NHL Rumor Mill – September 26, 2020
The latest on Patrik Laine and Marc-Andre Fleury plus an update on the Coyotes and Penguins in today’s NHL rumor mill.
WHAT WOULD IT COST TO ACQUIRE LAINE?
SPORTSNET: In a recent mailbag segment, Ken Wiebe was asked about the trade speculation surrounding Patrik Laine. He isn’t ignoring the possibility of the 22-year-old Winnipeg Jets winger getting traded However, he considers it a long shot unless general manager Kevin Cheveldayoff gets blown away by an offer.
What could the Winnipeg Jets get if they trade Patrick Laine? (NHL Images)
Wiebe said the Jets would like to re-sign Laine, who’s a restricted free agent next summer with arbitration rights. However, the flattened salary cap will affect those negotiations. Laine could command as much (or more) than captain Blake Wheeler’s $8.25 million annual average value if he takes another step forward in his development next season. If common ground can’t be reached, the trade talks could heat up next summer.
THE SCORE: Matt Teague and Brandon Maron listed the Colorado Avalanche, Carolina Hurricanes, Columbus Blue Jackets, New Jersey Devils and Minnesota Wild as five possible trade destinations for Laine.
From the Avs, they suggested a return of defensemen Ryan Graves or Nikita Zadorov, blueline prospect Connor Timmons and center Tyson Jost. From the Hurricanes, Vincent Trocheck and Brett Pesce. From the Blue Jackets, defenseman David Savard, winger Josh Anderson, and a 2021 third-round pick. From the Devils, defenseman Damon Severson, forward Pavel Zacha, and Vancouver’s 2020 first-round pick. From the Wild, defenseman Matt Dumba, center Joel Eriksson Ek, and the conditional 2021 first-round pick from Pittsburgh.
MONTREAL GAZETTE: Pat Hickey believes the Canadiens are in a position to make an attractive pitch. He suggests offering up Max Domi, defenseman Brett Kulak and either Cale Fleury or Noah Juulsen, and the Canadiens’ first-round pick (16th overall).
THE ATHLETIC (subscription required): Eric Duhatschek believes the Jackets would have to part with Seth Jones or Zach Werenski to acquire Laine, which he doesn’t see them going. He feels Hurricanes blueliner Pesce would be more attractive to the Jets than Dougie Hamilton, who’s a year away from UFA eligibility. Laine to Minnesota for Dumba also makes some sense, though the Wild’s biggest need is at center.
SPECTOR’S NOTE: That sound you’re hearing is most Jets fans panning those proposed deals. Justifiably so. The return for Laine would have to be significant, which those suggested returns are not. However, those proposals also illustrate the difficulty Cheveldayoff could face getting a quality package for Laine. As talented as the young winger is, and as much upside as he has, getting equal or greater value won’t be easy.
When the Laine rumors first surfaced earlier this month, one Winnipeg sportswriter said the return better be someone of the equivalent of Buffalo’s Jack Eichel. I agree with the sentiment, but the reality is that type of return is rarely received in trades involving stars like Laine.
Hanging over all this, of course, is Laine’s contract status at the end of 2020-21. If Cheveldayoff doesn’t believe he can afford to re-sign the winger, perhaps he’ll feel it’s best to move him now instead of having contract talks become an unnecessary distraction over the course of next season.
FLEURY PREFERS STAYING IN VEGAS
THE SCORE: Sean O’Leary cites The Athletic’s Jesse Granger reporting Marc-Andre Fleury prefers staying with the Vegas Golden Knights. The 36-year-old goaltender said he’s loved the city and the team from the moment he arrived. It’s believed the Golden Knights could re-sign Robin Lehner, making Fleury potentially expendable. He said he gets along fine with Lehner and is open to splitting the goaltending duties with him.
SPECTOR’S NOTE: The Golden Knights only have $4.94 million in salary-cap space for 2020-21. They’ll need more than that to re-sign Lehner. They’ll have to shed salary and Fleury would be the most likely trade candidate. Moving his $7 million annual average value over the next two seasons won’t be easy, but it could be done by perhaps retaining a portion of it.
LATEST COYOTES RUMORS
ARIZONA COYOTES INSIDER: Craig Morgan reports it’s not a certainty the Coyotes will trade goaltender Darcy Kuemper. Before the hiring of general manager Bill Armstrong, it was believed the asking price for Kuemper was a first-round pick. However, it appears they now want more than that. If the Coyotes cannot maximize the return on an asset like Kuemper, Morgan feels they should hang onto him.
Morgan also noted Niklas Hjalmarsson won’t waive his no-movement clause. While we have to wait-and-see on Oliver Ekman-Larsson, Morgan senses the blueliner’s camp is open to a change of scenery.
Center Derek Stepan and defensemen Jason Demers could be attractive to rival clubs. In addition to goalie Antti Raanta, Morgan suggests keeping an eye on forward Michael Grabner and defenseman Alex Goligoski. He cites sources indicating Calgary, Edmonton, Montreal, Ottawa, Winnipeg, Buffalo, Detroit and Los Angeles are among his eight-team no-trade list.
SPECTOR’S NOTE: Ekman-Larsson has a full no-movement clause and reportedly loves living in Arizona. Nevertheless, it’s noteworthy that he could be open to a trade, though I daresay it’ll be a short list made up of playoff or Stanley Cup contenders.
UPDATE ON THE PENGUINS
TRIBLIVE.COM: Jonathan Bombulie reports Pittsburgh Penguins GM Jim Rutherford said he’s not interested in trading Brian Dumoulin or Marcus Pettersson. He expects recently acquired defenseman Mike Matheson will play on the left side. Rutherford also said Jack Johnson will have to compete for the sixth defenseman’s role, and he doesn’t plan to be active in the free-agent market.
SPECTOR’S NOTE: If Johnson doesn’t nail down that role he could be shopped or demoted, with the latter the most likely option.
I’ll answer for the Devils on that Laine question, Yes, dear god yes. No second thoughts.
LAINE
I think Bergevin will be all over getting Laine
..he has been hard after a franchise Winger with a scoring touch for some time now ..that he can hang his hat on and who will get paid big bucks and be an all time Habs Great !
I think Bergevin wants this guy for his own legacy …I say Lanie ends up a Hab ..IMO
Id move Domi & Drouin along with Metes in a deal …for this to happen..and bring up Phoeling to Center Lanie ..
My thought originally was that Laine would not be moved by Winnipeg, period. But if rumors are true that he wants a boatload of money and Winnipeg does not want to meet that demand, then it is best for Winnipeg to maximize their get. I am not saying the offers mentioned by Lyle are the best they will receive, rather I think they will get better offers now then a year from now when they are stuck between a rock and a hard place.
Kal, Pat Hickey is normally very well thought out but what eludes him in proposing this trade is that the Habs would have to offer more than he proposes. And more than you propose.
He derides the Habs first round choices, and he is correct that a sure thing is better than a hopeful draft pick. But wouldn’t the Jets think so too? The # 16 pick is outside the list of those thought to be good NHL players this year.
More importantly, the Habs would have serious cap issues the year after next with Laine. They have 7 UFA/RFA fowards to make decisions on, including Gallagher, Danault and Tatar.
He also has to calculate what it would cost to resign Laine the year after next. Laine would be an RFA, not a UFA, but there is always the chance that Laine becomes an unhappy camper in that process. Then what?
No question the Habs need bigger forwards who can score, but I struggle to see how they can entice the Jets without doing themselves damage in the process.
@ LJ
Noted ..thx …I think Bergevin has been holding back some cap space for another run at BIG name and IMO its Lanie ..as he tried with AHO ..If you dont like teh Deal I proposed ..Iam sure Nergevin would tinker ..
Maybe one sharp shooter for another something like a …Caulfield and Metes as a deal ..
All Iam saying is that a guys like Bergevin would make this happen ..and I think he wants something like this and would be the biggest risk taker to create a deal !
But never count out Lou Lamirello either ..LOL
IMO …Cheers
If I’m the Jets, I’m looking at every proposal. I pass on the that Habs offer as its not very good.
Laine to Montreal would look more like, Domi, Chariot, Caufield, a 1st rder & a 2nd rder in this years draft.
They certainly won’t get him for what Pat Hickey said it would cost. *PIPE DREAM*
I am a Habs fan and have been for 65 years But no way Montreal gets Laine for 2nd hand players and Mete isn’t an NHL player. The Jets have a lot more talent than Mete in their pipeline(skill and size) of young defensemen. 2nd line centre most likely Suzuki and Petry plus Montreal 1st and 2nd in 2020 and 1st in 2021. Montreal will not want to do the trade so why talk about Montreal as a trade partner. This is trade talk of course and it always ends up with a team not wanting quality for another teams best players and so the Hudons, Metes, Kulak, Domis, Drouins and even Caufields are pipe dreams for a player like Laine
Hickey’s idea of a trade for Laine is embarrassing. I’m a Habs fan, love Pat Hickey, but this suggestion sucks. I pass on the Jet’s behalf. Raymond made a much better suggestion but I think it is too much. Suzuki is untouchable at this stage. Any inclusion of the 2020 1st is %100 a draft day deal; no clue who will be available.
I don’t see the Jets moving Laine mainly because I don’t think they’ll get an offer they’ll really like. Think Hall for Larsson (subtract the Chiarelli factor). Teams know the Jets need a 2C and any form of skilled defense. Laine, like Hall is a skilled winger with some question marks; though I admittedly think Laine has a higher ceiling.
Wouldn’t mind seeing Treliving swing for the fences with an offer on Laine at about $ for $ and still take a run at the UFA’s as mentioned. Thinking Backlund (good 2-way 2C with flashes of offensive pop) and Hanifin (top-4 D still with development potential) for Laine. Both teams fill some areas of need.
And before everyone crashes the party. I don’t think either team actually makes that trade. Winnipeg likely feels they need more in the return and Calgary would have to rely on Bennett or Lindholm to fill the 2C role.
Hanifin no go. Their backend needs help. Giordano back half of back nine. Brodie and Hamonic May walk
Absolutely SilverSeven, but Hanifin is prone to cough-ups and is at a point where his perceived value seems to exceed his actual value; so if they can capitalize on that now it may be of benefit. He has admittedly played better with Andersson than he did with Hamonic so I am certainly not against keeping him and seeing if they make a future top pairing.
@ SCJ
Laine I think as a pure goal scorer higher ceiling but all around player I don’t see him better than Hall ..sure Laine may score 60 one day ..but a Hart Trophy winner on a team that has nobody like Hall did .. I am not so sure ..but never know
..Cheers – take care
Definitely made Edm. look bad in that first season, winning the Hart. Played a little above what seems to be his typical ceiling that year.
Laine did seem to have some nice development on the defensive side of the puck this year based on some Wpg. fan’s comments I’ve seen. I think the biggest criticism on him is consistency of effort.
Laine has scored the 7th most goals in the NHL since he’s been drafted. That’s going to cost you in terms of a trade and his next contract.
I believe The GM in WPG has gone on record saying they’re not a UFA destination and will have to upgrade via trade.
If MTL wants Laine they’re going to have to pay now in top end players and high picks.
Drouin has little trade value. Same with Mete. Jets need 2C and D…is Domi a 2C or 3C? He’s going to want big bucks on his new deal…$5M?
Do they have any expendable D in MTL? They just resigned Petry and Edmunson and have Webber and Romanov. If WPG wanted Chiarot they could have re-signed him while he was there.
I’m not sure MTL has the ponies to enter this race…
Canes and Hab trade options above would improve the Jets. Their needs outway what Laine brings imho. The issue for me is Wheeler’s age and when he retires that hole left if they do trade Laine
Hey Lyle keep up the good work. You are my read every morning. With all the chatter about the expansion draft, I was wondering if there is an article out there that summarizes all the side deals made for the LV expansion draft. I would find it interesting seeing how the deals look now. If not maybe that is an project you might want to tackle lol
See the link for an article with the context of Seattle being able to pull off what Las Vegas did. There is a nice chart of the Knights’ side deals that is only missing what happened with the pile of draft picks they raked in.
https://www.cascadiasn.com/blog/8-11-2020/why-seattle-kraken-will-match-vegas-expansion-trades?format=amp
Hey, Slash. This article should help: https://nhltoseattle.com/2020/01/27/the-anatomy-of-an-expansion-draft/
Thanks!
A first rounder for Keumper is a joke … same for Matt Murray … ridiculous …. none of those proposals make sense for the Jets but they are good starting points … Rutherford is getting senile …
Ed,
Couldnt agree more.
Rutherford must add a sweetener or package Murray with a pick or maybe McCann or simon..to get a better return..I do believe Murray will have a chip on his shoulder and will play well wherever he lands.
One of the New York papers, I believe it’s Newsday has speculated that the Islanders could offer Jordan Eberle, Devon Toews or Noah Dobson and Oliver Wahlstrom.Laine would be a tremendous help, especially on the Power Play and would give Barzal the kind of Winger that Tavares never had
Hey Joe,
As a Isles fan I would do that deal in a New York minute. Toews is a nice player and Eberle is streaky Wahlstrom is a prospect who knows, with prospects? Laine is the real deal young fast and proven goal scorer Lou if you can make it happen don’t hesitate. I would think they would want Leddy over Toews either way done deal.
Prayers out for that guy George o we are all old and crappy but we need our loved ones to be healthy hope your family is doing better. Cheers.
I would give Leddy in that deal
I was recently informed by Lyle through e-mail that some have been asking where I’ve gotten to lately (maybe even wondering if “the crabby old bugger had croaked.”). Many thanks for the concern but no … still kicking 🙂
As I said to Lyle, I just decided it was time to step away. One reason being that, I have always been encumbered with a short fuse and it seems that hasn’t mellowed since entering the so-called “Golden Years” (what an utter crock THAT is). And in recent weeks that fault hasn’t been helped with the feeling of helplessness following the knowledge that my wife of 59 years is experiencing serious health issues at a time when everyday life is adversely affected by this damned pandemic (that’s not her issue). That short fuse tendency came out indelibly a week or so back when I fired a caustic response to a certain Leafs fan who seems to take special objection to whatever I post about that team (which, in my defense, I only do when they are one of the topics of the day – which is often – or when someone else brings them up in a discussion) – while at the same time totally ignoring other often snarky, insulting Leafs comments (which I never resort to).
I suppose I should be flattered that he thinks my comments on the team are worthy of special attention, but I just think it would be best for the site if I backed off and allowed Leafs fans only to comment negatively or positively on their operation.
Stay safe everyone.
From one crabby old bugger to another, best wishes to you and your wife, George. That’s a way more important issue than nattering away with the rest of us about what we would do if we had the job we don’t now have and never will.
I’m sorry about the misses George. Not really a prayin man but thoughts with her.
I’m glad you didn’t bust out the Twain quote for the umteenth time.
George I hope your wife can get beyond her health issues. Best of luck. I’m an old bugger as well.
George , I also live in Ottawa , west end. If you need help with anything during these trying times don’t be shy to ask, I will help if I can. You can get my contact info ( email ) from Lyle if you need to reach me.
As a lurker for many years, I have enjoyed your perspective on many hockey issues. I can fully understand the need to step back.
There things in life that are worth all our time, the love of your life being one of them.
Take care and stay safe.
Hi George, hoping your wife is doing better.
I’ve done the same in the pass, stepped away for a bit, as i review some of my replies as it got more political and it wasn’t the person I wanted to be.
I will say don’t like someone else take away your joy.
Don’t give someone the satisfaction that their comment is going to impact your day.
Unfortunately over time the site has lost some good posters do to some back and forth banter. This isn’t to say these folks weren’t part of the banter, as they were.
They not a single poster on here that I’ve agreed with 100% of the time and that is vice versa, and sometimes the replies can be a little immature, or nasty.
In the end i personally don’t know anyone on here so I don’t take the personal comments personal.
For the most part I don’t remember what I posted yesterday so I’m certainly not going to remember the reply.
Stay safe, be happy, your wife is in my thoughts for a speedy recovery and hope to disagree with you again soon.
Glad to hear from you George. My wife has faced too many serious health issues for the past 14 months or so, but it looks like she (finally) came out of it OK. I wish nothing but the best for yours. As far as being old and crabby, I get that way myself sometimes. I blame it on my TOTAS disease – Too Old To Accept Stupid. I had to retire a few years ago because of it.
Only been posting for a few months, lurked on the comments for a while before that and generally enjoy your posts; even when I don’t agree. Unlike some of that group of people who can only post bombastic nonsense replies, your posts are typically well reasoned and explained, so hopefully we see you back when you’re up to it.
More importantly, thoughts out to your wife and yourself. 59 years is a long time together. Take care of her and I’ll make sure people know that Ottawa doesn’t want their trash contracts for draft picks.
Hi George
I’m so very sorry to hear about your wife
Thoughts and prayers for quick and full turnaround for her
Persnickety, crotchety, acerbic; cantankerous …. are “gifted” qualities we all have in us to spur on our more affable traits… our Jekyll and Hyde so to speak
Best out to you and Mrs. George
Pengy the Good and Pengy the Evil
i read here everyday and like your comments and fire–don’t lose it–its what keeps us going somedays
Hey George sending you best wishes and regards to you and especially for your wife! I hope that she fully recovers from her ailments and you both see better days ahead! ..Hunter
Hi George thinking of you and your family . I do hope you wife makes it though this battle . I do not post often but enjoy ready your knowledgeable comments daily . I hope when the time is right you will return with you great insight to this great web site . Thanks Jim
Hi George, sure hope all is going to get better, going through the same with my wife.
May seem like a flippant comment but its not, talk to your doctor and both of you get your vitamin d levels checked out and boost them even if they are ‘ok’.
Getting used to saying prayers in my older age but one is going out to you both George.
You think the Flower and DeBoer can co-exist in LV? MAF made his own bed with that tweet. He’s a goner imo. He’ll be putting on different sweater next season. And don’t tell he wasn’t aware of the tweet. Oh yeah, that was his agent being “protective”? Whatever.
As a Devils fan, I’d rather pay less, and get Ehlers.
Hey Goerge ..
LEAFS SUCK BALLS!
LOL
From a Leafs fan as you well know…..LOL
Its a good time to be a Sens fan thats for sure …its all good just enjoy the conversation ..Iam always of the belief here that this is a place to ENJOY hockey conversation..and anything can really be a topic as crazy things have happened over the years …
players are either over valued and or undervalued in the real world but craziness happens ..and it beats logic…
so just enjoy the RESPECTFUL banter …and we will nick name you Mr Burns and move on..!
LMAO
hope your family gets well…and I wish you all the best ..
Pengy! That’s the most negative thing gmjr ever said about jj! Bust out the champagne 🍾!
Step in the right direction …. like Richard Dreyfus to Bill Murray in What About Bob (love that movie BTW) … “Baby steps”
George, hope your wife gets well. Good to hear from you. I, as well as others, thought it was strange we hadn’t t heard from you in awhile. Glad there’s nothing wrong, but I wouldn’t let any disagreements keep you from posting. We’ve all had our moments, but still one of the most civil sites around. A lot of Ottawa talk lately!
George….best wishes for a rapid recovery for your wife.
NJ would be crazy not to pursue Laine. Severson, Boqvist, Foote, and the 20th pick in this year‘s 1st rd would be a nice haul for Winnipeg, which I think they’d have a hard time turning down. Devils are set down the middle and adding a young gun on the wing will give them a trio of young stars they’ll build around for next decade.
Re “ They’ll have to shed salary and Fleury would be the most likely trade candidate. ”
Agree they need to Shed Sal but disagree that MAF is most likely trade candidate
Cap hit with two years… not anywhere near as easy to move as Statsny
Statsny… can be 3C on many teams and move up to 2C with any injuries when needed
Lower Cap hit (than MAF) … and $1M less in cash; AND most importantly… only one year left… could be mived without retention
For VGKs… Statsny out; Glass in nets over $5.5 M in Cap
MAF would either need to be bought out or maybe 50% retained… with retained or buyout Cap still on books; plus Lehner; plus getting a UFA back up to Lehner …, that’s $11M to $12M in Cap; and Statsny still in… why not Statsny out; Glass in ; and $12M cap on the two goalies ALREADY on the roster?
Move Statsny ; Glass in; freed up space… Lehner…. if need be… can still move MAF at TDL or after season; or buyout next June
Can’t ignore that the Flower is a fan fav
Note… I’m not disregarding their need for another RHD; just rationalizing that Statsny move is more viable and prudent
All the best, George, welcome back.
I’m surprised that more trades haven’t happened to this point but look forward to a crazy month after the Final. Laine will definitely be a target but it will take a perfect fit for him to move. Not sure that’s out there.
As a Leaf fan, I expect their first round pick from Pittsburgh will be used as part of a trade to bring a right-shot defence man to Toronto. A guy that impressed me from Columbus is David Savard but CBJ may want too much for him. Their blueline is really solid but they need scorers.
George, the Leafs signed an Ottawa guy yesterday, name of McLean. You may remember him. Cheers!
MANY thanks for kind thoughts guys. One day at a time. And thanks, Fergy, for the offer – I have a big family in the region and so lots of help if needed. So far – so good. And Chrisms, I thought about dusting off that old Mark Twain quote one more time …. but nah.
BCLeafFan, I saw that Paul McLean signing. Always enjoyed the guy’s post game scrums – he has a great sense of humour – and was sorry when the Sens cut ties. He’s a good addition to the staff.
Slick62, there indeed has been a lot of chatter about the Sens lately, recently highlighted by news that they are buying out Bobby Ryan (a bit of a surprise with two years to go … but understandable given where the team sits in the re-build). With that factored in, CapFriendly shows them with $38,237,500 commited to just 9 players, leaving $43,262,500 to sign 14. The RFAs most likely to be re-signed are Connor Bown ($2.1 mil), Chris Tierney ($2,937,500), Nicolas Paul ($750,000), Anthony Duclair ($1,650,000) and Rudolf s Balcers ($759,167). Collectvely, they accounted for $8,196,667 off the cap this past season, and when all is settled it will probably be closer to $12 mil. That would reduce their cap space to just over $31 mil with 14 signed and 9 to go. They will likely not qualify RFAs Andreas Englund and Jayce Hawryluk, and will wave bye to UFAs Matthew Peca, Mark Borowiecki, Crag Anderson, Scott Sabourin and Ron Hainsey.
Penciled in to make the team are C Joshua Norris, C Logan Brown, LW Alex Formenton, RW Drake Batherson, D Artem Zib, and D Eric Brannstrom whose ELCs will account for $5,060,832 bringing the total signed to 20 and leaving some $26 mil to sign 3.
To this point I had not thought they’d bother bringing in an experienced goalie, given their depth there and the reports that Nilsson had recovered from his concussion issues. Now, however, we hear conflicting news. Including that he hasn’t even resumed skating in Sweden. So, if there is concern there I can see Dorion either looking at a UFA goalie on a short term basis, or perhaps trading for one (but I do NOT think it will be Murray – no point in going there since the whole purpose would be to relieve the concerns over an injury, given Murray’s hostory – there are simply just too many other options). If they do go down that road, and it’s for a goalie who can play the bulk of the games as # 1, you’re probably looking at at least a $3 to $4 mil cap hit on a short-term basis – unless he can land a Kuemper).
Now they’re down to 2 to sign with $22 or $23 mil still in the bank. And here’s where Dorion can really get down to brass tacks in trade dealings with teams that must clear cap space by offering up that 28th pick and whatever it takes from his 4 2nd round picks plus perhaps a prospect for a good F and a good D costing in the vicinity of $8 to $10 mil combined off the cap. He might even deal for another F and drop someone like Balcers to the AHL.
Whatever transpires the fun will be in the watching … and then critiquing after the fact.
I’m sincerely glad that you’re well, George.
I am a praying man and given the fact that I have nothing else to offer you and your wife, I will start, and then double down on my prayers for her.
Don’t mind the Leaf kids. They’re aggressive and extremely assertive with their opinions, but weren’t most of us at that age?
With age comes wisdom. Or at least I like to think so.
Be well and don’t waste any precious time with your wife.
Andy
George, glad to hear you are ok, hope your wife regains her health completely. If you decide to retire from this site you will be missed. I became a fan of this site because of the well thought out discourse of members like you.
George ,
Best to you and your wife. You are in my thoughts and prayers.
You are by far my favorite poster on here!
Re:
“ Rutherford also said Jack Johnson will have to compete for the sixth defenseman’s role, and he doesn’t plan to be active in the free-agent market.
SPECTOR’S NOTE: If Johnson doesn’t nail down that role he could be shopped or demoted, with the latter the most likely option.”
Needs to compete for… WTF…. his two year interview and 15 year resume shows that he is the worst (highest negative impact on team and teammates) impact playEr in NHL history
He is so far behind everybody its ridiculously insane
GMJR has been told to save costs and stay competitive
If he is telling the truth (which Jimbo very very rarely does) about competing for 3LD… all know he won’t win it… so either he’s paid to be in press box and still costs $3M cash and $3.25 M cap; or he’s buried to WBS… still costing Pens $3M cash and still showing as $2.2 M against Pens Cap
The right choice is a buyout…. with roster replacement of Czuzman or Pierre Olivier Joseph…. NET cash AND Cap savings in 20/21 of $1.4M … team younger; waaaay faster; leaps and bounds better; all Pens stats massively improve
Compete for 3LD??? WTF????
This, only weeks after he blamed the loss to Habs on absolutely everyone BUT #3…. the venomous and ridiculous words out of GMJR’s gob ????
Pens need another RHD… buy #3 out and use the $2.1 M cash and Cap savings for a reasonable UFA RHD contract
Tanger/Dumo
Marion/*Matheson
**UFA 3RD or **Riikola/ *Pettersson
7th… Riikola if they get a UFA 3RD… if not and Riikola is 3RD…. 7th is Czusczman or Pierre Olivier Joseph
*interchangeable perhaps at 2LD… I personally think the chemistry between Marino and Pettersson is finally on the upswing but Jimbo seemed to hint at Matheson as 2LD
**Riikola can ; and has; play/played RHD (he’s a leftie)
If Jimbo is not going UFA… it must be Riikola… under no circumstances can it be #2!!
Jimbo… stop driving this franchise under water
since GMJR and Guerin are still buddies why not
to PITT: Dumba & a signed autograph from Gurein to GMJR with love
to MIN: Murray, JJ & Rust
Pitt clears space…stops playing games with waiting on moving JJ….keeps the cap and can sign Anderson (formerly OTT) as backup or just sign some college goalies to play AHL and bring up DeSmith
Dumba aides the right side
Minny loses a top 4 RD but gets a goalie they like and Rust who can improve their top 6. MIN can trade Dubnyk for draft picks or other needs.
Plenty of free agent Dmen and cap strapped teams.
reasonable??
Hi IHC
Exceedingly reasonable for Pens…. can’t see it all from Minn
I know Billy G completely fleeced Jimbo into retaining Max on Bjug and not giving up anything… but he’s not going to feel guilty enough to do that deal
If Dumba coming and the give from Pens is MM JJ Rusty…. then Billy G will insist on Dooby and/Or Rask being moved as well
Billy G won’t want to have $10 M in goalies… he might do MM/Stalock
DeSmith down …. TJ/Dooby …. Dooby 1 more year at $4.3 M…. would be cheaper than MM re-up but older and not as good as MM
If he suggests BOTH Rask and Donny must come over…. can’t fit that in Cap wise
I’d love Dumba to be on Pens… that boots Marino to 3rd
JJ and Rusty …. $6.75 M cap
Dumba/Dooby…. $10.3 M
That’s a deficit of $3.6 M in Cap
Buyout JJ
MM & Rusty for Dumba
Depth forward at League min
Pens net increase $$1.25 M in Cap
Maybe the Leaf s should offer a contract to chara
Lol. Now knock that off before it even starts.
Rask trade talk surfaced again today on a Boston site the Bruins seem to be targeting teams that are close to a SC … Avalanche are one team
reminds me of blozak–i mean bozak on tml
worst plus minus player in 100 yrs–true stat–it was obvious he was garbage
Re Pens
Just heard (both Rossi and Yohe) that GMJR is not actively seeking to move Rusty but that he’s all ears wrt any offers and Yohe hinted that the needle may move for GMJR if the offer is a prospect that will start in the NHL in 20/21 PLUS another A level prospect
If that’s the case…, why not parlay MM and JJ in the deal…
Rusty + MM + JJ for a RHD that is ready to start in the NHL
… say a 21 or 22 year old RHD ready to make the jump… and that would fill Pens 3RD spot?
…. Or…. Rusty is from Pontiac…. would Stevie Y budge on:
Rusty + MM + JJ for Maddison Bowey ?
Would Kevyn Adams part with those three for Montour (if not, what needs to be added?)
Or would he be looking at Hutton also coming over in a Sabres’ deal??
Would Waddell do
Rusty + MM + JJ
For
Foegel ; McKeown ; Reimer??
look up… i proposed
to MIN: MM , Rust & JJ
to Pitt: Dumba
Hi IHC
Look up… I responded … LOL
Exactly what Minnesota needs … more 💩 contracts!
Broken record, and I do understand that two of these players don’t have a contract, but will require pretty good chunks of cash…. how often do we see trades like that these days?
Murray’s contract replaces Dubnyk as they trade him off.
JJ replaces Dumba’s contract (mine buries him in the minors anyway perhaps)
Rust replaces Galchenyuk (cheaper)
even swap
Pitts clears roster spot by 1 ..Rust… along with $$cap room
Dumba takes JJ’s roster spot but Pitt can trade McCann or extra D or Ruhwedel to minors. Also letting Schutlz go.
To your point…correct…NEVER see these… but that is the fun of a Rumor/speculation website 🙂
I just don’t get the idea of fun when speculating the impossible or improbable. I don’t really do the trade proposal thing. Usually when I do it’s in jest.
I do find it refreshing when someone puts something out there that is feasible. But I’d say for every 1 of those there are 1,000,000 of the impossible. To me it seems like wasted energy to talk about things that will never happen.
Cheers either way.
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Rangers just moved Staal and a 2nd (‘21) to Stevie Y for future consids
Now we get to see these contracts starting to move and the price paid… 2nd
That’s a steal for Stevie Y… vet D … max he has to pay is Only $3.2 M …. can be moved at TDL…. Wings gain a 2nd
No that’s not a steel at all. It’s actually a bit of a joke.
Why take on that contract for basically a useless Dman way past his prime for anything less than a first?
The last thing the Rangers deserve is a dummy taking on a bad contract for a measly 2nd.
How many free outs have LA got? Mike Richards…. Stoll .
Save your last thing Rangers deserve crap!
And somehow Dubas still has a job
George my handle is a tribute to the true hockey fan to which you are one. I am sure you know the reference. Many wouldn’t… Best wishes.
Silver Seven era (1903–1906) – Ottawa HC played in the first season during which the Stanley Cup was challenged in 1893, and first won the Cup in 1903, holding the championship until 1906 (the Silver Seven years). The club repeated its success in the 1920s, winning the Stanley Cup in 1920, 1921, 1923 and 1927 (the Super Six years).
From a HABS perspective Laine is NOT Gretzky and NOT Lemeau – and the asking price is NOT of any interest….. hopefully.