near-perfect addition, either on the top line with Nathan MacKinnon and Mikko Rantanen or on the second line alongside Nazem Kadri and Joonas Donskoi.

Chambers feels the Avalanche are in the Hall sweepstakes regardless of whether they can re-sign him. If the winger is to be a playoff rental, Chambers suggests offering up Tyson Jost, their 2020 first-round pick, and a B-level prospect like Martin Kaut or Shane Bowers. If it’s a trade-and-sign scenario, he proposes a package of Jost, A-level prospect Conor Timmins, and a second-round pick.

COLORADO HOCKEY NOW: Adrian Dater list several reasons why he’s against the Avalanche acquiring Hall. He feels their offense is deep enough, and it could cost them a top prospect like Timmins, Bo Byram or Alex Newhook. The cost of re-signing Hall would complicate efforts to re-sign Nathan MacKinnon, Gabriel Landeskog, and Cale Makar within the next two years.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: Interesting perspectives from two Avalanche beat writers. Both raise good points for and against acquiring Hall. It will come down to the Devils’ asking price and the willingness of Avs general manager Joe Sakic to pay it.

Sakic recently told The Athletic’s Pierre LeBrun he wants to evaluate his injury-riddled roster once it is healthy before deciding on which roster needs must be addressed. Depending on how long Makar and Philipp Grubauer are sidelined, he could be forced to wait beyond the Christmas deadline.

EDMONTON JOURNAL: Kurt Leavins reports sources have confirmed the Avalanche, Arizona Coyotes, and Edmonton Oilers have already had extensive conversations with the Devils. He points out the Avalanche have a self-imposed salary-cap ceiling, the Oilers are tight against the salary cap, while the Coyotes lack the depth in blueline assets the Devils covet. Leavins acknowledges the asking price for Hall could be too expensive for Oilers general manager Ken Holland, but he wouldn’t be doing his job if he didn’t look into it.

THE ATHLETIC: Craig Morgan recently reported sources confirmed the Coyotes have interest in Hall. GM John Chayka declined to comment about Hall, though he said he always has to explore opportunities to improve his club. Morgan said Chayka is happy with his roster and would prefer keeping it intact.

Morgan doubts the Coyotes are a top-of-the-list trade partner. He speculates the Devils’ starting point would be a first-round pick and a high-end prospect, with a conditional pick and a roster player or another prospect thrown in. Morgan said Chayka’s shown no willingness to move goaltender Antti Raanta. He also noted the Coyotes’ limited salary-cap space and the high cost of re-signing Hall could work against acquiring him. 

SPECTOR’S NOTE: The Oilers don’t need Hall. They need a reliable third-line center and to shore up their defense. Jim Matheson recently observed the Oilers have given up too many goals over their last 10 games, which saw them go 5-4-1 over that stretch. Hall won’t address that problem.

The Avalanche have lots of cap space, but we’ve overlooked the possibility that could be by design. They could insist on the Devils picking up a healthy chunk of Hall’s $6-million salary-cap hit. A self-imposed cap could also make it difficult to re-sign him. If the Coyotes want Hall, the Devils will have to absorb part of his cap hit or take back one or two salaried players to make the dollars fit.

NEW YORK POST: Larry Brooks believes the Islanders should get into the bidding for Hall or New York Rangers’ winger Chris Kreider. He points out GM Lou Lamoriello’s history of making big acquisitions when he believes his club has a shot at contending for the Stanley Cup, as well as his attempt to sign Artemi Panarin last summer. If Hall or Kreider prove too expensive, Brooks wonders if Lamoriello would consider a reunion with Devils center Travis Zajac.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: Unless Lamoriello is willing to overpay, I don’t see the Devils sending Hall or Zajac or the Rangers sending Kreider to the Islanders, even as a rental.

LATEST ON GALCHENYUK AND ATHANASIOU

SPORTSNET: Elliotte Friedman reports Pittsburgh Penguins winger Alex Galchenyuk has surfaced in the rumor mill. He cited comments by Penguins GM Jim Rutherford to The Athletic’s Josh Yohe suggesting there might not be room for Galchenyuk on their forward lines once their sidelined players return to action. Friedman said the Pens are looking around to find the right fit. He thinks the Buffalo Sabres looked into it.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: Galchenyuk’s stock has plummeted since he was dealt by the Montreal Canadiens to the Coyotes last year in a one-for-one swap for Max Domi. He had a respectable 19 goals and 41 points last season before being included in last summer’s package deal for Phil Kessel. He’s struggled through injuries and adjusting to his new teammates, managing 10 points in 21 games. Given the Penguins’ limited cap space, they could flip him for a draft pick or a prospect.

A club in need of scoring depth, like the Sabres, could be willing to take a chance on Galchenyuk. He’s slated to become an unrestricted free agent next summer. If he doesn’t work out, his new club can just let him walk away.

MLIVE.COM: In a recent mailbag segment, Ansar Khan was asked if Detroit Red Wings forward Andreas Athanasiou might benefit from a change of scenery. He thinks so, pointing to his struggles this season, including a league-worst plus-minus of minus-33.

Khan doubts Athanasiou has a future with the Wings, as GM Steve Yzerman will focus on locking up young forwards Anthony Mantha and Tyler Bertuzzi to long-term contracts. He believes the winger could be shopped by the Feb. 24 trade deadline or before the 2020 NHL Draft next June.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: Athanasiou is also a restricted free agent with arbitration rights. Given his previously contentious contract negotiations and his struggles this season, it wouldn’t be surprising if he hits the trade block before Feb. 24. I agree with Khan that Athanasiou could regain his scoring touch on another team.







32 Comments

  1. Would BOS want a guy like AA in DET? That speed and big body would suit well with them?

    would a two 2nd and Backes get it done?
    The 2nd 2nd pick is to take back Backes

    Detroit adds depth for 1 season since they have the cap space, and gets 2 2nd rd picks.

    • IHC, other than the game where DET beat BOS I haven’t watched the wings this year. AA didn’t do anything in that game. +/- has it’s flaws but -33 is a scary number only 1/3’d of our way through the season. The entire team is -58. Doesn’t bode well for the type of team first play the Bruins demand from their players.
      If there is a Wings fan on this site, I would like to here their opinion on AA.
      I wish we had more news on Bergeron as he is out with the same injury he played through last playoffs. If it didn’t heal over the summer, not sure it will heal during the season.
      If he doesn’t come back healthy, the B’s won’t win anything so not much point in adding at the TDL.

      • Ray, he is suppose to play tomorrow in Ottawa.

        The situation isn’t good, for all the reasons you mentioned. If he’s in for two and out again, good chance his season could be done.

    • Good morning

      I think a very interesting scenario that has been overlooked with the Hall and AVS attachment ..is that Landeskog has been injury riddled over the past 3 years…and his contract is up 1 year from now …so next year is his last year with the Avs.

      I think if there was a time where you were going to use that money moving forward it may be with another player ..i.e HALL …

      keeping Landeskog this year for a run than looking to move him out this Summer and sign Hall as that positions replacement …

      yes it may cost more but if you trade for Hall …sign him and then trade Landeskog this Summer you can recoup some assets from the Hall trade upgrade that position and come out roughly even …Landeskog is not going to be signing again for $6 million AAV it may take more so why not go Hall instead ……give make McKinnon the Captain next year and start a new ERA

      the Avs have about $5 million in cap space at the moment …McKinnon is stil 3 years away from a new contract …so that gives you 3 years to re arrange a new ERA with Hall Mckinnon and Rantannen …and Makar and everyone can fit in nicely with the cap over that time …

      If Hall sticks by his statements that this next contract is about making the playoffs and winning the cup year after year …than he has to take a small haircut in salary …..If there was a team that you would want to do this on moving forward for the next 7 years its the Avs …for sure.

      While my stance on the Avs is more in the direction to shore up the wing with a Krieder type player instead and not give up the assets for a Hall ..it can be done and gives Sakic almost 4 years to figure the rest out …however Makar is one year away from a new contract as well…

      Anyways ..as stated …if the Avs get Hall they can use Landeskog to recoup most of the lost assets if they trade landeskog at this draft they will save almost $6 million on the cap to use toward resigning Hall in the off season..

      I mean when would Hall have this type of opportunity again …sign for $9 million and go for it every year for the next 5 years playing with players that he has not been able to be surrounded with …unless its all about the money!

      Cheers

      • Kal, if you are worried about Landeskog’s durability, why on earth would you want Hall? Hall has missed at least as many games each season than Landeskog.

        Your proposal would essentially be to trade Landeskog for Hall.

        Consider also that while Hall had a stand out season in 2018, their production is also about the same. In fact save for 2018, it seems like Hall’s scoring is in decline.

      • says Gabe is injury prone & they need to get rid of him for T.Hall lol…

        Cant make this $hit up…

    • IHC yes, he’s the ideal pick up for Boston. I’ve been wanting him since last season. As you said great speed and size.

      I don’t think Detroit takes Backes unless it’s a 1st and Sweeney isn’t giving up his 1st. Have to be a player and or prospect for the deal to happen.

      • @ Caper

        Watched the Hawks Boston game the other night …the Bs are on fire this year …you can not count them out of any game …no team has more 3rd period goals than Boston !

        They look so good …( really jealous )
        all the roll players step up.

        Goaltending tandem has been great and the top line is the best in Hockey ..no pre madonas and no one contract over $7 million ..KUDOS to Sweeney !

        Love ….Wagner Kuraly and Grzelcyk…great depth from those guys!

        Iam not sure id upset to much on this team or give away an active roster player ..( MAYBE ) Heinen…and draft pick to upgrade for the run but not much there after!

        I f I was a Bs fan Id be asking for that black and gold ” B ” logo jersey for Christmas..LOL

        Well …actually …its a toss up …the powder blue St Louis Blues jersey are stellar too…lol

        take care…. Cheers

      • @kali el went on line during the game to buy one but my size was already sold out.

        Although Boston has been winning except last night they got exposed by a really fast Colorado team. Anyway they have not been playing well both Halak and Rask have kept them in games it’s probably the best tandem in the NHL.

        Did I mention Colorado has a ton of speed and wow do I like watching McKinnon play he’s worth the admission. They’ll be interesting to watch when fully healthy.

      • As a pessimistic Bruins fan, I don’t think they are playing that well of late, despite the points streak. At least not 5 on 5.
        Great specialty teams and stellar goaltending and they generally make fewer mistakes than their opposition.
        Don’t get me wrong, one of the better teams in the NHL because of all that, but it is cup or bust for this team. Perhaps the current formula carries them through 4 rounds but count me as a skeptic. Bergeron injury, as I have said before, is key. as it forces the other centers up in the lineup.

      • Caper, great minds….

    • Andres Athansaeu is a complementary 2nd line winger. If you surround him with solid two-way players, he will put up numbers. He played well with veterans in his previous three seasons. However is an eye sore for his backchecking. The organization is losing their patience with his backchecking but he’s not on the trade block.

      There’s no way Detroit will take David Backus or any aging veteran. He’s around a 2nd round pick and more. I bet Yzerman would want a draft pick and a proven player who can contribute like Fabri

  2. The Coyotes can put both Hossa and Hjmarlsson on LTIR, that should absorb almost all of Hall’s cap hit.
    The rest could be a depth roster player like Hinostroza.

      • And the Coyotes would have to be compliant in mid-January not if the trade went down next weekend.

      • Lyle, it’s been mentioned before that cap hit is prorated for season. Is there a calculator to determine Hall’s cap hit? Does it go down everyday?

      • Ok. To answer my own question, I just looked up on cap friendly. Halls cap hit right now is 3.84m for rest of season. The daily hit is 32k. I don’t see a problem for Arizona if they include a salaried players?

  3. I agree with Adrian Dater with regards to the Hall situation. They have a very good young team and have a very good chance to win the the cup multiple times over the next few years.
    Trading for Hall and signing him to a big contract would upset their cap situation.
    This would be using the Leaf blueprint and that has been a disaster.

  4. The Galchenyuk situation is interesting. Last year he had a respectable 41 points, this year he’s on pace for… 39 (if he played a full season of 82 games)

    So he’s not exactly off his pace, and that’s with his ice time cut below 10 min per game.

    Yes, he’s not scoring goals, which is obviously a big deal, but he’s really not THAT much different from last year.

    Funny how he’s gone from a centrepiece for the Kessel deal to a “can’t make top 12 forwards”, though his ppg is virtually the same as last year.

    Read the Athletic’s article to see his coaches rave about his work ethic, too.

    Not sure why it doesn’t exactly come together for him, or what’s lacking from his game. And I am very curious to see what his next contract (or league?) is going to be!

    • As a Habs fan I paid close attention to Galchenyuk and there is one word that defines him: enigma. It’s not just his goals and points totals, which have obviousky dropped off. His defensive play has dropped from mediocre to lackluster to downright awful. And he doesn’t seem to want to work hard enough to improve. At this point, the Pens would be lucky to get a 2nd rounder and a B prospect for him. And if he doesn’t pick up his game, he’ll find himself in the KHL next year.

      • Howard, you may remember an article by Pat Hickey when Galchenyuk was traded. In it he detailed the undue influence the father had on Galchenyuk, through junior and into his time with the Habs.

        I haven’t read the Athletic article about his supposed newly found work ethic, but Tocchet has a reputation for building relationships with players. My feeling is that Tocchet could not undo the damage of a son being coached by his father.

  5. If we can get a 2nd rounder for Alex… GM Jim would be stupid not to take it!!!

    • Pens4ever…galchenyuk to buffalo for defenseman marco scandella..both ufas salaries really close.
      Buffalo needs secondary scoring

      We need a defenseman.

      Galchenyuk $4.9 million

      Scandella $4.1 million

  6. Being a regular reader here, I’m more aware of what Leafs fans think is wrong with their team than I am certain of Leafs personnel deficiencies, so I’m surprised not to see any speculation suggesting the Leafs get involved in the Hall bidding. Maybe, with a deal that would involve Nylander and Hall

    I know Leafs fans aren’t too happy with Nylander, and that they believe their team is too soft and defensively impaired. Nylander is often cited as part of those problems. A skilled but hard-nosed and hard-working guy like Hall would seem a helpful inspiration to the Leafs. Hall’s present salary is less than Nylander’s, and the Leafs could deal with his next pay raise next year.

    The Devils would be geting a younger rights-shooter who will be prominent in the NHL for many years to come. That should be attractive to them, since Simmonds will be 32 and Palmieri 29 next season.

    There would be other players involved in such a deal, and maybe Dubas’s promise not to trade Nylander would hold some weight. Then again. that promise would be voided if Dubas is no longer with the Leafs. If done though, that deal and a capable defenseman would seem to remove the major obstacles that Leafs fans say stand between the Leafs and a Cup

    • Trading Nylander for an UFA is ridiculous. Even if the Leafs could resign Hall he would cost more then Nylander and put the Leafs further into salary cap hell…any extra $ the Leafs have next year have will go into the D with Reilly and Dermott (who is an RFA) the only ones that are controlled by the Leafs into next year.

  7. The Wings aren’t scoring enough and they have one healthy proven scoring winger, so everyone wants him traded?

    That’s a Ken Holland move, not a Steve Yzerman move. Maybe they should trade Fabbri too.

    • I like the addition of Fabbri always thought he was talented..good addition by Detroit

      • Me too. Great trade by Yzerman.

  8. Hughes Hischier Blackwood Severson Gusev and Palmieri . Everyone else should be moved.
    Hall a rental deal to Colorado . Byram should be untouchable as far as prospects. I would be ok with Jost even in a rental deal and even a first . That’s all . Hall ain’t no saviour

  9. Why are GM’s even willing to trade solid prospects and picks to try / sign big ticket free agents. Save your capital I say and bid on what makes sense in the off season.

  10. Why would any GM not named Dubas want Nylander?

    • Benning in Vancouver is calling….. lol

      He will be glad to take him for Eriksson and 4 1sts LOL