NHL Rumor Mill – September 1, 2020
Could the Jets consider shopping Patrik Laine or Nikolaj Ehlers? What’s the latest on Matt Murray and Max Domi? Find out in today’s NHL rumor mill.
LAINE AND EHLERS TRADE BAIT?
TSN 1290 WINNIPEG‘s Jim Toth reports NHL insider Frank Seravalli said to expect Jets forwards Patrik Laine and Nikolaj Ehlers to be on his TSN Trade Bait List when it comes out later this week. The Jets are said to be evaluating the best way to address the holes in their lineup.
Winnipeg Jets winger Patrik Laine (NHL Images)
SPECTOR’S NOTE: Just when Jets fans thought they could get through an off-season without trade rumors about Laine and Ehlers, they get dragged back in.
We can’t dismiss the notion of Jets general manager Kevin Cheveldayoff considering his options. Fixing his depleted defense corps and adding a second-line center are the priorities.
Shopping Laine and/or Ehlers would address one or both needs. However, that doesn’t mean Cheveldayoff will go that route. He’ll get lots of interest in those guys but there’s no guarantee he’ll find a suitable return in what will be an unusual off-season trade market.
UPDATES ON MURRAY
OTTAWA SUN: Don Brennan believes Senators GM Pierre Dorion should put in a call to Pittsburgh Penguins GM Jim Rutherford for goaltender Matt Murray. Rutherford has indicated he’ll probably move a goalie and Brennan believes he’ll keep Tristan Jarry. He points out Murray is a proven winner with two Stanley Cup rings and advocates offering up the first-round pick Dorion received from the New York Islanders in the Jean-Gabriel Pageau deal.
SPECTOR’S NOTE: Murray’s injury history and inconsistency over the last two seasons could hurt his trade value. He’s also a restricted free agent with arbitration rights who could seek over $6 million annually on his next contract. Murray might not be keen to stick with a rebuilding club for too long. If Dorion is in the market for a goalie he might have other options in mind.
PITTSBURGH HOCKEY NOW: Dan Kingerski wondered if the Calgary Flames could be a potential trade partner for Murray. Changes could be in store for the Flames following their first-round ouster by the Dallas Stars.
Cam Talbot could depart via free agency while David Rittich has a career NHL save percentage of .907. Kingerski listed Sam Bennett, Dillon Dube, and Oliver Kylington among the possible return options for the Penguins.
SPECTOR’S NOTE: Flames GM Brad Treliving has long resisted moving Bennett because of his versatility and how he elevates his play in the postseason. I also think Treliving prefers keeping Dube in the fold. Kylington has occasionally surfaced as a trade candidate but that could depend upon how many of the Flames’ UFA blueliners Treliving intends to re-sign.
DOMI REPORTEDLY FIRES HIS AGENT
MONTREAL GAZETTE: Stu Cowan feels Max Domi’s days with the Canadiens appear to be over after he reportedly fired longtime agent Pat Brisson, who is a good friend of Habs GM Marc Bergevin. The 25-year-old center is a restricted free agent with arbitration rights coming off a sub-par season following a 72-point campaign in 2018-19.
Cowan also indicated the relationship between Domi and head coach Claude Julien isn’t good and didn’t improve after Domi started the playoffs on the fourth line. Bergevin, meanwhile, was non-committal over Domi’s future when asked about the center during his end-of-season press conference.
SPECTOR’S NOTE: Domi frequently surfaced in trade speculation in the Montreal media this season. He was linked to the Penguins before they acquired Kasperi Kapanen last week from the Toronto Maple Leafs. We probably haven’t heard the last of the Domi trade chatter given his decline in production this season and change of agents, If the Habs decide to shop him their asking price could be a good top-four, left-side defenseman in return.
Calgary needs an established number one between the pipes. Kylington did not play much down the stretch and none in the post season . It would take more than that to land Murray. Dube captain team Canada a couple three of world juniors ago and entry level-no. Maybe add Bennett IF (a big if )the package was right.
@ Silver seven
I think the Flames will need to decide on weather they want to sign Hall and go big after Holtby ..both western boys that are available and attached to the Flames right now !
I think they need to sign Holtby first ..IMO
as he will be available the Capos can not afford him any longer !
Then move out a significant piece and contract and then try and sign Hall as it has been reported.
I have a feeling Hall will take a bit less money to play in Calgary ..Iam only going by the rumors..
But both those guys can be had and are from the area and would probably like to finish off the careers there if all works out ..I like Holtby better than Murray ..IMO ..if it was dollar for dollar contract !
I don’t see Murray being consistent enough for what the Flames will need in net !
If the Flames want to go low ball on a Goalie and sign Hall to a big contract then I woudl look to Darcy Keumpfer ,,you can make him a serious offer long term and still get him for less than Holtby and Murray ..and he will give you the same game …IMO …hes a big kid ..and is really breaking out !
Kuemper is signed for $4.5M for the next two years. AZ will be asking for a decent return to let him go, he showed a lot in the bubble. I honestly do not think they are keeping Hall.
Kemper is going no where unless the return is a #1 center period. See Craig Morgan for more on that.
If the Yotes move a goalie it will be Raanta but his injury history will hurt his value. Maybe Calgary sends Bennett for Raanta as part of a package that includes some help on D for the flames.
AzHockeynut. There isn’t a goalie in the league that could bring back a #1 center. Period.
Kale E… MURRAY is the cheaper and younger option and would rebound with a better defensive team..Pittsburgh sucked on d this year. HOLTBY is 30 and will want north of $6 mllion..
Murray 26 one year 3.75 if he works sign him.long term. Holtby Has had some off times as well..two years ago he didnt start the playoffs for the capitals..
All ufa goalies are 30 or older seeking bug money.
If Murray does go somewhere it will be solely to clear cap space – and in that regard, beggars (Pittsburgh) can’t be choosers. NO ONE is taking Johnson, so if not Murray, who do they move to clear the cap space they need to re-sign their 7 RFAs? And not even Murray alone will be enough.
Hi George
I posted before how Pens can sign all RFAs ; field 23; save money; keep both MM and TJ
One trade; one UFA signing ; the rest is all internal
Bjug traded; JJ bought out
Poulin and Riikola (re-signed) take their roster spots
CR to WBS; Czuzcman or PO-J replaces him
Sign UFA Soucy
Re-sign the Fwd RFA Fwds
Now left with $8M to $9 M for MM &TJ…. yes almost impossible…. could be done
That team is younger; faster; far far far superior to the roster Pens had as at end of Play-in
Too tight… always have the option of Horny buyout (Simon takes his slot; WBS grad or reasonable depth UFA takes 14th Fwd spot)
That move gets Pens to $11M – $12M for the 2 goalies
So this CAN be done with but one trade and 1 UFA signing (Soucy) or 2 (any depth UFA signing of 14th Fwd)
The rest is all internal moves
Doable and BTW; costs less cash than 19/20
A first for Murray? Where do I sign? Sam Bennett for Murray? Where do I sign?
120% disagree. Murray’s inconsistency (last three years SV%: .907, .919, .899) and injury history along with the variety of goalies on the market, both trade and FA, make this a HARD pass. Why trade a 1st for a ‘starting’ goalie with a 2019-2020 season of 38 games with a sub .900 save percentage?
Talbot in 26 games and 10 playoff games outplayed Murray and would be cheaper.
Lehner as an FA has had consecutive trophy level seasons
Freddy Andersen is apparently available and despite his reputation of ‘choking’ had a .936 in these playoffs and in a down season behind a porous defense still had a .909
Even a rumour out that Kuemper is available.
Don’t want or need Murray. Yes he has 2 cups. But this is is a ‘what have you done for me lately’ league and lately he has been outstripped by Jarry and has a below average regular season performance record.
Totally agree SCJ, Murray not only has had a bad year and injury history, the Penguins will have to move a goalie before the Seattle expansion. A 3rd round pick may be too much if he is looking for 6 million a year. There are plenty of other options available that are better as you suggest imo.
Accurate on all accounts but one. If the return for Murray is weak then having him as bait for Seattle would be beneficial for the pens. Seattle gonna take an asset. Why not have them take Murray and leave another asset in the pens control.
Keep both TJ and MM
expose weaker of two to Kraken ; OR if both play well all year… move one for a return pre Expansion draft; expose DeSmith
SCJ… If you are trying to tell everybody that Cam Talbot is better than Matt Murray you are smoking the w****d
Cam Talbot has had a couple of decent seasons here and there (rangers at one time) but he is a career back -up and he is 33
So you don’t want a 26 year old, with a decent contract, two Stanley cups, and has way more upside ..
You would rather have a goalie that has bounced around more than a basketball with the Rangers, Edmonton then Calgary and is a career back-up, 33, or a choke artist like Freddie Andersen…both older and more expensive. Calgary is in good hands if your then GM?? LOL
Murray would fit well in Calgary they are better defensively than the penguins were this year.
Murray if dealt will be motivated and have a chip on his shoulder just like he was when he pushed Fluery out the door and two cups.
Re “ A first for Murray? Where do I sign? Sam Bennett for Murray? Where do I sign?”
A 7th in 2035 for JJ @ 50 % retained…. where do I sign
But it was clearly Schultz bringing down JJ. And there is no way the coach and GM are lying about that….is there?
A first for Murray is a pipe dream. But one or two of those seconds…. maybe?
Hi SCJ
Correction… contrary to assistant coaches and all fans; per GMJR it was
Tanger and Dumo and Marino and Pettersson and Riikola and Shultz and Trottman….. that were at fault this year and not the premier D man JJ; and
All forwards and his D partners that cost 2 play-in games this year and 1 against Isles last year; not JJ
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With Arizona’s money woes, I think Keumper is the best option for Calgary right now. Treliving doesn’t like to spend on that position and Keumper being signed for 2 years at 4.5 is perfect for Calgary giving time for Wolfe to develop and take over in 2 years. Ryan, a prospect and a couple of picks, 2nd and a 3rd get it done as long as they throw in a decent defensemen with Keumper… Need to take advantage of Arizona being on the rebuild…
McCann and Murray for Bennett and Kylington .
SILVERSCREEN ..That’s a hard no from the Penguins we can more for Mccann 23and Murray 26 than you proposed deal from Calgary..
There’s no need to trade Ehlers/Laine, plenty of cap space to bolster back end. Top 6 forwards hard to come by.
No team is drooling to get their fangs into Talbot. Flames should look elsewhere.
Vincois, when you say “plenty of cap space” I assume you’re looking at the $15,577,145 they’ll have on hand to sign 10 (they’ve only committed to 13).
I assume they’ll re-sign their 4 RFAs (Roslovic, Harkins, Appleton and Niku) who, collectively, accounted for $3,178,333 off the cap with their ELCs. That’s likely to come closer to $4.5 when all signed which leaves around $11 mil to sign 6.
They have a slew of UFAs, most of whom (like Shore, Shaw, Sbisa, etc.) they’ll let walk. But what about D-men Kulikov and deMelo – do they let them go as well? If not, their collective $5.2 mil will certainly go up closer to $7 mil leaving them around $4 mil to sign 4. Then there’s Eakin who they jist got from Vegas who cost $3,850,000 this year. If they keep him there’s not enough to even cover his increase.
How do you see them handling this?
Listening to a Winnipeg TSN station on the web, they say it’s a foregone conclusion that Kulikov is gone.There doesn’t seem to be much excitement left in keeping Roslovic around and I was surprised to hear them say that Niku could be moved?
Not saying this solves everything for the Jets, but I’m pretty sure Little’s career is in serious jeopardy. They will most likely put him on LTIR and that would give them another $5.29 mill.
It seems to me the Jets need to move one of their wingers at the very least. They have a lot of other positions to fill. This almost has to be a foregone conclusion at this point doesn’t it?
Wow. a 6′ 1″ 205 lb defensive D-man who, except for one disastrous season in Buffalo (join the club) has had a pretty consistent career and only turn 30 in October. If they do walk away he’ll be snapped up.
Kulikov has never lived up to his billing , now has a bad back and is in now way worth the 4+ million he was paid. I did not get to see DeMelo play much in Wpg but when he was in Ottawa he was very steady and reliable, great value at less than 1 million, depending on what he is asking for I think he is likely good value. Niku was best d-man in the AHL in 2018 , the potential is there.
Jets could offer Laine to the Canes he would fit in nice with Aho and Teravainen. Laine will be looking for big coin after next season.
Seems like more of the same for the Jets as like last season. Little’s uncertain status is the difference between having a 2C signed and not needing an Eakin like player contract or if LTIR not short term having another 5.29 M to put towards that contract. With the expansion draft looming having to many players to protect will be an issue. Can’t see more than one quality defense signing (ie DeMelo) so as to be able to protect 10 skaters. Kulikov was overpaid for what he brought to the table but that comes with the territory to lure UFA’s to the hinterland. Niku won’t be waiver exempt so should be available full-time for the Jets. Dahlstrom will also qualify as an exposable Dman. Expecting an injection of prospects while balancing the # of NHL games played ( if req.) so as to remain draft exempt.
Agree with CDN King, they need to know what’s up with Little.
Wouldn’t moving Wheeler to C again make more sense than moving one of the young wingers?
You best be getting some high end young quality back if your moving Laine. Easy to say move a winger for D help or a C, but would like to here who is coming back.
WPG has some flexibility and while a little early to throw Heinola to the fire, he sounds like a keeper so far.
WPG fans is Stanley going to develop? He should be close to ready after 2 years with the Moose.
I think Eakin (being brought in) was like K. Hayes the year before, getting him just to help with playoffs because Little wasn’t available. He’ll walk! Kulikov let walk or “inexpensive” resign? , & Demelo will be a reasonable signing imo. Besides Roslovic, the others will be happy to be qualified or a lil more. they want a couple big D men to replace Buff & Trouba. Won’t be easy but doable. Unless you get something really good back.
Re: Laine / Ehlers – I agree that there isn’t much reason for them to look into a trade there unless they can get something fantastic defensively in the return (if someone wants to trade a Werenski for Laine then sure, but I don’t see it).
Re: Talbot – I agree on walking. He is going to want too much for too long after 1 decent season in recent memory. If the Flames want to compete, they need to clear a little space and take a run at Lehner.
Don Brennan is the local version of Brooks and Simmons – never lets reality get in the way of an opinion article.
NO way they even try and land Murray regardless of suggested offerings. The goaltending – for the next couple of rebuilding seasons anyway – is set with Nilsson and Hogberg with Daccord and Gustavsson at the AHL level.
A good left handed D man for Domi… I am going over to Tim;s with a dime to buy a coffee…got the same chance as that idea….
This is a guy who Arizona out….now the Habs want him out….and they don’t want him out because KK and Suzuki played well in the play offs…..Habs fans have been wanting him out for months….
If is a dressing problem with real leaders like Price and Weber in the room….it is a real problem…if he doesn’t get along with the coach…..if he tells the coach he is centre not a winger….if tells the coach who should be his linemates….these are signs he puts himself above the team….
BUYER BEWARE
We’ll give you Gardiner and a 3rd for Domi. Clearly, the Hurricanes get the better of the deal, but this is what happens when you have a player that doesn’t want to be there and that mgmt doesn’t want there.
Bergevin has lost all leverage.
And Gardiner has been a top-4 LD. (I am in no way suggesting that he actually should be one, but just pointing out that he has been one)
No thanks, Whaler. Gardiner was a top 4 in Toronto because of the quality of the Leafs’ D. He has under performed in Carolina, and the Habs were fortunate to be turned down by them. I doubt the Habs will circle back.
I have to agree… Domi sounds like a very selfish person. But at the same time, I can understand him. Hey… The guy puts 72 pts as a center 2 years ago and the next season, he plays on the 4th line! Something’s wrong for sure.
I also agree his value is limited. But I also believe someone will bite and give Domi another chance at it. He’s only 25 yo. and 72 pts isnt nothing. He would have reached 50 this year, playing with nobodies.
I think Domi will be traded too, because he doesn’t seem to like or be comfortable on the wing. I think that is pretty obvious to most Habs fans.
Stu Cowan is just barely better than that other Gazette mope Brendan Kelly. Put them together and you get columns written in crayon and pictures coloured outside the lines. For Cowan to declare Domi is out just because he changed agents is just dumb.
I do not know if Domi is necessarily selfish, he just has his flaws. This is just me, but this season he’s stayed on the periphery far too often and he did not shoot nearly as often as he did last season. Furthermore, he has a penchent for not getting too involved physically, only to do something egregious after the whistle that costs him and the team a pentalty. He skates well but he’s not that great on faceoffs. While he sees himself as a playmaker first, he needs to shoot more. He’s actually being way too unselfish: every Canadien’s fan just wants him to shoot more and be less predictable and more involved in the play.
He’s got loads of talent – not McDavid talent, but talent – and they’ll get a top-four or a winger with size. But they aren’t getting a star.
Compare Domi’s stats to those of Kevin Hayse.
Just not the size part.🙂
Is he worth Hayse money?
Interesting that Danault, who public ally spoke out about his displeasure with his role moving forward, wasn’t attacked with labels. Domi is a good young player. He’s put up points as a center and I don’t doubt someone will have interest. Buffalo has been rumored to have dmen they would part with for a 2C.
Slick, I’ve seen plenty on CF doing Domi to the Sabres…peg the asking price, just don’t see the Sabres giving up 8OA
I doubt the Sens trade for Murray. Why give up any assets when they could sign a FA thats as good if not hetter than Murray. Injury history should scare off most teams.
I think Ottawa is a year or two away from needing to or wanting to sign any big ticket FAs.
Fully agree Ron
I would say more like 4 or 5 years for Ottawa or until they forced Melnyk out.
Teams are bleeding cash that’s not being replaced.
The Players stupidly pushed their “woke moment” right when a new TV contract needs to get done.
Look at the NBA rating lately?
I am NOT making a political statement here.
But anytime you piss of a segment of the population, your business suffers. Simple economics.
I see lots of fans saying they are not supporting the NHL anymore. That has to effect the TV contract. ESPN, TBS, ABC Et al are losing a fortune
on the NBA playoffs.
Again I am not taking a side here. My beliefs are private and you guys could care less anyway.
But Ottawa and the majority of non Canadian franchises are hurting. And it’s not getting better anytime soon.
What happens when the TV money isn’t what they thought it would be?
TV execs are not stupid. They see what’s happening in the NBA and they will be watching NFL ratings closely.
If the NFL takes a hit (which I believe it will) the dollars for hockey are going to shrink.
Without people through the door the only revenue source is TV. If that dries up….then what?
Is it true that TV rating in Canada are down across the board this year?
We are completely in tune nevinsrip. This is NOT going to be business as usual in ANY pro sport and if this virus spikes big in the fall I can see franchises folding right across the board – baseball, basketball, soccer and NFL included.
They are bleeding money as are many of those who advertised big time on TV broadcasts. Politicians on both sides of the border are light deer caught in the headlights.
George, the virus won’t be spiking “bigly” in fall, especially in the United States. The virus is on its way out. Look at Sweden with no lockdowns – new cases and deaths are practically non-existent. Extended lockdowns did much more harm than good. Governor of Florida said there will NEVER be any more lockdowns. Disney theme parks are now OPEN.
Ohhh-kaaay.
Ron… You just said the Sens are a year or two away from signing any FA but then you said they could sign a FA that’s better than Murray…which one is it brother..
yeah there are some FA goalies but all are 30 or older wanting big bucks…north of $6 million.
Murray contract is one year at a good price $3.75 and god Ottawa has sucked for a while so you must have a lot of assets you can share some..LOL
Love high scoring games but this is killing me… I am loaded in Knights in my pool. I need Flyers and Avs to win out in 1-0 regulation games with all goals scored (unassisted) by Braun and Cole
Throwing this out there… Mac K is at 23 points and 13 straight playoff games with a point. There is a possibility of Avs coming back and winning series and WCF going 6 or 7…. leaving the possibility of Mac K with a 21 or 22 game streak with points ; with high 30’s in points (thus trailing only Wayne and Mario all time); but actually not in SCF….
Would you give him the Conn Smythe in that case (Note: by definition the award can be given to a player who does not play in the SCF : “Awarded to the most valuable player for his team in the playoffs”)
I’d certainly consider him for the Conn Smythe even if eliminated.
However, here’s a blurb from Wikipedia on the subject:
“Though the trophy rewards a player who performed particularly well over the entirety of the playoffs, it has never been given to a player whose team did not at least reach the Stanley Cup Finals. The trophy has been awarded to members of the team that lost the Finals five times, most recently Jean-Sebastien Giguere of the Mighty Ducks of Anaheim in 2003, who backstopped his team’s surprise run to the Finals, where they pushed the New Jersey Devils to seven games. The only skater to win the award in a losing effort is Philadelphia’s Reggie Leach, who won it in 1976 as he had set a league record for most goals in the playoffs (19), which included a five-goal game in the semifinals and four goals in the Finals, even though the Canadiens swept his Flyers.”
So, don’t hold your breath
Some more Conn Smythe trivia from Wiki:
Only eight players born outside of Canada have won the Conn Smythe Trophy. The non-Canadian winners are Americans Brian Leetch, who won it in 1994, Tim Thomas in 2011, Jonathan Quick in 2012, and Patrick Kane in 2013; Russians Evgeni Malkin and Alexander Ovechkin, who won it in 2009 and 2018, respectively; and Swedes Nicklas Lidstrom and Henrik Zetterberg, who won it in 2002 and 2008, respectively.
Only three players have won the Conn Smythe Trophy and the Hart Memorial Trophy for Most Valuable Player during the regular season in the same year: Orr in 1970 and 1972, Guy Lafleur in 1977 and Wayne Gretzky in 1985. These three players also won the Art Ross Trophy as regular season leading scorer, while Orr also won the James Norris Memorial Trophy as top defenceman to give him a record four individual original NHL awards in 1970.[1][5]
As of 2019, the Conn Smythe Trophy has been awarded to centers 19 times, to goaltenders 16 times, to defencemen nine times, and to right wingers seven times, while the only left wingers to have won the award are Bob Gainey of Montreal in 1979 and Alexander Ovechkin of Washington in 2018. The Montreal Canadiens have received the most Conn Smythe Trophies with nine. The Detroit Red Wings and Pittsburgh Penguins have each received five, and the Edmonton Oilers, Philadelphia Flyers, and New York Islanders have each received four.
Hi George noted
Yep knew no non SCF player had won in past and heavily skewed to players in winning team…. but think yhis would be an exception that may just change things
Of course that would mean Avs coming back; and his pace and streak continuing through WCF
Will be food for thought coming up
1-2-3 – you having trouble too Pengy. I tried sending the one above once – which sat there unsent for a few minutes while I answered the phone (bloody telemarketer) and I got “you are posting too quickly – slow down”
Hi George
Thanks
I didn’t even get the “you are posting too fast” blurb
Just no post showing and screen refreshed back to the page
I even tried to cut and paste my post back in to responding to my “test” and it didn’t show
For some weird reason your posts went to the trash, Pengy. I’ve restored it and am looking into the problem.
Thanks Lyle
You must have been listening to Mrs. Pengy this morning as she muttered something about me being sent out with the trash
Cheers and thanks
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If it was another JJ trade proposal that went in the trash… it was probably not an accident.😂😂😂😂😂
That was funny ny! I’m glad it’s ok to crack jokes on here. I was worried it’s verboten.
It is okay, as long as they have your stamp of approval…..
Lyle had an interesting story on Lundqvist and potential destinations. I have a hard time imagining anyone will trade for him with that contract, even with retention. But, I wonder based on other names mentioned, where he stacks up. I don’t see him going anywhere to be a backup. He seems to feel he’s better when playing more. Could be bought out and become a cheap ufa option for one of teams mentioned. Certainly has been better than most in his career.
Hi Slick
If Hank is bought out… loses only $1.5 M (gross)… I’ve got strong confidence that at least 20 teams would take him at that …. however … how many would take him as the starter… that number is IMHO , very low
Perhaps he would sign with a team that says… at training camp the two of you are 1A and 1B… whoever stands out; becomes starter
If he could buy into that and have belief in himself… number of suitors increase
Let’s take for example Pens ; IF they move MM… The King and TJ are on par to start; cream rises to top; Hank could be starter or back up… all in his determination to be better than TJ
Hank could be offered 1 year $1.5 M Sal (no SB) with ability to earn another $2M for various PBs (games played; wins; starts; certain save %’ages??)
I don’t see him traded straight up…that’s all in his hands and at best; unless a to-through trade(with more than 1 team eating the Cap) ; no team takes him at a Cap of $4.25 M
If Rangers could trade him… they are on the hook for at least $4.25 M in Cap … 50% retention… no one takes him for less… so that’s max Cap savings of $4.25
BO has Rangers saving $3M in Cap
Only other way is the “Lehner” 19/20 model to-through trade where middle team eats some Cap…. right now VGK’s only have 28% of his Cap; Leafs 22%; BlackHawks 50%
Rangers retain 50%;
middle team retains 50% (of 50%)— so 25%
Final team gets King for $2.1 M Cap and $1.1 M cash (25%)
Again… Hank must agree.. so would know his final destination
Middle team also eats $2.1 M Cap and $1.1 M cash but gets a late round pick from Rangers and a prospect or 2nd from end team
I think that Henry is planning to force the Rangers hand.
He’s in the drivers seat.
They can’t trade him without his permission.
If they buy him out, that’s a huge chunk of Cap Money to lose.
I think he’s just going to let it play out.
If they do buy him out, then he can choose his destination.
Henry is a very proud man and is NOT signing for 1 or 2 million. He still thinks that he’s the King and he expects to be paid like it.
Whether or not the league is willing to pay his asking price, remains to be seen.
He can always go home and play with his twin brother in Sweden. I just don’t get the feeling that he’s going to do that.
Call up Mr Yzerman, I am willing to bet you get him to take HL’s contract in full if you toss in the 1st overall with Detroit 4th going back to NY.
Lyle,
Whats up with the annoying pop up that covers 1/2 the screen and wont close?!?
Ron Jill. I get that too. Video that you can’t X out
On mine it shows up large at the top, but as you scroll down on the right I see a smaller version of the same video with a deletion X. Problem is, if I post something, it then pops back up if the post whether the post goes in right away or not. So I do it again
It likely depends upon your browser and its settings. We tested the media player in Chrome, Internet Explorer, Firefox and Safari. It appears as a small viewer above the text in our settings, shrinking to a smaller “sticky” version as we scrolled down with an X in the top-left hand side of the player to click to close. We had no issues making posts in the comments section.
Lyle, Firefox (Waterfox) user here.
Video appears in bottom right corner and clicking the “X” makes it go away.
Appears functionality is working as planned.
Glad to hear it, Hammer. As I said, we tested this over the weekend before its implementation on Sunday.
Ron, not sure I think it comes from sending repetitious posts.
Re: “Kingerski wondered if the Calgary Flames could be a potential trade partner for Murray”….
MM & JJ & CR to Flames
For
Schneider & Nielson
followed by
Bjug & Laffy to Wild for Beckman & Gordeev
Poulin up for Bjug’s roster spot
Bring up PO-J OR Czuzman
Re-sign McC, Simon, Jarry, Riikola
Sign UFA Soucy
Then have *$6 – *$9 M to fill 3 more spots to get to 23:
1. UFA 3C
2. UFA back-up
3. 14th forward at/near League min (WBS grad or UFA)
Team way faster, younger, far superior to last year; and with 4 prospects for the future:
Schneider
Nielson
Beckman
Gordeev
* could even go bold and BO Horny ; and then have *$10- *$14M to fill 4 more spots to get to 23:
1. UFA 3C (Granland? Grant? Eakin? Jumbo Joe? Haula? Spezz?)
2. UFA mid 6 winger (Psyk ?—- who plays equally well as a D; Jesper Fast? Vlad Nam? Janmark? Nieto?)
3. UFA back-up (Griess ? Talbot?)
4. 14th forward at/near League min (WBS grad or UFA)
Pengy is that the post that went directly to the trash bin?
Hi Caper,
No… it was the one about MacK and considering him for Conn Smythe if he gets to WCF but not SC; but gets high 30’s points and a 21 or 22 game point streak
I’d vote for him
Per definition …. award to best for your team in “the playoffs” NOT “in the SCF”
I highly doubt Pittsburgh will get a 1rst for Murray. The goalie market is flooded. Teams will have other options. I can only see a tram giving up something of quality if they consider a goalie like Murray the final piece to push them into the playoffs or to becoming a contender. That is not Ottawa who I expect to be a lottery team for another season.
Bingo
Hi Jeff
I keep opting my concerns of moving MM… meaning one TJ injury away fro Larmi as back up
He’s not getting a first
So why move him?
If he is moved; to me; he absolutely must be packaged with JJ (and I’d also like Ruhweedel gone in that package) as it seems that this will be the only way Pens have a shot at playoffs next year (recent published GMJR interviews and extensions have GMJR inferring that he’s going with bottom pairing of JJ/CR next year …. which precludes the Pens from being in the ‘21 playoffs
Gmjr already said he would get a vet back up that would start in the ahl if he moves a goalie. Do larmi ain’t number three in that case
Hi Chrisms
Can’t trust a single word GMJR sats after he (1) blamed everybody an praised JJ; (2) Fired 3 asst coaches ; 2 because they repeatedly asked for JJ to be Sat; and (3) signing CR to an extension a full year before he’s UFA; at a raise; when there has never been; isn’t now; nor will there ever be; competition for CR’s services
Laine to calgary, Monahan to Winnipeg. Discuss
I think it’d be silly to trade Monahan. Really good centers are harder to come by then wingers. It’s a good “startoff” proposal (due to Winnipeg’s need for a #2 center and Laine’s ceiling), but I see Johnny Playoff Dud getting shipped out instead.
Hi Jeff
As I posted below; I doubt PL is moved; but if he is; a top 4 (if not top 2) D must come back
I just can’t see him flipped for another forward
I only bring it up because I’m am not convinced Winnipeg’s D is an issue. Winnipeg is touted as having forward depth. Has to be just the winger depth. When they lost Scheifele they moved a winger (wheeler) to centre. The past couple of years they searched for a 2nd line centre come playoff time. I will honk it is the 2nd line centre position that needs To be addressed more so than the D.
A Scheifele Monahan combs seems fun from the perspective of the Jets. Laine Will make it more palatable for Calgary to trade Gaudreau who could bring in a replacement for Monahan truly changing up the teams top 6.
Jeff,
I would hate that trade, terrible for Calgary.
Centres to hard to come by and Calgary has no depth at center so he will not be traded.
I have watched Laine quite a few times and I am not impressed with him at all.
Seems to be a perimeter player and really poor defensively. If he didn’t have that big shot and quick release he would be playing in Finland because he wouldn’t be able to crack a NHL team.
Way over rated.
Draft Rankings
So how will the top 4 losers in each conference be ranked after the current round of playoffs is over ? Will they be ranked by regular season points or by round robin position ? Example Boston had the most points when play was stop and of course was eliminated last night so will they be ranked 27th because they had the most points in the regular season or will they be ranked lower because they had zero points in the round robin ?
I believe that the 8 teams eliminated in the first round and the 4 who will be eliminated in the current round will draft at numbers 16-27 in inverse order of regular season points. So yes, Boston will be 27. The 2 conference final losers will be 28 and 29 in inverse order of points. The SCF loser will be 30 and the champs 31.
Hi Howard
I think your right for “reg” years but perhaps they had a plan for this weird Covid situation
I think I remember Friedman explaining last year that the 4 Div winners ; if they were ousted first round; were placed 24th to 27th in reverse order of overall standings… so that President’s Trophy winner can only pick 27-31
Now with the play-in and then Bos not finishing top…, does that slide them down?
Right now on CapFriendly if you click on Bos first pick (shadowed as Ducks own it) it opens up to show that pick at 27th
However in that same chart it has
31-Avs
30 – ShArks (from Bolts)
29-Knights
28-Flyers
27-Ducks (Bruins)
26-Blues
25-Caps
24-Stars
I have no idea why it is ranking Avs; Bolts; then Knights then Flyers ? If it was ranking the top 4 positions (in reverse order of standings) for teams STILL in playoffs.. yes it would go Avs then Bolts; but Flyers finished ahead of Knights so with that “ranking” Flyers should have shown at 29 not Knights???????
The enigma continues
Trading Laine???? Why not throw Scheifele and Connor into that with Ehlers too????
I think Winnipeg has a forward corp that is pretty damn good!
Is Wheeler overpaid? Yes, I think he is, but whatever….he brings it!
Do they need help on D? Yep, but it’s not too bad of a patchwork defense.
If anyone should be thought of as trade bait, Connor and/or Ehlers are my only suggestions, if for nothing else than a bit more cap space, picks, good prospects and defensive help. Neither will get a top 2 Dman, but such is the world of a stagnant cap.
I see Sam Bennett brought up ALOT lately, and I side with Treliving…he may never live up to his draft spot, but DAMN I enjoy watching him play! I would love to see him with my beloved Wings, but even more so riding shotgun with McDavid on my equally beloved Oilers.
With the stagnant cap for the next 2 seasons (and depending on fans being allowed back in the stands during this time, which could lead to a longer stagnant cap period), I’m really interested to see if players price themselves out of the League…a la Cody Franson.
Bet on it. This is the end of the line for a whole host of UFAs. And there will be a generous sprinkling of RFAs not tendered qualifying offers and suddenly trying to find homes as UFAs.
All due to the flat cap and so many teams (21 at least) needing to clear cap space just to keep their RFAs and a UFA they’d like to keep. And, for the most part, few that are moved for cap clearing purposes will be qualified NHLers rather than disposable crap because the teams that can take them on are limited and know those 21 are in a financial bind.
In the meantime, collectively, there are 125 RFAs and 132 UFAs who will be looking for new deals and, in many cases, they’ll simply have to settle for a lot less than they might otherwise received in “normal” times.
Just a hunch from my observation of the futility of trying to pound square pegs into round holes, and although there probably aren’t any more RFAs/UFAs coming up this year compared to past years, many in both categories will find themselves on the outside looking in when the dust settles and NHL rosters are filled out with more prospect ELCs than we’ve ever seen before simply to meet cap requirements.
I just don’t see any possible way for the owners to allow (all due respect to Lehner, Pieterangelo, Krug et al) their GMs to spend the amount of money that is due/expected to most of the A1 UFA/RFAs.
Your Sens, my Wings, the stupid Avs (I still carry Lemieux angst) and the suddenly “Wow” Rangers are going to come out of this mess smiling!
I think it may come down to take it or leave it. If the players want to play and win, they’ll take the fairest offer. If they don’t? The KHL is thata way!
Laine is far lesser a player than either Connor or Ehlers in my humble opinion. One dimensional and soft on the puck is Laine.
Winnipeg should of given Ottawa what they wanted for Stone a good Winnipeg boy and then move Liane to insure cap complaisance.
Huge Jets fan from Calgary. It’s interesting to hear the rumors, but that could be great for the Jets. Let them talk up the players. Personally, I predict the Jets spend $ on FA D man. (T.J. Brodie?) I also think you’ll see (Domi) in a Jets jersey (like his old man and to the city he was born in) next year as their number 2 center. I think both teams have what each other want in a trade.
I think they would need to get a lot from a trade for Laine or Ehlers. But if your going to trade 1, you trade both and re design your team.
Moving Laine?
Anything is possible; but what is the return and who has the space; and who finally gets him
What’s the value for a recently turned 22 year old; 6’5” , 210 lb winger with 1 more year @$6.75M (then RFA) whose full season (82 G ) pro-rated stats for his first 4 seasons were:
40-32-72
44-26-70
30-20-50
34-42-76
So averaging 37-30-67 and removing his 18/19 down year… 3 year average of 39-34-73
Teams that could fit him in (with a D coming back)….
Avs … who is the D-man and would they do the trade knowing PL gets re-upped at a raise before Mac K can be re-upped
Sabres… Risto or Montour not cutting it; needs loads more
Wings… there are no real Dmen to give up
Habs…. Petry has only one year left
Devils…. it would be Severson and then tons more in trade
Sens… besides giving George a heart attack… the only option is Chabot; and it’s just not hapenning
It is going to be two players and a pick IMHO and the only viable thing I can think of is to Sabres….
Montour+Reinhardt+2nd or Montour+Cousins+2nd
Pengy, don’t see the Sabres moving Cozens but the Montour+Reinhart+2nd I think would work. If a first has to be added instead of a 2nd then it would be 2021 first.
Agree Len
Can you think of any other combo from any other team that would move the needle on a PL trade??
Well Edmonton already has McDavid and Draisaitl as there C’s and RNH is a solid 2C who plays a solid 200′ game and never had a decent winger after Hall and Ebs got traded.
He is basically a winger now in Edmonton as they split up McD and Drai.
You would need to extend RNH (7×7.5) before a deal could be done, but would WPG or EDM fans do it?
Pengy…good question, with the flat cap and all it’s going to be interesting to see what the return will be for players like Laine if traded. Do sellers take less? Do they just keep the player. I think Montour, Reinhart and the 2nd or the 21 first might be a little light.
Buffalo is really short on prospects especially forwards not named Cozens. They have a few on D but those they have to keep to replace the ones they trade or leave through free agency.
The other part is the Pegulas got roasted for hiring Adams so he is going to have to earn the fans respect, if he makes a trade and gets raked over the coals like Botterill did with the ROR trade there may be a revolt here by the fans.
*The Jets are outstanding on the wing and have limited options at center.
*I don’t think Wheeler is overpaid ye… he has been near the top of the league in points for the last 5 years – check back in a couple years
*Laine is divisive amongst jet fans. Maybe the best shot in the world, great size, good passer when he has time, love the candidness of his interviews, he came to camp ready to play last year with a little more speed, confidence and good fitness and still very young. I get frustrated with his senior league quickness, static play and giveaways in the O-zone. Does a new centerman fix all this in a league getting faster every year? Big contract coming up, other parts needed, I would take the risk of him exploding and trade him out of conference.
*Kulikov would need a pay cut to stay in wpg
*Eakins won’t get a raise and likely a cut
*Demelo can get Kulikov’s money
*Niku is likely done in wpg, conflict with Huddy, progress hampered by injuries, another smaller frame on d
*Roslovic will get a lot of top 6 time if Laine gets moved
*I think Ehlers stays as he is signed on a good contract and is a consistent threat to score, well liked and respected
*Jets played much of last year with a 55m dollar lineup without Buff, Little and a rash of other shorter term things going on
*Bright spots in the forward prospects include Appleton and Harkins who showed they can be effective in a middle six role, and Vesalaine who is figuring out NA game
*on D Heinola will challenge for a spot (undersize d), Samberg will get a shot (big d), and the organization still is high on Logan Stanley who continues to develop (slowly)
*Mikail Berdin is a Moose fan favourite goalie with talent and flair
*Cheveldayov and Maurice will need to show improvement next year or the boobirds will be out in force
does anyone think it possible that TBay could possibly consider moving Stamkos in the off season? they need to free up $ and he could fetch some good picks , prospect in return. He would have to approve destination due to NMC ….
Rangers fans ….any interest?
I am a huge Stamkos fan, but I don’t think I’d like to see him in NY. He just can’t stay healthy.
I don’t think NY could make that cap space happen unless Tampa took back Kreider or similar contract as part of the return.
For as unhealthy as he is, I wouldn’t part with many assets to grab him. I’d imagine he would still cost a hefty return.
I figured that may be your response Nyr4life.
Health , age, 8.5 million a year and a NMC are concerns but he still has game, leadership, experience and would take the Rangers up a few notches in the power rankings. Gorton would no doubt have to swing a couple of other deals to make this work …..Strome would likely be a casualty.
Just watching the Bolts they are looking good down the middle with Point, Cirelli, Gourde as 1, 2&3. They are also in a bad predicament cap wise next year.
Laine and Kulikov for Domi, Peohling, a 2nd in 2020 and a 2nd in 2021. Book it.
Yeah, right. And do you have a bridge in Brooklyn you’re looking to sell?
Don’t scoff to fast!
Kulikov’s UFA so nevermind that.
Laine for Domi, Peohling, a 2nd in 2020 and a 2nd in 2021. It’s fair. Laine and Domi have the same total of points over the last 2 years. Domi’s RFA after a down year, so you’ll probably sign him for less than Laine. A good prospect + 2nds for the difference in age and ceiling…
Tell me what’s wrong with it!
In one phrase (aside from sheer size) – goal-scoring consistency
Laine – 4 seasons of 36, 44. 30, 28 (shortened season) goals
Domi – 5 seasons of 18, 9, 9, 28, 17 (shortened season)
And please don’t throw back the “misused” tag because that suggests those running the teams in Arizona and Montreal were/are idiots
So I, for one, am not “booking” anything
To WPG: OEL & Stepan & Fischer
To ARZ: Laine & Ehlers
WPG gets cap relief after next season with Stepan and flexibility to add long term and not have to deal with Laine contract negotiations
AZ needs young star like a Laine bc they won’t be signing Hall
SendingOEL in his Prime to WPG makes sense and the young Laine grows up with Keller, Dvorak, Schmatlz and Churchryn and company.
Then fire Tochet and bring in Gallant.
You know what I’m gonna say here.
It seems there’s no stopping the fantasy league transaction proposals Nyr4life – multiple, convoluted exchanges involving NHL players/prospects and picks are ingrained despite the fact they have seldom happened with the arrival of the cap era – a built-in roadblock to such deals now exacerbated by a flat cap for some time to come.
Someone will undoubtedly bring up the Karlsson deal, but that was one player (Perron was an AHL throw-in) for, with all due respect to Tierney and deMelo, essentially unknown futures. At the time, there was NO way San Jose (or Ottawa) thought for a fleeting moment that that 1st round pick would turn out to be a # 4 – and possibly even a # 1 if the ball fell right.
Looking at this as a Habs fan;
Laine to the Habs, not likely, but,,,,,,
If I’m Chevy the conversation starts with Suzuki as my centerpiece!!!! Bergevin has to decide which young center moving forward has the most upside, Nick or Jesperi.
So I’m going to put this out there as a deal;
To the Habs: Laine, Jet 5th rders ’20,’21&’22
To the Jets: Kotkaniemi, Kulak, Fleury, Habs 1st rder ’20, Blues 2nd rder & Jets 4th rder .
The Jets get their 2nd line center, young with good size, a 26 yr old D-man who rebounded in the playoff who had an off season from the year before & a 21 yr old D prospect with good size who likes to play a physical game. They gain another mid-1st round pick, a late 2nd rder & get their own 4th rder back.
The Habs reek of the need for a scoring winger with size & will pay to get one!!!
Domi gets to play center again, albeit with probably Armia & Lehkonen.
FYI, ain’t happenin’ just because of how it handcuffs MB next summer financially, especially if Max gets paid this summer based on his 70 point season last year.
Canadiens acquire Jake Allen and a 7th-round pick in 2022 from the Blues in return for a 3rd- and 7th-round pick in 2020.
Facts are Murray will be moved and there will be teams out there that will value the opportunity to acquire a two time young Stanley Cup winning goalie. Especially when you compare it to any of the other goaltenders to be had.
There will be a nice return for him and I only hope it contains picks and or strong prospects.
After all the penguins are without a first round pick this year and next along without a second this year.
Whatever Jim does this year has to work. There will be no pieces left to make moves for players this trade deadline.