NHL Rumor Mill – October 5, 2020
The latest on Patrik Laine, Tyler Johnson and Matt Murray plus updates on the Leafs and Flames in today’s NHL rumor mill.
THE LATEST ON LAINE
OTTAWA SUN: Bruce Garrioch reports there’s talk the Philadelphia Flyers are making “an aggressive push” to acquire Patrik Laine. He believes they have the ability to make a deal for the left-winger if the right fit can be found with the Winnipeg Jets.
Winnipeg Jets winger Patrik Laine (NHL Images).
A league executive speculated the Flyers could see if the Jets have an interest in Shayne Gostisbehere. The defenseman has three years remaining on his contract with an annual cap hit of $4.5 million. The Jets could also want a second-line center as part of the return.
Garrioch said the Columbus Blue Jackets and Montreal Canadiens are believed to have made pitches for Laine. He thinks the Jets would want center Phillip Danault in return. He also claims the Buffalo Sabres, Detroit Red Wings, New York Rangers, Minnesota Wild and Florida Panthers all have interest in the winger.
SPECTOR’S NOTE: I don’t think the Jets would be interested in Gostisbehere given the decline in his stock over the last two years. Ivan Provorov or Travis Sanheim would be more to their liking and I don’t see the Flyers parting with either guy in a package deal for Laine.
The Blue Jackets need more offense but I believe they’re more interested in landing a scoring center. I suspect the Jets could ask for Zach Werenski as part of the return. Recent reports out of Montreal suggest Canadiens GM Marc Bergevin isn’t pursuing Laine because of the high asking price. Of course, he could always change his mind.
LIGHTNING DISCUSSING TRADE WITH JOHNSON
TSN: Pierre LeBrun reports hearing the Tampa Bay Lightning have talked to Tyler Johnson’s representatives about working together on a possible trade. The 30-year-old forward has a full no-trade clause and four years remaining on his contract worth an annual average value of $5 million. “Let’s see where this goes,” said LeBrun.
SPECTOR’S NOTE: The Ottawa Sun’s Bruce Garrioch reports there’s talk Johnson has no interest in waiving his clause. If not, other trade options could include Ondrej Palat, Yanni Gourde and Alex Killorn. CapFriendly indicates Palat and Gourde also have full no-trade clauses while Killorn has a 16-team no-trade list.
UPDATE ON MURRAY
OTTAWA SUN: Bruce Garrioch reports there’s a chance the Pittsburgh Penguins will trade Matt Murray before the draft ends on Wednesday. If not, he’ll receive a qualifying offer from the Penguins. Garrioch believes Murray will get $5 million to $6 million via arbitration. The Chicago Blackhawks, Calgary Flames, Edmonton Oilers and Ottawa Senators have kicked tires on Murray. It’s believed the Penguins would prefer shipping him to a Western Conference club.
SPECTOR’S NOTE: It was rumored the Penguins sought a first-round pick from the Oilers for Murray. That asking price could explain why he hasn’t been traded yet. The deadline for qualifying offers is Oct. 7 at 5 pm ET.
THE LATEST ON THE LEAFS
TORONTO SUN: Lance Hornby reports of ongoing speculation of a Matt Murray/Jack Campbell reunion with the Maple Leafs. Leafs GM Kyle Dubas had Murray and Campbell as his goalie tandem when he was general manager of the OHL’s Soo Greyhounds in 2011-12.
Hornby feels Dubas can’t afford to lose current Leafs goalie Frederik Andersen to free agency next summer. Signing Murray, 26, for the long-term would be preferable to doing the same for the 31-year-old Andersen. However, Hornby wonders if Dubas envisions Campbell becoming the Leafs’ No. 1 goalie, which would put less pressure on him to find a replacement for Andersen.
Regarding rumors linking the Leafs to Alex Pietrangelo, Hornby doubts they can free up sufficient cap space to sign the St. Louis Blues defenseman if he hits the open market on Friday. He points out Morgan Rielly is slated for a new contract in 2022, making him difficult to re-sign if they invest heavily in Pietrangelo.
SPECTOR’S NOTE: Dubas reportedly told Andersen that he’s received calls from other clubs expressing interest in the Leafs starter but he’s not shopping the netminder. I don’t believe Dubas will trade him unless he can get a suitable replacement. That might not be Murray, who’s struggled with injuries and consistency over the last two seasons.
Unless Pietrangelo’s willing to accept a one- or two-year deal, I don’t see him coming to Toronto. Even then, it wouldn’t make sense for the Leafs to shed a lot of cap space to invest in him on a short-term basis.
IS A BIG MOVE COMING FOR THE FLAMES?
CALGARY SUN: Wes Gilbertson thinks Flames GM Brad Treliving will make a splash this week. It could be a blockbuster trade, a marquee free-agent signing, or both. Treliving has $17 million in cap space and some top-end talents rumored to be trade bait.
Gilbertson believes the Flames GM has an interest in Jacob Markstrom. The Vancouver Canucks goalie is slated to become a UFA on Friday and could see a deal equivalent to the five-year, $25-million contract that Robin Lehner inked Saturday with the Vegas Golden Knights. The Flames have also been linked to Alex Pietrangelo, but Gilbertson suggests Vancouver blueliner Chris Tanev would be a more affordable option.
SPECTOR’S NOTE: The Flames will be worth watching this week. There was considerable disappointment in their performance this season and in the playoffs. There was talk of shopping a top-line forward like Johnny Gaudreau or Sean Monahan but Treliving could be unwilling to go that route right now.
They definitely need to improve their goaltending if Cam Talbot isn’t re-signed. Markstrom or Braden Holtby could be on their radar. I also don’t see them landing Pietrangelo but I don’t think Tanev is the right fit. Treliving could go the trade route to address his blueline needs.
Eichel to Calgary for JohnnyG++more?
As a Flames fan – yes. 100% would give J.G. ++ in a trade for Eichel.
I think Calgary would definitely have the assets to interest the Sabres if they went that route, but the price would be understandably astronomical. The Sabres would want enough of a competitive return to reassure the fans that they are not going back to full tank while still getting some young cost-controlled assets to satisfy the owner’s reduced budget.
Calgary: Take any two players you want for Eichel.
Funny one Arnie.
I’ll play:
Tkachuk and Monohan.
Thought about Valimaki or Hanafin, but BUF needs a C in return.
Do you do it if your Calgary?
I don’t I do.
Buffalo fans would need a Johnny Hockey back to sell tickets.
Add Hanafin and a good pick
First, I wouldnt trade Eichel, second, as a Flame I wouldnt trade Tkachuk.
JG + Hanifin and a lottery protected first?
Buffalo could really use a guy like Tkachuk, Calgary could really use a guy like Eichel. And yeah, I would definitely do Monahan and Tkachuk for Eichel.
Here’s the thing, since Eichel was paid his 7.5M bonus on July 1st
A) He’s not getting traded this year
B) If he were, said team is going to pay extra bc of the bonus being paid so add a 1st either this year or next. Said team is only stuck 2.5M this year.
C) As was different in the ROR trade, the Sabres didn’t want to pay that 7.5M bonus so he was traded before the 11:59 pm deadline for the bonus to be paid on July 1st
How bout Tkachuk, Monahan and a 1st?
What about the 5th pick + a prospect to Calgary for Tkachuk to unite the brothers?
Slim to none, I know, but since everyone else is tossing out far-fetched ideas, why not get in on it?
GMKA did a conference call today;
Asked about Eichel rumors and he was much clearer than last week: “I have zero concern on Jack wanting to be here. … there’s no intention of moving Jack Eichel. I can make that very clear. .. I have no interest.
“No reason as I sit here today that you’d want to do something like that. I’m hoping I’m clarifying it for you. That to me is an easy question and we have no intention of doing that.”
Hi George O, I don’t think Flames or Sens would trade their Tkachuks but I would think hard about the 3rd and 5th oa for Matthew.
@Anyone who suggested trading Tkachuk. Nope.
@ Kent – I would make that trade for Eichel if I was Calgary.
@Ttutone – that proposal would certainly make Calgary stop and think. On the face, with M.T. being the future captain and Calgary wanting to be competitive, I think they say no. But that is also a gigantic payment from the Sen’s. Matt has played some RW and a line with Brady on the left and Matt on the right would be ludicrous!
Hummm, regarding the Penguins putting Jack Johnson on waivers, word is Canada will officially make October 5th “Pengy day “
Do not trade Laine. He is potential generational talent. Move Laine to first line, Wheeler to C on second line. Acquire Foudy/Savard for Roslovic/10th OA. Bring in Dillon for starters. And fire Maurice who is the real problem keeping this team from taking next step.
Fire Paul Maurice? Delusional .. do you watch hockey? Did you see the blue line Maurice was handed this past season? The GM is the problem is Winnipeg …
The defence was terrible but what did Paul Maurice do to save it? It was Connor Hellebuyck who “saved” the season. When things were going downhill early, unfortunately it took Bryan Little getting hit in the head to finally force Maurice to make a change. Too loyal to his veterans but in the end they say the right things about him and keep him employed.
Why the continual sarcasm in your posts, Ed?
I think you are right that Maurice is a good coach, but Chevaldayoff had three hard issues to deal with: cap problems, destination problems (sorry Winnipegers) and Big Buff’s unexpected health issues.
I can’t see what Chevy could have done in the circumstances. If you do, please say so … without the sarcasm.
I agree with you about Maurice, but disagree with you about Chevy.
Considering Chevy didn’t know that Byfuglien would be taking the season off. That was the huge hit on the ice and also in the dressing room. Chevy has done a great job in getting his RFA’s signed to good team friendly deals, except for Wheeler INO is way over paid.
Also his later drafting has been pretty good. Appleton 2015 6th round, Andrew Copp 2013 4th round, Tucker Poolman 2013 5th round, Hellebuyck 2012 5th round. The team is also high on Leon Gawanke who was a 2017 5th round pick and Declan Chisholm who was a 2015 5th round pick.
Ed,
I agree, Maurice didnt have much to work with last season. The responsibility for lack of quality defencemen lies in the GMs office.
He only has 1 eye!
Trade Liane a one dimensional 30- 40. Goal scorer who is soft on the puck and very much a perimeter player while everyone thinks he is potentially generational.
His contract demands will quickly put pace his production.
Get in return a solid second line centre 20-30 goals that better rounds out the team and allows them to mettigate a schiefele I jury.
And or
A solid top 4 D to round out the back end.
Heck if there is room go sign Hall to replace Laine.
Jeff Noel, what player are you talking about? The only art of your statement that is accurate is the 30 to 40 goals.
If you watch the games i will tell you this now Laine was better in his own zone then Scheifele last season.
When i read those comments about Laine it just tells me that folks are commenting about the players first 3yrs and didn’t watch his games this season.
The kid has arguably the best shot and quickest release in the league.
The only reason Chevy is looking at trading him is asset haul and the fact he may demand $9m in his next contract.
Laine is only 22. He has time to improve defensively. His play in the last season or so is proof that he is moving in the right direction. I just don’t see how the Jets win a trade where Laine leaves Winnipeg.
Who wouldn’t be interested in Laine . Until they hear the ask. Flyers have the assets. Sanheim or Myers would need to be a piece. Another roster forward and a pick or two
Treliving always does something . This year he has to on defence and in net. Holtby fits
Over under on Pietrangelo at $8m
Ghost is a different player, and his biggest problem seems to be falling out of favor with the coaching staff. Any team that picks him up needs to play him for his strength, not try to turn him into someone else…
You’re dead on, Provy is going nowhere. Not sure whoever gets Laine will get value. He’s gonna want a kings ransom (after MN takes theirs) next year and he is still a 1 way guy…
Will he will want to deal with Philly fans? They care more about heart than talent, which is why there is a cup drought on Broad Street
BCD no he isn’t just a one way player. Last year he made a commitment in being a more rounded and 200ft player. Previous season yes it was all about scoring goals.
He can make the commitment all he wants. He His stick is easily lifted separating him from the puck and he has little ability in winning a puck battle along e boards.
Sure he can skates sure he has a shot. But he doesn’t go to the net and take the abuse. He doesnt Carey the puck and set up the play. He doesn’t win the puck back if it is lost.
He is still young and can grow stronger and improve on those area but I won’t bet the money of his future contract demands on it.
If they can find a centre or D another way that doesn’t force them to move Connor or Ehlers than great.
Yet cap constraints does not see me wanting a player of Laines abilities sucking up a large percentage of my cap when so many other holes need filling.
Are you serious? Laine plays in Winnipeg. If he can handle Canadian market fans and media, I’m sure he can handle Philly fans.
Winnipeg would be morons to even consider Ghost in any deal for Laine. Guy is horrible. Plus Philly doesn’t have a 2c that they can afford to part with. I don’t see a match between these two teams.
The Flyers should offer Giroux or JVR + Frost for Laine.
You can teach defence.
You can’t teach somebody how to score. Offense is a premium quality.
Yes, Laine may seek $9M a season on his next contract…that’s what being a top ten goal scorer gets you in the NHL
I don’t see how WPG wins this trade unless they get a star player back.
Lou, why would Winnipeg want that over-the-hill – and costly – tandem if the purpose of dealing Laine is to free up cap space?
Daryl Years ago a GM and Coach were discussing whether to take a solid checking winger or a one dimensional scorer.
The Coach told the GM, “I can teach the scorer, to check. I can’t teach the checker, to score.”
The Coach………… Al Arbour
The Gm………………Bill Torrey
The Scorer…….Mike Bossy
The Checker…..No one remembers
Trade Rumor on BosHockeyNow
Bergevin and Don Sweeney even entertain a trade that would see DeBrusk head to Montreal and the Bruins reenter the first round of the draft?
If it happened which I doubt would the Bruins use the pick in another trade or keep it ….
Joe, Boston isn’t trading Debrusk to Montreal for their 25th pick in the first round. It would have to be more then that.
Depends on the reason for trading DeBrusk – if it pertains solely to freeing up cap space (in his case, how much is he going to want above and beyond the $800,000 or so just concluded and for how long). There doesn’t appear to be any other reason why they’d seek to move him except to make sure they have sufficient funds to re-sign their other RFA plus bring in a Pietrangelo.
If that is their goal, then they can’t hem and haw over making a necessary move while other teams also seeking to free up space get ahead of the game and use up all the available space on those teams that have the space. Which isn’t infinite.
Agree Caper, he get’s you more than that.
But if they’re talking, wouldn’t mind seeing Danualt come back, signed to a reasonable extension of course. Whatever add ons need to happen.
Coyle to the wing for next year.
The following year is Bergy, Danualt and Coyle as you 3C’s.
Also gives depth for when Bergy retires/moves on.
Mtl. has the 16th pick Caper, not the 25th
SCJ…. beat me to it
Scj my bad, still not doing the trade.
nevinsrip- Mike Bossy was my favourite player growing up.
My father in law told me a story about that draft as a huge Habs fan. Apparently the Rocket was scouting for MTL at the time and told the Havs GM to pick Bossy…”I haven’t seen a guy with a shot like that since me”
Upon being drafted Bossy walked up to Arbour and Torrey and said “I’m going to score 50 goals for you next year” and he did!
Sadly, the Leafs had two picks in the first round that year at 11 and 12…Bossy went 15th.
WPG will regret it for years if they trade Laine…some of the suggestions I see on here are brutal…Danault ? Domi? Even the Kotkienemi or Suzuki trades aren’t good…they have “potential” Laine is a star.
Daryl I am an original Isle STH. Mike Bossy was, and still is, the best pure shooter I have ever seen.
That’s since 1957, when I saw my first hockey game
I can’t imagine what he would have been able to do with these new sticks.
I’ve met him several times at Isles STH functions. An absolute gentleman.
Re Bolts and trading Johnson or Palat or Gourde
There is absolutely no incentive whatsoever to them waiving their rights to get moved
Threaten to send them to AHL??? That’s a lame and idle threat… Bolts need to free up millions… sending any of them to AHL nets only $308 K in space ($1.08 M buried less the minimum $700 K they have to put into for ANY replacement player… league min is $700 K)
“Sign the waiver of NTC or we’ll buy you out”…
Net Cap space freed up after buyout and replacing with League min player:
Johnson… $1.6 M
Gourde …. $1.7 M
Pallet…$1.3 M
Add to that the buyout loss to the players is recouped by signing with another team; see my morning coffee post re Sekera and Hank… buyouts have no escrow … and if they stay with Bolts… the higher Sal this year has 20% escrow that they are not getting back; escrow reduced a bit next year
Palat… two years remaining… after escrow… his gross for those two years remaining as a Bolt…total… $7.1M
Buyout.. he gets $5.8 M… no escrow
Loss $1.3 M gross… even with huge tax advantages in FLA… he could sign (after buyout) for ANY team 2 @ $900 K… and even after escrow and higher taxes… he nets more in the end. Any team would take him 2 @ $900 K
All three have established homes; are in a nice city with nice weather , on a SC champ team; in a tax haven state….
Why would they even consider waiving their NTCs?
Killorn is tradable to 14 teams w/0 his consent…. consider him a goner
Vazy and Point don’t have protection… I highly doubt they are moved
Outside of Killorn; Point ; Vazy… all other Bolts with Cap hits > $2M have trade protection
Hed and McD are 1LD and 2LD… they just might have to consider moving Serg for a prospect/picks haul
@Pengy
I would think Tampa will keep all 3 LHD. McD breaks down so moving Serg would be tough.
But McD would bring a haul and ease the books.
Obvioulsly TJ is the player makes the most sense to move if there is a way
Killorn seems inevitable & @ 31 it’s time but can’t expect a return; a package of draft picks might be best. If McDonough is willing that would open the door to a reasonable restructure, otherwise it’s the stars and rookies show. Agree as to no reason for the forwards to want to move, Sergy is a keeper.
No reason not to tread water for a while and see what happens; the Bolts have a bunch of kids that can play a little and next year opens a little. And people sometimes get hurt.
TB can call Zito down the road and see if they Take Johnson & Killorn.
This way The boys don’t have to leave the area and maintain no income tax to keep thier salary nice. Something both might do.
Just a thought.
Pengy – I think youhave to buy everyone on the site a beer. Thsi just came in:
JACK JOHNSON
D, PITTSBURGH PENGUINS
Pittsburgh has placed Jack Johnson on unconditional waivers for the purpose of a buyout.
SOURCE: Chris Johnston on Twitter
Oct 5, 2020, 12:01 PM ET
Hi Dov
Pengy’s EA here
Pengy ran out of the office screaming joyous exultations; with a bottle of Champagne in his hand … I can hear him yelling out on the street…. we’re 40 floors up
he’s asked me to order an Uber to pick someone up in Pittsburgh and drive them non stop (no expense too large he said) directly to anywhere in the continental USA that is a minimum 300 kms from the PPG Paints arena.
He’s also taking the entire firm out to lunch
Is this related to your post?
https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/penguins-place-jack-johnson-waivers-buyout/
@ Pengy….it finally happened jack Johnson bought out..steak andlobster for everybody..wohoo
Hi Pengy 100% agree. Players are not leaving Tampa voluntarily.
Hey, they earned that right and remember, it’s a business. Sometimes the shoe is on the other foot.
I think a lot depends on Killorn’s NT list. I’m quite sure that he and his agent knew exactly who could not afford to take on his contract and structured his list accordingly.
How many teams can or would take Killorn’s contract?
I would love to see his NT list.
One another note, if I’m Dubas I’m doing everything I can to bring Killorn to the Leafs. He is exactly the type player they do not have and need to win.
But as I pointed out earlier, nevinsrip – and somehow it got misplaced in the thread and so out of context – isn’t it kind of weird the way it worked out that the guys TB DON’T want to move weren’t given – or didn’t ask for? – NM/NT protection, while the ones they’d be prepared to move all have that roadblock.
George I think that you have to go back and look at the circumstances, at the time the NMC ‘s were given out.
All those players were signed to their contracts at the peak of their earning power. They had the leverage and they used it. These were top players at their primes.
Also the flat cap and Covid, in general, has factored into it. Tampa may have been able to slide through, if the Cap had risen to 85 or 85 million. That could not have been foreseen
The explosion of talent from low priced players (Sergy, Cerrili, Cernak) the Bolts has now put them in this position.
It’s really not that bad a place to be in, when you think about it.
Thanks, George.
Laine won’t go to Philly or Blue jackets unless they get provorov or werenski + in return. Probably seth Jones straight up.
If Im the Flyers I take a pass on any Laine deal that includes Provorov or Sanheim.
Leafs will sign AP unless Dubas in able to get a comparable in trade market i.e. ekblad and ellis are better options and Hamilton and Dumba lesser options.
Leafs can easily create cap space with out moving any difference makers.
You mean the difference makers that can’t get by the first round?
Bigbear,
By definition anyone on the Leafs roster is a “difference maker”.
Hence all the Stanley Cups and perennial extended playoff drives.
Wendel, looks like Dubas found you out: ““I know where that speculation started and rather than address it publicly or be hostile about it, I did it directly with Fred. He and I had many discussions the past month or so. As of this moment, I expect him to be the starting goalie for our team.”
Courage, mon ami.
As the song says Wendel, “the dream never dies just the dreamer”
You have to hype your bum until he’s dealt.
LOL. OK, I certainly get that …. now Vancouver has this wily veteran who is primed for a Striker-like “bounce-back year” and could be had for a song … Ericksson I think his name is …. mind you, we’re all still waiting for the Lucic “bounce back” year ….
Kinda weird the way it worked out that the guys they DON’T want to move weren’t given – or didn’t ask for? – NM/NT protection, while the ones they’d be prepared to move all have that roadblock.
“He thinks the Jets would want center Phillip Danault in return.”
He thinks wrong! Winnipeg doesn’t want a 27yr old C, who best season is 13 goals and will be a UFA at the end of the season.
Any package from Montreal starts with Jesperi Kotkaniemi.
The Jets don’t have to trade Laine he is under contract this season for a reasonable $6.75 and a RFA next season.
Anyone trading for Laine has him under control this season and lots of time to negotiate.
If a team wants Laine, they are going to have to pay, there is no urgency for Chevy to deal him.
I agree there may not be an urgency, with the possible exception of the potential distraction to the player and team of Laine being on the block.
Could the return be affected if Laine plays half the season in Winnipeg and is having a down year? There’s also the possibility of injury.
How does the rest of the team feel about him being on the block and what impact does that have on the room? Obviously, we can’t know the answer to that but I would think a GM needs to consider it.
I’m still with you that Chevy doesn’t need to rush it, but that strategy is not without it’s risks.
I think they would need to add too Caper.
But, I really like Danault.
He will never score at the pace of a guy like Laine.
But, you can’t line up Laine as a C game after game, start most of his shifts on the D zone, against the other teams offensive guys, and have him come out ahead more often than not.
Now Danault is no Bergeron or Toews, but the value proposition is the same and it’s high IMO.
The reason Toews is/was so valuable to Chicago or the Canadian Olympic teams is that you play him against the other teams best players, and he usually won the battle as scoring against him is really flippin hard and he sometimes gets his while he kicks your ass.
I can see why Chevvy would want him, but it needs to be for term and MTL needs to add.
If Laine wants $9M I move him, the issue, to your point, is when and for what.
Ray no matter how you slice it Danault is a 13 goal starter and 27yrs old be 28yrs old in Feb, not to mentioned a Ufa to be.
We talk about players on the wrong side of 30, so basically saying he has 3yrs of the same.
They make it sound like Danault would be the center piece, if anything we could be the add in.
No thanks.
You’re comparing Toews to Danault? Yeah!
You don’t trade proven goal scorers for a defensive centre that has topped out at 13G…EVER.
You can find a defensive centre for about $2-3M a season.
How much do you think a 22 year old, 6’5” winger who has scored 138G in 305gms is worth?
Unless MTL is offering up Suzuki AND Romanov AND the 16th pick it’s a non starter.
Daryl, try reading it again.
What do I say?
You are saying the opposite of what I said.
To quote:
“MTL would need to add.”
“Danualt is not Bergeron or Toews”
What part of that was hard to understand?
Danualt is a valuable player.
WPG needs a 2C and a top 4D.
Laine wants big $$.
There is a deal there, pieces need to be added.
You are not getting a true 1C for Laine, I would bet a paycheck on that. A 2C and a pick or prospect that might become one is a possibility. Or a decent D prospect like Romanov.
Suzuki isn’t a 2C today. Might be in a year or 2.
That control over Laines contract values the next couple of years increases the return one will get for him. Waiting until his contract year will only garner back picks and prospects.
Ray Bark— You’re right, Danault is no Bergeron or Toews. They’re #1C and Danault is a #3 at best. He plays higher up in MTL because they’re thin down the middle.
Suzuki and KK have shown flashes of promise but Laine has shown four season of proven goal scoring.
I didn’t say WPG was expecting a #1C. You are projecting Suzuki or KK as #1C because of what…a few good playoff games? Wasn’t KK demoted to Laval this season?
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again…you don’t trade a proven commodity for potential. Goal scoring is paid at a premium. If Laine asks for $9M a year it’s because goal scorers get paid. .45 goals per game over his career.
Try this package…
To WPG: Nurse, RNH, 14th overal
To EDM: Laine, Roslovic, 10th overall
WPG gets their #2C and top 4 D. EDM gets their winger to play with McDavid and a 3C
Don’t sell Danault short, Caper. He is a strong 2nd line center, and has more value than other positions as he is a center. Not many 2nd line Cs around.
I would be surprised if KK gets traded for anyone, particularly for a player with one year left and a big price tag at the end of the year. Anyone getting Laine risks him being an expensive rental.
The Habs are not one piece from being a legit Cup contender so the risk isn’t worth the reward — unless the Habs get Laine to agree to an extension as part of a trade.
As for the Jets, I think there is some urgency. They will have revenue issues like everyone else this year and they have 10 UFAs and 4 RFAs to resign this year.
The discussions are out there about Laine because they fear they can’t resign him. Moving him part way through the season drives his return down. I doubt Chevy wants to be in that situation.
though he is a good player Danault is not a centerpiece for a Laine trade return. I don’t think KK is the guy either as they may be hoping to build on the Finnish strengths going on currently. With Montreal it would have to include Suzuki.
Laine has one more RFA contract when this one expires, this is far from rental pricing and the team who gets him will have control. The Jets have deep pockets and cap space, there is no urgency – if Laine gets moved it will be for hockey reasons with a belief that they can have a better team with the return he provides.
Is it for fear of not being able to resign him after his next contract in a few years? Maybe. My belief is that there is some fire surrounding the smoke about conflict with the Jets core players (and captains) Scheifele/Wheeler/Morrissey. Chevy will roll the dice and bet that Laine doesn’t reach his projected ceiling while betting on the rest of the crew he has assembled.
Caper do you know what Laine’s qualifying offer will be? Just thinking this could enter into the equation of any potential deals
Laine to Philly for Ghost and either Patrick(depending on health updates) or Fros
Y Gourde to Montreal for 16th pick
Killorn to any team not on his ntc list
Slick62 trade rejected back to the drawing board
Caper. Which one. Lol.
Trade 4
Calgary sends Monahan to NYR for DeAngelo, Strome and 22nd pick overall
Slick62 – no to all of them (except Killorn as return not specified).
Laine for a Defenseman with no defense and a guy who can’t stay on the ice? NOPE
A 16th OA for a 5 million dollar third liner (2nd liner on Mtl. likely)…maybe Bergevin does it, but still nope.
Monahan for Strome & DeAngelo & the 22OA is a little interesting, but I think NYR walks on this. Strome and DeAngelo each had about as many points as Monahan this year (DeAngelo from the back-end). From Calgary’s perspective, it really depends on how they view Strome’s potential to maintain his scoring of this year.
SCJ. A lot of talk around Strome today, as Rangers didn’t qualify him. They have to Wednesday at 5:00 to do so, but they already gave qualifying offers to their other 3 rfa’s which is fueling conversations about why. Could be they negotiate a reasonable deal without going to arb. Either way, a lot of talk Rangers want to upgrade.
No thanks to DeAngelo, if Calgary wants a defensemen like this just try and sign Barrie. Monahan if traded needs to bring a player of equal value or with an add to get a better #1 centre
Slick, I don’t mean any disrespect but are you really serious ? Why would the Jets give one of NHL’s best snipers for a guy who’s career is pretty much over (Patrick) and a struggling defenseman ?? + Gourde is not worth the 16th pick overall… Even, let’s say if the Canadiens wanted Laine, they would probably have to give something like Danault, 16th ov and one of theire best defensive prospects (probably Norlinder). Why is it that everyone thinks they can get Laine without giving something good in return ? Jets don’t want just quantity, they want quality..
Mike Pailin. No disrespect. But if you read again, it was dependent on Patrick’s medical updates…If his migraine issues are resolved. It was also EITHER him or Frost. (I apologize for leaving last letter off of his name) it also takes into consideration cap constraints. I wouldn’t write off Ghost either.
The sabres package for Laine would likely include Reinhart, a RD (Risto or Montour), a potential 2C in Mittelstadt and a 2021 1st. Very similar package as they received from St. Louis for O’Reilly.
While the Sabres would formerly have been dumb enough to do this; they block ‘Peg’s number if this is proposed.
Reinhart, Middlestadt, and Risto, AND a 1st rounder for a top line winger? Not even comparable to what they got for ROR. They got Sobotka, Thompson, and Berglund (basically a trio of 3rd line forwards). You’re suggesting a top-6 C-RW, a top-4 D, and a guy who may still become a top-6.
Frankly if Winnipeg got offered Reinhart and Montour they should seriously consider it.
I would think a flyer deal for Laine. Would be a #1, either sanheim or Myers. Plus a contract like JVR going back.
If the purpose of dealing Laine is to free up cap space to re-sign their 4 RFAs this year – plus perhaps 1 or 2 of their UFAs – what the heck would be the point in taking back Van Riemsdyk?
As an RFA, Laine is making $6.7 mil before becoming an RFA next year. Van Riemsdyk costs $7 mil for the next 3 years, at the end of which he’ll be pushing 35.
There is no other way the flyers can take on Laine contract without sending money back.
If the jets don’t want a JVR, then there is no deal to be made.
So, IF the trade of Laine is for the purpose of freeing up cap space, it stands to reason that no cap hit of any consequence can come back.
Would Iaffalo & the #2 pick be overpayment for Laine?
Got 4 more years with Anze and Laine next to him would be POTENT and a ticket drawer to bring in revenue when fans are able to watch in person.
IHC. That’s an interesting offer. L A has a few center prospects already. Jets would probably want a dman too. LA could fit him in if they fill out roster with some of those prospects.
I suggest Iaffalo since WPG can flip Ehlers or Iaffolo and pick to grad a Dman.
🙂
Byfield who is compared to Kopitar will be tough for the Kings to pass on.
Laine may look good next to Kopitar but Byfield behind Kopitar, learning from Kopitar is quite a fit.
Heck Byfield with his size and skill set will fit nicely in the Winnipeg line up.. assuming projections are approached if not met.
No disrespect to Laine and the talent he has, but any deal that involves the 2nd OA is a deal breaker.
LA is rebuilding and Byfield has the potential to be a legit 1C, which is impossible to get other than drafting and developing. Yes they have lots of prospects at C but none of them project like Byfield.
Stay the course and keep rebuilding Blake.
Ehlers, Roslovic & Perrault for Monogan, Mangiapane
To Montreal – Laine and a 4th (2021).
To Winnipeg – Domi, Fleury, 2nd (2020), 3rd (2021).
To Vancouver: Laine
To Winnipeg: Boeser, Virtanen and Stetcher.
Unlikely.
Injury prone Boeser plus 2 rfas for Laine?
*** Leafs Sign Difference Maker ***
Toronto breaks bank to sign Jason Spezza to 1 yr $700,000.00 contract.
Kyle Dubas wisely retains integral piece of Leafs playoff juggernaut.
Dollar for dollar, the best investment the Leafs will make this year.
What’s in your wallet?
Dust.
lol
Thanks Ron Got a chuckle out of that LOL
Mark borowieki to toronto,marinc in goodbye
Hey Caper…
Caper on October 5, 2020 at 12:09 pm
The kid has arguably the best shot and quickest release in the league.
AUSTON MATTHEWS – “hold my beer”
Austin Mathews is a better player and scores goals in more ways than Laine but a better shot than Laine? That is the blue and white speaking.
Matthews has best release in league by a country mile.
Best release of his belt and pants to hang a moon?
And then get votes for the “most gentlemanly player” award …!!
Bottom Line. not going to knock Matthews great player; However his shot and release isn’t in Laine category.
I think what you meant to say was “hold my shorts.”
Pengy.
It’s happening!!!
JJ on waivers. Will be bought out!!!
I think they are buying out JJ and signing Matt Hunwick to a 4 year, $16M deal!
Joking aside, congratulations Pengy and be careful where you shoot that champagne cork!
Double minor. Congrats to all of us. I just hope his other team doesn’t sign him!
They’re apparently still trying to revive him!
Let October 5th forever be Pengy Day for at last removing JJ from his beloved team!
Didn’t think ownership would let gmjr do it. A new chapter in pens history!
This just in … Jack Johnson signs a 2 year deal with the Maple Leafs.
Ha!
Difference Maker!!!!!
Difference makers are not required to make a positive difference! Now there’s some non-linear thinking!
Feeling the love. Cheers!
How about Laine to Dallas for Klingberg and Faksa? Solves D problem, but doesn’t truly address second C for Winnipeg, but sounds like a start with Heiskenan contract coming up, will be hard for Dallas to keep both Klinger and Miro. Thoughts?
With cap space and need to help show the young kids how to play would Burns waive to slide over to DET?
Detroit can use a Weber like guy in Burns to help bring their young D like Moritz and this year Drysdale.
SJ NEEDS cap space and a 2nd this year and Biega and guy like Helm do it?
SJ trades for Donato. No Dubbyk
@ Pengy
There you go bud…the end of JJ …what are you going to rant about now ..LOL
Hopefully they bring back Fleury ..would love to see that ..and a Cup ..
Hope Dubas doesn’t get ay bright ideas and sign JJ now ..I see that coming !!! with the BS he’s been dishing out !
take care.. be well..cheers
Dubnyk now going to SJ in seperate deal
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Well, on a majors scale Pengy you finally got your wish. $1,166,667 for 3 years followed by #916,667 for 3 more.
On a minor scale I got mine with the signing of Joshua Brown for $1.2 mil for 2 years – that latter goes with what I said about the signing of their RFAs yesterday – if 3 years or more that’s an indication it’s a player they see as long-term – if 2 or less it’s a stop-gap pending the arrival of prospects like Thompson and Bernard-Docker.
God 6 years of dead cap space of about $1m. Yeah that’s good.
Now let’s see if the Leafs will sign him lolol So happy for you Pengy !
The other poster who is celebrating? Ny don’t have to complain about pengy complaining no more.
first thing I thought when I saw the news was “Pengy will be celebrating tonight!”
Jack Johnson to be bought out. There is a hockey god
TSN reporting Niskanen mulling retirement and walking away from 5.75 salary , no cap hit to Philly. Has to be some sort of under the table compensation from the Flyers.
Rotoworld is reporting that it’s a done deal and he has confirmed he is retiring. Must be nice to be able to walk away from $5.75M at 33 years old….
The question now is what does Philly do with that extra cap space? I don’t think the big name UFA defensemen make sense for them long-term.
Taylor Hall for 2 years at $6M though…
The cap space is filled by PATRICK LAINE
Does the Jack Johnson buyout make Kris LeTurnover the new Penguins scapegoat?
I bet his ears are already burning!
Matt Hunwick is UFA….just sayin’!
Sweet Jesus, my head is spinning after reading some of these Laine offers!!!
Quite comparable to a mushroom stone!!!
Call me crazy but should EMD offer
To WPG: Nurse or Larsson, RNH (provided he extends) & 2nd rd pick
To EDM: Laine
??
sound good?
WPG gets their D man and #2 C
then EMD can sign some UFA Dmen for 2 yrs to fill the void. I know Klefbom is out but that LTIR of over 5 mill plus moving Nurse frees up room to rebalance that D core that has underperformed.
That’s not too bad.
Maybe a slight addition seeing as EDM would need a C coming back.
To WPG: Nurse, RNH, 14th overall
To EDM: Laine, Roslovic, 10th overall
ihc,
Then the Oilers become the Leafs when he demands $9 mill per & have over $30 mill per for three players!!!
Uwey I only mention it bc RNH will command at least 6m anyway going forward and you already have 2 #1 centers so no need for RNH. Laine makes McDavid happy having someone he can play with besides Leon.
Good players cost money.
You want a proven goal scorer? It’s going to cost you. Offense is paid at a premium to defence.
Laine is in the top ten (7th) in goals scored in the last four seasons.
Rumour has it, Taylor’s camp is willing to take a one year contract.
With his injury history that would be a big mistake.
Sign for a reasonable amount with a “no trade list” You are guaranteed money and can move if you have a tradable AAV