NHL Morning Coffee Headlines – January 18, 2023
Ivan Provorov cites religious reasons for his refusal to wear Pride Night jersey during warm-ups before the Ducks-Flyers game, Mitch Marner sets a Leafs points record and Evander Kane returns to the Oilers lineup. Details and much more in today’s NHL Morning Coffee Headlines.
NHL.COM: The Philadelphia Flyers’ 5-2 win over the Anaheim Ducks was overshadowed by Ivan Provorov citing his religious beliefs for his refusal to participate in pregame warmups when the Flyers were wearing jerseys to commemorate Pride Night in support of the LGBTQ+ community. Kevin Hayes had a hat trick as the Flyers improved to 19-19-7 on the season while the Ducks fell to 12-28-5.
Philadelphia Flyers defenseman Ivan Provorov (NHL Images).
Provorov, who is Russian Orthodox, said he respected everyone and their choices during a post-game press conference. “My choice is to stay true to myself and my religion.” Flyers head coach John Tortorella also spoke to reporters following the game. “It’s one thing I respect about Provy, he’s always true to himself,” said Tortorella.
The Flyers released a statement following warmups indicating they are committed to inclusivity and proudly support the LGBTQ+ community and would continue to do so. They pointed out that a number of their players support their local LGBTQ+ communities.
SPECTOR’S NOTE: Provorov’s stand earned him condemnation and support on social media. Meanwhile, Flyers forwards Scott Laughton and James van Riemsdyk met with around 50 people in the LGBTQ+ community following the game. Laughton said that overall the Flyers had a “great, great night that brings a lot of awareness.” He expects there will be more conversations with Provorov. “I don’t hold anything against anyone,” he said.
Toronto Maple Leafs winger Mitch Marner collected two assists to extend his home points streak to a franchise-record 19 games in a 5-4 overtime victory over the Florida Panthers. William Nylander scored the tying and winning goals as the Leafs (27-11-7) sit in second place in the Atlantic Division with 61 points. Aleksander Barkov had a goal and an assist for the 21-20-5 Panthers as they sit three points out of a wild-card berth in the Eastern Conference with 47 points.
SPECTOR’S NOTE: The Leafs overcame a 4-1 deficit after replacing starting goalie Matt Murray with Ilya Samsonov. Murray has struggled of late, allowing at least four goals in four of his last seven games.
The Edmonton Oilers extended their wins streak to four games by defeating the Seattle Kraken 5-2. Zach Hyman had a goal and two assists while Connor McDavid tallied his league-leading 38th goal of the season. The Oilers improved to 25-18-3 and hold the first Western Conference wild-card spot with 53 points. The Kraken (26-14-4) remain two points behind the first-place Vegas Golden Knights in the Pacific Division with 56 points.
SPECTOR’S NOTE: Evander Kane returned to the Oilers lineup for the first time since suffering a gruesome wrist injury on Nov. 8. He was held scoreless but led all skaters in this game with seven shots on goal. To accommodate Kane’s return, the cap-strapped Oilers placed defenseman Ryan Murray and winger Kailer Yamamoto on long-term injury reserve.
Minnesota Wild captain Jared Spurgeon tallied twice as his club doubled up the Washington Capitals 4-2. Filip Gustavsson stopped 34 shots for the Wild (25-14-4) as they sit third in the Central Division with 54 points. Alex Ovechkin collected two assists as the Capitals dropped to 24-17-6, holding the first Eastern Conference wild-card berth with 54 points.
SPECTOR’S NOTE: Before the game, the Capitals announced forward Nic Dowd remains sidelined by a lower-body injury suffered on Monday against the New York Islanders. He’s likely to be listed as day-to-day.
The Montreal Canadiens got two goals from Evgeni Dadonov to upset the Winnipeg Jets by a score of 4-1. Sam Montembeault stopped 25 shots as the Canadiens improved to 19-23-3. Kyle Connor tallied his 200th career NHL goal as the Jets (29-15-1) remain in second place in the Central Division with 59 points. The Dallas Stars have the same number of points but hold first place on the basis of regulation wins.
SPECTOR’S NOTE: Canadiens defenseman Mike Matheson collected an assist in his first game since being sidelined by a lower-body injury on Dec. 17. Meanwhile, the Habs announced forwards Joel Armia (upper body), Jake Evans (lower body) and Juraj Slavkovsky (lower body) were placed on injured reserve.
Nashville Predators goalie Kevin Lankinen made 39 saves to hold off the Columbus Blue Jackets 2-1. Cody Glass and Yakov Trenin scored in the second period for the Predators as they boosted their record to 21-17-6. With 48 points, they’re three behind the Calgary Flames for the final Western wild-card berth. Gustav Nyquist replied for the 13-29-2 Blue Jackets, who’ve dropped 14 of their last 17 games.
Chicago Blackhawks defenseman Seth Jones scored the tying and winning goals in a 4-3 overtime win over the Buffalo Sabres. Philipp Kurashev had a goal and two assists for the Blackhawks (12-26-4). Tage Thompson tallied his 32nd goal of the season for Sabres as they fell to 21-19-3 on the season.
SPECTOR’S NOTE: Before this game, the Sabres recalled forward Peyton Krebs from their AHL affiliate and loaned goalie Ukka-Pekka Luukkonen to Rochester. Meanwhile, Blackhawks goaltender Alex Stalock entered concussion protocol on Tuesday following a collision in practice on Monday.
The Arizona Coyotes snapped a nine-game losing skid by downing the Detroit Red Wings 4-3 on shootout goals by Nick Schmaltz and Nick Bjugstad. Lawson Crouse collected three assists while Connor Ingram picked up the win with a 37-save performance for the Coyotes (14-25-5). The Red Wings slipped to 18-17-8.
Yesterday, looking only at the teams that figure to be in the playoff hunt, I posted their cap expenditures for their top 11 players (constituting half their active roster of 23 (the 23rd is a back-up goalie none of whom figure in the expenditures). I did not included permanent LTIRs (e.g. Weber, Seabrook, etc.) but have included those on IR/LTIR who are expected to play again. I thought it might be more interesting to look at the league in total so here it is again – complete:
Washington – $68,566,667 – 7F 3D 1G
Tampa Bay – $68,025,000 – 5F 5D 1G
Toronto – $67,543,116 – 7f 3D 1G
New York Rangers – $66,476,191 – 7F 3D 1G
Florida – $66,283,334 – 6F 4D 1G
Philadelphia – $66,042,857 – 6F 5D
Nashville – $65,816,143 – 6F 4D 1G
Dallas – $65,400,000 – 7F 3D 1G
Colorado – $65,175,000 – 4F 6D 1G
Winnipeg – $64,909,523 – 6F 4D 1G
Edmonton – $64,850,000 – 7F 3D 1G
St. Louis – $64,100,000 – 6F 4D 1G
Columbus – $63,983,000 – 7F 3D 1G
Vancouver – $63,810,000 – 7F 3D 1G
Carolina – $63,785,250 – 6F 4D 1G
Vegas – $63,250,000 – 7F 4D
*Minnesota – $62,168,588 – 6F 4D 1G
**Chicago – $61,888,462 – 6F 4D 1G
Los Angeles – $61,600,000 – 7F 3D 1G
Boston – $60,629,167 – 6F 4D 1G
Pittsburgh – $60,100,175 – 7F 4D
New York Islanders – $60,050,000 – 7F 3D 1G
San Jose – $59,112,500 – 7F 3D 1G
Calgary – $59,050,000 – 7F 3D 1G
Ottawa -$58,646,714 – 6F 4D 1G
New Jersey – $58,533,333 – 6F 4D 1G
Montreal – $57,585,000 – 8F 3D
Seattle – $55,066,666 – 7F 3D 1G
Anaheim – $50,562,200 – 6F 4D 1G
***Detroit – $49,250,000 – 8F 2D 1G
Buffalo – $44,300,000 – 7F 3D 1G
Arizona – $40,850,000 – 7F 3D 1G
*For Minnesota this includes the 2 buy-out costs of $6,371,794 for each of Parise & Suter -not counting them and just roster players their total is $53,875,000
** For Chicago this includes a $5,538,462 re-capture penalty for Keith – not counting him and just roster players their total is $58,700,000
*** For Detroit this includes $4,125,000 in buried penalry for Vrana – not counting him and just roster players their total is $47,225,000
The most used configuration is 7F 3D 1G by 14 teams – second-most is 6F 4D 1G by 11 teams. These 7 teams use something different as noted: TB, Philadelphia, Colorado, Vegas, Pittsburgh, Montreal, Detroit
Just wanted to thank you George for all that research and typing (outside chance I’d be patient enough to research all the details; zero chance I have time and patience to type all (down to the dollar… I go 1 decimal $M for ease of effort and read) single finger on cell
Quick view…. Leafs V Bolts (which will be round 1)…. Both basically top 11 @ $68 M…. Big diff … balance 5-5-1 for Bolts, with far superior tending
More importantly…. basically Leaf’s 1/2 Cap on 4 Fwds….. seriously hampering things
Pengy, one thing that sticks out in that list is that the 20th (TWENTIETH) team in terms of cap spending on their top 11 is Boston – and that works out to 73% of their cap, meaning they have 27% to spend on their bottom 11. Now, that could change drastically depending on what Pastrnak gets in a new deal – or it may not if they follow their formula by moving out a couple of the costlier among the bottom 11, We’ll see.
But right now, with TB, Toronto, Washington, Florida up over 80% on their top 11, they have considerably less to spend on their bottom 11, and so here we have the Bruins sitting first overall in the league, 10 points up on Carolina in 2nd place who spend 77% of their cap on their top 11 and have 23% for their bottom 11.
Seems to me Sweeney and Poile are doing something right.
And I agree — the one thing TB has going for them, despite being in the 80% + range on their Top 11, is Vasilevsky – heads and shoulders above all other goalies.
George all Baoston did was get Bergeron and Krejci to take huge discounts because although they are still first line players they’ve made there money and want to win with Boston. It’s not cap management It’s just to very loyal players who live there team. If they paid both those guys there true value they’d be near the top. Like all the other top teams. The top teams have top players and those cost so you bargain for the dime a dozen bottom players. Tampa has no state tax which has allowed them to play there players a little less. You also omitted the players who are not going to play for there teams anymore because of injury but those players were signed with the thought of being healthy so Montreal for example would be near the top if Price and Weber contracts were added.
George, interesting list. I feel there’s something missing that will draw a more complete picture. Especially with teams like Tampa and Montreal. I don’t know but would time be a valid factor? Like was Tampa always been like that or has it been recently? Tampa is a good case because the cap forced them (!!!) to make trades to stay cap compliant.
Hi George
Didn’t delve closely at the Bruins numbers…. But did you include the $4.5 M PBs for Berg and Krejci ?
Both signed for ridiculously low Cap hits, but true picture is the extra $4.5 M in Cap
If they weren’t included….basically boots them up in around Avs at ~ $65.1 M
You listed for top 11… so bottom 12 need to be covered …. Next year Cap ceiling at $83.5 M, and accounting for 12 players at league min (bear with me) plus say $1 M buffer (short term call ups)…. Total $10.3 M
Add what you have for top 11 and diff from $83.5 M leaves team *flex to fill 12 (more than 1/2 the team) with player ABOVE league min
Setting aside having to move mid players out to accomplish this….
And… *I’m not blind to the reality of so many mid level under contract and not great deal of ability to freely move them; but just to point out the math
Flex (to improve over 12 League min contracts) then
Only $4.6 M for Caps ; $5.2 M Bolts; $5.6 M Leafs
But ….Canes…. ~ $9.3 M
Eye opening
Guys, what I listed were the top 11 players in terms of cap expenditures. So what if Florida has tax breaks other don’t have? Bottom line is, what I show are the cap hits handed out by the various GMs as things stand now,
Of course some time in the future things will change as and when players come up for new deals – whether UFAs or RFAs – and the list will change accordingly. But right now – at this moment – the list is what it. Sure, if Price and Weber contracts were added to Montreal and Vegas their totals would be different. But they are LTIRs and so, once the season begins, both amount to cap relief.
Of course the top teams have top players – otherwise they wouldn’t be there. But regardless of HOW they did it, both Boston and Carolina have more cap to spend on their bottom 11 than any of the other top teams. Simple fact. And I won’t even go into Seattle.
Sometimes I wonder why I bother going to the effort to compile s*&t like that … I just thought it would be more thought-provoking than endless fantasy league trade scenarios or indignant responses when someone posts something critical about someone’s favourite team.
Oh I appreciate it, I’m just looking at oddities and wonder what or if could be the cause of them…just to support the numbers.
You know, for those that like to pick up on something without seeing the full picture. See comments section.
Pengy, what I did was use CapFriendly as the source. So, for Boston the top 11 cap hits are: McAvoy – $9.5; Pastrnak $6,666,667; Lindholm $6.5; Marchand – $6,125,000; Hall – $6 mil; Coyle $5,250,000; Ullmark – $5 mil; Carlo – $4.1 mil; DeBrusk – $4 mil; Foligno – $3.8 mil; Grzelcyk – $3,687,500.
Bergeron’s cap hit is $2.5 mil while Krejci’s is $1 mil. Neither are in the top 11. Regardless of their value – which is considerable – that’s what they signed for. Great deals for the team obviously – that other teams haven’t been able to negotiate – yet – on that scale – but I can only show what IS – not what should be artificially jiggered to suit comparisons.
Hi George
Thanks for clarifying
The actual PB hit of $5M ($2.5 + $2.5 M is PB[already earned by playing in 10 games]) would replace Grz $3.7 M …. $1.3 M total
so Bruin line would be total of $61.9 M moving up only two spots and now at 7F-3D-1G instead of the 6-4-1…. still fantastic compared to Leafs – dang
RW says Sweeney doesn’t know what he’s doing…. Cup favs, lower on the list… I’d say Sweeney doing much better than Dubas
George, lot of data to look at, good job. hard to include everything. Ie Bergeron cap hit is $2.5 he also has $2.5 in performance bonuses which he has achieved. His salary is $5m team can either try to pay them bonuses by season end or the cap get reduced by that amount next season.
In reality has very little to do with the depth of information you put out.
Exactly, Caper. Bonuses aside, what Boston is being registered as for Bergeron – in terms of Cap Hit as per CapFriendly – is $2.5 mil. That’s it. And that is less than the 11th man shown – Grzelcyk. So, in effect, Bergeron is among their bottom 11 – in terms of Cap Hits.
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Take the win and run…. Murray slide not pretty. Got a couple calls/missed calls go our way; but like the push to come back and win 👍👍
MM 19 game home points streak👍👍
Cats… Bobo (again) didn’t play well…. At the Cap ceiling, $10 M goalie playing like a Zamboni driver back up; no firsts next 3 drafts; last year Prez trophy , this year ing seriously looking like missing the cut …. does Zito sleep at all?
Oil… McD goal again… nice. Great to see Kane back. A bit rusty but was hitting and shooting, good sign. Campbell righted his ship??? Only seen Deharnais in 3 games… seems a good fit… small sample size…. Oil fans, agree/disagree?
Re “ Alex Ovechkin collected two assists ”….. if Parros (and refs) had done their job (re Isles)… Ovi would not have played last night.
If the red had done their job… The leafs would have lost. Never seen such and obviously one sided game in recent memory. Legal hits called penalties, refs sending guys to the box because their feelings got hurt when getting chirped… League needs clean up there bad… Always has
Regretfully (as a Leafs fan) Tending to side with you on this AZHN
Leafs certainly had the benefit of the doubt (by refs) several times last night.
We’ll shamefully take the V
Leafs year???
They have to go through Bolts and Bruins; then if the miracle happens (Bruins don’t advance to ECF); likely Canes (with recent hints of adding Horvat)
Leafs year? In no way am I counting on that
Re “ Bettman has seen to it!”, I (along with everybody not named Gary Bettman) would like to have Bettman see to it when it comes to maximizing HRR….cite minimum of 4 years of barn hockey in the desert)
Lyle
Question re IR and LTIR
Many times we’ve seen players switched from IR to LTIR , once it is realized that the injury will go past the LTIR threshold (24 days; 10 games); and the switch becomes retroactive back to date of injury
I believe Cap relief goes with LTIR but not IR…. Is that correct?
If so… Tanger close , but not playing tonight; if they know they are keeping him out Friday’s game (Home v Sens)…. They could put him on LTIR (retroactive to after Detroit game) ; gain that LTIR cap space; activate him off LTIR on Sat (having passed 10 game/24 day) so that he can play in NJ on Sunday…. Is that correct?
Cap relief only comes from LTIR
Excellent… then I hope Pens win tonight; leaving Tanger less needed Friday; put him on LTIR retro to Detroit game; remove him from LTIR Sat
10 games basically 1/8th of season…. That’s $740 K in valuable LTIR Cap relief space to have!!
looks like (on top of Tanger and Petry ) , Rutta may still be out tonight
Need to go
Pettersson/Smith
Freidman/P-O J
Dumo/Fedun
When all healthy
Tanger/Petterson
Petry/P-O J
2 of Smith, Friedman, Rutta
7th: 1 of Smith, Friedman, Rutta
Move Dumo (Cap space) , pick and/or O’Connor for 3 C upgrade
I stand with Ivan and making HIS choice. I believe in standing up for yourself and your personal beliefs. The NHL is going wine like every other sport and they’ll lose a ton of fans if they keep pushing this bs down our throats. Live and let live. Period.
Well said JC I wouldn’t wear no stupid rainbow jersey either and I’m not religious each to they’re own why have a pride night? Go woke go broke I can’t watch anything between periods it’s all crap 💩. Seen where NHL during all star game is having some work fair everyone welcome except white people. Clown 🤡 World
Thanks bigots
Brock, JC is correct. I believe you can make a choice even if it’s unpopular or wrong. No one is saying there wouldn’t any consequences though.
$1,000,000 says you’re racist and homophobic.
“I wouldn’t wear no…”
Good lord.
Bigot because 2000 year old beliefs don’t conform to beliefs of the last 20-30 years?
The guy isn’t chasing down homosexuals with a pitchfork and torch. He’s not burning rainbow flags. He’s simply expressing his religious beliefs. He’s entitled to them.
This kind of nonsense from people who wouldn’t be caught dead in a rival team jersey, because they’re fans?
And that’s not infringing of your religious or moral beliefs! Just preferential bs.
Personally, I don’t care what people do. But don’t tell me I have to participate in your beliefs when they conflict with mine, and I’ll return the same respect.
CO, so I guess what you’re saying is persecution is justified if it’s religious based? Wasn’t that always been a problem with religions? Take the Taliban or Isis, are they acceptable to you? From what I have seen, any orthodox religions, have major control issues and prejudices.
I guess what it all comes down to is ignorance has no bounds and exclusion through ignorance is something I like no part of. I believe everyone has something we can learn and gain from. Hatred, after all that’s what it is, hatred of something different than what has been a custom is fear of change, growth and peace. Live and let live for all.
I’m pretty sure that making a small minority of people uncomfortable isn’t gonna hurt the nhls bottom line.
“I make a choice to not support people that are different from me even if they are maligned and marginalized for no reason other than loving someone I do not approve of.”
You are just exercising your right to hate and xenophobia.
Wached the Edmonton Oilers Game last night with Seattle… Great and fast Game
But it was the connor Show Again last night
going End to End with a Beauitfull Goal ❗️👌
Evander Kane looked good, but need to get his game speed and timing back, just lucky to have him back so soon😃
Oilers New d/man Big Vin desil (Desharnais) continus to look good in his 4th game👍
Congratts to Jack Cambell had an other very good game, he is now 4-0 in
Last 4 games in a row with
SV % 9.27
GA -2 av
G-22
I am disappointed in Provorov for 2 reasons: First: Being a member of the LBGTQ2+ community is not choice. Following a religion is a choice BUT I get how personal a religion is; Imagine how hard it is to give up a religion, It is even harder to just give up sexuality….bt I digress.
My second issue is that his salary (and all league revenue) is generated through the fans. All fans. There is not sort of differential between people contributing to the revenues. As a player, league, organization you are being paid to preform and be seen. If you do not do what you are being paid to do. it is theft. I have no idea what the amount should be but, Provorov should donate something to local LGBTQ2+ organization. IMHO
Can’t help think knowing what we do about Torts, his comment wasn’t that much of a comment of support but more like if you read between the lines he’s saying, not a team player.
Maybe the best solution is to keep the ignorant in the dark.
It is somewhat ironic that some here wish to direct Provorov to conform to a certain way of thinking, standards of behaviour and actions. Because he is paid by fan dollars. I don’t have any problems with a pride night by the flyers – good idea. I do have a problem with people trying to enforce group think on others.
Which brings us to the ironic part. Russian government has become in recent years stridently against LBGTQ2+ rights. In Russia, there is exactly this form of enforced group think happening including on this issue. People who support LBGTQ2+ rights are seen as bad if not evil for going against this government line. Including being put in prison, or falling out of high windows disease. Hmmm, what possible inducements for a guy with family in Russia to act in concert with what his country’s government enforces on its citizens.
Casting stones is easy, apparently thinking through the complexities of this violent world is hard, especially for some people here. Maybe Provorov hates gays, maybe he doesn’t – but his government wants him to do that, and has many means to make him do what it wants. Some the posters here should think about such things before they emote about what they think is virtuous or not.
No one forced him to leave Russia. If he’s uncomfortable with we’re “Western” culture has evolved, he’s under no obligation to participate.
*with where
Brock can take his kids to Drag shows I prefer to teach mine to play hockey each they’re own. Ivan did Ivan respect his right and you wear all the rainbows 🌈 you want but don’t expect me to wear them.
You realize that at VERY least one of the players you cheer for on a daily basis is likely gay or bisexual right?
I could care less if they’re gay or whatever I just don’t need a flag or parade shoved in my face at a hockey game or any other sporting event. They’re have been very few athletes stand up for his or her beliefs they just go with the flow don’t want to upset the apple cart. Finally nice to see some courage and Ray your tax increase wasn’t enough to stop the Country from going broke time to wake up.
Whatever Obe keep complaining. How about just don’t watch and don’t tell us how much it bothers you. Either way I hope you will be OK.
We agree on the debt Obe, just not how to deal with it. Sorry, but trimming the fat ain’t gonna do it, our problem is much bigger than that. So please clue me in on how we pay for it, unless you would prefer to have tanked the economy during covid? Pretty sure the debt would have been worse. Not sure what you are for, just what you are against, because that is all you talk about.
There are those that try and fix and those that just bitch.
Obe I get exactly what you mean….I can’t stand national anthems before sporting events or the inclusion of the military in our sporting events, which to me are a source of entertainment just like movies, concerts, etc are. Why is there a need for that? That’s shoved down my throat like it or not…let’s do something about that.
Cue the outrage and virtue signaling as soon as something like this happens. From both sides. As predictable as the sun coming up in the morning.
Most players participate, one didn’t, each had the right other way. No biggie IMO. Who cares. You do you, none of my business.
But those that simply need to tell the rest of us the way it should be and took the time to tell us how much “woke” upsets them and they just can’t deal with it. They can’t watch! Triggered snowflakes whining because other folks think differently.
The NHL ain’t going broke because they did this, use your head.
Seriously, chill. And if you don’t like it, don’t watch, but please quit whining all the time.
I am dying to know how it would have gone over if someone decided they did not want to honour Remembrance Day, or Black History Month… no amount of “religious freedom” would ever excuse that in the eyes of this bigotry.
I’m 84 and I have to admit I’ve run across a LOT in my age bracket who’s upbringing has left them intolerant when it comes to a lot of today’s life choices.
I don’t know why I turned out different from that rigid viewpoint, but I learned a long time ago to embrace a French expression that suits such situations to a “T” – chacun à son goût (each to his own taste).
I have known – and still know – a number of them friends – quite a few who would now be considered among the LGQTB community – even extended family.
And that has not changed or altered my calling them friends/family.
Yes, there will continue to be those who choose to remain intolerant – often on religious grounds – but I will never try to make them see differently …. and they had better not try to coerce me to seeing it their way.
“whose upbringing …” dang auto-correct
Your views are bigoted.
George,
Well Said, 👍
Before i Retired, I had a number of ladies and gentlemen on my team i worked with, also my wife and i have freinds who are ladies and gentlemen would now be considered among the LGQTB community ,
its a free country free choice its harmless 👌
What happen last night with Provorov doesn’t make alot of sense to me.
however in away the one who seems to come out of this with a win is the LGQTB community.
Yes one player didn’t wear the rainbow sweater for religious reason.
Today it’s a news storey everywhere you look. Cnn, fox, abc, nbc eveyone is talking about it and for the LGQTB community that is a good thing, keeps it front and center.
That’s a two way street. This is also a story that writers at sights like fox cream their jeans over. The so called anti woke crowd are getting equally stroked by this.
Round and round when’s it stop? The merican dream.
You have to wonder how folks defending Provorov’s individualism were triggered by Colin Kaepernick taking a knee.
Scratch the surface a little and bigots show themselves.
Refresh my memory. Aren’t the same people defending Provorov took issue with Kaepernick when he stood up for his beliefs?
What’s the difference between the two other than one is a legitimate cause that needed the attention and the other is personal dictated by a control mechanism, ie religion?
It was a fascinating dive into the the politics, the beliefs, the frustrations… the insecurities in many cases… and fear. I loved the board today.
You know why? No bots. This was a neat honest study of the people on this board.
Thanks everyone!