NHL Rumor Mill – October 2, 2020

by | Oct 2, 2020 | Rumors | 69 comments

A look at TSN’s updated trade-bait board in today’s NHL rumor.

TSN: Frank Seravalli updated and expanded his trade-bait board. Arizona Coyotes defenseman Oliver Ekman-Larsson, Winnipeg Jets winger Patrik Laine, Minnesota Wild defenseman Matt Dumba, Pittsburgh Penguins goaltender Matt Murray and Vegas Golden Knights’ netminder Marc-Andre Fleury now sit in the top five.

Arizona Coyotes captain Oliver Ekman-Larsson (NHL Images).

SPECTOR’S NOTE: Seravalli’s colleague Darren Dreger reports Ekman-Larsson is willing to waive his no-movement clause for the Bruins and Vancouver Canucks and Coyotes general manager Bill Armstrong is talking with both clubs hoping to work out a deal. Dreger believes the Coyotes will either have to retain some of Ekman-Larsson’s $8.25-million annual average value or they’ll have to take back some contracts in return.

The Coyotes lack a first-round pick for this year and next year, but the Bruins and Canucks don’t have first-round picks in this year’s draft. The Province’s Patrick Johnston suggested Canucks GM Jim Benning offer up Loui Eriksson, who has two years left on his contract at $6 million AAV, as part of the return. Eriksson’s only being paid $5 million in actual salary over those two years. However, the Coyotes could be on his 15-team no-trade list.

Acquiring Ekman-Larsson would allow the Bruins to replace Torey Krug, who’s expected to depart via free agency next Friday. If the Coyotes aren’t willing to pick up part of his cap hit, the Bruins will have to give up something worthwhile while freeing up some additional cap space to absorb Ekman-Larsson’s contract.

Turning to Murray, Seravalli noted the Edmonton Oilers were linked to him. With free agency looming, he said many observers are wondering if they might set their sights on Vancouver’s Jacob Markstrom.

Columbus Blue Jackets winger Josh Anderson, Bruins winger Jake DeBrusk, the Ottawa Senators’ second-round picks, Canucks winger Jake Virtanen and Bruins goalie Tuukka Rask round out the top ten.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: Seravalli said there were rumors the Oilers had an interest in DeBrusk but their cap constraints likely make him too expensive. He’s a restricted free agent coming off his entry-level contract. Maybe he becomes part of the Bruins’ package offer for Ekman-Larsson?

As for Rask, Seravalli cites multiple sources claiming Bruins GM Don Sweeney has been gauging the goalie’s value in the trade market. He’s got a year left on his contract ($7 million AAV) with a 15-team trade list. If he trades Rask, however, he’ll have to find a suitable replacement via trade or free agency. While both markets are flooded with goaltenders, that doesn’t mean Sweeney is guaranteed to land an upgrade over Rask.

Florida Panthers defenseman Keith Yandle, Tampa Bay Lightning forwards Yanni Gourde, Tyler Johnson and Alex Killorn and Wild forward Ryan Donato come in at 11 to 15.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: The Lightning must shed salary to re-sign Anthony Cirelli and Mikhail Sergachev. Gourde and Johnson have full no-trade clauses while Killorn has a 16-team no-trade list.

New York Rangers center Ryan Strome, St. Louis Blues defenseman Alex Pietrangelo, Toronto Maple Leafs forward Andreas Johnsson, and Blue Jackets goalies Elvis Merzlikins and Joonas Korpisalo fill spots 16 to 20.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: There’s speculation the Blues could attempt to trade Pietrangelo’s rights if the two sides fail to hammer out a new contract before the UFA market opens next Friday. The Jackets could be open to moving one of their goalies, either to free up cap room or perhaps in a package deal for a scoring forward.

Coyotes goalie Darcy Kuemper, Calgary Flames defenseman Noah Hanifin, Leafs goalie Frederik Andersen and Chicago Blackhawks winger Brandon Saad fill spots 21 to 24.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: The Kuemper trade chatter has cooled in recent days as the Coyotes shift their focus on trade Ekman-Larsson. It’s now believed they prefer to retain him. Hanifin recently surfaced in the rumor mill when Sportsnet’s Elliotte Friedman mentioned his name came up during the Flames discussions with the New Jersey Devils last fall about Taylor Hall. Hanifin might not be available if the Flames let TJ Brodie and Travis Hamonic depart next week as free agents.

Nashville Predators forwards Matt Duchene, Ryan Johansen and Nick Bonino, Carolina Hurricanes defenseman Brady Skjei, Montreal Canadiens center Max Domi and Philadelphia Flyers defenseman Shayne Gostisbehere complete spots 25 to 30.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: Seravalli said the lack of quality centers in this year’s free-agent market has the Predators believed to be seeking opportunities to move one of theirs. I’m guessing GM David Poile would like to bring in a scoring winger in return or to free up the cap room to pursue one via free agency. Poile would love to move Kyle Turris but the four years remaining on his contract at $6 million per season makes that almost impossible.

I’m not convinced the Hurricanes are keen to move Skjei after acquiring him at the February trade deadline. Domi and Gostisbehere have been fixtures in the rumor mill for some time. Speaking of the Canadiens, Pierre LeBrun said they’re willing to move their first-round pick (16th overall) in this year’s draft for the right return. He indicated they’re in the market for a top-six forward.

New Jersey Devils winger Kyle Palmieri, Canadiens center Phillip Danault, New York Islanders defenseman Johnny Boychuk, Canucks center Brandon Sutter and Blues winger Jaden Schwartz are in spots 31 to 35.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: We’re reaching the spot in the list where there are players who could be traded, but various factors likely work against it. For example, I don’t believe the Canadiens intend to trade Danault. While centers Nick Suzuki and Jesperi Kotkaniemi could become the Habs top-two centers next season, they’ll need Danault’s skill and experience in case one or both of those youngsters struggle or become sidelined. Maybe that move takes place at next season’s trade deadline. Not now.

Blues center Tyler Bozak, the Golden Knights’ Jonathan Marchessault, Alec Martinez and Paul Stastny, and Coyotes winger Phil Kessel fill spots 36 to 40.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: Marchessault, Martinez or Stastny could become a cap casualty if the Golden Knights need to shed salary to re-sign Lehner or pursue a big-ticket free agent like Pietrangelo. That’s assuming they can’t find any takers for Fleury.

Edmonton’s Kris Russell, Carolina’s Vincent Trocheck, Columbus’ Alexander Wennberg, Buffalo Sabres defenseman Brandon Montour, the Rangers’ Tony DeAngelo, Edmonton Evan Bouchard, Minnesota’s Devan Dubnyk, San Jose’s Martin Jones, Carolina’s Dougie Hamilton and Florida’s Sergei Bobrovsky round out the bottom ten.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: Seravalli wonders if Bobrovsky’s contract is the NHL’s most unmovable. Bill Zito, the Panthers new GM, should become the front-runner for GM of the Year if he can trade that contract.







69 Comments

  1. If I’m Bergevin, I’m inquiring about Marchessault. A RW who can provide offense. Signed for 4 more years at a reasonable cap hit. Just what the Habs need. And a Quebecer. Okay, he’s not that big but would still be a good pick up.

    • I like Marchessault as a player and his contract is good value, but he doesn’t help Montreal’s size on the wings. I think Montreal would be looking for someone like Chris Kreider more than Marchessault. I know Kreider isn’t expected to move, just giving an example of the type of forward Montreal is probably targeting.

      • They might have had Brady Tkachuk had Bergeven not decided to go off the board at # 3 in 2018 and taken Kotkaniemi instead. Put it this way – does anyone think he wouldn’t trade Kotkaniemi even up right now for Tkachuk, who went 4th?

        All of which has me wondering if we might see some GM “go off the board” somewhere between 1 and 6 this year?

      • Wow you make It sound like they have proven to be something more than the potential of being just an above average player…. over rate your players much? I recall the songs of praise for Mete and when they traded for Drouin over Sergachyov. LOL

      • George. Steve Y went off board last year with Seider at 5. Could surprise this year with 4th pick. Biggest surprise will be if Gorton trades #1

      • Would it ever Slick62. But I just don’t see that happening. What would shock me is to see Yzerman take the plunge on Askerov at # 4. That would have repercussions right down to about # 10

      • Put me down for Alex Tuch. Had an off season but bounced back in the playoffs. 6′ 4″ 220pds — just the size MTL needs in its diminutive forward corps.

        George, Brady is the real deal but everyone knew he would be at draft time. Bergy didn’t underestimate him; as you know, the Habs quest for a center was hockey’s version of Ahab and the white whale. Indeed, since 2014 the Habs have drafted 16 centers – the “no one trades # 1 centers” is the oldest cliche in hockey.

        It has been better luck than expected that Danault has blossomed and Suzuki has accelerated in his development.

        Would Bergy have picked Brady if he knew then he would have strength at center by now. Sure, but …. you know …

      • I got your point. It would be bad idea to take Kreider unless your goal is to injured several goalies. Remember he’s so fast for his size, that’s why he can’t stop.
        If Canadiens need a big winger, they should talk to Columbus, maybe they can make a deal.

  2. Wow no comments All I can say is this that the next couple of weeks will be the most active ever with players changing teams at an alarming pace that we have never seen. So everybody fasten your seatbelts and enjoy the ride!!!!

    • Leo, look for it to start sometime between now and Monday as the more notorious “early birds” get moving. I have a feeling we’ll be discussing several big moves over the weekend. Gear up, Lyle, and plan breakfasts early so the board can get active early. 🙂 🙂

      • As a matter of fact, Ottawa just dealt a 4th round pick to Florida for RFA 6′ 5″ 220-lb RD Joshua Brown who’s coming off a $675,000 ELC with arbitration rights. Probably a precursor to other moves over the next few days.

  3. As a Bruins fan I’m a bit wary of trading for OEL but excited by the idea at the same time.

    His cap hit is a bit higher than I’d prefer, but the contract ends when he is 35 so won’t be paying him through declining years. I doubt Arizona is going to be willing to retain any salary.

    Word is Arizona wants a first round pick and solid defensive prospect in return.

    From Boston that would have to be a 2021 pick (2020 traded with Backes for Kase). The defensive prospect would likely be Urho Vaakanainen. If I’m the Bruins I try to add in John Moore for cap reasons.

    To Arizona: 2021 1st Round Pick
    Urho Vaakanainen
    John Moore

    To Boston: OEL
    Perhaps a later round pick.

    OEL replaces Krug on the power play, but is otherwise a bigger, stronger and better defenseman as well. Subtracting the proposed contract to Krug ($6.5M cap hit) and Moore’s hit ($2.75M) would actually give Bruins a little extra cap space.

    The window for Bergeron, Marchand, Krejci is getting smaller. I think this trade improves the Bruins for the next few years.

    • Pretty sure they are moving OEL to clear room and taking Moore does not seem in their best interest to free up $$$$.

      I understand Moore to arz froma boston perspective to alleviate cap room but that wouldn’t be ARZ’s problem. They are better keeping OEL than taking on Moore in the deal and looking for alternatives.

      if you involve a 3rd team to take more for a back of pucks then I can see that happening.

      • My thinking was that Moore is still considerably cheaper than OEL, is a serviceable defenseman and they still need to pay somebody to play defense in Arizona.

        Arizona is also a little bit handcuffed in that OEL is only willing to go to 2 teams.

        Moore’s cap hit and salary are equal though, I’m sure they’d rather someone with a $3M cap hit and far less in actual salary.

      • Maybe Montreal can be the 3rd team involved with Vancouver. Montreal’s 16th pick and Boeser being the starting point of the trade. Montreal also has a few young defensemen to dangle.

    • DM interesting proposal but I think it will take more then that deal to get it done.

      Arizona wants to move out money and reported that Tocchet and OEL don’t get along

      Arizona isn’t in a position of strength because lots of $$ and term.

      I agree adding Moore makes sense because Arizona needs to take something back with Moore salary under $3m, this is easily doable from Arizona side.

      My questio is what else has to go to Arizona. I think it would have to be JD or Carlo.

      • In a pure hockey trade I agree that Boston needs to add, especially if Arizona has several teams bidding against each other.

        This is at least partially a salary dump, and only 2 teams are in the bidding.

    • That doesn’t seem unreasonable DM. I am struggling with the whole idea of OEL to BOS.
      He is an upgrade over Krug and the B’s will be a better team on the blue line than last year IMO.
      But the B’s window is not only short, it is close to over.
      I luv Bergy and Krecji, but 35 yr old players don’t get better, they slow down. They will still be a 1 line team, just older.
      The B’s ownership businesses are hurting, not like they are flush right now. Is this a good business move for them considering the above?

      If the Yotes have to get rid of OEL for financial reasons, the B’s hold all the cards. They have some space and I don’t think they are in risk of going broke.
      VAN has their own cap problems and would need to move Louie plus other moves.
      Or walk from Markstrom plus more moves.
      Can they do that?
      So if I am Sweeney, unless you get him for sweet FA, you wait and if he goes elsewhere or ARI clears $$ another way, then so be it.
      I don’t think signing OEL makes them more of a contender than they were last year due to the age of their core forwards.

    • I am not opposed to the trade. For everyone saying that he is not an upgrade over Krug, I believe you are wrong. OEL plays key minutes on a mostly terrible team) game in and game out. Krug plays PP and never the hard minutes.

      Do I like Krug, sure do, but he is one dimensional and I believe the reported 6.5 was too much to pay him.

      To ma to make this happen Moore has to be part of the deal (he is not terrible, just doesn’t fit the Bruins style). I also think that a Dman (not named VAKK) has to be part of the package simply because we can not protect them all come the expansion draft. At least we could still protect Vakk. Hell I would include Kase or Ritchie as part of it too to free up a roster spot for a scoring winger.

      I dont know what the deal will look like but if we can get him, he would help out our d, and something salary wise has to work in the B’s favor.

      • Agree greatgonzo, OEL is a big upgrade over Krug.

        Oil plays all situations and is a good in his own end.

        Ray, I think OEL would be a welcome addition for a run next year. But I’m hesitant with the length and $$$, Also Boston still need to add some toughness.

    • DoubleMinor, if the Bruins could land Ekman-Larsson it would certainly up their chances at a cup in the next 2 years. But I doubt Arizona is going to take substantial cap back – or withhold any of Ekman-Larsson’s hit – a team wants him? Cough up picks/prospects and see ya (and they sure as Hell ain ‘t taking Ericksson from Vancouver).

      In the meantime, you do realize his deal at $8,250,000 per runs for another 7 years when he’ll be pushing 37, and that he isn’t noted for his stellar D. When does that offense start to dwindle? Would you, as a Bruins fan, be happy with the increased possibility of a cup over possibly being saddled with an albatross in about 4 year?

      Caveat emptor.

      • That is why I am struggling with it George.
        I hate to sound like a downer, but I am not overly optimistic about the B’s chances to hoist a cup again.
        Will they be a playoff team this year and next, I think so.
        Contender? Not so sure.
        OEL is better than Krug, is that enough to push them past a team like TB even with moving some guys like Killorn?
        I don’t think so.
        I would prefer a shorter term fix on the blue line, spend a little more up front, again short term.
        I think there will be deals to be had with UFA’s and RFA’s who don’t get qualified, or arbitration gets rejected by the teams.

    • Agreed DoubleMinor; ARZ is handcuffed but they still don’t have to say yes to taking on Moore lol.

      I know what you were looking at I just do not see them agreeing to taking Moore. Why take on cap or salary that high if they do not HAVE to.

      Rather Rask for this eyar only ( and quality) and then trade Kuemper for picks and not have Moore for next 3 years on the books.

      But all of us armchair GMs run our teams different.

      Good chat 🙂

    • Is Dougie Hamilton genuinely available? No doubt his contract is cheaper than many like Pietrangelo are seeking? With him averaging a trade every 2+ years, being on the market again would be worrisome.

  4. Hannifin has to be untouchable at this stage of the game. Flames going without a defence this year ?

    What about a Laine Ekman-Larsson deal as the basis? If I am The Jets I would want something added. There is a downside risk with OEL and an upside with Laine.

    • Arizona is looking to get out from under OEL’s salary, not looking to add another huge salary.

      Also, OEL has only agreed to waive NTC for Boston or Vancouver.

      • OEL & Kessel to BOS (Kessel comes full circle lol)
        DeBrusk & Rask to ARZ

        Kuemper then can be traded to clear up more long term room and gets some picks back.

        Bos now lets Krug work to git it all under the cap.

      • I think Arizona and Boston’s trading their entire teams is about as realistic as this option.🤪

      • NYR$life…all options are realistic.

        Gretzky traded
        fine dont i wont bring that up

        Brad park and company to Esposito and company
        Lindros to Philly for a bunch
        Hall for Larsson
        heck bad contract for bad contract Lucic for Neal happened
        many examples of players moving lol

        Me throwing in Kessel is a stretch but not OEL for a Rask and Kuemper moving for picks.

        it will be how a GM can balance the flat cap out and still build competitive team.

        If teams can buy out players with 8$ salary and take cap hits then a move like this is NOT as far fetched as you may think.

        Will this combo be the deal… no….but options are out there.

      • Except, IhateCrosby, those moves you mention were either made before the cap was introduced or before the league was saddled with a deadly combination of a flat cap and dwindling revenues with no relief in the foreseeable future. That do make a difference.

      • Most of those trades are way before cap era…. any one of those players… or any player generally can be moved.

        Can OEL AND Kessel be moved in the same deal for Rask and DeBrusk? That’s about as realistic as trading their entire rosters.

        15 million from one team to another is not happening…. especially when Arizona only is bringing back 7 for one year and a rfa.

        It does not happen in the cap era…. ever…..and it’s fun for me to continuously point that out.

      • NRY$life & George O

        yep..agreed not EASY at all especially in cap era let alone with crazy flat cap BUT

        4 years ago cap era if i still remember Seguin for Eriksson….

        similar cap hits at the time…

        merely reflecting $$ trades CAN happen in a cap era…including flat cap….

        Not saying this particular trade proposal WILL but CAN…. subsequent to there moves like a 3rd team taking more…

        Maybe moore does head back to ARZ perhaps another contract..

        From a # perspective Rask and OEL are a near wash in terms of $$. not exact but near.

        Kessel dollars replaces KRug and if moore slides back to AZ all caps $$ fits…. $$ for $$$

        Likely to happen AGREED NO. But never pondering and suggesting is as boring as reading all the nay sayers on every comment on here and never hearing any positive comments come from the peanut gallery that occurs on here.

        Not saying either of you 2 are them…but watch and you’ll see what i see.

        merely speculating options are there if the will is.

      • NYR$life realistically the trade would prob look closer to

        To BOS: OEL & Kessel
        To ARZ: Wagner, Moore, Rask and solid prospect

        ARZ not taking much of value back just to clear long term salary.

        cheers guys..

        always fun reading your opinions gentlemen. 🙂

      • Honestly IHC I can’t remember when two large contracts like OEL and Kessel moved in the same deal to one team.

        Seguin trade included …. 15+ million dollars is NEVER moved in one deal to one team…. literally never in the cap era.

        It has never happened because it’s way too difficult.
        Especially with less than half coming back.

        We may as well discuss breathing under water , walking to the moon or both teams exchanging their entire rosters …. Because they are all as likely as your trade proposal.

    • Can we assume there’s no way Arizona is still trying to keep Hall? I’m guessing OEL isn’t just about saving cap space now, but just not wanting to pay out that contract moving forward. Assuming Jets are also looking to move Laine for same reasons, I doubt they’d take on the older OEL.
      OEL to Rangers? I’m a little torn on this. Currently, they have Smith(1 year left) and Lindgren as their left D. At least 2, maybe 3, solid prospects should be in camp whenever next season starts. Depending on what happens with DeAngelo (negotiations or trade,) Trouba is the only expense on back end. OEL is still a top pair guy. He’s only 3 months older than Panarin. They’re carrying 13 mil in dead cap this year, which drops to a shade over 4 the following season and then just 1 year of 1.5. OEL’s deal has least actual dollars in last 2 years of contract, which make a buyout possible. Rangers have the 22nd pick. Maybe they get Arizona to take last year of Smith back. He’s owed less $ than actual cap hit. Or maybe they retain 1.2 mil?

      • Oel ranked 49th among d-men with 30 points this year. For 8+ per?

        I’d rather re-sign DeAngelo who ranked 4th among dmen this year.

        OEL is not a fit imo.

  5. I don’t see how OEL at 8.5mil + assets is better than Krug at 8mil.

    • That is a fair statement Arnie.

    • Moore is basically a seventh defenseman in Boston, but would be in the top 6 on many teams. His contract isn’t terrible for many teams at $2.75M, but is expensive for a seventh Dman.

      In my mind, Boston ridding themselves of his contract reduces the impact of OELs contract.

      Also, the additional 5″ and 20 pounds that OEL brings to Boston’s defense over Krug would be a welcome addition.

    • Exactly Arnie. Some are being dazzled by the name and past exploits. A defensive juggernaut he ain’t.

  6. The savings would help soften a Krug contract just the same.

    I don’t know much about OEL, he’s bigger yeah but he’s a perennial minus. I know, he’s played on bad teams his whole career, but at some point you have to admit the bad teams consisted of bad players. Plus I don’t think there’s many better PP dmen in the NHL. Or maybe OEL is just really awesome and I just have no idea.

  7. The thought of Boston GM Don Sweeney making trades, drafting or signing free agents is frightening to me …
    See : Ritchie brothers, David Backes, Matt Beleskey, Jimmie Hayes, John Moore

    The 2015 draft historical disaster
    The 2016 draft -Trent Frederic as a 1st round pick bust
    Trading first round picks like candy

    I would rather the Bruins not do anything rather than screw things up again

    • what about Rask & DeBrusk for OEL & Kessel?

    • Wow. Never paid much attention to the details of his decisions – then I read this “On June 26, at the 2015 NHL Entry Draft and in his first major move as GM, Sweeney traded restricted free agent defenceman Dougie Hamilton to the Calgary Flames in exchange for the Draft’s 15th overall pick (used to select Zachary Senyshyn – 6 gp in the NHL) and two second-round draft picks. Shortly after, he traded long-time Bruins forward Milan Lucic to the Los Angeles Kings in exchange for the 13th overall pick (used to select Jakub Zbořil – 2gp in the NHL), Martin Jones (327gp in the NHL – eith San Jose) and Colin Miller (301gp in the NHL – 103 with Boston. Four days later, on June 30, Sweeney then traded Jones to the San Jose Sharks for a first-round pick in 2016 (29th overall, used to select Trent Frederic – 17gp in the NHL 0g 0a – hasn’t done much in the AHL either)”

      Any idea who those 2 2nd round picks in the deal with Calgary turned out to be? Unless they were gems, I can see why you’re apprehensive Tony

      • Yeah the players Boston passed on that year, especially when they went off board with some of their picks, is a definite sore spot.

        The 2 players drafted with those picks were Jakob Forsbacka Karlsson and Jermy Lauzon.

        Lauzon is establishing himself as a solid NHL defenseman. He may have top 4 potential but already solid 3rd pairing dman.

        JFK was billed as the next Patrice Bergeron but so far hasn’t lived up to that hype (and almost certainly won’t). Still a decent prospect but most recently playing in Sweden I believe.

      • B’s should have kept Gorton when they had him. That guy is shrewd.
        Gave the job to Chia instead.
        To clever by half in that draft.
        Zboril was the only one drafted where he was ranked.
        If I recall I think it went Zboril, Barzal, Colin White on most consensus lists.
        I am guessing/hoping experience will help Sweeney like it does most intelligent folks.

      • To be fair, George, trading Lucic was smart. He had one decent season in LA and then has been T U on the bottom of the fish tank since then.

      • Trading Lucic was a great move – and getting a 13th overall even greater – but this isn’t the issue. It’s taking Jakub Zbořil with the pick!

        I know the draft can be a notorious crap shoot … but if the scouting department actually rated Zboril ahead of Barzal (16th), Kyle Connor (17th), Thomas Chabot (18th), Brock Boeser (23rd), Travis Konecny (29th), Anthony Beauvillier (28th) and Sebastian Aho (35th) – or if Sweeney ignored their recommendations and opted for Zboril … well, Geez … something went wrong in the assessment department

  8. I am very surprised that Statsny is so far down the list

    Only 1 year left… cap $6.5 M, cash $5.5 M

    Many teams looking for a 3C… was on track for 82 games nearing 20 G 45 pt pace

    Definitely a plus at 3C for many teams; can certainly step up to 2C if there are injuries; and perhaps a team in need could start him at 2C

    Can be traded to 20 teams w/o his approval

    Knights need room…. Statsny out; Glass in… $5.6 M in Cap savings; team much younger (Glass 14 years younger) and faster,

    Glass will be 2C next year anyway… why not this year?

    If acquiring team falls out of playoff contention… move Statsny at TDL for a minimum of 3rd rounder

    Boz to a lesser extent ($5 M cap) also strange to be on list near the 40th mark

    Boz also only one year left; great on the dot… cap $5 M, cash $4.2 M… also tradable to 20 teams w/o his permission; was on pace for 16 G, 36 pts; Blues also needing to create space

    Boz value also as a tradable asset to acquiring team at TDL… if out of playoff spot

    Both of these players ; because their current teams needing to free up space; should cost *less of an asset than the receiving team will pick up at TDL (if out then and move him)…. a low risk positive addition/acquisition

    *and may come with a sweetener

    So why are both of these players near 40th on the list?

    • Because, realistically, Seravalli knows the chances of anyone taking on either – regardless of how much they cost vis-a-vis the cap hit or how good they are “in the dot” in this age of the flat cap and rapidly dwindling revenues, coupled with more and more teams turning to the better ELC prospects in their systems – rests somewhere between slim and none.

      You gotta stop looking at things like nothing’s changed from a year ago Pengy. It will be a long time before things are back to “normal.”

      • Hi George

        I have taken that all into account. All of it.

        Having those two so far down the list makes no sense; UNLESS TSN has strong belief that neither has a strong possibility of being offered up by their current teams… that I don’t know

        Re from the demand (buyers) side:

        I get long term plans; cap hit; eco times… these are two contracts with at best 82 games (seriously in doubt) and playoffs left

        If they magically get 82 games in AND stay past TDL… after escrow and deferral …. the cash outlay in 20/21 foR Statsny is just shy of $4M and just a tad over $3M for Boz…. again that’s if whole season is played and they keep them

        There are teams that are in need of a 3C and some in search of a 2C for next year… the demand is there; the risk and cost of acquisition of Statsny/Boz is low and they will likely come with sweeteners; AND can be moved at TDL if need be; and get an asset back in return

        If what TSN prognosticates as a possibility (60 game season) comes true; and TDL in around the 40 game mark… the cash outlay in 20/21 drops to shy of $2M (Statsny) and about $1.5 M for Boz

        … and they get a sweetener in the trade. ; and likely a 2nd (Statsny) and 3rd/4th ( Boz)

        Jets?
        Wild?

      • “ ; and likely a 2nd (Statsny) and 3rd/4th ( Boz)”

        was supposed to be followed by… “at TDL”

      • Way too many “ifs” in there for my comfort 🙂

        Any GM banking on that many ifs won’t have his job long.

  9. George

    I like the Sens/Panthers trade

    Low risk low cost acquisition for the big RFA RD from London

    No idea what he was looking for to re-up (and/or get in Arb [if he is eligible]) but obviously more than Panthers could “afford“ or want to pay

    4th rounder… when they have buckets o’ picks to play with…

    The QO is minimal, and if he goes to Arb and gets a great deal more (I’m sure Dorion already has a realistic idea of comparable and therefore tight parameters of Arb award range ) than he’s willing… he can always walk.. out a 4th

    Low risk, low cost, with upside… for a 4th… good on ya Dorion

    • Pengy, this is Dorion’s assessment “Josh Brown is a big, strong defenceman who plays a physical style of game … he’s a defensive defenceman who skates very well and who is exceptionally competitive. He’s also a very good shot blocker who clears a lot of space in front of the net. We’re looking forward to seeing him in our lineup. ”

      A sixth-round pick of the Panthers in 2013, Brown split the 2018-19 season between the NHL and AHL. He had one goal and two points in 37 games with the Panthers and three goals in 22 games with the AHL’s Springfield Thunderbirds.

      No way they walk away from any arb decision – assuming it even goes that far. He’ll come in at around $2.1 mil on a bridge deal and Lord knows, they have the cap space! 🙂

      • Brown is in and Borowiecki and Sabourin out . Brown is a tough kid and can hold his own with the leagues heavyweights. Plays the body and blocks shots , sounds like a younger version of Boro. The interesting thing is Smith had both Brown and Sabourin in Oshawa, I like the loyalty aspect and Smith already knows his attitude.
        One other player who played for Smith as a rookie in Oshawa is Cirelli. I bet he is bending Dorion’s ear to try and figure a way to land him. I can see TBay doing a deal for one of Gourde, Killorn or Cirelli. I am sure Brisebois is reluctant to deal Cirelli but he likely would get very good value back for him as in NYI 1st + a sold prospect on and ELC who can make the line up next season

      • Thanks

        Didn’t know his value… thanks…so basically Panthers doing to save in the range of $1.3 M (what would have paid less league min replacement)… wow

        If his true value is $2M ish…. 4th is a steal… again… kudos to Dorion

        Mario/Ronny would like to know from Eugene; the cost of trading GMs… please advise 🤞🙏

      • low risk. i saw brown this season when he dressed for the panthers. big body. he fought foligno that night and scored a goal.ottawa is going to be a tough team to play, win or lose.

    • This seems like a replacement for Borowiecki. If so, Brown seems to have some upside, and it looks like a very smart move by OTT. The cost was minimal, especially in light of all the picks OTT has anyway.

      • So Panthers, a team that needs to upgrade defense, has now traded 2 dmen. Pietrangelo?

  10. Slick….I think if you want OEL a few things might be in leadership’s mind.

    1. Smith will be gone anyway
    2. Hajek a bust.
    3. K’Andre Miller is too far off to step in within 3 years.
    4. You are dumping guys like Strome or ADA this year and Buch next year to take on the $ & cap hit.
    5. You can find a way to fit his cap under this season with the 13million in dead space.

    Just a few thoughts.

    Personally me…..this move was the move to make few years back instead of 2 2nd rd picks for Smith lol

    Or giving up a 1st for St Louis .

    But that is the past and now let the young D play and leave cap room for Zib.

    • “Leave cap room for Zib”???? When he’s 30 you want to pay him not knowing what he’ll be like? Panarin and Kreider are both older. Wouldn’t say Hajek is a bust. He started season with them and got hurt. Miller might play next year, but like you said, might not be ready. As I said, a lot will depend on what plan is for DeAmgelo.

      • Zib is still far and away better than any other Ranger center so at 29 i think he’d be the UFA …..yes I still pay at least 4-5 year deal. Yup.

        They cannot even figure a 2nd line center long term…not about to dump my clear far and above #1 in 2 years unless he completely plummets.

        Cannot always be in constant rebuild mode.

      • Ya I am begging to know what type of conversations are revolving around ADA…..super curious why they are still on the fence.

        They allegedly tendered a qualifying offer and purportedly want a deal around 5 mill.

        It’ll be interesting off season for us to say the least.

        I rather not have OEL and keep Hajek on the bottom pairing. But that is me I supposed.

  11. Slick62, while that’s a possibility, first they bigger fish to fry. With $59,761,288 invested in just 12 players, they have $21,738,712 to sign 11. Even with RFA Brown gone, they still have 5 to sign, all but 1 with arbitration rights: Fs Dryden Hunt – $725,000, Aleksi Saarel – $753,333 and the one with no arb rights, Dominic Toninato – $775,000, Lucas Wallmark – $675,000 and RD MacKenzie Weegar – $1,600,000.

    That combined $4,518,333 cap it will likely come in at close to $7 mil when all concluded, leaving just over $14,700,000 to sign 6.

    If they don’t keep UFAs Hoffman 29g 30a 59pts & $5,187,500 and/or Dadonov – 25g 22a 37pts & $4,000,000 – that’s a lot of offense to replace. Keeping both would mean eating up most of what cap they have left as both will seek increases – certainly at least $11.5 to $12 mil combined. Which would mean both RD Pysyk and F Haula – obtained from Carolina in a trade, would be gone for sure.

    They’ve got some big decisions to make before even thinking about Pietrangelo.

    • George, I said last week I think they’ll bring up some of the young forwards they have. Denisenko, Tippett, Borgstrom and Noel. They have good young talent at forward. I thought when they traded for Hornqvist they would buy him out.

      • whats with tippett???saw his first nhl game against the ducks and he scored 2 goals. then he disappeared.

  12. Pengy. Looks like your boy Soucy is re upping in Minny.

  13. Saw the Rumour about Dubnyk and Donato being traded to SJ for pick(s) and checked SJ’s cap space. Then I realized Labanc is one of their RFA’s. What a horrible decision Labanc made last year taking a very cheap one year deal coming off a 56 point season. No one could have predicted COVID, but that combined with a bad 19/20 could cost him US$15-$20M between last year and the next 3-5 years. OUCH.